[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 14 hours and 29 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Aparal Forge )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Iparth Erule )
2 Votes for Emurlahnis ( Skintick, Emurlahnis )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Silchas Ruin

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 January 2014 - 12:16 PM

[Kilava]

Hentos Ilm:


Does not like the Eldat train and argues against it - but then so did I and several others.

Hentos Ilm, on 22 January 2014 - 01:43 AM, said:

Heyo, I'm back, hopefully until day's end.

Blegh, day one cases always suck. Voting someone for being helpful on day one is galling, that's not enough time or information on thread for gut feeling to develop.

I'd prefer to vote Rikker, since they tried to convince us that not voting on day 1 would be okay because everyone else would vote (it's not like we've had a number of games fairly recently where town failed to get a lynch day one or anything) and then suggested that since Okaros would be MK'd it made no difference - they could have stuck a vote on Okaros, on the off chance town lynches them to get their info, which we wouldn't get from a modkill.

If it's so odd then why are you voting for it? And it wasn't a 'sudden train' until Kara and Hentos made it sudden. Before that, Aparal Forge had voted some time earlier, and Eldat jumped on it because understandably he didn't want to get lynched.

Hentos Ilm, on 22 January 2014 - 02:32 AM, said:

Sudden Rikker train is odd.

But for now

vote Rikker


I can move if necessary, but I prefer Rikker over Eldat

This is Hentos' reaction to being accused of being scum by Eldat. Got to say this is played pretty cool, impossible (for me) to tell whether this is a genuine inno reaction or good scum acting.

Hentos Ilm, on 23 January 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Sorry, I fell asleep last night before mafia-ing. I don't mind if you lynch me, since I'm not scum and Eldat is either scum or a whatsit finder. Crazed finder? Whatever, the one that gets the wrong finds. Sorry, just woke up and kinda dozy.

I'll reserve judgement till I've looked at a few others.

[Kilava]

Karatallid:

Kara basically had one train of thought thus far - possible connection between Rikkter, Iparth, and Kadagar Fant.

Here is the first time he mentions it. Note that actually this is not an original idea, which you might have thought from Kara's framing of it, but actually a copy of what Prazec Goul had said some time earlier.

Karatallid, on 21 January 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 21 January 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

Where the hell did all these new wacky alts come from? "Rikkter"? "Iparth Erule"? and myself, Kadagar Fant? Fant?
Please refer to me as Kadavar Fart from now on.

Anyways, I am here and you will all respect me.

I pondered if this could be Kadagar as symp trying to signal his team, but Iparth was voting for Rikkter before switching.

Kara's vote on Rikkter, which makes more sense in the context of his wanting to follow up on a possible connection as mentioned above, but Kara had to be pushed to explain it.

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 02:30 AM, said:

This is a tough call. I'm around to change.

vote Rikkter

Here is Kara's quite detailed explanation of his reasoning thus far. Note that they seem to be leaning toward an Eldat lynch for day 2 (at this point Eldat only had 1 vote).

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karatalid:

Would you say there's a possibility Eldat Pressen is being framed? Personally I see no problem with vote shifting erratically, as long as the argue for it holds up. I voted on you simply to get a response from you and get your impression of Aparal Forge and Hentos. the more opinions the better really.

Framed? I don't follow. I thought the reason for the initial Eldat train was due to that dday summary he made. When I voted, he had 5 votes, and Rikkter had 4, and we were down to about an hour I believe, and there were enough people on to switch to either train. I said I would be willing to switch, but I went with the only thing of suspicion I could find on my own. The post where Fant mentioned himself, Iparth, and Rikkter felt like considering. At least I don't have to keep thinking about that specific connection. Someone mentioned my lack of contribution yesterday up to a point, so I looked again. All I found was the Fant post and I went with it. I wasn't voting Rikkter because I felt Eldat seemed more innocent. I voted the person who I found my own evidence for being potential scum.

Going after a swing vote maneuver would mean that Eldat is scum. Who knows that Eldat is scum and why didn't they vote for him over Rikkter. There was enough people on to go either way. Everyone was just sitting on their hands, waiting for someone else to make a move. Where is all this Eldat equals scum for sure stuff coming from. We would need Eldat to be scum for a swing train to be viable.

