[Ampelas]

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 05:36 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

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vote Karatallid

Ampelas, on 21 January 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 21 January 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 21 January 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

Where the hell did all these new wacky alts come from? "Rikkter"? "Iparth Erule"? and myself, Kadagar Fant? Fant?
Please refer to me as Kadavar Fart from now on.

Anyways, I am here and you will all respect me.

I pondered if this could be Kadagar as symp trying to signal his team, but Iparth was voting for Rikkter before switching.

That's actually an interesting idea. There are a few possible solutions to why Iparth would be voting for Rikkter regardless of them being teammates, one being that he was trying right away to disconnect himself from Rikkter, secondly that maybe the killers don't know each other (though I doubt this).

I only cited for one person, I didn't flop around all day. We were running out of time and the only two possible trains were Eldat and Rikkter. I went with my best choice. I wanted to see if there was anything connecting Fant, Iparth, and Rikkter and you were one of the ones who made me think on it further, and now you vote me for it. You're switching from vote to vote, and with you're agreeing with my idea and then voting me for going with it. I'd vote you back if it wouldn't appear a retaliation vote.

I considered Eldat and Rikkter, and went with the best choice. Nowhere does that mean I'd no longer look at Eldat.

You're right, I did agree that it was an interesting idea. Given that Rikkter came up town, I'm liking it a bit less though!

I'm with Emurlahnis, though - I'd like to hear your thoughts about Eldat, Aparal Forge and Hentos.

To add to that, if Iparth were a symp, doing what he did to throw a bad signal out would be pretty beautiful... I think of everything that was brought up as 'evidence' against Rikkter yesterday, that was probably one of the strongest points against him, in my opinion.

But then, it could very well have just been someone who didn't know who the characters were - a couple games ago I jumped down someone's throat for claiming they hadn't read all of tMBotF because I couldn't conceive of someone on this site not having read them all. I ended up being very wrong about that, so I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt - which could mean that you're using it to try to frame Iparth.

I don't particularly like you for scum, but I certainly want some more information from you before I discout it completely.

What are you talking about? It was Fant who made that post not Iparth. You're not even following or making sense now. Fant would have had to be the symp in such a scenario. I'm worried about what you're trying to do here, Ampelas. You're looking more and more suspect.

Shit, well, sorry, you're right, that was meant to say Fant, not Iparth. It doesn't change the argument aside from who I was talking about, though. It certainly has potential to make you look just as scummy as it makes Fant look.

[Ampelas]

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 05:32 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karatalid:

Would you say there's a possibility Eldat Pressen is being framed? Personally I see no problem with vote shifting erratically, as long as the argue for it holds up. I voted on you simply to get a response from you and get your impression of Aparal Forge and Hentos. the more opinions the better really.

Framed? I don't follow. I thought the reason for the initial Eldat train was due to that dday summary he made. When I voted, he had 5 votes, and Rikkter had 4, and we were down to about an hour I believe, and there were enough people on to switch to either train. I said I would be willing to switch, but I went with the only thing of suspicion I could find on my own. The post where Fant mentioned himself, Iparth, and Rikkter felt like considering. At least I don't have to keep thinking about that specific connection. Someone mentioned my lack of contribution yesterday up to a point, so I looked again. All I found was the Fant post and I went with it. I wasn't voting Rikkter because I felt Eldat seemed more innocent. I voted the person who I found my own evidence for being potential scum.

Going after a swing vote maneuver would mean that Eldat is scum. Who knows that Eldat is scum and why didn't they vote for him over Rikkter. There was enough people on to go either way. Everyone was just sitting on their hands, waiting for someone else to make a move. Where is all this Eldat equals scum for sure stuff coming from. We would need Eldat to be scum for a swing train to be viable.

I think we need to know if Eldat is scum before we can go forth with accusing someone for trying to swing the vote. If Eldat does come up as scum, then we could worry about such, in my opinion.

I can agree with this, but I'd still like to get a bit more out of the potential swingers...

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vote Aparal Forge

There's still a bunch of time left in the day, so let's see what Aparal has to say, then, eh?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 19 hours and 32 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Aparal Forge ( Iparth Erule, Ampelas )
2 Votes for Iparth Erule ( Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )
1 Vote for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin

[Emurlahnis]

When I say its possible Eldat was framed I mean to imply that the case on Eldat is bogus. Eldat could just be canon fodder like Rikkter turned out to be. I feel that Scum are trying to divide votes more than they are trying to distract us from one vote or the other. I think Town needs to fix on a decision. to clear up Day 1 business and lynch Eldat (On this I'd like more from Eldat if possible.) or to leave off it and start pressuring those behind dividing the day 1 vote.

Of the latter group Aparal Forge and Hentos still need to speak their cases regarding the swing. Aparal more so than Hentos IMO. If we get nothing from them things might turn into a train.

Atm I feel the real danger is keeping Eldat around without some proof he is a townie. The evidence around him is thin but its all the goings on afterwards that has me worried. If Eldat CFs townie it leads us down a rabbit hole with Skintick at the end. Skinticks been too vocal about this to be an obvious symp playing an angle.

