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Spoilers for Mafia 111 - ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATAT WAAAHTHA!!!!!!

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:46 AM

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:49 AM

Role PMs
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Raoh –
You pursue power with avarice, a once pure soul who has been corrupted by the pursuit to become the King of Fists. You have amassed an army to conquer the wasteland, but your younger brother Kenshiro stands in your way.

Bullet Proof - You are nearly invincible and very hard to find when you do not wish to be. As such, your multiple protection BP will remain intact until another “warlord” has been lynched or killed. This BP becomes null after this happens, even if it has not been struck up until that point.

Sacrifice Lynch Proof – Your loyal and remarkably intelligent horse will save you from a lynching if need be. However, the horse will die in your place. (Meaning for gameplay = one of your direct minions will die in your stead if you are lynched. If you have no minions left, this can no longer be used.)

Hokuto Gōshō Ha (北斗剛掌波 Iron Palm Wave) – You have a one-time Vig, but this can only be used AFTER your BP has become null.



Souther –
You are the sole successor of the Nanto Hōō Ken (南斗鳳凰拳?, "South Dipper Phoenix Fist). You have established yourself as “Holy Emperor” and are one of the 3 warlords opposing Kenshiro.

NOTE: You may only have ONE of these abilities active at one time.

Dextrocardia Situs Inversus Totalis (your heart and subsequently your pressure points) are all on the opposite side of your body – By "allowing" Kenshiro to strike you normally, he will fail to harm you. This is a one-time bullet proof from kill attempts. Once you activate this, it is good for two nights and then expires.

Nanto Juuji Hou – Your ultimate attack stance. If another king has not been killed, once activated it is good for two nights. If another warlord is dead, once activated it is good for only one night.
If Kenshiro attempts to kill you while this is activated, you will die, but so will Kenshiro.



Shin –
You are the successor of Nanto Koshū Ken one of the martial art styles within the Nanto Rokusei Ken. You are one of the 3 warlords opposing Kenshiro.
You secretly desired Kenshiro's fiancée, Yuria, ever since you first met. After the nuclear war and the death of Master Ryuken, Jagi convinced you into confronting Kenshiro and taking Yuria for yourself. After attacking Kenshiro with Nanto Gokuto Ken you engraved seven scars in the shape of the Big Dipper on his chest as a reminder of his defeat and left him to die in the wasteland.

Needless to say, he’s a bit cross with you.

Currently you have taken on the name of KING of the former Kanto area and built Yuria the city of Southern Cross to win her affection.


You have often listened to and taken advice from Jagi, the one time “brother” of Kenshiro. You have maintained that connection with him and may communicate freely.
(Lover connection). Jagi is . You may start an off thread communication with them. Please remember to CC Path-Shaper.

As per the reveal rules, you may not reveal your identity, but you may reveal the lover connection if you wish.

Jagi –
The second youngest of the four Hokuto brothers, you were looked down on by the others for your alleged dirty tactics. You have nothing but contempt for Kenshiro, your younger adoptive brother.
Having been defeated by Kenshiro once, you have enlisted Shin of the Nanto Seiken, manipulating him into defeating Kenshiro and kidnapping his fiancée, Yuria. Since that time, you have maintained communication with Shin and together have kept watch for Kenshiro’s predicted return.
(Lover connection) . Shin is . You may start an off thread communication with them. Please remember to CC Path-Shaper.

As per the reveal rules, you may not reveal your identity, but you may reveal the lover connection if you wish.

Toki –
(Symp)
The second of the four Hokuto brothers, you are a pacifist who seeks to use Hokuto Shinken as a healing art. You support Kenshiro and will help him in any way that you can in his quest through non-violent means.
Kenshiro is . He does not know who you are, however.
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Guard – The target of your choice will not be able to execute night actions.



Kenshiro –

You are the 64th successor of the Hokuto Shinken style and considered one of the greatest successors in its 1800 year history. Motivated by revenge against Shin and to alleviate the suffering of innocents caused by the 3 Kings, you seek to use your great power to bring low those who harm others in the pursuit of power.

You are a perfect killer, and your fighting spirit is powerful beyond compare. You are stronger than almost any man alive, and those who have proven your equal often leave you for dead only to witness you rising from the ashes to turn their supposed victory into defeat.

Night action – All of your enemies are already dead, it’s just your job to make them realize it. Choose a target, and they die!

Passive – If you are killed, your fighting spirit will rise from the ashes to continue the fight. Your fighting spirit is . You do NOT have off thread comms, but they also know who you are. If you die, they will take over your kill action.

In the event that your fighting spirit is killed, they will CF as Kenshiro, but you will continue on as you are.