I think we need to know if Eldat is scum before we can go forth with accusing someone for trying to swing the vote. If Eldat does come up as scum, then we could worry about such, in my opinion.

I am loathe to touch Kara really, not just because of the posts above, but because they should be modkilled imminently in any case. Sigh.

[Kilava]

Kadagar Fant. One of our two 'silent runners' as I like to call them, as they've hardly been mentioned at all thus far.


Kadagar's first post of not is an analysis of Skintick's posting and a subsequent vote on them. The argument itself is wishy washy, as it can't seem to decide whether Skin's play is good town being good or bad scum being good.

If it's an effort to discredit the guy most pushing for an Eldat lynch, then it's a weak one, almost as if Kadagar's afraid of attracting too much attention for their efforts.

Kadagar Fant, on 22 January 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

Skintick, on 21 January 2014 - 12:16 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 21 January 2014 - 04:44 AM, said:

So it seems...

So I might as well do something...

So this is a 14 person game, with 2 scum and a symp as per OP.

So 11 town, 3 scum. That means WCS DDay is day 5 I believe, BCS we win in 3 days.

I won't do any town role spec as that only helps scum, and since this game is only TMDI 4 it shouldn't be too complicated anyhow.

Basically we need a Day 1lynch because if we don't lynch we continue the string of Day1 pt. 2's that have become day 2, and that doesn't help us even get a clue as to who may be scum. But in any case, anyone have any suspicions yet? I know we only have 2 pages of talk , and very little substance, but we're already a third of the way through the day.

I am totally copying and pasting this into future M&P games. Succinct, takes care of a lot of the "helpful townie" BS (BCS, WCS, TMDI comment, comment about not helping scum, and a quick plug for a Day 1 lynch), and sounds 100% authentic townie.

Well, totally copying and pasting unless he is scum... Never trust a 100% authentic townie.

Vote Eldat Pressen

Ok, fine reason to call out someone. Gotta push in a few directions day 1 to see what shakes out and establish some connections.

Skintick, on 21 January 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 21 January 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

Im sorta here, not particularly attentive right now though.

My main problem with voting for Rikkter is that hes not here to defend himself, so it seems a bit opportunistic to attack him now. But, should no new options present themselves A lynch is better than a no lynch, and Rikkter witholding his vote seems like he's trying to lay as low as possible. So when time gets short Ill likely add my vote on to him.

No response to my vote in him... Interesting. Lynch better than no lynch party-line, check. Why now not particularly attentive? Stab a being nonchalant is my guess.

I doubt rikker is scum. Stupid townie move in classic technicolor with the token sheep following lynch and hedging that we'd expect from day 1. No one wants to lynch a good townie persona just yet, and that is one of the bad moves we always make.

Vote remains where it is.

No reason I can see why Eldat is a better place to vote than Rikter. This indignant tone rings false to me, like trying to make something out of nothing.

Skintick, on 21 January 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 21 January 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

I think the consensus amongst town players is a lynch is better than no lynch. I don't like to play for modkill. Either that person posts and is involved or they do not. The modkill on day one should not affect us trying for a lynch even with how tenuous that lynch may be. I do agree that there isn't much to go off, more than likely everyone is looking for the scapegoat, the person to make a mistake, or they do not want to be the first to push the boat out.

Remove Vote

Vote Rikkter

Easiest vote I ever did. Town suggesting we don't lynch and telling us he is not going to vote. Good way to stagnate a thread, we more than likely need everyone to vote to get a lynch, or be active and participate to find scum. So yeah Rikky go stand on that fence and not vote because you're worried about modkill on the first fucking day.

Great way to stagnate town, if town is already stagnated that is. Easiest vote? Sounds like laziest vote to me, but whateves. Free country and all.

i would hardly call this stagnate for a day 1. It's a continued push by Skintick on Eldat. That's fine, genuine pushing needs to happen day 1. So far, this seems like good townie play.

Kilava, on 21 January 2014 - 11:56 PM, said:

Skintick, on 21 January 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Kilava, on 21 January 2014 - 11:24 PM, said:

So, reading through:

Skintick, on 20 January 2014 - 06:00 PM, said:

So yet another game with PS on the killer's side, ordaining them and all. Another crazy Santa in the making.

That show reminds me of Minority Report.

