[Okaros]

 Lock, on 13 March 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

Well SR picked his fate which is cool, no need to whine over spilt...er...wine so I'm moving on?

I think gamewise we need to figure out where to go from here.


We may get more fun out of this if we looked deeper at the scenes or atleast discussed them a lil?

Heres my take on scenes so far:

We (being the bridgeburner unit), now down one sapper, need to figure out one wild card Sorry aswell as a damn claw. What are the odds they'd be working together? I'm curios if we have a Tats claw combo and a Sorry ST combo...

Also this new talk on cards...I get a good feeling about the card talk. Fiddler being finder sounds cool. I got Kalam and quick roles pegged. I'm curious to know if Whiskeyjack turns up roled aswell!

Characters might have some on thread prerequisites which I'm looking forward to! All in all this is MALAZAN so we can go a bit nit pick crazy on the scene dumps...is all I'm saying

Just briefly reading this - why are we "down one sapper"? Hairlock was a mage in the 2nd's cadre. Fiddler and Hedge are doing shit in the scenes you mentioned. Also, where is the talk of a Claw coming from? Further, why would there be a "Tats claw combo" based on the scenes so far and what we know of GotM? This is really odd.

Second, from the scene where Tattersail reads the Deck for Tays, I'm wondering if Shadowthrone is even in this game, as his appearances are pretty minor and Tattersail clearly says the Rope is on his own in this game. So that would imply to me that maybe Shadowthrone isn't around. Just my thoughts though.

[Rikkter]

Lock seems to be playing with considerable more knowledge than me if that's what he's getting from the night scenes, to be honest I skim flavour, maybe it bears closer scrutiny. The Monok train is day one bunkum but it will give us a train to study tomorrow and another cf
I want to hear from him first though

[Tiamatha]

I haven't seen any mention of the claw so far in this game up until now. The post by Lock strikes me as someone who knows something. While it has been a while since I last read GOTM I don't believe that there are actual claw assassins in the book. There were Andii assassins but those are later in the story then Pale. There was Lorn but she wasn't a claw she was an Adjunt. Now I am really curious about the mention of the claw.

[Kilava]

 Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I haven't seen any mention of the claw so far in this game up until now. The post by Lock strikes me as someone who knows something. While it has been a while since I last read GOTM I don't believe that there are actual claw assassins in the book. There were Andii assassins but those are later in the story then Pale. There was Lorn but she wasn't a claw she was an Adjunt. Now I am really curious about the mention of the claw.

Sorry garrotted a Claw - the officer who read the note to the surviving Bridgeburners was I seem to recall the last one bar Toc.

Vote Lock

[Kessobahn]

 Path-Shaper, on 12 March 2014 - 10:38 AM, said:

Whiskeyjack shook his head. The only force intact was the Moranth, they seemed determined to field only the Black regiments, using the Gr for lifts and drops—and where the hell was the Gold he'd been hearing much about? Damn those unhuman bastards anyway. Pale's gutters ran red from their hour of retribution. Once the burial shifts were through there'd be a few more hills outside the city's walls. Big ones.

There would be nothing to mark thirteen hundred dead Bridgeburners though. The worms didn't need to travel far to feast on those bodies. What chilled the sergeant to his bones was the fact that, apart from a few survivors, nobody had made a serious effort to save them. Some high ranking officer had delivered Tayschrenn's commiserations on those lost in the line of duty, then had unloaded a wagonload of tripe about heroism and sacrifice. His audience of thirty-nine stone-faced soldiers looked on without a word. The officer was found dead in his room hours later, expertly garotted. The mood was bad—nobody in regiment would have even thought of something so ugly five years ago. But now they didn't blink at the news.

Garotte—sounds like Claw work. Kalam had suggested it was a setup, an elaborate frame to discredit what was left of the Bridgeburners. Whiskeyjack was sceptical.

He tried to clear his thoughts. If there was a pattern it would be a simple one, simple enough to pass by unnoticed. But exhaustion see in like a thick haze behind his eyes. He took a deep lungful of the morning air. 'The new recruit?' he asked.

Kalam rose from his haunches with a grunt. A faraway and longlook entered his eyes. 'Maybe,'

he said finally. 'Pretty young for a Claw though.'

'I never believed in pure evil before Sorry showed up,' Quick Ben said. 'But you're right, she's awfully young. How long are they trained before they're sent out?'

So this is where a claw is mentioned, but I remember this as actually being a part of the book, so it's possible this is just flavor, and/or Lock knows something we don't. It's only put up as a possibly, and WJ is skeptical, and also

Spoiler

Sorry isn't a claw, she's possessed,

so no claw there. I'm leaning towards Lock knowing something we don't. And for a day one case, this is better than nothing.

