[Ryllandaras]

Anyways, I'm off - may not make it back for a good long while.

[Korbas]

So if the SK has possession he can win, yes? Without getting into guards etc. (Especially since no one picked up cryo.)

I propose we take possession out of the mix.


Day 6 we lynch Kara.

Night 6 no kills due to AntiTank being on cooldown.

Day 7, 4 players. 3 town and one sk. No lynch.

Night 7: One NK. AntiTank is burned out.

Dawn 8: 3 players. 2 town and one sk. It takes 2 to lynch. SK registers RIO and let's AntiTank go. Let day timeout.

Night 8: no kills. RIO is used.

Day 9: 3 players. 2 town and one sk. It takes 2 to lynch. One minute to timeout: SK votes for RIO'd target. Let day timeout.

Night 9: RIO target dies. Consume is satisfied

Dawn 10: 2 players. 1 town and one SK. SK votes night.

Night 10: RIO is used.

Day 11: 2 players. Sk votes night.

[Korbas]

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

I actually thought about that possibility, Korbas. But all town would have to do is vote night rather than let day time out on day 8 - thus actually killing the SK because they didn't get the chance to vote for their victim. It forces them to vote earlier - but if that happens then instead of voting night we just vote them.

I'm willing to bet big money that an early lynch won't kill the RIO user. It doesn't say WHEN they have to vote for their target.

[Okaros]

I am instinctually uncomfortable with just doing nothing to win a game. I'd much rather we try to flush out the SK. But I'll bow to whatever the majority of the players want to do.

Is anyone else thinking Pran may be possessed today given he hasn't said much of anything?

[Korbas]

It would be quite helpful to know who doesn't have a contract.

I am almost persuaded to follow Kara's plan. Almost.

[Okaros]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

I actually thought about that possibility, Korbas. But all town would have to do is vote night rather than let day time out on day 8 - thus actually killing the SK because they didn't get the chance to vote for their victim. It forces them to vote earlier - but if that happens then instead of voting night we just vote them.

I'm willing to bet big money that an early lynch won't kill the RIO user. It doesn't say WHEN they have to vote for their target.

Well it says "During the following Day" so if we vote to Night before he can vote for his target, then it'd be fairly safe to assume that they'd get modkilled for not fulfilling the remuneration of their contract.

[Korbas]

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 12:56 PM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

Kara, you keep implying that the SK doesn't have the possession because you have it.

If you want me to trust a single word that you say convince me that it was you who possessed me. I've already said up thread that Okaros was making a mistake in assuming that the SK had possession.

Go and re-read my posts. Some of my wording is very specific.

1. If I have Possession, nothing can prove that I Possessed you because that would get me modkilled.
2. At the end of the day, what I am suggesting on-thread is based purely on facts. Logic. Reason. There is no "trust" required in this - just a bit of maths in combination with the mechanics. My whole argument is that IF the SK were to have Possession, it is not helpful to them ANYWAY.

Your WHOLE reason for voting me, is that you think I have Possession, and therefore Possessed you the other day, right? If that isn't because Possessing you would imply I was the SK, what on earth does it warrant a vote for? Or, why are you then voting for me?

I was possessed. I would like to know whether the person who possessed me is town, scum, or sk. While they possessed me they did nothing to identify themselves. Since they could read my PMs they KNEW that I was town and not the SK. This person could CI me and themselves by convincing me who they were and their status. The fact that this person chose to not even attempt to do so while they possessed me is, to me, rather damning. My conclusion is that the person who possessed me was not innocent. Therefore I registered Inert. That left my possessor in an awkward situation. Posting as me would have to be in pictures.

You do realise, that you registered Inert BEFORE anyone had fucking talked to you, because of timezones, right?

And how exactly does one PROVE they are not the SK? Even in PM, there is almost nothing one can say if one does not agree to at least a bit of friendly cooperation.

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Then there is this:

Karatallid, on 14 May 2014 - 04:17 AM, said:

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And what exactly is it we're looking for? Someone who has, in the dearth of posting so far, changed their behaviour?

SK is as good as a late-game FM in terms of being hard to spot. We're back to square one in a lot of respects. You voted to lynch someone who was "CI". You voted without being 100% up to date on the thread. You voted on pretty flimsy reasoning and then...what. You expect everyone to ignore that?

