[Okaros]

I'd really like to know if someone was hit with Rupture.

[Pran Chole]

I, for one, believe the chap, and I also have a theory as to who it is.

Irony, is thy name.

[Okaros]

 Pran Chole, on 14 May 2014 - 03:04 AM, said:

I, for one, believe the chap, and I also have a theory as to who it is.

Irony, is thy name.

You believe Ryll? Why?

[Pran Chole]

Well, perhaps it is strong to say I believe him, but I refuse to be swayed by meta.

It doesn't look good that he hammered Anthras.

[Pran Chole]

 Okaros, on 13 May 2014 - 05:54 PM, said:

So it looks like Korvalain had the Shapeshifter contract - though Drek didn't actually give us his CF, he's no longer in the player list, and he had 5 votes at end of day.

Why not? I don't understand why not. There had damn well better be a good reason.

And if it was indeed Messremb, and they were NOT lying about their name when they possessed me, then they were indeed scum.

[Pran Chole]

 Hentos Ilm, on 13 May 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

We still have 1 scum amongst the group 2 players, my guess is Karatallid.

Meaning Korv was not scum, or they both are?

[Ryllandaras]

Karatallid said:

1400032883[/url]' post='1124760']

Ryllandaras said:

1400032704[/url]' post='1124759']

Karatallid said:

1400031096[/url]' post='1124758']

Ryllandaras said:

1400016990[/url]' post='1124748']

Hentos Ilm said:

1400015771[/url]' post='1124741']
Anyway; how big is the chance that the SK has Possession? How big is the chance that Rhyll as SK would then possess the other CI?

And does Okaros' Honesty renumeration apply to the Possessor?

Deep breaths. Don't want to get violent at the airport.

The chance is zero. Because Ryll is not the the SK. Ryll had Hormonal, and has now relinquished it.

Because, as the SK, you totally would not have picked up Hormonal to present this exact scenario, amirite?

No. I would have picked up the vig and vigged your ass for being a moron.

Seeing as defending is pointless as you all think I'm the SK because META, I've read over and I think there's a case to be made on another, so see what you think of that. But that won't happen till I'm at the hotel. Just got to Dulles now.

And then of course you can lynch me anyway and when I come out not SK, you can all shrug your shoulders and say 'oh, but it was ...., what else were we to think.' It may be the long journey making me cranky, but seriously fuck you guys.

Honestly, I haven't actually paid attention to which player you are, and I have no idea why you think people are using meta.

Never mind that your pissy attitude is basically the typical "oh woe is me" temper-tantrum line that people throw out for no good reason. It doesn't help. It makes people want to lynch you more. If you're Town, it's bad play because of that. If you're scum, it's bad play because the only way to benefit from it is for people to take pity on you. This is fucking mafia, there is no pity.

And I'm pretty sure only one person has voted for you. WTF.

Save the lecture and don't patronise me.

The 'pissy attitude' is well merited when every time I come on here no one has done anything but fuck all today. You're all waiting for someone else to do something rather than working on the thread. You're lazy, and your laziness is going to see me lynched. Yes, one person has voted, and at least three others have said all but that they're going to vote for me. So, honestly, what exactly is it you're waiting for? Are you using the time to make cases? Go over the thread?


Or are you all just waiting for me to respond and absolutely nothing else. Because I don't see a whole lot else happening. Meanwhile, the SK is kicking their heels back.

[Ryllandaras]

Woe is me, is it? Screw you. This isn't woe, this is anger. Anger because one townie did a stupid thing, and I then did a stupid thing back by following them which is now caused everyone to look the wrong way.

As a town or scum, I will never lie down and take something like that willingly. I always defend myself from a lynching. And if part of the defence is to castigate your play today (or lack thereof) then that's perfectly valid on my part.

[Path-Shaper]

 Pran Chole, on 14 May 2014 - 01:27 AM, said:

 Ryllandaras, on 13 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

Deep breaths. Don't want to get violent at the airport.