Kenshiro’s Fighting Spirit – (Inactive Kenshiro)


You are the Fighting Spirit of the 64th successor of the Hokuto Shinken style, considered one of the greatest successors in its 1800 year history. You burn with motivation for revenge against Shin and to alleviate the suffering of innocents caused by the 3 Kings. You seek to use your great power to bring low those who harm others in the pursuit of power.

You are a perfect killer. You are stronger than almost any man alive, and those who have proven your equal often leave you for dead only to witness you rising from the ashes to turn their supposed victory into defeat. (You are the man who rises from the ashes)

Night action – you have no night action as of yet. If the current Kenshiro is killed, you will take his place and gain his kill action.

The current Kenshiro is . You do NOT have off thread comms, but he also knows who you are.




You are a total asshole. You are buff, violent, and incredibly stupid. Yet you are the top of the food chain in the post apocalypse world. Only one man in your mind is tougher than you, . You are his foot soldier of the apocalypse.

You are RI.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:58 AM

Passwords

Pathshaper: murdershewrote

SH: bleedinghearts

Rikkter = poopdeck
Monok Ochem = melty
Galayn Lord = pinky
Bek Okhan = dunderhead
Korabas = moist
Tiamatha = guilty
Okral Lom = smelter
Alkend = dinkle
Ampelas = dither
Eloth = minstrel
Lock = beastly
Kessobahn = temper
Denul = cram
Shadow – chimney
Serc – kelp
Ruse – ramble

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:11 PM

Rikkter = RI HiddenOne
Monok Ochem = RI Gust Hubb
Galayn Lord = Kenshiro's Spirit Dolmen Weeks
Bek Okhan = RI Starling
Korabas = Souther Trull's son
Tiamatha = Toki Mac
Okral Lom = RI Sir Thursday
Alkend = RI Tatts
Ampelas = RI Messremb
Eloth = Kenshiro ansible
Lock = Jagi Khell
Kessobahn = Raoh Gnaw
Denul = Shin D'rek
Shadow – RI Venge
Serc – RI Mentalist
Ruse – RI Blend

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:00 AM

Game specific rules:

REVEALS OF IDENTITY ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Reveals of abilities, real or fake, are allowed.

Because everyone in the Hokuto world is bulging with self-confidence, Self-voting is not allowed, even "to get a lynch".

Days are 32 hours, nights are instant. (Martial artists must be immediately decisive) :sofa:

Victory Conditions

Town: Eliminate Kenshiro

Scum: Achieve majority OR Kenshiro kills the 3 warlords. If a warlord is lynched, it does not count toward this VC, which becomes null.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:23 AM

Game note:

In the unlikely event of a water landing

where Raoh uses his Vig on Souther with Nanto Juuji Hou activated, both will die, but this will nullify Kenshiro's "kill the 3 warlords" VC.

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 02:02 PM

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Night 1
Eloth

Kill Monok Ochem (Gust Hubb)

Tiam

Guard Alkend

Korabas

Invoke Nantou Juuji Hou

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 03:49 PM

Souther/Trull's Son plots early strategy.

Korabas, on 13 April 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

Well seeing as I died in the first days of the last couple games, I'm almost definitely going to use up those death bubbles early game. Hopefully the less paranoid kings will think a tad more strategically. I won't set anything in stone, but if I play on the fence as a safe first night kill I can pop the attack stance and hopefully get lucky.



And Toki/Mac is confused easily.

Tiamatha, on 13 April 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

I'm just confused by the whole fucking thing, the intrk reads like 3 factions and a lone ranger. Who are the minority meat scum and who are the majority potato town?

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Posted 13 April 2014 - 10:37 PM

Gnaw/Raoh

I'd be happy if I was Raoh, too.

Kessobahn, on 13 April 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 13 April 2014 - 08:30 AM, said:

Raoh –
You pursue power with avarice, a once pure soul who has been corrupted by the pursuit to become the King of Fists. You have amassed an army to conquer the wasteland, but your younger brother Kenshiro stands in your way.

:)


Bullet Proof - You are nearly invincible and very hard to find when you do not wish to be. As such, your multiple protection BP will remain intact until another "warlord" has been lynched or killed. This BP becomes null after this happens, even if it has not been struck up until that point.

Does hard to find mean I am Finder proof as well?

Sacrifice Lynch Proof – Your loyal and remarkably intelligent horse will save you from a lynching if need be. However, the horse will die in your place. (Meaning for gameplay = one of your direct minions will die in your stead if you are lynched. If you have no minions left, this can no longer be used.)


He can't be too intelligent if he's hanging around me.