Of course people aren't voting straight away. We want to spend time finding shit out, rather than rushing through what is a perverted version of day one, from a scum-hunting perspective. But you going all emo on-thread to complain about meta reasoning (which afaik, no-one brought up) is not a good response. It's a response that scum make when they're caught out and don't want to lose. You are acting like you're already lynched instead of playing the game. You are complaining about other people not working the thread? Where are YOUR cases, then? Don't just whine, like Korv did, that you got caught in a bad situation. Fucking do something about it. "Be the change you wish to see" or whatever.

So yeah. Moan all you like about meta and whatnot. You voted poorly. That's pretty damning. But you aren't doing yourself or anyone else any favours by doing that. In fact, you're putting nails into your own coffin.

Before you "lost access to the site" you appear to be pointing at the one person who wasn't posting. Korbas.

Talking about yourself in third person?

And what pointing? Not posting to the point of modkill is not fucking SK behaviour. My reply at that time was sarcasm. As in "it is literally the first day where the SK is in play - and almost no-one has posted - how the fuck are we supposed to find them?". As in (because I believe I was talking to Ryll at the time) "What the fuck are we supposed to be looking for when there hasn't even been a chance for a change of behaviour to be shown".

I mean, fuck. What on earth does that have to do with you?

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• The person who possessed me knows I'm inno and not the SK
• that person therefore has no reason not to divulge the contents of my PMs if they were town. None at all.

Kara, I'm actually bending over backwards here to give you the benefit of the doubt. I was possessed. If it was not by you, then you can say so. If you can't say so for fear of modkill, then you do have possession. Here's the benefit part: you claim loss of access. Ok. So I will give you a second opportunity to do what my possessor chose not to do: divulge the contents of my role PM and my response to it. In and of itself the info is possibly still important.

If you recall, you had Inert. So there was not going to be any divulging of role PMs on thread.

I'm also not sure why you're being so obtuse. I've CI'd you to the best of my ability - remember, lost access to the site = cannot read PMs EITHER.

You are CI. Yes, my CF will prove that. However, in the absence of it, why would you lynch someone who can't - for RL reasons - provide a copy of your role PM in more specific terms? Read first post. Started inno. Read last posts, not SK. Done. Proceed to converse in other PM thread. What the fuck is wrong with that?

Again, you are ignoring my earlier posts which prove to you what you want to know about whether or not I was your Possessor. You just need to do a comparison, the wording is, again, very specific.

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In short:

My possessor, in my opinion, acted scummy.
I think Kara has possession.
Kara refuses to even attempt to make me believe he's inno.

Other than handing Town the game on a plate? Oh, sure. ON WHAT BASIS DO I NOT LOOK INNO TO YOU RIGHT NOW?!

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Kara may not be the SK. But he has done nothing to try to prove that he's not the Possession contractor. In my opinion the Possession contractor acted in a very un-town way.

And seriously?? He wants us to go no lynch. Two days in a row.

Kara wants me to just trust him. But he has done nothing to indicate to me that he is trustworthy.

So yeah, my vote stays where it is for now.

Yes. No lynch. With by tomorrow at least TWO CIs on thread.

And a guaranteed loss to the SK by Remuneration-induced problems within...let's see...they got Consume last night, presumably, nothing tonight, let's assume AT the next night with Consume (unless they are guarded, then they lose), so two more nights after that they either lose or get lynched the day before due to RIO making them vote.



Seriously. Are you SURE you aren't the SK? You're taking that last sentence there I wrote above, and saying with absolutely no reason that I can see, that you don't want to do that? Why? Because you "can't trust me"? What part of that has to do with TRUST?! It's logic. If you can't argue against the logic, then what are you concerned about?

I'm not asking for us to vote night right now. Just let day time out. (Of course, a remove vote to prevent (foolish, but possible) surprise/accidental hammering would be nice.)

It's not hard. Tomorrow, if Possession has been used, you get your proof that it is in the hands of Town, no?
And we get another CI (or a possible SK - but again, no need to take the then-proven-Town-by-use-of-a-Contract Possession user's word on it - we can just leave that in case the SK can somehow avoid the AT restriction, and carry on).

I mean seriously. WHAT are you objecting to, here?

Red highlights are mine.

In the same post he claims that he couldn't talk to me. But also admits talking to me.