The chance is zero. Because Ryll is not the the SK. Ryll had Hormonal, and has now relinquished it.

The Chicago Sun Times

Aggressive Man Arrested At Airport: Authorities State Man Was Screaming About Serial Killers and Sabotage

Not to mention something about "releasing hormones"

[Karatallid]

 Ryllandaras, on 14 May 2014 - 04:06 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on 14 May 2014 - 02:01 AM, said:

 Ryllandaras, on 14 May 2014 - 01:58 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on 14 May 2014 - 01:31 AM, said:

 Ryllandaras, on 13 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

 Hentos Ilm, on 13 May 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

Anyway; how big is the chance that the SK has Possession? How big is the chance that Rhyll as SK would then possess the other CI?

And does Okaros' Honesty renumeration apply to the Possessor?

Deep breaths. Don't want to get violent at the airport.

The chance is zero. Because Ryll is not the the SK. Ryll had Hormonal, and has now relinquished it.

Because, as the SK, you totally would not have picked up Hormonal to present this exact scenario, amirite?

No. I would have picked up the vig and vigged your ass for being a moron.

Seeing as defending is pointless as you all think I'm the SK because META, I've read over and I think there's a case to be made on another, so see what you think of that. But that won't happen till I'm at the hotel. Just got to Dulles now.

And then of course you can lynch me anyway and when I come out not SK, you can all shrug your shoulders and say 'oh, but it was ...., what else were we to think.' It may be the long journey making me cranky, but seriously fuck you guys.

Honestly, I haven't actually paid attention to which player you are, and I have no idea why you think people are using meta.

Never mind that your pissy attitude is basically the typical "oh woe is me" temper-tantrum line that people throw out for no good reason. It doesn't help. It makes people want to lynch you more. If you're Town, it's bad play because of that. If you're scum, it's bad play because the only way to benefit from it is for people to take pity on you. This is fucking mafia, there is no pity.

And I'm pretty sure only one person has voted for you. WTF.

Save the lecture and don't patronise me.

The 'pissy attitude' is well merited when every time I come on here no one has done anything but fuck all today. You're all waiting for someone else to do something rather than working on the thread. You're lazy, and your laziness is going to see me lynched. Yes, one person has voted, and at least three others have said all but that they're going to vote for me. So, honestly, what exactly is it you're waiting for? Are you using the time to make cases? Go over the thread?


Or are you all just waiting for me to respond and absolutely nothing else. Because I don't see a whole lot else happening. Meanwhile, the SK is kicking their heels back.

And what exactly is it we're looking for? Someone who has, in the dearth of posting so far, changed their behaviour?

SK is as good as a late-game FM in terms of being hard to spot. We're back to square one in a lot of respects. You voted to lynch someone who was "CI". You voted without being 100% up to date on the thread. You voted on pretty flimsy reasoning and then...what. You expect everyone to ignore that?

Of course people aren't voting straight away. We want to spend time finding shit out, rather than rushing through what is a perverted version of day one, from a scum-hunting perspective. But you going all emo on-thread to complain about meta reasoning (which afaik, no-one brought up) is not a good response. It's a response that scum make when they're caught out and don't want to lose. You are acting like you're already lynched instead of playing the game. You are complaining about other people not working the thread? Where are YOUR cases, then? Don't just whine, like Korv did, that you got caught in a bad situation. Fucking do something about it. "Be the change you wish to see" or whatever.

So yeah. Moan all you like about meta and whatnot. You voted poorly. That's pretty damning. But you aren't doing yourself or anyone else any favours by doing that. In fact, you're putting nails into your own coffin.

[Karatallid]

 Ryllandaras, on 14 May 2014 - 04:12 AM, said:

Woe is me, is it? Screw you. This isn't woe, this is anger. Anger because one townie did a stupid thing, and I then did a stupid thing back by following them which is now caused everyone to look the wrong way.