Vote Lock

[Okaros]

 Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I haven't seen any mention of the claw so far in this game up until now. The post by Lock strikes me as someone who knows something. While it has been a while since I last read GOTM I don't believe that there are actual claw assassins in the book. There were Andii assassins but those are later in the story then Pale. There was Lorn but she wasn't a claw she was an Adjunt. Now I am really curious about the mention of the claw.

Sorry garrotted a Claw - the officer who read the note to the surviving Bridgeburners was I seem to recall the last one bar Toc.

Vote Lock

To clarify, the officer who was garrotted was not a Claw - he was an officer and the remaining 30-ish Bridgeburners were not surprised to see him die. In the scene with Kalam, he speculates that a garrote sounds like Claw work - as if the Claw killed the officer. I can't remember if it explicitly says that Sorry is the one who killed the officer giving the update to the Bridgeburners, but there is no mention of her killing a Claw.

Also, Topper, the prime Claw, guides Paran through the Imperial Warren. Then Paran meets up with Toc. Those are the two Claws we see in GotM explicitly.

[Okaros]

 Rikkter, on 13 March 2014 - 07:16 PM, said:

Lock seems to be playing with considerable more knowledge than me if that's what he's getting from the night scenes, to be honest I skim flavour, maybe it bears closer scrutiny. The Monok train is day one bunkum but it will give us a train to study tomorrow and another cf
I want to hear from him first though

There haven't been any night scenes yet...

[Lock]

oooooh wow that was embarrassing. I'm simply reading up on flavor and musing on the scene from the book with the claw mentioned as posted by Kesso. No info to be added here just speculation. I also meant to say Tays and claw, not tats and Claw. Ah the dangers of actually speculating on thread day 1. will I never learn! seriously I was simply looking at possibilities and I wrote hedge as I was thinking about his possible placement, hence me saying down one sapper. I all honesty I doubt we will see any more outside characters than those mentioned in the write up. If I recall The Andii assasins had nothing to do with the bridgeburners?

Can I also just add how shocked I am Hairlock is RI? All that talk in the scene with Kalam really set him up as something special. Tad disappointed there.

[Okaros]

 Lock, on 13 March 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

Well SR picked his fate which is cool, no need to whine over spilt...er...wine so I'm moving on?

I think gamewise we need to figure out where to go from here.


We may get more fun out of this if we looked deeper at the scenes or atleast discussed them a lil?

Heres my take on scenes so far:

We (being the bridgeburner unit), now down one sapper, need to figure out one wild card Sorry aswell as a damn claw. What are the odds they'd be working together? I'm curios if we have a Tats claw combo and a Sorry ST combo...

Also this new talk on cards...I get a good feeling about the card talk. Fiddler being finder sounds cool. I got Kalam and quick roles pegged. I'm curious to know if Whiskeyjack turns up roled aswell!

Characters might have some on thread prerequisites which I'm looking forward to! All in all this is MALAZAN so we can go a bit nit pick crazy on the scene dumps...is all I'm saying

Curious that Lock is so eager to move on from Silchas's modkill. Not to say we should, daylight is wasting, but this is a particularly cavalier way to put it.

Suggesting that we nitpick on scene info and then totally bungling the info is either just bad play from not remembering what happens in GotM or an attempt to steer us in some other direction.

He also jumped on the Monok train as soon as it gained traction with a second vote.

All quite suspicious, I am inclined to vote for Lock at the moment too. Let's see what he says.

edit - in my second sentence, I meant "shouldn't", not "should" [original content unchanged]

This post has been edited by Okaros: 13 March 2014 - 07:54 PM

[Kilava]

 Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I haven't seen any mention of the claw so far in this game up until now. The post by Lock strikes me as someone who knows something. While it has been a while since I last read GOTM I don't believe that there are actual claw assassins in the book. There were Andii assassins but those are later in the story then Pale. There was Lorn but she wasn't a claw she was an Adjunt. Now I am really curious about the mention of the claw.

Sorry garrotted a Claw - the officer who read the note to the surviving Bridgeburners was I seem to recall the last one bar Toc.

Vote Lock

To clarify, the officer who was garrotted was not a Claw - he was an officer and the remaining 30-ish Bridgeburners were not surprised to see him die. In the scene with Kalam, he speculates that a garrote sounds like Claw work - as if the Claw killed the officer. I can't remember if it explicitly says that Sorry is the one who killed the officer giving the update to the Bridgeburners, but there is no mention of her killing a Claw.