What have we here? Refers to only one killer, when we know there are two. Is this:

- Because they are totally inno and haven't paid attention to the number of scum?

- Because they are one of the killers themselves and focusing on that?

- Because they don't know how to use apostrophes properly?

It's like comma-gate all over again.... Try door number three.

Again though, why is one flimsy case more flimsy than the other?

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:51 AM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 22 January 2014 - 12:34 AM, said:

Skintick, on 21 January 2014 - 08:03 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 21 January 2014 - 07:08 PM, said:

Im sorta here, not particularly attentive right now though.

My main problem with voting for Rikkter is that hes not here to defend himself, so it seems a bit opportunistic to attack him now. But, should no new options present themselves A lynch is better than a no lynch, and Rikkter witholding his vote seems like he's trying to lay as low as possible. So when time gets short Ill likely add my vote on to him.

No response to my vote in him... Interesting. Lynch better than no lynch party-line, check. Why now not particularly attentive? Stab a being nonchalant is my guess.

I doubt rikker is scum. Stupid townie move in classic technicolor with the token sheep following lynch and hedging that we'd expect from day 1. No one wants to lynch a good townie persona just yet, and one of the bad moves we always make.

Vote remains where it is.

I was studying for an exam, so yeah, I wasn't paying much attention to mafia

Or you don't need to pay attention...

More pushing.

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 02:55 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 02:47 AM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 02:32 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 02:30 AM, said:

This is a tough call. I'm around to change.

vote Rikkter

Would you like to give us an insight into the workings out which led you to pick Rikkter, while you're around? What internal monologues lie behind 'tough call'?

Eldat's sin was his dday summary, I wanted to test if Kadagar was trying to signal Rikkter and Iparth. I am not the final judge or jury. I said I'm around to switch if needed.

Eldat's sin was writing a picture perfect townie statement and then doing little else during the day, claiming his initial helpfulness was to stimulate discussion towards productive ends. No matter how many times it happens, I never cease to be amazed at people's insistence on going for the "scummy" behavior while ignoring how scum truly act, especially in simple M&Ps.

Interesting comment, care to elaborate on how "scum truly act" oh wise one?

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 03:02 AM, said:

Great "oh you all proved me right you sheeple idiots" reaction-post.


Why do I have an issue with these skintick posts? I actually LIKE his pushing of Eldat. People don't do this enough, or let up the pressure too soon, or say "I'm pushing" which...sort of defeats any bite it might have.

What I DONT like is how this happens at the detriment of all else. He doesn't admit to any other person as being a possible day 1 scum, when in reality there's so little to go on the liklihood of anyone being right seems slim. It's almost like he wanted to set it up just so he can take the high road and call everyone else an idiot. This is rather unhelpful for town. And, by pushing one angle and visibly discarding all others, he limits the connections that anyone can make to him to that one person he's pushing on.

So in summary,

Pushing = good town

poo-pooing everything else and effectively eliminating all other connections = suspicious behavior.

Vote Skintick

[Kilava]

Kadagar dissects the trains from day 1 and comes up with myself as possible suspect. Once again, though, it's all a bit wishy washy. At the end they say that they don't see anything overtly scummy from the train and the changes in voting, almost a 'let's move on past this, guys.'

Kadagar Fant, on 23 January 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 02:37 AM, said:

Alright, looks like the mob has spoken and it will be Rikkter.

Remove Vote

Vote Rikkter

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

Ok, for what it's worth in terms of cases, if I had been on I probably would have voted Rikter because it would have made marginally more sense to me, so I can't necessarily fault anyone for going that way per se. What's weird is how 2 votes came almost simulatenously, and then 2 more did later. It was a classic big swap.

It's not Karat that I find suspicious here though, but Kilava because they were the first person we can genuinely say gave into momentum and CHANGED votes. The others just added their vote, for better or worse, to what they saw as more likely. Kilava's switch almost confirmed that this was the way it "had" to go.

That being said, honestly, I think that any train links at the moment are rather weak overall. Not to say there aren't scum in there, but I don't see anything overwhelmingly scummy.

Heh, with the post below, I couldn't help mentally adding, "but we lose our finder...because I'm going to kill you," on to the end of Kadagar's sentence.

Kadagar Fant, on 23 January 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

FACEPALM AMPELAS.