As a town or scum, I will never lie down and take something like that willingly. I always defend myself from a lynching. And if part of the defence is to castigate your play today (or lack thereof) then that's perfectly valid on my part.

You're not defending, you're moaning. You're whining. You're playing like there's some sort of foregone conclusion after ONE FUCKING VOTE.

Defend yourself, if that's what you say you're doing. But right now, you're just playing the emo cry-baby card. You're not even "castigating" anyone's play - you're just throwing baseless accusations of meta reasoning around.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 25 hours and 23 minutes remaining. 7 hours and 23 minutes left to register.

6 players are alive: Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Korbas, Pran Chole, Okaros, Ryllandaras

4 votes to lynch. 3 to go to night.

1 vote for Ryllandaras (Hentos Ilm)

[Ryllandaras]

 Karatallid, on 14 May 2014 - 04:17 AM, said:

And what exactly is it we're looking for? Someone who has, in the dearth of posting so far, changed their behaviour?

So you acknowledge that you and everyone else not posting anything today is a hindrance to proceedings? Excellent, acceptance is the first step.

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SK is as good as a late-game FM in terms of being hard to spot. We're back to square one in a lot of respects. You voted to lynch someone who was "CI". You voted without being 100% up to date on the thread. You voted on pretty flimsy reasoning and then...what. You expect everyone to ignore that?

No, I do not expect everyone to ignore it. But I also don't expect everyone to ignore that I wasn't the first to vote Anthras - the fact that Okaros can't be SK is beside the point on that matter. Fact was, with his insistence on the innocence of Korvalain, sounding like he KNEW something (look at my posts back then, I basically spell it out), it seemed like the right play.

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Of course people aren't voting straight away. We want to spend time finding shit out, rather than rushing through what is a perverted version of day one, from a scum-hunting perspective. But you going all emo on-thread to complain about meta reasoning (which afaik, no-one brought up) is not a good response. It's a response that scum make when they're caught out and don't want to lose. You are acting like you're already lynched instead of playing the game. You are complaining about other people not working the thread? Where are YOUR cases, then? Don't just whine, like Korv did, that you got caught in a bad situation. Fucking do something about it. "Be the change you wish to see" or whatever.

Oh, I'm sorry, you're "finding shit out" are you? Well, please, go right ahead. Bang up job so far on that front. You've really achieved so much already today. As for me, did I not post this?

 Ryllandaras, on 14 May 2014 - 01:58 AM, said:

I've read over and I think there's a case to be made on another, so see what you think of that. But that won't happen till I'm at the hotel. Just got to Dulles now.

Which is exactly what I'm writing up now. So just let me carry on with that. It's exactly what I want to be doing after a 5-hour delayed flight, a 300 mile journey, and then an hour on the train.

This post has been edited by Ryllandaras: 14 May 2014 - 04:34 AM

[Ryllandaras]

So, out of the remaining players, the likeliest people to have SCM are: Korbas, Pran Chole, Karatallid, and, yes, myself. Me for reasons already gone over, the other three because they are all known to have dropped contracts when the SCM came out.

So to cut to the chase, I think it's Korbas. And here's why I've been "whining" and saying I feel like I've been set up.

 Korbas, on 12 May 2014 - 06:38 AM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 12 May 2014 - 05:22 AM, said:

It is Day 4. The timer is unfrozen. 36 hours remaining. 18 hours of registration remaining.

A sudden force field has appeared, bisecting the city in two. On one side are Anthras, Ryllandaras and Okaros. On another side are Korbas, Korvalain, Karatallid, Hentos Ilm and Pran Chole.

You may only vote for players on your side. You may only use NAs on players on your side. This force field will last throughout all of day 4, night 4, day 5 and night 5. If the contractor who created the force field dies during that time, the field ceases to exist immediately.



8 players are alive:
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Anthras, Okaros, Ryllandaras

2 votes to lynch. 2 votes to go to night.

