[Hentos Ilm]

Korvalain, on 08 May 2014 - 11:08 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 10:36 AM, said:

Demelain, on 08 May 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

hmmn just read up.

look if we need a lynch sure i'll switch to hentos. still feel the anthras or ven situation needs resolving. will be here close to timeout if switch is necessary.

While I feel a vote on me is warranted with regard to the amount of time I have been able to put into the game so far, which, let's be honest, isn't much at all, I do feel it's a cheap way out. Yesterday was likely to end without a lynch, which is why, in hindsight, the Shapeshifting talent would have been a good purchase for me.

Now that I potentially have a bit more time (you should see this in the next few hours), I feel that was a waste for today and as such, a vote to remove me for not contributing is (hopefully) going to be a wasted vote as well.

Hentos, explain the underlined please. Why would changing your CF benefit anyone other than scum?

If you're town and you CF as town we play on

If you're town and you CF as scum we look to draw what we can from that. This sends us down the wrong path.

If you're scum and you CF as scum we draw what knowledge we can from that and potentially find a valid trail (or in your case probably not)

If you're scum and you CF as town we stop looking too hard at who you may be associated with because hey, you were town.

Which one of these sounds even remotely useful for town that in hindsight you would choose to go for it?


I think you slipped.

Vote Hentos

Because, good sir, as a town player who gets that contract you don't change alignment upon CF. Nowhere in the contract does it say you have to.

So, the use I saw for it, is the following: if I'd taken the contract, I'd function as cover for the potential day 1 non-lynch. That has two functions.
1: you give town some information by granting them a lynch (also potentially spoiling a NK, if scum had it on the player with this contract and no back-up plan: it's unpredictable after all where the uncast votes go).
2: you lock up the contract for the future so scum under suspicion can't pick it up to get out from under finds.

[Karatallid]

Sorrysorrysorrysorrysorry!!!!!!!!!!



Been absolutely swamped at work. Will read up quickly, but just in case, does anyone have an estimated time left/vote count?!

[Hentos Ilm]

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context,it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

[Karatallid]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:42 PM, said:

Possible strategy for day 2, everyone votes me until I am at L1 or 2. That way you know you are going to have the votes to lynch me if needed. Then we all discuss who we actually find scummy. There is no point giving people a free ride on day 2 just to lynch the guy who wasn't lynched day 2. We are going to have waaay more information today than yesterday.

What the flying fuck?

[Karatallid]

Alright, honestly not sure if I'm supposed to be modkilled already or not - I did respond to D'rek's PM earlier today to my main account but...



So I'll shut up until clarification is provided.

[Venesara]

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

[Venesara]

Karatallid, on 08 May 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Alright, honestly not sure if I'm supposed to be modkilled already or not - I did respond to D'rek's PM earlier today to my main account but...



So I'll shut up until clarification is provided.

I doubt she would modkill you now that you have showed up.

[Kaschan]

Morning all. Catching up on my way to work.

[Hentos Ilm]

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

It might not be what I am voted for, (what the fuck am I voted for apart from no content, which is what your case is?) it is still a related set up due to bad reasoning.


I'd vote you, first and foremost. People fall over themselves to PI you on day 2 after a day 1 that was lynchless, and there have been multiple weird suggestions from you as well as the odd... let's call it... wording surrounding the contract. We are two days into the game and yet you start saying already that half the town doesn't react in its interests. Who are you to judge? In the same vein, your 'suggestion' that people shouldn't pick up the new contracts. Why? Half your posts are judgments, the others are recommendations without explanations.
Your voting pattern is odd, as well: you're jumping a lot. I also don't like how Demelain is giving you blowjobs every time he reacts to you.

So yeah, I'd search there.

Otherwise, Korbas' case is shaky (and probably rightly ignored) but it's original. He does a lot to deflate it, yet Tholen wants to bring it up again. That tickles my fancy as well.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 3 hours and 38 minutes remain.

12 players are alive: Anthras, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

7 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to night.

3 votes for Hentos Ilm (Korbas, Venesara, Demelain, Korvalain)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 08 May 2014 - 01:26 PM

[Karatallid]

OK, I'm safe from modkill, so I'll put this as simply as possible;



Venesara is scummy as fuck. And the failed day one lynch is, as others have noted, a nightmare to keep around.



However, given what I suspect is only a couple of hours left on the clock (and it's my sleepy times - I'm only still up to see if my vote could make a difference), Hentos is currently the most viable lynch for the day.



Those who interpreted earlier postings of mine as "don't discuss GAME mechanics" - my apologies. I was referring to the speculation going around on thread about *role* mechanics at the time, primarily. While the broader game mechanics still don't bear too much discussion (and I felt they were pretty clear anyway?), that's different than wasting time pondering about the specifics of each role - which would be typical filler conversation were there not so many possible combinations and circumstances for us to discuss which, in the end, would only benefit scum by distracting from discussions about BEHAVIOUR, which is much more important.



So, on those notes:



Vote Hentos Ilm

[Karatallid]

Cross-post with PS. My guess on the timing was pretty much spot-on.