Do I get to know how many minions I have? I won't bother asking if I get their identities. :sofa:

Does the thread get to see the minion die?


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7 votes to lynch

7 votes for Kessobahn (1, 2,3,4,5,6,7)

Alt is dead. He was X, a minion of Raoh, RI, and Khell (if there's any justice in this world :p )


Hokuto Gōshō Ha (北斗剛掌波 Iron Palm Wave) – You have a one-time Vig, but this can only be used AFTER your BP has become null.

Can I put a provisional in for this? "If the lynchee is a warlord vig Y"


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:28 AM

Sir Thursday is back, and planning his strategy to catch Kenshiro.

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

Ah yes, I saw what went down in 110. It...wasn't pretty, from a town point of view. Hopefully this game we can change that!

I have a couple of things I plan to do in this game:

- Let a reasonable amount of material build up before starting to throw out accusations. I often find if you pick up on something on page one and attack it immediately you don't get anything juicy to analyse, whereas if you wait until page three or so there's a lot more to work with.
- Pay attention to the post counts at the end of Day 1. There's usually a scum hovering around the bottom of the top third of posters at that point (or at least, there always used to be). They have to channel their adrenaline at getting a scum role without getting involved in the Day 1 baseless-accusation fest, after all.

ST





Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

Good stuff. My manager is off work this week so I should be able to find plenty of time to post :sofa:.

One other thing I'm thinking of doing is trying to directly question players about their opinions. (Eg. rather than just saying "What do you think?" saying "What do you think about players X,Y and Z?" ). I'll probably get heat for doing something strange and different, but it seems like the sort of thing town really need to do. Last game too many players were able to coast along without ever giving real opinions. Plus there's a certain class of scum player who finds it difficult to lay down a concrete accusation because deep down they know that everyone else is innocent, maybe I can catch someone out that way.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 01:53 PM

Tiamatha, on 14 April 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:

I just wanted to mispell break so I could set up some of the crazy post checkers to find a signal to alk :sofa:

for Easter I should be fine, maybe a bit low posting here and there but nothing out of the ordinary


Tiam's got it figured out, finally, and paying attention to detail.
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Posted 14 April 2014 - 03:36 PM

I thought it clumsy but I KNOW he's scum. ST is sharp.

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 03:16 PM, said:

Right, so I've tried to interact with everyone who has posted so far, just to get a feel for what they're about. No obvious leads apart from Tiamatha forcing the interaction a bit to try to fit in, but it's early yet. I'm hoping someone else will try to put up a case about that once things get serious (don't really want to have to do it myself given the signalling accusation he's thrown my way).

(By the way, would you prefer me to put my thoughts in a separate thread?)

ST



Eloth, on 14 April 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

omgggg I return from a long weekend out of town only to be...SCUM?! WITH T3H KILLZ?!

Man. I haven't had to go solo scum in so long. I am probably going to fuck this up. Need moar practice. D:

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:06 PM

I like this thinking.

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 10:11 PM, said:

Right, I think we needed to get some votes moving. There's been enough material dropped down for people to start making connections, should they care to. I felt like the thread needed an initial impetus to get people to start thinking, so I thought I'd put in a (pretty fluffy) case and see what falls out.

Possibly I'm trying to do too much here - town should be moving things along as a group and I shouldn't be working so hard to try to shape things (there's always a chance of backlash if people feel like I'm leading them by the nose). It just feels like I have to if nobody else is going to take charge.

ST


Kenshiro Ansible has set a kill list

Eloth, on 14 April 2014 - 03:39 PM, said:

Ok, provisionals...let's make a list, cause scum make lists.

Just to start off, an order of targets -

Provisional Kills:


Monok Ochem
Tiamatha His symp night 2? Mac better get a signal through!
Rikkter
Okral Lom
Alkend
Ampelas
Bek Okhan
Denul
Kessobahn
Korabas
Lock
Ruse
Serc
Shadow



And Korabas has decided to activate Nanto Juuji Hou right off the bat. Personally, I would hope I could beat the odds early in the game with such a huge crowd, so this seems early, but apparently he's been killed early often recently.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:09 PM

Lovers convo

D'rek as a lover is a good thing for town, but I wish that it had turned out to be Blend and Khell. :)

Denul, on 14 April 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

Hiya Lock/Jagi! Looks like we are pretty evil together! Though wikipedia says I was a good person until you corrupted me :sofa:

I've done a bit of reading about the manga/anime, and I don't see any reason to suspect roles that listen in on communications exist, so I don't think it is worth worrying about. So if your role PM didn't already say I am Shin (the character, not the mod) and we are lovers.