No one has voted.
---

---
Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Korbas, Korvalain, Pran Chole

3 votes to lynch. 3 votes to go to night.

1 vote for Karatallid (Korbas).
---

That might not have been the wisest choice for split. Seeing as how somebody *cough* *ryll* *cough* has already admitted to considering taking SCM.

Bolded part. Meta. And set up.

 Korbas, on 12 May 2014 - 06:54 PM, said:

Hmmm. I think I can prove that that's wrong. But quit giving Ryll incentive dammit.

This was a reply to Anthras talking about how the SCM would screw with the game. Again, Meta. Again, keeps me in mind as suspicious by talking about it in this fashion.

 Korbas, on 13 May 2014 - 04:20 PM, said:

 Hentos Ilm, on 13 May 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

That, or Ryll decided for shit and giggles to pick up the SK contract and voted Anthras to not get lynched by Shapeshifter - we'll see about that when we reach time-out and our three votes don't lead to a lynch on someone on our side.

Well, quick thought is that of the three townie egos most likely to go for SCM at this point, two of them just voted off a CI.

Again, meta. Hentos also here indirectly raises a good point - the only reason anyone has come up with as to WHY I would take that contract is for "shits and giggles". Because from the position I started in when the SCM contract was taken, it would be basically impossible to win the game. That would be obvious. So why would I take it? Answer is, I wouldn't.


Now we move on to a different strand. Let's see what Korbas has been focused on today.

 Korbas, on 13 May 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

Whoever has SCM has to be planning on WIFOM to win the day. The only sure single night kill is now a one shot time and is open regardless.

I think that AntiTank should remain open tomorrow. A townie grabbing it will just add to the WIFOM.

Wants players to NOT choose to register for Anti-Tank.

 Korbas, on 13 May 2014 - 05:09 PM, said:

 Korvalain, on 13 May 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 13 May 2014 - 04:47 PM, said:

Whoever has SCM has to be planning on WIFOM to win the day. The only sure single night kill is now a one shot time and is open regardless.

I think that AntiTank should remain open tomorrow. A townie grabbing it will just add to the WIFOM.

They probably thought me a good bet for picking as someone who is going to die too. Alas, it has to be a NK for SCM. So, whoever gets hit tomorrow by RIO, lynch them or that'll be SCM surviving. So pick up that Anti-tank

Registration period is 18 hours. We have a lot of time to discuss that once Day 5 starts.

Town still holds all the cards here. We have the lynch and we have the numbers. We don't need AntiTank.

Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Korbas, Korvalain, Pran Chole on this side.

Ryll and Okaros on that side.



WCS and Shapeshifter is town on this side and will be auto lynched in a few minutes still leaves us in majority tomorrow.

6 alive at dawn day 5. 4 votes needed.

1 scum. 1 SK.

4 town with 1 having been hit with RIO.

Bolded part. Again emphasises that town shouldn't go for Anti-Tank. Why? Because it increases the chances of Korbas being able to grab it when they drop a contract.


I'm going to theorise now - as no one has yet come forward - that RIO was not used. Which is why Korbas NEEDS anti-tank. He needs to kill someone TONIGHT or he himself dies. Why was RIO not used? Either a townie holds it and not the SK, or the SK withheld knowing that it was basically pointless - we'd just lynch the person who came forward so that the SK dies from not killing them. Plus, of course, it creates confusion and accusations as to why it wasn't used.



So,


Vote Korbas



For intimating for a while now that I'd be the one to grab SCM - thus through meta reasoning constantly keeping me at the forefront - while today urging town not to go for the Anti-Tank, so that they can pick it up themselves, as far as I can see. I also note that Korbas has been unusually quiet today - waiting for you guys to do the dirty work.


And that's it from me. Have fun.

[Hentos Ilm]

 Pran Chole, on 14 May 2014 - 03:23 AM, said:

 Hentos Ilm, on 13 May 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

We still have 1 scum amongst the group 2 players, my guess is Karatallid.

