[Kilava]

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Fascinating Fart. I believe this is one of the only times my arguments have been turned back on me Touche'

Scum act like good townies, or they hide, or they slip up and make an obvious mistake, or or or. Yeah, scum don't have one MO, easy to argue, easy to see. Problem is that some behavior gets more weight than others and that being a good townie gets you a PI despite all subtle evidence to the contrary.

Moral: Suspect everyone you myopic motherfuckers.



Yes, I pushed Eldat to the exclusion of all else. I've found that especially on day one, failure to stick to your guns makes you "wishy-washy" and fails to bag you a head so to speak. It can be overdone, but the change in momentum was obvious and all crabby nagging at the end was futile spouting against a flock of the aforementioned.

I still think Eldat is scummy as hell, particularly in reaction to the pressure on him, first ignoring the votes until called on it (oh my, I wasn't paying attention. Sorry people) and then regurgitating real life troubles that may or may not be present, I think people use such drivel freely regardless of whether or not it's even remotely true. And for someone claiming to be helpful, he sure vanished quickly once the heat was on. I can just hear the behind the scenes whispering about laying low closely followed by, psst hey, you're building votes, speak up dude!

Other behavior worth mentioning, now that it is day two, is Kiliva for jumping on insignificant details just as momentum is gaining traction on Eldat (I was calling him on his BS at the time if you need a reference point). I think Kiliva wins a symp award for such behavior, especially in instigating a move from the Eldat train to the Rikkter train (earlier he had stated he liked that later less than the former in terms of cases). Why would a symp vote for their master (or if I am wrong, their partner)? Deniability. At the time, Eldat looked like the way of the future, and you'll notice how fast Kiliva jumped that ship when the opportunity presented.

Finally, IE is a fairly worthwhile target, although I am getting the feeling that he is more like Rikkter than Eldat in being careless with his forming of the Rikkter case in the first place, and thus hanging up a noose for himself as well. That is why I called him on his "easiest vote ever" and didn't end up making a case on him. Again, similar to Rikkter, careless vibe was stronger than the scummy vibe....

But maybe you all still need a few more days to think about good townie strongly correlates with scummy identification. That's ok. It's not like I'm new to this persistently wrong worldview or anything. Only way to make an ironclad case Kiliva is to ironclad the idiots that ignore it. In the meantime:

Vote Eldat

Instigating?

Jumping on insignificant details? How about not doing that very thing you've just been accused of doing yourself - i.e. focusing on one thing and one thing only to the exclusion of all else.

You're just mad because I teased you, and you are a touchy little one.

I am tempted to vote Eldat just so we can see how wrong you will likely turn out to be.

[Skintick]

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 12:48 PM, said:

Fascinating Fart. I believe this is one of the only times my arguments have been turned back on me Touche'

Scum act like good townies, or they hide, or they slip up and make an obvious mistake, or or or. Yeah, scum don't have one MO, easy to argue, easy to see. Problem is that some behavior gets more weight than others and that being a good townie gets you a PI despite all subtle evidence to the contrary.

Moral: Suspect everyone you myopic motherfuckers.



Yes, I pushed Eldat to the exclusion of all else. I've found that especially on day one, failure to stick to your guns makes you "wishy-washy" and fails to bag you a head so to speak. It can be overdone, but the change in momentum was obvious and all crabby nagging at the end was futile spouting against a flock of the aforementioned.

I still think Eldat is scummy as hell, particularly in reaction to the pressure on him, first ignoring the votes until called on it (oh my, I wasn't paying attention. Sorry people) and then regurgitating real life troubles that may or may not be present, I think people use such drivel freely regardless of whether or not it's even remotely true. And for someone claiming to be helpful, he sure vanished quickly once the heat was on. I can just hear the behind the scenes whispering about laying low closely followed by, psst hey, you're building votes, speak up dude!

Other behavior worth mentioning, now that it is day two, is Kiliva for jumping on insignificant details just as momentum is gaining traction on Eldat (I was calling him on his BS at the time if you need a reference point). I think Kiliva wins a symp award for such behavior, especially in instigating a move from the Eldat train to the Rikkter train (earlier he had stated he liked that later less than the former in terms of cases). Why would a symp vote for their master (or if I am wrong, their partner)? Deniability. At the time, Eldat looked like the way of the future, and you'll notice how fast Kiliva jumped that ship when the opportunity presented.