Also, Topper, the prime Claw, guides Paran through the Imperial Warren. Then Paran meets up with Toc. Those are the two Claws we see in GotM explicitly.

Toc mentions that his Claw commander was garrotted not long ago to the Adjunct does he not?

[Lock]

 Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I haven't seen any mention of the claw so far in this game up until now. The post by Lock strikes me as someone who knows something. While it has been a while since I last read GOTM I don't believe that there are actual claw assassins in the book. There were Andii assassins but those are later in the story then Pale. There was Lorn but she wasn't a claw she was an Adjunt. Now I am really curious about the mention of the claw.

Sorry garrotted a Claw - the officer who read the note to the surviving Bridgeburners was I seem to recall the last one bar Toc.

Vote Lock

To clarify, the officer who was garrotted was not a Claw - he was an officer and the remaining 30-ish Bridgeburners were not surprised to see him die. In the scene with Kalam, he speculates that a garrote sounds like Claw work - as if the Claw killed the officer. I can't remember if it explicitly says that Sorry is the one who killed the officer giving the update to the Bridgeburners, but there is no mention of her killing a Claw.

Also, Topper, the prime Claw, guides Paran through the Imperial Warren. Then Paran meets up with Toc. Those are the two Claws we see in GotM explicitly.

So we get no named claw in this then? I dont think either of the above actually had it in for the bridgeburners? My reread is what? nine years back? twice was enough GotM to last me. Not a bad book just not the one I run to for answers I guess.

[Lock]

I also now don't recall Tays being an an active character in the scheming that happens in Pale apart from landing hell from on high that is. One thing bugging me, what was Sorry meant to do exactly once possessed? I surmised kill things but wasn't she like aimed at someone?

[Okaros]

 Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

 Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I haven't seen any mention of the claw so far in this game up until now. The post by Lock strikes me as someone who knows something. While it has been a while since I last read GOTM I don't believe that there are actual claw assassins in the book. There were Andii assassins but those are later in the story then Pale. There was Lorn but she wasn't a claw she was an Adjunt. Now I am really curious about the mention of the claw.

Sorry garrotted a Claw - the officer who read the note to the surviving Bridgeburners was I seem to recall the last one bar Toc.

Vote Lock

To clarify, the officer who was garrotted was not a Claw - he was an officer and the remaining 30-ish Bridgeburners were not surprised to see him die. In the scene with Kalam, he speculates that a garrote sounds like Claw work - as if the Claw killed the officer. I can't remember if it explicitly says that Sorry is the one who killed the officer giving the update to the Bridgeburners, but there is no mention of her killing a Claw.

Also, Topper, the prime Claw, guides Paran through the Imperial Warren. Then Paran meets up with Toc. Those are the two Claws we see in GotM explicitly.

Toc mentions that his Claw commander was garrotted not long ago to the Adjunct does he not?

Actually I can't remember, I don't recall Toc specifically talking to the Adjunct and I don't have my copy with me atm. Either way though, the officer who was delivering Tayschrenn's "congratulations" to the ~35 Bridgeburners left out of like 1500 was not a Claw, and this event occurs almost immediately after the battle of Pale, before Paran arrives or Toc appears, iirc. Plus Topper was not above culling his own ranks so if Toc did say that, I don't think it in any way implies that this stupid officer delivering Tays' message was a Claw commander.

[Okaros]

 Lock, on 13 March 2014 - 07:53 PM, said:

I also now don't recall Tays being an an active character in the scheming that happens in Pale apart from landing hell from on high that is. One thing bugging me, what was Sorry meant to do exactly once possessed? I surmised kill things but wasn't she like aimed at someone?

Tays shows up at Pale to deliver orders to Dujek to commence the attack on Moon's Spawn, which kills most of the Bridgeburners, as well as most of the 2nd and its mage cadre. Tays takes the front line after summoning the other High Mages but ends up intentionally killing all of the mages except Tattersail, who survives. His orders are from Laseen, he claims, so he outranks pretty much everyone.

According to GotM, Cotillion possessed Sorry with intentions of bringing down Laseen's Empire, which was "unearned" and therefore an offense to the previous rulers (Kel and Dancer).

[Okaros]

 Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 07:57 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

 Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 13 March 2014 - 07:19 PM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 13 March 2014 - 07:17 PM, said:

I haven't seen any mention of the claw so far in this game up until now. The post by Lock strikes me as someone who knows something. While it has been a while since I last read GOTM I don't believe that there are actual claw assassins in the book. There were Andii assassins but those are later in the story then Pale. There was Lorn but she wasn't a claw she was an Adjunt. Now I am really curious about the mention of the claw.