Meaning Korv was not scum, or they both are?

I was a bit drunk when I wrote that.
I believe Korv was the last scum and the SK, as he suggested, was a townie.

the scenario for SK I was considering, is SK plus RIO plus Possession and in a scenario where Anthras died, today would have been D-Day.

the tactic would have been:
SK last night Consumes CI. Then possesses CI. SK RIO's CI to hide RIO's message coming out.
We lynch (go down to 5). SKs CI target dies (4 left on thread). SK possesses and RIOs another player. SK and Possessed vote night. RIO'd player dies. SK consumes, rinses and repeats.

For that strategy to work, Anthras needed to die. Okaros facilitated that, Ryll took the opportunity.

I am also distinctly non-plussed by all the fucking whining he gives us. If we 'did' nothing, why did he spend the whole of fucking yesterday spamming the thread to keep Anthras busy replying?

Not to mention that I DO believe Korv was scum. And he had no contribution to that. Just to lynching a townie for a very bad reason.

[Hentos Ilm]

Okay. Mh theory above is invalidated by hormonal. I guess we can try out the theory Ryll has.

remove vote
vote Korbas

[Hentos Ilm]

But... thr Korbas case you made (has to get AT) can also be made for you if you didn't use RIO, but had Hormonal plus Possession.

remove vote

[Hentos Ilm]

Argh.

and the fact that you are Cryo'd is also a great alibi. "Can't be me, guarded for three days and nights".
Okaros says that besides Cryo-ing you, he'd also vote you. Why? That's overkill and I am sure he knows.

[Hentos Ilm]

 Ryllandaras, on 13 May 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

Okaros said:

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Ryllandaras said:

1400006197[/url]' post='1124691']
I got hit with being frozen by a jackass (Okaros). Either that or someone afraid I would target them with an ability.

I'm sorry about the Anthras lynch, I was rushing to the airport and decided to go along with what I thought were Okaros' suspicions. Now I'm at the airport but the flight is delayed two hours, and I see that Okaros tried to remove his vote. Well. Now I'm wondering if I was set up.

It was originally a set up to see if you'd lynch Anthras, suspecting you might have given in to temptation and taken the SK contract. I figured the SK would have no qualms with voting out Anthras and moving the two groups back together so as to be able to do more damage all around. The fact that you lynched Anthras makes me very suspicious of you.

I will likely vote your way, but I'd like to hear more from the thread today first. If you've been frozen, and you were the SK, then no one should have been hit with Rupture. If someone has been hit with Rupture, then chances are you aren't the SK. This is all depends, of course, on the assumption that Rupture was picked up by the SK, which I believe it has.

Unless of course YOU are the SK and you picked up Cryo and RIO. You set me up to lynch Anthras. When you started going on about how Korv is inno (now highly doubtful) I folllowed you because I thought noble Okaros wouldn't try and screw us over.

I just asked D'rek to relinquish my contract, so you're about to see what I was going to 'target' you with. Scummy jackass.
I'm just angry at myself now really.

Cryo and Rio.... y'know, Cryo is an honesty policy. The question "Okaros, are you scum?" asked so often he wcouldn't ignore it, would have given us the answer.

[Hentos Ilm]

Okay.
My summary of the situation is as follows:

Korbas has a good case going against him, courtesy of Ryllandaras.
Ryllandaras has the better starting position for the SK (as CI, grouped with CI) an alibi (for better or worse) in being Cryo'd and has the STUPID lynch of Anthras going against him. He also makes a case on Korbas, then doesn't vote for it... which is strange.

Registered:
Rupture
Possession
Cryo
Chrono
SK

Meh. Look at that.

I'd say the best damage control is to lynch either Korbas or Ryll. If Ryll lives, I'd definitely like to see a Gravity thrown towards Ryllandaros, to check if the Cryokinesis isn't just pretty cover story.