[Karatallid]

*and good night.

[Demelain]

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

It might not be what I am voted for, (what the fuck am I voted for apart from no content, which is what your case is?) it is still a related set up due to bad reasoning.


I'd vote you, first and foremost. People fall over themselves to PI you on day 2 after a day 1 that was lynchless, and there have been multiple weird suggestions from you as well as the odd... let's call it... wording surrounding the contract. We are two days into the game and yet you start saying already that half the town doesn't react in its interests. Who are you to judge? In the same vein, your 'suggestion' that people shouldn't pick up the new contracts. Why? Half your posts are judgments, the others are recommendations without explanations.
Your voting pattern is odd, as well: you're jumping a lot. I also don't like how Demelain is giving you blowjobs every time he reacts to you.

So yeah, I'd search there.

Otherwise, Korbas' case is shaky (and probably rightly ignored) but it's original. He does a lot to deflate it, yet Tholen wants to bring it up again. That tickles my fancy as well.

so basicly you'd vote on a missed lynch even though the reveal attached to it is, according to game mechanics, close as town can get for proof of this.

im not sure where you were when real discussion was going on but your scepticism on my opinion of ven is simplistic. Ven deserves the lynch if we can work out why no one hammered and why anthras pushed hard on a seemingly Pi player.

He is a suspect. i did not buy the slip leveled on him because it was a lil shaky. same can be said of the slip leveled at you.

im keen to lynch ven or anthras because they present opposite ends of a failed lynch. information worth mining lies on that train. i have not been unpleasant to either of them though, i dont play like a dick. im willing to listen to their take before making up my mind. stop being childish about it. some players can be civil and critical at the same time.

my vote on you on a sound basis. your absence warranted it. if you really think Ven deserves a vote instead then sure, im behind ypu digging into it but id like a more current case of his activity because day 1 slip did not convince me.

[Ryllandaras]

I don't see how Venesara can be a killer. Another scum, it is possible, yes, but Ven can't be one of the two who killed last night. No one has stepped forth to contradict their reveal of dropping the BP ability.

I'm not particularly feeling a vote for Hentos Ilm, but if it's the only thing around and now there's not going to be a modkill...I should be around till timeout.

[Venesara]

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

It might not be what I am voted for, (what the fuck am I voted for apart from no content, which is what your case is?) it is still a related set up due to bad reasoning.


I'd vote you, first and foremost. People fall over themselves to PI you on day 2 after a day 1 that was lynchless, and there have been multiple weird suggestions from you as well as the odd... let's call it... wording surrounding the contract. We are two days into the game and yet you start saying already that half the town doesn't react in its interests. Who are you to judge? In the same vein, your 'suggestion' that people shouldn't pick up the new contracts. Why? Half your posts are judgments, the others are recommendations without explanations.
Your voting pattern is odd, as well: you're jumping a lot. I also don't like how Demelain is giving you blowjobs every time he reacts to you.

So yeah, I'd search there.

Otherwise, Korbas' case is shaky (and probably rightly ignored) but it's original. He does a lot to deflate it, yet Tholen wants to bring it up again. That tickles my fancy as well.

I think it is the FACT that I relinquished a contract today mate for the sole purpose of letting you guys know which one I had. Someone else dropped one too but neither was a killing contract. So there are two people out there with a killing contract and one of them isn't me, FACT.

[Anthras]

Demelain, on 08 May 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

It might not be what I am voted for, (what the fuck am I voted for apart from no content, which is what your case is?) it is still a related set up due to bad reasoning.


I'd vote you, first and foremost. People fall over themselves to PI you on day 2 after a day 1 that was lynchless, and there have been multiple weird suggestions from you as well as the odd... let's call it... wording surrounding the contract. We are two days into the game and yet you start saying already that half the town doesn't react in its interests. Who are you to judge? In the same vein, your 'suggestion' that people shouldn't pick up the new contracts. Why? Half your posts are judgments, the others are recommendations without explanations.
Your voting pattern is odd, as well: you're jumping a lot. I also don't like how Demelain is giving you blowjobs every time he reacts to you.

So yeah, I'd search there.

Otherwise, Korbas' case is shaky (and probably rightly ignored) but it's original. He does a lot to deflate it, yet Tholen wants to bring it up again. That tickles my fancy as well.

so basicly you'd vote on a missed lynch even though the reveal attached to it is, according to game mechanics, close as town can get for proof of this.

im not sure where you were when real discussion was going on but your scepticism on my opinion of ven is simplistic. Ven deserves the lynch if we can work out why no one hammered and why anthras pushed hard on a seemingly Pi player.

He is a suspect. i did not buy the slip leveled on him because it was a lil shaky. same can be said of the slip leveled at you.

im keen to lynch ven or anthras because they present opposite ends of a failed lynch. information worth mining lies on that train. i have not been unpleasant to either of them though, i dont play like a dick. im willing to listen to their take before making up my mind. stop being childish about it. some players can be civil and critical at the same time.

my vote on you on a sound basis. your absence warranted it. if you really think Ven deserves a vote instead then sure, im behind ypu digging into it but id like a more current case of his activity because day 1 slip did not convince me.

