[Kaschan]

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 06 May 2014 - 12:49 AM, said:

Checking in. Today was much busier than expected, and game started later, after I've had my free comp time.

Probably won't be on much tonight, but should be available tomorrow.

Remove vote

Vote Kaschan

Only because they said they'd be back.

One really ought to catch up fully before voting.

[Kaschan]

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:29 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 05 May 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

Ok, I want to be the first to say that Tholen's avatar is hilarious.

Yay! Am I reindeer or elk!

You're that crazy thing from the latest Witcher 3 screenshots.. only with tentaclses

[Korbas]

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

XY-170 | Blood-Induced Matter Transportation
Registered


PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation
Registered


UI-678 | Anti-tank Rifle Materialization
Registered


XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification
Registered


HW-702 | Possession
Registered

[Okaros]

Tholen, on 06 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 May 2014 - 11:45 AM, said:

Well, we're just starting to enter the main time period of most people's posting ability, so we don't need to give up just yet.
Day one lynch will be more random than usual, given "checking in" doesn't tell us much.

You, Aye Estos and Korabas have been the people who have contributed.

You've actually had something to say, Korabas is right IMO about day 1 giving a little information in terms of contracts, but not that much really. D'rek isn't going to give us an actual order, we just know what the first 6 or so, plus the next 3 were. I think we can assume that the last 3-4 were almost certainly town, and the other 3-5 have scum mixed in.

I read a couple posting about the order of contract but did anyone see the actual order of them, especially first? This could be possibly important information for today, so someone share this information for the rest.

We only know the first 5 contracts that were registered. It's posted somewhere upthread.

[Okaros]

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Hallucination can verify the contract holder of RIO is who they claim to be, since they probably aren't scum picking that contract so late then they're highly likely to be town. However watch out for the modkill around contracts...

Given we aren't allowed to reveal what contracts we hold, it would all just be conjecture based on where certain people vote the next day, and only work if someone mentions on thread that they've been hit by RIO so that we know that a vote on that person means the person voting is most likely the holder of the RIO contract. It's a lot of WIFOM, but I see how what you're saying is possible.

Are you being purposely dense Okaros? Hallucination: Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action.

There was a special notice on reveals put in the thread i think some point after the rest

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Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

While you are correct that you are explicitly commanded to reveal the night find results, it is not unreasonable to be a little confused between those instructions.

Gods, thank you! I'm glad someone can frikkin read.

[Korbas]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:43 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 01:26 PM, said:

Hallucination can verify the contract holder of RIO is who they claim to be, since they probably aren't scum picking that contract so late then they're highly likely to be town. However watch out for the modkill around contracts...

Given we aren't allowed to reveal what contracts we hold, it would all just be conjecture based on where certain people vote the next day, and only work if someone mentions on thread that they've been hit by RIO so that we know that a vote on that person means the person voting is most likely the holder of the RIO contract. It's a lot of WIFOM, but I see how what you're saying is possible.

Are you being purposely dense Okaros? Hallucination: Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action.

There was a special notice on reveals put in the thread i think some point after the rest

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

While you are correct that you are explicitly commanded to reveal the night find results, it is not unreasonable to be a little confused between those instructions.

Gods, thank you! I'm glad someone can frikkin read.

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

[Okaros]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

You've got that backwards, they have to admit to having the Hallucination contract BEFORE relinquishing it.

Anyway, it's besides the point, and has nothing to do with the argument I was having with Korvalain on the subject. Korvalain was implying that the person who has Hallucination could PI someone based on whatever contract someone has (at the time he was using the Rupture Internal Organs contract as his example given it's not likely that a member of scum has it given it wasn't picked up until the end of the Day 1 registration period). This would not be possible given no one is allowed to reveal what contract they hold EXCEPT the person with the Hallucination contract. Then Korvalain said that people can reveal contracts they USED to hold. But that made absolutely no sense, given Hallucination only tells the holder what contract someone currently holds. Korvalain was full of shit, and was trying to make it seem like I was being purposely dense. That was the point I was making. Korvalain's 'plan' made absolutely NO sense.

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

[Korbas]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

<snip>

I agree with Tholen on this subject. We know with as much certainty as is possible that scum are today the holders of 5 contracts. Maybe.

Clarification: we know that the scum are amongst the holders of those 5 contracts. Unless we're willing to assume more than 5 scum in which case all 5 of those are scum. The maybe is because I had a thought and PMed PS a question. Waiting on the answer to that question.

[Ay Estos]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

Yeah, lots, is this the place for them?