We test the reveal, it turns out to be false, at worst we lost a day. Now we don't lost the day, sure, but we lose our finder. What the fuck.

Remove Vote
Vote Eldat

And Kadagar has one or two pre-emptive bites at me whilst Eldat is being lynched off.

Kadagar Fant, on 23 January 2014 - 01:59 PM, said:

Kilava, on 23 January 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Skintick, on 23 January 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

You are inconsequential if you are the symp. I already ignore you, which takes away your power. If I am wrong about you, then I screw us over by ignoring the other killer, but I still have that possibility at the back of my mind. Troll away ugly.

Bit rich for you to call me ugly. Have you looked at your avatar?



On the game side of things, I'm liking how real sides are being formed on this reveal debate, very juicy.

Setting up your cases already?

There isn't much of a debate. One of them is lying. If Amp, he's probably symp with Hentos as killer, or Amp as symp with Hentos caught in the shitstorm. Or if Amp is telling the truth, we nail one today. We're no where near D-Day so we can play this one out with fair confidence.

I didn't actually notice that Kadagar had this supposed suspicion of me until going through his posts just now, probably because it's all just been weakly pushed. Ironic as Kadagar professes in the first quoted post above to admire Skin's style of pushy play, but acts the complete opposite themselves.

[Skintick]

Damn site crapped out on me earlier, so you will have to suffer a briefer, less eloquent explanation.

I reread everything and I retract my vote on Emur. He was supporting the lynch of eldat too much on day two. Having my ass grabbed on day 1 was suspicious, but I doubt now he's the killer.

However, what do we know of Silchas ruin? I don't see much activity and he appears to have been hesitant to vote eldat. Also, as for he swing voters versus the non voters, I doubt the paired killer would risk being directly linked to a swing vote. Maybe sideline manipulation, but only sumps would be likely to be directly involved.

K fart is also looking odd to me but as I said, lost my more eloquent post and have to be brief.

remove vote, vote Silchas ruin

[Kilava]

The other silent runner - Silchas Ruin:


Not much at all to say the first day, day after has a bit of a go at Skintick, painting possible symp suspicion on them.

Silchas Ruin, on 22 January 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 22 January 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

I stick to my guns. Symps generally don't. Q.E.D.

Guilty conscience there much? No one accused you of being a Symp...

reading fail coooooombo. I guess I have to spell it out again for those not into readin long posts all the way through:

I am calling kiliva the symp dumbass

I mean I understand you trying to deflect when you make a mistake like that, but do you really think being antagonistic as you have been is a good deflection tool for a symp? That is precisely how a symp would play...

Reaction to the finder reveals. More suspicious of Ampelas than Eldat - though his reasoning behind why Ampelas should not have revealed is in line with some others.

Silchas Ruin, on 23 January 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

A reveal and counter reveal. And either tardtick can't read or doesn't believe Ampelas.

We do need to lynch to test the reveal today. Ampelas' counter reveal bugs me a lot because if Hentos comes up inno, then we know Eldat is lying and get him the next night.

Now, with this reveal, he is just begging to get nked if Eldat is scum.

And then pours a bit more suspicion on Ampelas' reveal. If Silchas is the other killer, then this is a dangerous game to play, because one way or another we would be finding out the truth between Ampelas and Eldat.

Silchas Ruin, on 23 January 2014 - 01:52 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 23 January 2014 - 01:00 PM, said:

Don't have much time to post, and won't have much time today because I'm in meetings all day, but that is just about the worst reveal I've ever read. If he found Hentos as scum, why in the world did he sit back and do nothing all day? Had I been a finder and found Hentos as scum, I would have spent the day trying to get Hentos lynched. As it is, he mostly sat back and tried to coast through the day. I don't believe the reveal, neither should anyone else.

You haven't been on Eldat all day. You were hopping around at the beginning of the day. But apparently you can preach what you would do without doing it?

So there is definite hesitancy there in voting for Eldat following Ampelas' reveal. I don't know if a killer would be that on-the-nose though if their partner was in so much trouble. Hmm. Possible symp instead?

[Kilava]

I have to head off now, may or may not have time to look at Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Iparth Erule, and Skin later (it would be nice if someone else had a go too).


Edit: Forgot Emur.