I haven't read up yet, but from reading the OP when mod-shin posted it on Saturday I think we are town, yes? So it might be useful for us to do a partner code, subtly.

How about, at some point on Day 1 I will make it so a series of 4 posts-in-a-row of mine (with other players' posts in between) where the first letter of the second sentence of each post are F-I-W-E (LOCK, shifted up 6 letters in the alphabet). And at some point on day 1 you do 5 consecutive posts where the second sentence of each post starts with some shifting of D-E-N-U-L. Should be far too subtle for anyone to be able to find, even if they are looking, but also easy for us to point out later on and not something that could've happened by mistake. Sound good?

Btw this is D'rek.


Lock, on 14 April 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

Hey Denul/Shin/D'rek, it's Khell here :p
Yep, my role PM told me about you, sorry for all the corrupting, apparently I'm deviously scummy. Looks like town as a whole is the 'scummy' one here, a nice little reversal.

When I was lovers a couple of games ago with Mess, he hit upon a coding system which i thought was pretty cool - changing the numbers in the quote tags in a post to spell out names (eg Lock would be 12150311). We just memorise which posts we each did it in, and then if we have to reveal we just tell them to hit reply on those particular posts and look at the numbers in the quote tags.

But obvs we can do it your confounding way too :gando:


Lock, on 14 April 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

Oh, and I have no other abilities aside from this lover connection. What about you?

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 11:52 PM

Sir Thursday is off on Tiam, but has Eloth on his radar.

Okral Lom, on 14 April 2014 - 11:43 PM, said:

Of the active players, my impressions (since I don't want to be cluttering up the thread any more than I already am right now):

- Rikkter: seems like an experienced player. Has a healthy suspicion of me (I think) and is probably right now sending PMs to you about how he thinks I'm a symp :sofa:. Not got a great read on him either way yet though.
- Shadow: very gently poked Tiamatha early on, but otherwise has refused to engage beyond RP. I'm a bit suspicious of him, especially if he comes back and drops a vote without much reasoning beyond "We need a lynch, so..."
- Tiamatha: has been trying to make things happen, so for that reason alone I'm inclined to treat him as a likely inno. I appreciate his efforts!
- Bek Okhan: Yay! Someone willing to engage their brain, even if it is to disagree with me :).
- Serc: Probably an RI fishing. Might have caught something too with what Denul posted.
- Denul: That thing about a town vig sticks out like a sore thumb. Possibly a symp trying to fake a role (scum with a one shot vig?) Suspicious.
- Alkend: Willing to call attention to Serc's early post. Not willing to carry through with it like Tiamatha was. Therefore more suspicious than Tiam. Also, he was joking around trying to fake signal me at the beginning...
- Eloth: Spam only. Want to see more before I'm sure he's shirking giving an opinion.

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 11:47 AM

Thoughts from Tatts.

Alkend, on 15 April 2014 - 10:43 AM, said:

It does look to be an active thread. I don't see the Denul vote, so maybe he is scum. If I was to lynch someone it would be Serc but that is based off his first posts and lack of a reaction to pressure.

I don't like some players because they seem to be clouding the thread.

I like Khell's role playing. I assume he is Monok.



Lock/Khell points out truth, but they gotta get on that coding if they hope to help town.

Lock, on 15 April 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

Heh, look at it this way - if you're lynched, it will at least get rid of one of Kenshiro's VCs. :sofa:

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:20 PM

Sir Thursday - where does he get the time! :)

Okral Lom, on 15 April 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

Right, I'm building a timeline here. Not sure what conclusions I'll take from it yet but I thought you might like to see it :sofa:.

Tiamatha pokes Rikkter (annoyed response)
Tiamatha + Alkend attack Serc (dismissive/nonchalant response)
+-> GL weakly agrees
+-> OL disagrees (weakly) -> Korabas is neither here nor there
GL + Rikkter agree with Denul Role Spec
OL attacks Korabas (no immediate response, eventual "You're reading too much into it" response)
+-> immediate query from BO + discussion
+-> MO chimes in saying case is too aggressive (unexpected defence)
+-> Also calls out Tiamatha for aggression.
+-> BO dislikes MO's posting style, Eloth agrees
+-> Eloth agrees with OL, but queries overall target suggests Serc being symped/deflected.
+-> MO strongly defends (in concert with Eloth), drags back to Serc.
MO makes case on Denul with help from Korabas, but no vote (eventual STRENUOUS denial from Denul)
+-> GL disagrees
+-> BO convinced by MO's case
+-> Tiamatha votes after prompting from OL
Ampelas mentions Warlord symps
+-> Tiamatha jumps on it, everyone else leaves it alone.
Alkend renews attack on Serc, drops vote after post dump
+-> Lock disagrees
+-> Korabas follows on. Claims to be waiting for Denul's response, but doesn't wait for one from Serc?
+-> Despite initially disagreeing with Alkend, Lock drops a vote! Weird.
+-> Shadow leaps in with a flimsy attack on Denul's behaviour way back on page 3, eventually votes that way.
+-> Lock ridicules this.
+-> Denul drops a vote on Serc because he feels it's the only available option.
GL asks for theories from Serc. Serc fingers Alkend, Denul, OL)
+-> GL votes Serc anyway.



