[Okaros]

Bek Okhan, on 17 March 2014 - 05:25 PM, said:

Okaros, on 17 March 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

Alkend, on 15 March 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

While initially Okaros' reaction sounded a little butt-hurt overstrong, that reply by Bek wasn't terribly convincing. If either is scum, I'm leaning Bek.

As for Denul, I don't care that they have come on an posted in a flurry. People with RL issues will post like that. It's just how they posted. I wasn't around for the end of the lynch either, but even I could tell it was going the way it was going to go during my readup. Pointing accusatory fingers at votes that were points of no return is rather melodramatic, especially coming from someone who wasn't online at the time.

Oh, I missed this post. Hmm. I guess you did comment on that. Still, the reasoning here is a bit weak. Is your argument now that he's a low-poster or that he's pointing fingers? I don't have a clear picture of this.

It is that his posting habit is that of a low-poster and that the pointing fingers over a lynch is rich for someone not there.

Ok, that makes sense and is fine, but it doesn't seem like a lot to base a vote on. I would expect at least some more general analysis of Denul's posts after he returned to the thread. So I think Alkend's reasoning is weak and/or not been explained clearly on thread. I agree with your comments about Denul but dropping a vote and sticking to it for those reasons seems like a stretch without further analysis.

[Okaros]

...

So 12 hours later and it's still just me, huh? Am I mistaken, or did the clock unfreeze about 9 hours ago? Which leaves us with about 6 hours until timeout. Lovely.

Well I'll try to be back before timeout, but it's likely I may not make it. From the looks of things, I'm guessing this wouldn't be a problem anyway...

[Alkend]

I dropped the vote to get him talking, and now that he is, I'm not impressed in the least. My vote stays, since I'm intrigued to hear more.

[Alkend]

I dont see an unfreeze post by PS. Whats going on?

[Alkend]

Ah, he said 14 hours until unfreeze, yesterday. That has pergaps confused some people into not realizing we're live again.

[Okaros]

Well, I'm gonna put a vote down in case I don't make it back.

Vote Denul

Because of the way he analyzed the lynch train and I think he's our best chance of getting numbers for a lynch if day times out in 6 hours.

[Okaros]

Cross post on my phone...

Yes, I based that on what PS said earlier. Mostly agree about Denul but there is also not much else to go on.

[Path-Shaper]

I had every intention of opening the game back up last night but RL interfered because of this I will extend the days clock by another 6 hours, so Timeout will be at 20:00 GMT.

[Path-Shaper]

The fog lay heavy on the city of Pale. The sun burning bright in the sky trying its best to disperse the thick grey cloud but evidently losing its battle. Fiddler strolls alongside Tattersail. After the events of last night they are wary and on edge.

"You do me that new set of cards?" Tattersail asks. Fiddler glances across at the big lady. He considers lying but he knows she is too clever for that.

"I thought Hedge swapped my cards with yours. They had cards that I hadn't seen before and they looked like they had a new lick of paint. It wasn't until this morning that I realised". Tattersail's eyes quickly rolled over Fiddler. Not many people can read the Deck of Dragons, not properly, not the way she heard Fiddler can. He was a natural. She wanted to know if he knew about his gift or not. Yet, she was not going to ask.

"What happened Fid?"

He heard the anguish in her voice, and he felt the cold pang of sorrow and regret.

"Sorry took a sharper from Hedge, it looked as though she was stopping him from killing us all, but she wasn't, she was planning her next move. It could have been any one of us. No one was safe, only Whiskeyjack left the room first. She followed and did them both in with the munition"

"No she didn't" Fiddler eyes widened.

"You mean Whiskeyjack-"

"No, I mean Sorry. She must have escaped through a Warren, you have to find her Fid or bad things are going to happen."

"How do you know?" Fiddler asked

"I did a reading last night, the first 3 cards came out High House Shadow, The Rope, The Bridgeburners. They are all involved. If we don't find Sorry she is going to kill us all" Fiddler sighed. He knew he should have left his cards alone. He knew because he had read the same thing. He had come to her for help and now she is asking for his.