This post has been edited by Kilava: 24 January 2014 - 03:23 PM

[Iparth Erule]

Kilava, on 24 January 2014 - 03:22 PM, said:

I have to head off now, may or may not have time to look at Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Iparth Erule, and Skin later (it would be nice if someone else had a go too).


Edit: Forgot Emur.

I don't know if I have the time to do a player by player analysis but I welcome yours

[Emurlahnis]

Glad town seems to have collectively sharp instincts. Either way this is likely end game for me so can't sit back on a self vote If I can help bring down scum.

I welcome more analysis on me but need to stake my opinion while I can.

I'm reading through Kilavas post on Fant and I'm kinda surprised at how bad Fant looks in retro-vision. I honestly didn't think much of him till I quoted PS Day 1. My re-read has me agreeing with the likelihood Fant is killer 2. Like me, He wasn't on the train at all. If we assume the symp was on the Rik train I notice Fant avoided being visible in the swing debates that built up afterwards, perhaps believing Hentos AF or Kara was his symp. Kilavas case shows Fant tried to lessen the heat on Eldat with little actual success. I believe its not a coincidence that both Eldat and Fant slid in and out of activity with convenient RL excuses Day 1. Then Fant switches tactics Day 2 with occasional commentary but very little substance.

Eldat could have set us after the symp by drawing our attention to the vote swing with his fake reveal while our Killer hides in a much less complex position. The Day 1 position I share with Fant. perhaps a bit WIFOM though...

The thing is Fant is low posting, missed most of Day 1 with an RL excuse, not sure if anyone else used this tac but once bitten twice shy if this was a good enough trick for Eldat might be a good enough tac for killer 2. Fant was also second to last on the Eldat train, barely makes it infact... Iparth Erule had the hammer without really realizing it I think. I know I didn't. right now this case checks out for me.

Fant also only really voted for Skintick and Eldat. No pressure votes, nothing really memorable to get town more info and no "waves".

It's like quoting the book on Scum tactics,

"Chapter 1: Coasting for your life."

I wonder how he'll respond. The trump cards have all been played, we had the finder reveal, the vig reveal(yet to be official) and I think theres no chance we have a "secret healer" because Ampelas is very very dead. I'm still sure we have symp on the Rik train. Silchus warrants some pressure and I'm not above some more consideration but our killers have been tricksy. I think I'm happy to act on Fant with this current case laid against him. would like more on forge, but maybe inconsequetial if he's a symp or being fake symped.

Remove Vote

Vote Kadagar Fant

[Skintick]

I would definite support a fart lynch today, but I'd hope Silchas would also be dead on the morrow. Those two are top of my list.

[Path-Shaper]

The gathered townsfolk paused in their discussions, wondering at the silence from one of their number. A question went unanswered, another too. A tentative tap to the shoulder made a hollow sound. Removing the figures robes took some effort and revealed an old tailors dummy, artfully posed. Folk gasped - how long had it been there they wondered, how had they not realised? That was another meal lost they concluded, glaring at one another as if to dare them to try something similar.


Karatallid has been modkilled. They were Brujah


It is Day 3. 8 hours and 30 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Aparal Forge )
1 Vote for Kadagar Fant ( Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Silchas Ruin ( Skintick )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Kadagar Fant, Kilava, Silchas Ruin

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 24 January 2014 - 07:04 PM

[Skintick]

Path-Shaper, on 24 January 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

The gathered townsfolk paused in their discussions, wondering at the silence from one of their number. A question went unanswered, another too. A tentative tap to the shoulder made a hollow sound. Removing the figures robes took some effort and revealed an old tailors dummy, artfully posed. Folk gasped - how long had it been there they wondered, how had they not realised? That was another meal lost they concluded, glaring at one another as if to dare them to try something similar.


Karatallid has been modkilled. They were Brujah


It is Day 3. 8 hours and 30 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Emurlahnis ( Skintick, Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Aparal Forge )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Kadagar Fant, Kilava, Silchas Ruin

Hey ps I switched my vote btw.

And I told you the ps was on their side....

[Path-Shaper]

Skintick, on 24 January 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

Hey ps I switched my vote btw.

And I told you the ps was on their side....

Nothing to see here, move along

[Skintick]

Kilava, on 24 January 2014 - 02:00 PM, said:

Hentos Ilm:


Does not like the Eldat train and argues against it - but then so did I and several others.