A bunch of people can't alt D'rek. Vengeance thought Denul was Mentalist.

Tiamatha, on 15 April 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

fucking SNAP!!

I know ments been out of the game a while but that's a fucking double blow to the town right there, gusty can be bloody terrifyingly good at times.



massive call to nail MO.



now to piss of Denul a bit more (is it venge or khell??)

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:31 PM

Thank heavens I'm dead. I couldn't have coped with fighting D'rek another day. I see I was also right about her, albeit wrong about her too. She was acting funny, and she was roled. Unfortunately, I don't always pick up on whether or not a person is roled scum or roled town... One of my greatest weaknesses, although, I have been lucky of late.

I also am gravely disappointed in all the flak for RPing. I know that it wasn't in character with the game, but after thinking about trying to play a dumb ape, I didn't see that going well for me or my team. So I played a smart one. Le sigh, we really need to lighten up all those grumpy sods. When I do the Misfits game, maybe RPing will be mandatory. :)

Looks like a fun one Shin. Sorry that you had to bear up under my RP even in the PMs :sofa:

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Posted 15 April 2014 - 09:33 PM

Our killer waffles around, and at one point chooses Kessobahn, whose BP would have meant no kill.

Eloth, on 15 April 2014 - 06:27 PM, said:

Ok....lots of fun with provisional changes. Sorry. I expect more to come.

Provisional, Night 1:

If Serc is lynched, kill Alkend

Otherwise, kill Monok


This is probably stupid but I can't get the Warlord VC out of my mind yet. I'm sure I have absolutely no idea who the Warlords are, but my best guesses right now are MO, Kesso, and Ruse(?).

But of course if I was playing like there were no Warlords at all...what would I do, hmmm.


Eloth, on 15 April 2014 - 06:40 PM, said:

Ok, I told you this was going to happen, it's going to get annoying.

Changing provisional:

Kill Monok; if he's lynched kill Alkend

And then we'll go back to the list. With Monok and Shadow pushing a Denul lynch and Alk saying he will probably back Denul if Serc is RI, a Serc lynch lets MO's case sit out there and others (Shadow, etc) carry it forward, hopefully Alk will push back. This also covers my desire to see if MO is a Warlord; again, dumb, but it's just gut.

If Denul gets lynched the situation becomes a little different. Now Monok will be dead with his case on Denul mostly useless, but with his earlier suspicions of Serc still around. And I'm guessing a lot of people aren't going to let the Serc/Denul master/symp bit go away if Denul CF's as RI. Ideally people thinking Denul was scum will turn to Serc and think they had the master/symp bit reversed. Shit man. I don't even know. That's what I'm doing.



Eloth, on 15 April 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

Ok, MO is taking a lot of heat, so let's dig at the bottom of the barrel. Obviously I have no clue what I'm doing because I've changed my mind so much.

Night 1:

Kill Kesso; if he's lynched kill Alkend

I don't like the math post or his absence so let's do that and see if I can't hide amongst everyone else for a little while.



Eloth, on 15 April 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

NEVERMIND

KILL MONOK

Kesso showed up so I'm switching back.

Lol.

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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View PostMonok Ochem, on 15 April 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

Thank heavens I'm dead. I couldn't have coped with fighting D'rek another day. I see I was also right about her, albeit wrong about her too. She was acting funny, and she was roled. Unfortunately, I don't always pick up on whether or not a person is roled scum or roled town... One of my greatest weaknesses, although, I have been lucky of late.

I also am gravely disappointed in all the flak for RPing. I know that it wasn't in character with the game, but after thinking about trying to play a dumb ape, I didn't see that going well for me or my team. So I played a smart one. Le sigh, we really need to lighten up all those grumpy sods. When I do the Misfits game, maybe RPing will be mandatory. :)

Looks like a fun one Shin. Sorry that you had to bear up under my RP even in the PMs :sofa:



Actually, I didn't care at all. I was just worried you'd start a swarm of avatar changes.
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