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Posted 08 June 2026 - 10:26 PM

I think the idea is not to do what they did at Krynky, which was a bit inexplicable. Instead you'd try to push the grey zone forward and create an environment so saturated the Russians have zero choice but to retreat (as we've just seen as Kinburn) and then, once you've pushed the grey zone as far inland from the river as possible, cross whilst not under constant fire. A contested crossing would be insane, the Russians themselves have lost tens of thousands of troops trying to do the same in the opposite direction.

This may be doable in Kherson because you only have limited land routes to worry about. They're trying to do a similar thing at Kamyanske, using the river to anchor the flank so you can just pour more firepower onto the target. The Russians seem to be firming up (or trying to) that front, though.

Crossing the Dnipro at its mouth without the Antonivka Road Bridge is extremely hard though, even if you have pushed the Russians far back. The Russians found that out themselves whilst retreating.

One Ukrainian regiment's drone unit, by itself, destroyed 110 vehicles, including taking out a full Russian infantry company in transit to the front, in one week, at an operational depth of 150km. DARTS drones were primarily used to destroy supply trucks, tankers, pickups and trucks transporting military personnel.

The Russians have counter-attacked near Mala Tokmachka, apparently sending in an under-strength force. The Ukrainians halted the push.

Ukraine has hit the Grushovaya oil depot near Novorossiysk again, sending smoke rising over the city. The oil export facility was hit earlier in the weekend.

More information on the evacuation of Kinburn from a Russian milblogger. The 337th Regiment was holding the spit but has given up. Deliveries of ammunition, food and fuel ceased in their entirety some weeks ago. Ukrainian drones and artillery have bombarded the spit, inflicting heavy casualties. The 337th's own drone defences have been neutralised. Some troops from the regiment have been reassigned to the Zaporizhzhia front, and the other units remaining have not been refreshed for months. Local commanders apparently ordered the withdrawal to preserve some vague semblance of combat power on the peninsular further east.

A civilian petrol station in Krasnodar ran out of petrol and apparently have zero idea on when they will be resupplied.

The Valdaysky district of the Novgorod region has put up extensive drone nets in a massive circular area roughly 18km across, despite being some distance from the front. The epicentre appears to be one of Putin's residences.

Apparently Zelensky has spoken to Witkoff and Kushner. Apparently they believe the mood in Russia has taken a considerably more pessimistic turn over the last few weeks, and this may set the tone for more positive discussions from a Ukrainian perspective. I think the "may" is doing heavy lifting there.

A Ukrainian soldier using a heavy machine gun on a pickup appears to have shot down a Russian missile (not a drone) in mid-flight.

The EU's €90 billion loan to Ukraine is starting to be paid, with a €5.9 billion drone fund being sent this month.

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Posted 08 June 2026 - 11:15 PM

Well they fooled me. I seem to have foolishly believed the stupidity of Jared kusher as a high level negotiator was over, when he said he wasn’t going to be involved in the second term. I actually had not been aware he was part of negotiations with Witkoff.

I’m sure it’s not as simple as swapping out Witkoff and Kushner for career diplomats will get a peace deal done but I feel confident in believing their inexperience is not helping.

I can’t imagine the ego you must have to think that your real estate experience at your father’s company will enable you to bring peace to the Middle East and Ukraine both. Yes him as well.

No wonder Ukraine won’t buckle, they must be gritting their teeth all day long.
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Posted 09 June 2026 - 01:40 PM

 Cause, on 08 June 2026 - 11:15 PM, said:

Well they fooled me. I seem to have foolishly believed the stupidity of Jared kusher as a high level negotiator was over, when he said he wasn't going to be involved in the second term. I actually had not been aware he was part of negotiations with Witkoff.

I'm sure it's not as simple as swapping out Witkoff and Kushner for career diplomats will get a peace deal done but I feel confident in believing their inexperience is not helping.

I can't imagine the ego you must have to think that your real estate experience at your father's company will enable you to bring peace to the Middle East and Ukraine both. Yes him as well.

No wonder Ukraine won't buckle, they must be gritting their teeth all day long.