Sorry garrotted a Claw - the officer who read the note to the surviving Bridgeburners was I seem to recall the last one bar Toc.

Vote Lock

To clarify, the officer who was garrotted was not a Claw - he was an officer and the remaining 30-ish Bridgeburners were not surprised to see him die. In the scene with Kalam, he speculates that a garrote sounds like Claw work - as if the Claw killed the officer. I can't remember if it explicitly says that Sorry is the one who killed the officer giving the update to the Bridgeburners, but there is no mention of her killing a Claw.

Also, Topper, the prime Claw, guides Paran through the Imperial Warren. Then Paran meets up with Toc. Those are the two Claws we see in GotM explicitly.

Toc mentions that his Claw commander was garrotted not long ago to the Adjunct does he not?

Actually I can't remember, I don't recall Toc specifically talking to the Adjunct and I don't have my copy with me atm. Either way though, the officer who was delivering Tayschrenn's "congratulations" to the ~35 Bridgeburners left out of like 1500 was not a Claw, and this event occurs almost immediately after the battle of Pale, before Paran arrives or Toc appears, iirc. Plus Topper was not above culling his own ranks so if Toc did say that, I don't think it in any way implies that this stupid officer delivering Tays' message was a Claw commander.

Oh, I do remember now, Toc does have some extensive conversations with the Adjunct, and she explicitly calls him "the last representative of the Claw in the Genabackis campaign" or something. I still can't remember Toc saying that about his commander being garrotted, though.

[Path-Shaper]

Hairlock stares out of the window. Each dip into the chaos stream has changed him. At first, a twitch here, a comment there but now it is full blown rage. (I will continue when I get back in an hour)





It is day one: 3 hours 13 minutes until night time.

15 players still alive; Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Kilava, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha,

9 votes to lynch, 8 votes to night

3 Votes for Monok Ochem; (Galayn Lord, Korabas, Lock)
1 Votes for Rikkter; (Alkend)
2 votes for Lock; (Kilava, Kessobahn)

Players not voted; Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Kilava, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Silchas Ruin, Tiamatha,

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 March 2014 - 08:30 PM

[Lock]

 Okaros, on 13 March 2014 - 08:01 PM, said:

 Lock, on 13 March 2014 - 07:53 PM, said:

I also now don't recall Tays being an an active character in the scheming that happens in Pale apart from landing hell from on high that is. One thing bugging me, what was Sorry meant to do exactly once possessed? I surmised kill things but wasn't she like aimed at someone?

Tays shows up at Pale to deliver orders to Dujek to commence the attack on Moon's Spawn, which kills most of the Bridgeburners, as well as most of the 2nd and its mage cadre. Tays takes the front line after summoning the other High Mages but ends up intentionally killing all of the mages except Tattersail, who survives. His orders are from Laseen, he claims, so he outranks pretty much everyone.

According to GotM, Cotillion possessed Sorry with intentions of bringing down Laseen's Empire, which was "unearned" and therefore an offense to the previous rulers (Kel and Dancer).

Ok, thats what I don't get. Clearly, in this game of mafia, sorry is out to kill someone. I'm guessing we get to see who later. My only issue is in our case she has gone crazy by lore standards and is killing just about anyone in the way of her target. This is why I was like maybe we have two killer sets or something because as you explained Laseen (Sorrys possible target) has the adjunct and Tays in the mix as her reps while ST and Cott have Sorry running about. Two seperate but plausible threats for team bridgeburner here. If Sorry is the killer does she get a partner? who could that be??? My guess we find out soon enough but I'm enjoying the speculation.


The roles seem to almost explain themselves and for once we can all follow the possibilities!

[Rikkter]

I'm going tk bed soon, I'm more inclinced to jump on the lock train as his initial take on the flavour stood out and his meandering into book conversation reeks of distraction.

heading to bed soon and we're down to 3 hours.
vote Lock

[Rikkter]

Double post. Hairlock coming ul as RI I think shows we take nothing for granted, its malazan flavour as far as we know all tatts has taken from gotm is the names. Mechanic speculation this early doesn not help us, it helps killers

[Lock]

Ok I'll tone it down with the speculation then. three days in I guess we need a lynch. guess I'm it.

I thought I was helping us work out what we'd be facing. if I'm likely the distraction I guess I played poorly. my bad. just wanted us to get talking other than being pissed off about what happened earlier.