Seemingly PIed today. He wasn't yesterday. I stand by my push for a lynch of him on day 1. The fact that you ignored that little tid bit is very suspect. Venesara acknowledged his slip. I still maintain that he should have been lynched yesterday. However in light of the dropped contract and the fact that nobody else stepped up to counter his claim I removed my vote. I have also gone over that earlier. The question is why did no one hammer him yesterday.

As for Hentos Ilm I have no read on him one way or the other. He became active and understandably defensive after a train was started on him. I am going to be on for the next several hours. So I will lay down a vote on him in order to facilitate the lynch. But the case on him is weaker then the case on Venesara or myself. I am also starting to pick up on a funny feeling about you. If I have time today I am going to go back and take a look at your and your interactions.

[Hentos Ilm]

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 12:53 PM, said:

Venesara, on 08 May 2014 - 12:23 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 08 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

If I do go down, my alignment, strategy and intentions will be very clearly town.
If I don't go down, let's not talk about that. in the mean-time, I'd like to call attention to the following, which partly set up my current lynch.

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM, said:

Hentos Ilm, on 05 May 2014 - 06:12 PM, said:

Second, and out again - this is purely a courtesy visit. I will post more in 12-14 hours when at work.

So he had time to post at work but all he gave us was this...

Hentos Ilm, on 06 May 2014 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well, disappointing amount of replies, but that makes it at the very least easy to catch up.

Regarding the taking of contracts: since there are priority lists, it seems to me as if the confirmed contracts were the top of the priority-lists. If someone at a low priority requests a contract and higher prio players haven't checked in/submitted yet, those would be on hold, I imagine.

Let's see. That first post was the second player post of the game. The second quoted post was.... drumroll.... post # 37. Page 1. When Ven themselves was voting for a player for a misspelling of their name, several of the players hadn't checked in and we were firmly in no-content-land from just about everyone.

For those who don't bother checking back, it might seem a decent 'non-content' summary. Once you do check back, see that post in the context, it becomes a cheap shot and a bit of a silly case. To provide full context, I might add that, even if in the hour after that post, conversation catches up a bit.

That is not why you are being voted for. So what are you trying to say here?

Who would you vote for?

It might not be what I am voted for, (what the fuck am I voted for apart from no content, which is what your case is?) it is still a related set up due to bad reasoning.


I'd vote you, first and foremost. People fall over themselves to PI you on day 2 after a day 1 that was lynchless, and there have been multiple weird suggestions from you as well as the odd... let's call it... wording surrounding the contract. We are two days into the game and yet you start saying already that half the town doesn't react in its interests. Who are you to judge? In the same vein, your 'suggestion' that people shouldn't pick up the new contracts. Why? Half your posts are judgments, the others are recommendations without explanations.
Your voting pattern is odd, as well: you're jumping a lot. I also don't like how Demelain is giving you blowjobs every time he reacts to you.

So yeah, I'd search there.

Otherwise, Korbas' case is shaky (and probably rightly ignored) but it's original. He does a lot to deflate it, yet Tholen wants to bring it up again. That tickles my fancy as well.

I think it is the FACT that I relinquished a contract today mate for the sole purpose of letting you guys know which one I had. Someone else dropped one too but neither was a killing contract. So there are two people out there with a killing contract and one of them isn't me, FACT.

So the fact you didn't have a killing contract makes you no scum, is that your reasoning? That's very circumstantial and can even easily be plotted in advance if there's more than 3 scum by submitting a list of contracts you want. What you are actually saying here is: "Look at me being town, I even give you free info about me!"

WTF. If you feel so incredibly town and work so hard to PI yourself, why do you then release the contract that can best protect you and cause scum the loss of a NK, hmmm?


And not to detract from your reasoning, but actually, there's 3 contracts. Anti-Tank, Rupture and Blood-Induced Matter Transportation.



But who cares anyway, I am the consensus lynch.

[Demelain]

sure thats cool.

i do admit if my hunch is wrong im gonna look funny. if ven is scum im gonna look really ba. as would you turning out town.

my main thing is last game we lost players worth keeping to poor lynch decisions. this time id like to try keep as many players we can PI in game.

i did start of saying as much. we're playing a game where players can and should be looking to pi each other. we can zone out scum early. thats all im trying to do.

players who can look into questionable players should make this easy if we work it out systematically.

[Hentos Ilm]

In order of people I'd look at for scum:

Ven, Demelain, Tholen.

Venesara is motivated primarily by what keeps him alive. His reasoning is sometimes dodgy, slip aside. He seems oddly stingy and offensive, especially considering he cannot claim special knowledge if/when he did have the BP contract yesterday. He also seems covered by Demelain.

Demelain is quite dodgy in his own right.

Tholen parroted a case that was weakened by the maker, and since disappeared (can't have much issue with that).