My sense is that when the Americans become involved everyone else present just nods their heads and mutters vague things, then goes back to whatever they were doing before.
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Posted 09 June 2026 - 01:41 PM

Amusingly, Peskov has now stated that "mediation process in the US has been suspended".

Another orc general got exploded with a car bomb in Moscow

UAF hit the Chonhar bridge from Kherson Oblast' into Crimea again. This is definitely starting to look an awful lot like a shaping operation. The HQ and Magyar are both reporting that the traffic volume on the "Novorossiya" road (Rostov-on-Don to Melitopil and Crimea) as well as the "Taurida" (Kerch to Simferopol) road has decreased by 71% due to drone interdiction in the past 2 weeks down to 1100 vehicles per day from 3800.

EU is prepping the 21st sanctions package. Most importantly, it includes legislature to allow all member states to "forcefully intercept" vessels suspected of violating "international norms". Read: shadow fleet ships. Hopefully, this makes the hunt for those tankers more active.

The orcs are prepping for another missile barrage. Their Tu bombers are being assembled at the Ukrayinka air base in the Far East (the only one that Operation Spiderweb failed to hit properly)

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Posted 09 June 2026 - 09:45 PM

The thing about the car bomb is interesting. Is that likely to be Ukrainian intelligence operatives or Russian rebel factions or who? I figure getting someone in Moscow is not going to be the easiest thing, especially with a car bomb.
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Posted 09 June 2026 - 11:45 PM

Doesn't matter who is doing the negotiating if there's no common ground.

Russia: Surrender your sovereign territory.
Ukraine: No.
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Posted 10 June 2026 - 02:58 AM

 the broken, on 09 June 2026 - 11:45 PM, said:

Doesn't matter who is doing the negotiating if there's no common ground.

Russia: Surrender your sovereign territory.
Ukraine: No.


They are also the advisors back to the us president about how the war is going, what can be done to get the outcome the USA wants. They have an impact on how much support Trump will or won’t give. Now admittedly Trump has his own weird attraction to Putin but Witkoff once got mocked for letting the Kremlin provide him with a Russian translator.

My god! That has to be basic diplomacy. The nuance of language can change the understanding of the whole meeting.
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Posted 10 June 2026 - 05:52 AM

Trumps attraction to Putler isn't weird, he wants to rule the US like him, he's his hero
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Posted 10 June 2026 - 07:56 AM

 Tiste Simeon, on 09 June 2026 - 09:45 PM, said:

The thing about the car bomb is interesting. Is that likely to be Ukrainian intelligence operatives or Russian rebel factions or who? I figure getting someone in Moscow is not going to be the easiest thing, especially with a car bomb.


Who's to say it wasn't internal Russian elements like the FSB, getting rid of a liability and doing the false flag all at once? That's efficiency.
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Posted 10 June 2026 - 08:33 AM

If its efficient it can't be Russian.

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Posted 10 June 2026 - 10:11 AM

Even a stopped (analogue) clock is right twice a day.
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Posted 10 June 2026 - 02:14 PM

 Tsundoku, on 10 June 2026 - 07:56 AM, said:

 Tiste Simeon, on 09 June 2026 - 09:45 PM, said:

The thing about the car bomb is interesting. Is that likely to be Ukrainian intelligence operatives or Russian rebel factions or who? I figure getting someone in Moscow is not going to be the easiest thing, especially with a car bomb.


Who's to say it wasn't internal Russian elements like the FSB, getting rid of a liability and doing the false flag all at once? That's efficiency.


What are the odds on pissed off relatives of dead soldiers?
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Posted 10 June 2026 - 11:01 PM

Apparently the governor of Sevastopol is in a panic after fuel supplies failed to reach the city for a second day in a row.

Sevastopol is now under a very heavy drone strike, maybe one of the heaviest of the war. Military and fuel targets around the city are being targeted.
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Posted 11 June 2026 - 04:43 PM

Ukraine destroyed the Armyansk bridge near Myrne and took out around 50 Russian trucks in the same attack.

The VNIIR-Progress Defence Facility in Cheboksary has been almost completely destroyed by Flamingo cruise missiles. Neptune cruise missiles destroyed multiple targets in Sevastopol.