I hope a better player than me can read Eldats situation a bit more concisely. At the moment I'm gonna stay my vote. Stick to my original intention, the more info on the swing the better.

[Emurlahnis]

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

So we're looking at the swing train, focusing on number one, two and three? That sounds like a great plan. Will shift my vote to get more out of them. My personal suspicions aren't concrete as yet. I believe Scum to be amidst the low posters. I expected an MK by now. The next best thing is to take a look at the swing train. If Pressen is scum, we need to assume he had help squeezing out of a lynch train.


I like Karatalid over AF for reasons stated above but still find value in Skintick and Kilavas discussions. I don't think we can divulge definite scum play so early on though but If I were to contribute to that whole argument: Scum is influencing the game while keeping quiet.

Vote Karatalid

I also think Pressen might be the best eventual lynch but lets get info from the swing train first.

@ PS:

I voted Karatalid earlier

I'm happy with that vote for now until we get more from AF and Hentos

[Ampelas]

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

So we're looking at the swing train, focusing on number one, two and three? That sounds like a great plan. Will shift my vote to get more out of them. My personal suspicions aren't concrete as yet. I believe Scum to be amidst the low posters. I expected an MK by now. The next best thing is to take a look at the swing train. If Pressen is scum, we need to assume he had help squeezing out of a lynch train.


I like Karatalid over AF for reasons stated above but still find value in Skintick and Kilavas discussions. I don't think we can divulge definite scum play so early on though but If I were to contribute to that whole argument: Scum is influencing the game while keeping quiet.

Vote Karatalid

I also think Pressen might be the best eventual lynch but lets get info from the swing train first.

@ PS:

I voted Karatalid earlier

I'm happy with that vote for now until we get more from AF and Hentos

Looks like you never removed from Iparth.

[Ampelas]

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

When I say its possible Eldat was framed I mean to imply that the case on Eldat is bogus. Eldat could just be canon fodder like Rikkter turned out to be. I feel that Scum are trying to divide votes more than they are trying to distract us from one vote or the other. I think Town needs to fix on a decision. to clear up Day 1 business and lynch Eldat (On this I'd like more from Eldat if possible.) or to leave off it and start pressuring those behind dividing the day 1 vote.

Of the latter group Aparal Forge and Hentos still need to speak their cases regarding the swing. Aparal more so than Hentos IMO. If we get nothing from them things might turn into a train.

Atm I feel the real danger is keeping Eldat around without some proof he is a townie. The evidence around him is thin but its all the goings on afterwards that has me worried. If Eldat CFs townie it leads us down a rabbit hole with Skintick at the end. Skinticks been too vocal about this to be an obvious symp playing an angle.

I hope a better player than me can read Eldats situation a bit more concisely. At the moment I'm gonna stay my vote. Stick to my original intention, the more info on the swing the better.

I think this is a pretty clear picture of the Eldat situation. Until we actually get a CF on Eldat, the failed lynch train on him will be a whole butt-load of WIFOM.

Don't get me wrong, I intend on voting Eldat before we get too far into Day 2, as I think we need to lynch him to be certain that the failed lynch could, in fact, be a derailment as opposed to people just disliking the case against him. And you're right, if he turns up townie, then we have good reason to take a closer look at Skintick, though I suspect that Skintick's a townie regardless given his narrow scope and vocal grandstanding about how he MUST be right cause DUH!

Anyway, my vote stays on Aparal for now, as I'd really like to hear more from him than his current pile of nothingness.

[Eldat Pressen]

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 07:34 PM, said:

When I say its possible Eldat was framed I mean to imply that the case on Eldat is bogus. Eldat could just be canon fodder like Rikkter turned out to be. I feel that Scum are trying to divide votes more than they are trying to distract us from one vote or the other. I think Town needs to fix on a decision. to clear up Day 1 business and lynch Eldat (On this I'd like more from Eldat if possible.) or to leave off it and start pressuring those behind dividing the day 1 vote.

Of the latter group Aparal Forge and Hentos still need to speak their cases regarding the swing. Aparal more so than Hentos IMO. If we get nothing from them things might turn into a train.

Atm I feel the real danger is keeping Eldat around without some proof he is a townie. The evidence around him is thin but its all the goings on afterwards that has me worried. If Eldat CFs townie it leads us down a rabbit hole with Skintick at the end. Skinticks been too vocal about this to be an obvious symp playing an angle.

I hope a better player than me can read Eldats situation a bit more concisely. At the moment I'm gonna stay my vote. Stick to my original intention, the more info on the swing the better.

This is why asking others why they swung the vote is a good idea. I don't doubt that there's at least a symp on the swing trying to frame me, if not a killer. That they still havent spoken up about 16 hours after night ended is starting to be suspicious , and the longer it goes the more suspicious it gets. If they don't talk before we reach about 10 hrs left I'll be laying my vote down on one of them.

[Emurlahnis]

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

So we're looking at the swing train, focusing on number one, two and three? That sounds like a great plan. Will shift my vote to get more out of them. My personal suspicions aren't concrete as yet. I believe Scum to be amidst the low posters. I expected an MK by now. The next best thing is to take a look at the swing train. If Pressen is scum, we need to assume he had help squeezing out of a lynch train.