[Korbas]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

You've got that backwards, they have to admit to having the Hallucination contract BEFORE relinquishing it.

Anyway, it's besides the point, and has nothing to do with the argument I was having with Korvalain on the subject. Korvalain was implying that the person who has Hallucination could PI someone based on whatever contract someone has (at the time he was using the Rupture Internal Organs contract as his example given it's not likely that a member of scum has it given it wasn't picked up until the end of the Day 1 registration period). This would not be possible given no one is allowed to reveal what contract they hold EXCEPT the person with the Hallucination contract. Then Korvalain said that people can reveal contracts they USED to hold. But that made absolutely no sense, given Hallucination only tells the holder what contract someone currently holds. Korvalain was full of shit, and was trying to make it seem like I was being purposely dense. That was the point I was making. Korvalain's 'plan' made absolutely NO sense.

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

Hmm. That clears that up. Why is the sky blue?

Seriously though, I was focusing on the wrong part of your discussion with Korv. Let me re-enter that fray.

The holder of Hallucination has to divulge the successful results of their find. If that result is NOT one of the first 5 registered, then hallucination has found a town*. Further, by revealing that they hold hallucination they can claim town status themselves. (It's not in the FAQ but I asked PS if they had to relinquish once they revealed. She replied that they did not.)

*Spatial Teleportation and Possession could fuck with that result.

[Korvalain]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

You've got that backwards, they have to admit to having the Hallucination contract BEFORE relinquishing it.

Anyway, it's besides the point, and has nothing to do with the argument I was having with Korvalain on the subject. Korvalain was implying that the person who has Hallucination could PI someone based on whatever contract someone has (at the time he was using the Rupture Internal Organs contract as his example given it's not likely that a member of scum has it given it wasn't picked up until the end of the Day 1 registration period). This would not be possible given no one is allowed to reveal what contract they hold EXCEPT the person with the Hallucination contract. Then Korvalain said that people can reveal contracts they USED to hold. But that made absolutely no sense, given Hallucination only tells the holder what contract someone currently holds. Korvalain was full of shit, and was trying to make it seem like I was being purposely dense. That was the point I was making. Korvalain's 'plan' made absolutely NO sense.

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

Because Iwas forgetting the reveal details for a time - having forgotten that, two players could PI themsevles. One claims RIO, the other Hallucination. Hallucination alt verifies other alt has RIO, by proving the RIO they PI the RIO holder and by extension themself for having Hallucination in the first place. If someone else has Hallucination they pipe up calling bullshit on the pair. That was my original plan.

[Korvalain]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

You've got that backwards, they have to admit to having the Hallucination contract BEFORE relinquishing it.

Anyway, it's besides the point, and has nothing to do with the argument I was having with Korvalain on the subject. Korvalain was implying that the person who has Hallucination could PI someone based on whatever contract someone has (at the time he was using the Rupture Internal Organs contract as his example given it's not likely that a member of scum has it given it wasn't picked up until the end of the Day 1 registration period). This would not be possible given no one is allowed to reveal what contract they hold EXCEPT the person with the Hallucination contract. Then Korvalain said that people can reveal contracts they USED to hold. But that made absolutely no sense, given Hallucination only tells the holder what contract someone currently holds. Korvalain was full of shit, and was trying to make it seem like I was being purposely dense. That was the point I was making. Korvalain's 'plan' made absolutely NO sense.

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

Hmm. That clears that up. Why is the sky blue?

Seriously though, I was focusing on the wrong part of your discussion with Korv. Let me re-enter that fray.

The holder of Hallucination has to divulge the successful results of their find. If that result is NOT one of the first 5 registered, then hallucination has found a town*. Further, by revealing that they hold hallucination they can claim town status themselves. (It's not in the FAQ but I asked PS if they had to relinquish once they revealed. She replied that they did not.)

*Spatial Teleportation and Possession could fuck with that result.

I need to seriously re-read the abilities I think.

[Korbas]

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

[Korbas]

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Because Iwas forgetting the reveal details for a time - having forgotten that, two players could PI themsevles. One claims RIO, the other Hallucination. Hallucination alt verifies other alt has RIO, by proving the RIO they PI the RIO holder and by extension themself for having Hallucination in the first place. If someone else has Hallucination they pipe up calling bullshit on the pair. That was my original plan.

That could be a plan. But it's risky both to the holders of the contracts and to town in general thanks to possession and spatial. Use rupture tonight. Immediately drop a vote on the target as soon as day starts. The target who has been told they are sick, calls for a heal. Night 2, Hallucination targets the person who dropped that first vote. If it comes back as rupture, then Hallucinate and Rupture are CI.