Hentos Ilm, on 22 January 2014 - 01:43 AM, said:

Heyo, I'm back, hopefully until day's end.

Blegh, day one cases always suck. Voting someone for being helpful on day one is galling, that's not enough time or information on thread for gut feeling to develop.

I'd prefer to vote Rikker, since they tried to convince us that not voting on day 1 would be okay because everyone else would vote (it's not like we've had a number of games fairly recently where town failed to get a lynch day one or anything) and then suggested that since Okaros would be MK'd it made no difference - they could have stuck a vote on Okaros, on the off chance town lynches them to get their info, which we wouldn't get from a modkill.

If it's so odd then why are you voting for it? And it wasn't a 'sudden train' until Kara and Hentos made it sudden. Before that, Aparal Forge had voted some time earlier, and Eldat jumped on it because understandably he didn't want to get lynched.

Hentos Ilm, on 22 January 2014 - 02:32 AM, said:

Sudden Rikker train is odd.

But for now

vote Rikker


I can move if necessary, but I prefer Rikker over Eldat

This is Hentos' reaction to being accused of being scum by Eldat. Got to say this is played pretty cool, impossible (for me) to tell whether this is a genuine inno reaction or good scum acting.

Hentos Ilm, on 23 January 2014 - 01:37 PM, said:

Sorry, I fell asleep last night before mafia-ing. I don't mind if you lynch me, since I'm not scum and Eldat is either scum or a whatsit finder. Crazed finder? Whatever, the one that gets the wrong finds. Sorry, just woke up and kinda dozy.

I'll reserve judgement till I've looked at a few others.

Problem is that eldat fingered him, which does not make him town per say, but does make a strong case against him being the partner killer. I think scum were counting on either the absence of a finder or at least a delayed reveal. We would need two simultaneously ballsy or dense scum to have one killer finger their partner.

[Kadagar Fant]

My post about skintick was NOT wishy washy. If it's being read that way then the point has been missed. To put it succinctly (which I did at the very end of that post) was I found skintick scummy because he was doing a very good townie thing by applying real pressure, but was doing it while turning and rather pissy eye at any other suspect/argument. The reason it seemed like I was praising Skin at the same time is that, I was. Most townies apply pressure by saying "I'm applying pressure" and "I'll switch votes later" which is a fucking retarded way of doing it as it applies no pressure whatsover. It was the latter part of "And I will violently poo-poo all other arguments" that rubbed me the wrong way about Skintick.

Also, if you note my comments during the reveal fest, it should be easy to tell that I came down on the side of Amp as the real finder, and voted accordingly.

As for low posting, that's something I can't help at the moment and it's not going to change anytime in the near future. For what it's worth, I AM paying attention, i.e. I am some bored useless townie who will sheeple down the stretch. I can't defend against my low-posting, but I do think I'm being unfairly represented by Kilava.

Who do I suspect? I don't have a clear "seems like a killer" in my mind right now, but I think Kilava makes a good candidate for symp. And this case on me is just another symp attempt to muddy things up and get us off track. Off Emur's track...?I'm not sure about that. Emur has defended himself relatively well.

I know, vote the master not the symp, but I don't really have an idea who the master is so I'll do the next best thing.

Vote Kilava

[Kadagar Fant]

Fuck, that should read "I am NOT some bored useless townie."

derp

[Skintick]

Kadagar Fant, on 24 January 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

Fuck, that should read "I am NOT some bored useless townie."

derp

You have a lot more problems than that dude. Voting for a symp, really? How does that even help other than providing the overconfident, unfounded smug self satisfaction that you potentially eliminated scum with no proof, and thus no useful information.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 4 hours and 18 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Aparal Forge, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Kilava, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Aparal Forge )
1 Vote for Kilava ( Kadagar Fant )
1 Vote for Silchas Ruin ( Skintick )
1 Vote for Kadagar Fant ( Emurlahnis )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Kilava, Silchas Ruin

Mod notice: The weekend freeze will begin when this day ends. It will be night until the end of the freeze. You may still talk during the freeze but votes will not be counted.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 25 January 2014 - 12:20 AM

[Skintick]

Any chance night can be resolved instantly if all the provisionals are in? I hate to wait a weekend to see if Kiliva is lying his ass off.