Russia has moved troops from Saratov and Voronzeh westwards towards Belarus. The purpose of the maneuvering is unclear. Lukashenko has vociferously denied his country will be used to launch a "meat grinder" attack on Ukraine.

One span of the Henichesk Bridge linking Crimea to the mainland has been destroyed by Ukrainian missiles. The Russians are erecting a pontoon to replace it. The Chonhar Bridge further west is already effectively closed for business. Ukrainian drone commander Magyar confirms that the "complete isolation of the Crimean Peninsula" is the goal of this operation.
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Posted 12 June 2026 - 12:03 AM

And tonight they hit the thrmal power plant in Simferopol'


The fuel outages are spreading to Krasnodar Krai and Rostov Oblast'. There's also some sporadic shortages in some Siberian and Urals regions- which makes sense since they're rerouting supplies to central Muscovy.

Isolating Crimea and causing a logistical collapse there is a relatively cost-effective way to cause a disproportionate resource drain; But it's a long way from that to actual frontline advances.

The orcs are upping their efforts on infiltrating Konstyantynivka; the news from there are.. not great.

They are also throwing in a lot of bodies to stabilize the lines around Stepnohirs'k. So we're not really talking about a fundamental battlefield shift just yet.
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Posted 14 June 2026 - 04:33 PM

Elvira Nabiullina hasn't been seen in public for over a week, amidst rumours she's tried (for the second time) to resign as Central Bank Governor.

The Grey Zone has shifted so far in Ukraine's favour that, in several key sectors, HIMARS are being deployed against Russian SAM systems. The range at which HIMARS had to operate had moved backwards almost to the point of uselessness due to Russian drone dominance, but with that drone dominance now gone, Ukraine can bring some other systems back on line. HIMARS is useful because of both its own shoot-and-scoot ability, but also its ability to hit targets at medium range quickly, before they can also scoot.

Russian recon forces in Kostyantynivka have managed to consolidate some forward positions. The situation in the city remains fluid, with Ukrainian counter-attacks continuing to blunt Russian attacks, but Russia overall is making incremental gains, albeit sometimes of only a few metres per week.

Putin asked a soldier during a medal ceremony if Russian forces were getting closer to Zaporizhzhia City, to which the soldier replied in the affirmative. However, Russian forces on the Dnipro have fallen back some ~20 kilometres from their most forward-advanced recon positions back to the Kamyansk area in the past few months. They're heading the wrong way.

British Royal Marines boarded the Russian shadow fleet tanker Smyrtos in the English Channel and commandeered the ship, the first such operation carried out by British military forces.

CNN claims a 20% recruitment drop for Russian forces in the first quarter of 2026.

Ukrainian drone strikes on power infrastructure in the occupied part of Kherson Oblast left a large part of the Russian-occupied territory without power overnight.

ISW claiming that Russia is prepping an Oreshnik ballistic missile for possible use this week.
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Posted 15 June 2026 - 01:01 AM

Orcs doing another missile barrage on Kyiv. The cathedral of the Kyiv-Pechers'k Lavra and the Dovzhenko Film Studio are on fire. Both highly significant military targets, I'm sure.

In Kharkiv, a missile hit an art museum in the city centre.

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Posted 15 June 2026 - 08:04 AM

Regarding the Brits seizing the shadow fleet vessel, firstly I'm actually proud of us for that (I've not been proud of much recently) but also it makes me laugh.

The Kremlin has said in the past that doing things like this is illegal and borders on international piracy. Like, the disconnect is staggering. Similar to when the Ukrainian forces started taking back ground and even entering Russia, suddenly they were like "this isn't right!" Idiots.
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Posted 15 June 2026 - 09:58 AM

View PostTiste Simeon, on 15 June 2026 - 08:04 AM, said:

Regarding the Brits seizing the shadow fleet vessel, firstly I'm actually proud of us for that (I've not been proud of much recently) but also it makes me laugh.

The Kremlin has said in the past that doing things like this is illegal and borders on international piracy. Like, the disconnect is staggering. Similar to when the Ukrainian forces started taking back ground and even entering Russia, suddenly they were like "this isn't right!" Idiots.


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Posted 15 June 2026 - 01:35 PM

Imagine the impact if this had been done from 2022.
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