Sorry crouched low. She watched them walk. One mistake. One separation from the group. That is all it would take. She moved silently into the shadows.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day two: 8 hours 58 minutes remaining

13 players still alive; Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Kilava, Korabas, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom, Tiamatha,

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to night

3 Votes for Denul; (Alkend, Ampelas, Okaros)
1 Vote for Okaros; (Bek Okhan)
1 vote for Eloth; (Galayn lord)



Players not voted;Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Kilava, Korabas, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Tiamatha,

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 18 March 2014 - 11:00 AM

[Korabas]

Well, looks like Day 2's gonna be a shit show.

[Bek Okhan]

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Well, looks like Day 2's gonna be a shit show.

Yep. My vote has been on Okaros for over 72 hours and nobody went with it, so... that's also not a venue to pursue, apparently. I don't really have the time to pour over other players right now.

That leaves Denul and Eloth as people voted for, Ampelas being lightly touched upon by Denul and Kilava as being scrutinized for balance talk.
I don't fancy a Denul vote, I think they're pretty decent so far.
The Ampelas fingering is imo fairly innocent and light.


Kilava's scum assumption might be heavy handed and Korabas' reaction is thus understandable, but... a 3 town per 1 scum ratio with 16 starting players would mean 4 scum. The ancient norm for balance is, I think, 3.5:1 so it depends on rounding by Tatts.





Remove vote.
Vote Eloth

[Korabas]

Bek Okhan, on 18 March 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Well, looks like Day 2's gonna be a shit show.

Yep. My vote has been on Okaros for over 72 hours and nobody went with it, so... that's also not a venue to pursue, apparently. I don't really have the time to pour over other players right now.

That leaves Denul and Eloth as people voted for, Ampelas being lightly touched upon by Denul and Kilava as being scrutinized for balance talk.
I don't fancy a Denul vote, I think they're pretty decent so far.
The Ampelas fingering is imo fairly innocent and light.


Kilava's scum assumption might be heavy handed and Korabas' reaction is thus understandable, but... a 3 town per 1 scum ratio with 16 starting players would mean 4 scum. The ancient norm for balance is, I think, 3.5:1 so it depends on rounding by Tatts.





Remove vote.
Vote Eloth

I don't know what kind of maths you're doing. 4 scum in a 16 player game is very clearly a 4:1 ratio given that 4x4=16.


Anyway, I certainly don't like the Denul 'case' but I still feel there was SOME merit in the Okaros case, specially given his overreaction.

[Tiamatha]

I am back and reading up.

[Bek Okhan]

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 18 March 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Well, looks like Day 2's gonna be a shit show.

Yep. My vote has been on Okaros for over 72 hours and nobody went with it, so... that's also not a venue to pursue, apparently. I don't really have the time to pour over other players right now.

That leaves Denul and Eloth as people voted for, Ampelas being lightly touched upon by Denul and Kilava as being scrutinized for balance talk.
I don't fancy a Denul vote, I think they're pretty decent so far.
The Ampelas fingering is imo fairly innocent and light.


Kilava's scum assumption might be heavy handed and Korabas' reaction is thus understandable, but... a 3 town per 1 scum ratio with 16 starting players would mean 4 scum. The ancient norm for balance is, I think, 3.5:1 so it depends on rounding by Tatts.





Remove vote.
Vote Eloth

I don't know what kind of maths you're doing. 4 scum in a 16 player game is very clearly a 4:1 ratio given that 4x4=16.


Anyway, I certainly don't like the Denul 'case' but I still feel there was SOME merit in the Okaros case, specially given his overreaction.

3 to 1 = 4 players. 4x4 = 16 = 12 townies, 4 scum.
As an aspect ratio, that is what it is.

EDIT: I see 3 to 1 as "1 out of 4" is scum.

This post has been edited by Bek Okhan: 18 March 2014 - 02:09 PM

[Monok Ochem]

ok, I'm going to try this again today, hopefully with better results

[Bek Okhan]

Monok Ochem, on 18 March 2014 - 02:08 PM, said:

ok, I'm going to try this again today, hopefully with better results

Good luck.