I like Karatalid over AF for reasons stated above but still find value in Skintick and Kilavas discussions. I don't think we can divulge definite scum play so early on though but If I were to contribute to that whole argument: Scum is influencing the game while keeping quiet.

Vote Karatalid

I also think Pressen might be the best eventual lynch but lets get info from the swing train first.

@ PS:

I voted Karatalid earlier

I'm happy with that vote for now until we get more from AF and Hentos

Looks like you never removed from Iparth.

Damn looks like you're right. missed that

Remove Vote

Vote Karatalid.

For consistency. I don't think switching from this vote will set a good precedent and I have yet to get a definate read on the three players in question while Karatalids response had good info. Gonna ride my intended and now actual vote till developments from Aparal Forge or Hentos Ilm come about.

Eldat still sticking to his guns on IE despite a reply showing a desire to get more out of our swing voters, interesting. Eldat still not taking Skintick on directly is just as interesting. Not sure what conclusions to draw from this. Could it be his trying to spread the votes, avoid vote switching to seem less scummy or genuinely more certain IE is scum than any candidate thus far,

One issue at a time I guess and we have some hours to spare for a re-read. If both AF and HI keep silent by morning I'll switch onto them for pressure.

[Eldat Pressen]

Since im here, ill respond to you:

I'm leaving my vote on IE until we get to less than 10 hrs remaining( about 5 hrs from now) to vote a swing voter) because while IE did have a good response to his votes, just the way he phrased his votes and stuff jumped out at me as a possible slip.

On skintick: There's really not much to say. He thinks me trying to be productive is scummy because its too townie, and got people to listen to him. But votes swung onto Rikkter, he threw a tantrum and now continues to tunnel onto only me while ignoring the people who swung the votes away from me. Instead of letting skintick distract me from trying to actually find scum, I figured I'd let him speak himself hoarse while I focused on my suspects, mainly the swing voters who may have tried to frame me, and IE if the swing voters respond in a way that is reasonable and makes me believe that they're not scum. Of course, he's not here right now, but even so I don't see the point in giving him the reaction he seems to want so badly, which I believe would make him tunnel onto me even more , using my reaction to support his gut case that, while it convinced people day 1, doesn't stand without the vote swing. And to use the vote swing as evidence, he needs to actually talk to the swingers, which I haven't seen thus far, unless I missed something.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 14 hours and 7 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Aparal Forge ( Iparth Erule, Ampelas )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Iparth Erule ( Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )
1 Vote for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin

[Aparal Forge]

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

I explained my reasoning for voting Eldat in my post where I voted for him. The main one being that having two possible trains was going to gain us more information than if everyone had just piled on the Eldat train. I didn't think either case was expecially strong.

I also disagree that it was my vote and Eldats that swung the train. I was around and willing to change, and had stated so on thread. It was the later to consecutive votes by Hentos and Kara that swung the train.

You are also wrong in saying that it was the third and fourth votes on the train that swung the vote, whichever version of swinging you believe. When I voted you had already switched votes. At that point I was the second vote on the train. In fact, when Kara voted the Eldat train still had more votes than the Rikkter one.

[Aparal Forge]

Oops, long day, obviously I meant where I voted Rikkter in the above post.

[Ampelas]

Well, I'm back to check on things, and there are, uh, 6 new posts.... Whole lot of nothing happening today. I'm happy to see that Aparal has come out of the woodwork. I have said before that I didn't think Aparal was responsible for the swing, and he's reinforced that to me. I've also said that my intention was always to vote for Eldat. Not sure whether or not I'll be around when day times out, so I'll

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vote Eldat Pressen

Hoping I'll make it back before Day times out, and hoping that we've heard a bit from Hentos by that time. Would be nice to get some participation from Okaros too. A whole 1 post since the game started isn't very useful.

[Eldat Pressen]

So Hentos still hasn't said a thing yet, and so for now, for some pressure, I'll

Vote Hentos Ilm

Hopefully he'll give some information at some point before time out.

[Eldat Pressen]

Wait, never removed from IE...

Remove Vote,


Vote Hentos Ilm

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 10 hours and 30 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Aparal Forge ( Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )
2 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas )

Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin

[Aparal Forge]

Looks like my attempt to gain more info for the thread has left us in the situation where all the information given from the vote trains is useless unless we know Eldat's CF. Not knowing that will likely leave much of the thread converstation hung up on the Rikkter train. If Eldat is scum, looking there is fine, but we need to have that settled.

But we need more from Okaros and Hentos too. For now:

Vote Eldat

I'll be around for a bit, and can certainly change that before time out.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 9 hours and 40 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hentos Ilm ( Eldat Pressen )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )
1 Vote for Aparal Forge ( Iparth Erule )
3 Votes for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick, Ampelas, Aparal Forge )

Players not voted: Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin

[Iparth Erule]

I guess there is no point arguing with you Aparal Forge until we know the Eldat CF. You say two trains is better than one but that vote swing is a major help to team scum. Two trains is better than one if it takes the whole day to get to that point but with an hour to go it's not good for town.

Remove Vote

Vote Eldat Pressen