[Venesara]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

You've got that backwards, they have to admit to having the Hallucination contract BEFORE relinquishing it.

Anyway, it's besides the point, and has nothing to do with the argument I was having with Korvalain on the subject. Korvalain was implying that the person who has Hallucination could PI someone based on whatever contract someone has (at the time he was using the Rupture Internal Organs contract as his example given it's not likely that a member of scum has it given it wasn't picked up until the end of the Day 1 registration period). This would not be possible given no one is allowed to reveal what contract they hold EXCEPT the person with the Hallucination contract. Then Korvalain said that people can reveal contracts they USED to hold. But that made absolutely no sense, given Hallucination only tells the holder what contract someone currently holds. Korvalain was full of shit, and was trying to make it seem like I was being purposely dense. That was the point I was making. Korvalain's 'plan' made absolutely NO sense.

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

Yes! Lots.

Are we going to treat day one as town hunting scum and get a lynch because time out is getting closer and we are no closer to a target for the lynch.

[Venesara]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

[Pran Chole]

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

You've got that backwards, they have to admit to having the Hallucination contract BEFORE relinquishing it.

Anyway, it's besides the point, and has nothing to do with the argument I was having with Korvalain on the subject. Korvalain was implying that the person who has Hallucination could PI someone based on whatever contract someone has (at the time he was using the Rupture Internal Organs contract as his example given it's not likely that a member of scum has it given it wasn't picked up until the end of the Day 1 registration period). This would not be possible given no one is allowed to reveal what contract they hold EXCEPT the person with the Hallucination contract. Then Korvalain said that people can reveal contracts they USED to hold. But that made absolutely no sense, given Hallucination only tells the holder what contract someone currently holds. Korvalain was full of shit, and was trying to make it seem like I was being purposely dense. That was the point I was making. Korvalain's 'plan' made absolutely NO sense.

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

Yes! Lots.

Are we going to treat day one as town hunting scum and get a lynch because time out is getting closer and we are no closer to a target for the lynch.

Anthras, on 05 May 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

This is just a checking in post.

Anthras, on 06 May 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Not really surprising that no one took Shapeshifting. That could easily be one contract that stays open all game.

Sure. This is Anthras so far, so let's get some cards on the table.

Vote Anthras

[Okaros]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Because Iwas forgetting the reveal details for a time - having forgotten that, two players could PI themsevles. One claims RIO, the other Hallucination. Hallucination alt verifies other alt has RIO, by proving the RIO they PI the RIO holder and by extension themself for having Hallucination in the first place. If someone else has Hallucination they pipe up calling bullshit on the pair. That was my original plan.

That could be a plan. But it's risky both to the holders of the contracts and to town in general thanks to possession and spatial. Use rupture tonight. Immediately drop a vote on the target as soon as day starts. The target who has been told they are sick, calls for a heal. Night 2, Hallucination targets the person who dropped that first vote. If it comes back as rupture, then Hallucinate and Rupture are CI.

See, the thing about this plan is that then Scum will know who that person is too and just kill them, thus leaving Rupture open for Scum to pick it up.

[Ay Estos]

So many things wrong with that plan I don't even know where to begin. But I will certainly try: ALL OF IT!

You swing in a period of 11 minutes from "don't be a homicidal townie with your kill ability" to "use your kill ability, make it readily apparent that you have it, inform scum of your target and force the healer to waste a night". Can you get possessed on day 1?

What if the healer is ruptured?
What if they possess the guy who owns rupture? He won't be able to vote immediately and make it known he has it, he can hide it?
It gives scum a free shot at anyone else with less chance of a heal.
It draws attention away from scum for far too long.

[Okaros]

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Because Iwas forgetting the reveal details for a time - having forgotten that, two players could PI themsevles. One claims RIO, the other Hallucination. Hallucination alt verifies other alt has RIO, by proving the RIO they PI the RIO holder and by extension themself for having Hallucination in the first place. If someone else has Hallucination they pipe up calling bullshit on the pair. That was my original plan.

That could be a plan. But it's risky both to the holders of the contracts and to town in general thanks to possession and spatial. Use rupture tonight. Immediately drop a vote on the target as soon as day starts. The target who has been told they are sick, calls for a heal. Night 2, Hallucination targets the person who dropped that first vote. If it comes back as rupture, then Hallucinate and Rupture are CI.

See, the thing about this plan is that then Scum will know who that person is too and just kill them, thus leaving Rupture open for Scum to pick it up.

I think it would make more sense that whoever has Rupture just not use it until he or she is certain of a scum.