Dammit. In every way, as far as I'm concerned, he has acted scummy.

So if nothing else a lynch would get rid of possession.

Vote Karatallid

[Korbas]

Okaros, on 16 May 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

I actually thought about that possibility, Korbas. But all town would have to do is vote night rather than let day time out on day 8 - thus actually killing the SK because they didn't get the chance to vote for their victim. It forces them to vote earlier - but if that happens then instead of voting night we just vote them.

I'm willing to bet big money that an early lynch won't kill the RIO user. It doesn't say WHEN they have to vote for their target.

Well it says "During the following Day" so if we vote to Night before he can vote for his target, then it'd be fairly safe to assume that they'd get modkilled for not fulfilling the remuneration of their contract.

Not an assumption I'm comfortable making without more information.

[Okaros]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

Okaros, on 16 May 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 04:39 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 04:35 PM, said:

I actually thought about that possibility, Korbas. But all town would have to do is vote night rather than let day time out on day 8 - thus actually killing the SK because they didn't get the chance to vote for their victim. It forces them to vote earlier - but if that happens then instead of voting night we just vote them.

I'm willing to bet big money that an early lynch won't kill the RIO user. It doesn't say WHEN they have to vote for their target.

Well it says "During the following Day" so if we vote to Night before he can vote for his target, then it'd be fairly safe to assume that they'd get modkilled for not fulfilling the remuneration of their contract.

Not an assumption I'm comfortable making without more information.

It seems pretty black and white to me. You're just complicating your own life for nothing.

[Korbas]

@PS are you freezing after EoD?

[Path-Shaper]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

@PS are you freezing after EoD?

Yup!

[Korbas]

Monday: game unfreezes at 9:00 am. Day 7 starts.

Tuesday: 9:00 pm. Day times out. One NK due to AntiTank. Day 8 starts.

Thursday: 9:00 am. Day times out. Day 9 starts.

Friday: 9:00 pm. Day times out. Freeze begins

Monday May 29: 9:00 am. Day 10 starts.

Yeah, I don't see another week of doing nothing. I'll vote myself before that.

[Korbas]

@Pran and Ryll. I think the SK is either Kara or Okaros. I will vote either one. Preference is definitely Kara.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 6 hours and 50 minutes remaining.

5 players are alive: Karatallid, Korbas, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras

3 votes to lynch. 3 to go to night.

2 votes for Karatallid (Okaros, Korbas)

[Path-Shaper]

I'll be in-and-out of the thread throughout the afternoon/evening tonight. Can't guarantee I'll be on at timeout, but I'll resolve once I get back afterwards. After night 6, the timer will be frozen at the start of day 7 for the weekend.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 16 May 2014 - 08:22 PM

[Pran Chole]

How can SK win?

Let's say they have AT, Rupture and Poss.

Go to night tonight. No NK

Day 7 go to night. AT night kill. To get another kill within two nights, the SK will HAVE to use rupture on the same night as AT, as well as Possession to cover their tracks.

Both SK and ruptured&possessed guy vote for each other on thread and both claim to be sick.

Town votes for one of them. Game is over.

OR

Neither announces on thread until the last minute. If we go to night in that scenario, SK wins.

[Pran Chole]

Except, they cannot use rupture again the next night, because they used AT.

I don't see how the SK can win if we just let it go to night.

[Pran Chole]

If they don't use rupture on the same night as AT, they have to wait two nights. They will lose because they cannot consume.

If they use rupture and possession FIRST,

Neither announces on thread until the last minute. Nothing in the rules says they can't LIE up until that point. We go to night. They use the second installment of rupture AND AT in the same night.

It's still 3 vs 1.

Scum still loses.

[Pran Chole]

Because they can't possess two days in a row.

[Korbas]

Pran Chole said:

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Because they can't possess two days in a row.

Thank you, thank you thankyuo

Fuck me running
Spectral Contract Manipulation!!!!! Ugh js. Jt jg jg uhcdbceifirnivuevnkbtfxeChfcrvuy87(85,?7676;(<~>

God fucking dammit. We are all idiots. Gravity manipulation contract should've clued us in. That one manipulates gravity So what would a contract manipulation manipulate???
The SK can change terms of contracts. For example, I'll bet that AntiTank can be used every day. Same with possession. you sneaky bastard
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