[Korabas]

Bek Okhan, on 18 March 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 01:55 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 18 March 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Korabas, on 18 March 2014 - 01:18 PM, said:

Well, looks like Day 2's gonna be a shit show.

Yep. My vote has been on Okaros for over 72 hours and nobody went with it, so... that's also not a venue to pursue, apparently. I don't really have the time to pour over other players right now.

That leaves Denul and Eloth as people voted for, Ampelas being lightly touched upon by Denul and Kilava as being scrutinized for balance talk.
I don't fancy a Denul vote, I think they're pretty decent so far.
The Ampelas fingering is imo fairly innocent and light.


Kilava's scum assumption might be heavy handed and Korabas' reaction is thus understandable, but... a 3 town per 1 scum ratio with 16 starting players would mean 4 scum. The ancient norm for balance is, I think, 3.5:1 so it depends on rounding by Tatts.





Remove vote.
Vote Eloth

I don't know what kind of maths you're doing. 4 scum in a 16 player game is very clearly a 4:1 ratio given that 4x4=16.


Anyway, I certainly don't like the Denul 'case' but I still feel there was SOME merit in the Okaros case, specially given his overreaction.

3 to 1 = 4 players. 4x4 = 16 = 12 townies, 4 scum.
As an aspect ratio, that is what it is.

EDIT: I see 3 to 1 as "1 out of 4" is scum.

Bah, yes, of course you are right. I apologize for doubting your maths sir!



But 4 scum in a 16 player game is still too many unless town has a good number of roles on its side. I suppose that could be possible, but I think it's more likely that it's 3 scum in a 16 player game.

[Korabas]

I look at it in the WCS way. If it's 4 scum, then:

Day 1 = 4 Scum, 12 Town
Day 2 = 4 Scum, 10 Town
Day 3 = 4 Scum, 8 Town
Day 4 = 4 Scum, 6 Town
Day 5 = 4 Scum, 4 Town


Generally in a 16 player game you're looking to have your game last a little longer than 5 days.


But anyway, enough about this, it doesn't REALLY matter. Anyway, I haven't seen anything to convince me that his reaction was not overdone, so...


vote Okaros

[Okaros]

Whew, a reprieve. I thought for sure we would timeout. So in light of that I am going to

Remove Vote

and look somewhere we haven't looked before.

Galayn Lord, on 17 March 2014 - 02:17 AM, said:

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Harder to pin down a slider, skating by with a few thoughtful sounding (yet somehow worthless) posts. I think the most damnable post was that middle of the road post, and I'm glad people called him on it, but disappointed we aren't continuing to screw in the tacks.

I think ladies and gents we need to not get caught up in all the shitty SR drama, ignore the bloated egos and hurt prides and get poking at those sitting back and enjoying the show.

Vote Eloth

Underlined above is mine. This is GL's third and most recent post in almost an entire RL week of the game. That makes him the lowest poster by far and he drops in with a single vote and some analysis and leaves again. In particular, above, he suggests that we "get poking at those sitting back and enjoying the show." Quite astute, as GL is the most guilty of this out of everyone playing. His attempt to divide the lynch targets into his two groups is striking me wrongly right now, and there really isn't much in his "case" to go on...his reasoning is basically "look at people who voted on the train, one of may be scum" or "let's look at 'sliders'" as he says.

Now, I certainly would like to hear more from Eloth, I don't think he has posted in a good while? But GL falls into one of his own categories for sure (sliding right along) and he voted for Monok, but wasn't on the lynch train or around to vote later (nice self-separation from category 1). Reading his post right now sounds like scum laying low and popping up to add "content" but basically adds no new information at all. He quotes the lynch train, says very little about it, then votes for Eloth for playing middle of the road. Well, we have like half the damn players playing the exact same way, including GL, so his analysis points back to himself if anything.

Vote Galayn Lord

Because one reasonable sounding post as the lowest poster in the game does not a town player make. It'd be nice to hear from him, too.