Finally, IE is a fairly worthwhile target, although I am getting the feeling that he is more like Rikkter than Eldat in being careless with his forming of the Rikkter case in the first place, and thus hanging up a noose for himself as well. That is why I called him on his "easiest vote ever" and didn't end up making a case on him. Again, similar to Rikkter, careless vibe was stronger than the scummy vibe....

But maybe you all still need a few more days to think about good townie strongly correlates with scummy identification. That's ok. It's not like I'm new to this persistently wrong worldview or anything. Only way to make an ironclad case Kiliva is to ironclad the idiots that ignore it. In the meantime:

Vote Eldat

Instigating?

Jumping on insignificant details? How about not doing that very thing you've just been accused of doing yourself - i.e. focusing on one thing and one thing only to the exclusion of all else.

You're just mad because I teased you, and you are a touchy little one.

I am tempted to vote Eldat just so we can see how wrong you will likely turn out to be.

You already did, and dropped it like a hot potato. If you can hang on to the vote, you win the booby prize.

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

[Skintick]

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

I stick to my guns. Symps generally don't. Q.E.D.

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

I stick to my guns. Symps generally don't. Q.E.D.

Symps generally don't...what? Focus on just one player? O-kay, leaving aside the fact that that is a gross generalisation - who's accusing you of being a symp? I'm just accusing you of being a spaz.

[Silchas Ruin]

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

I stick to my guns. Symps generally don't. Q.E.D.

Guilty conscience there much? No one accused you of being a Symp...

[Skintick]

Silchas Ruin, on 22 January 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

I stick to my guns. Symps generally don't. Q.E.D.

Guilty conscience there much? No one accused you of being a Symp...

reading fail coooooombo. I guess I have to spell it out again for those not into readin long posts all the way through:

I am calling kiliva the symp dumbass

[Kilava]

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 22 January 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

I stick to my guns. Symps generally don't. Q.E.D.

Guilty conscience there much? No one accused you of being a Symp...

reading fail coooooombo. I guess I have to spell it out again for those not into readin long posts all the way through:

I am calling kiliva the symp dumbass

Apologies, I tend to ignore things which people say about me that aren't true. QED bingo bango bongo.

[Silchas Ruin]

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:32 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 22 January 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:10 PM, said:

Kilava, on 22 January 2014 - 01:07 PM, said:

Skintick, on 22 January 2014 - 01:02 PM, said:

Oh, and at least my "insignificant" details were about one suspect, not several.

Uh, yeah, that was the critical point being levelled against you, dude...


As for dropping the vote, sure I did, when it became obvious that Rikkter was the only viable lynch for the day. I believe you switched too once it was totally and thoroughly obvious that your pouting and foot-stomping was making everyone feel just a bit awkward to be in the same room as you.

I stick to my guns. Symps generally don't. Q.E.D.

Guilty conscience there much? No one accused you of being a Symp...

reading fail coooooombo. I guess I have to spell it out again for those not into readin long posts all the way through:

I am calling kiliva the symp dumbass

I mean I understand you trying to deflect when you make a mistake like that, but do you really think being antagonistic as you have been is a good deflection tool for a symp? That is precisely how a symp would play...

[Ampelas]

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

[Iparth Erule]

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

I would like to hear more from them as well. I don't want to just vote for Eldat and let the others off the hook, the more information the better. I think Eldat may be the best lynch for today but I want answers from the swingers.

I disagree somewhat regarding Hentos because they said it felt weird. There would be no swing without Aparal pushing it, at that stage it wasn't needed, we only needed 4 for the lynch and time running out with 1 hour to go. Instead of pushing that lynch through, they switched to Rikkter. I can see why with Kara because they came through and added to the momentum. I can see one of them being a symp sowing confusion or protecting their master.

[Ampelas]

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

I would like to hear more from them as well. I don't want to just vote for Eldat and let the others off the hook, the more information the better. I think Eldat may be the best lynch for today but I want answers from the swingers.

I disagree somewhat regarding Hentos because they said it felt weird. There would be no swing without Aparal pushing it, at that stage it wasn't needed, we only needed 4 for the lynch and time running out with 1 hour to go. Instead of pushing that lynch through, they switched to Rikkter. I can see why with Kara because they came through and added to the momentum. I can see one of them being a symp sowing confusion or protecting their master.

Yeah, but Aparal was like, what, vote 2 or 3 of a needed 8? Usually a vote won't swing unless half the votes needed are already on a train, so I can forgive Aparal for going his own way slightly more than I can forgive Kara and Hentos for being the votes that actually tipped the scales. Not that I'm writing him off, and I'm hoping that your vote will make him give us a bit of info to work with.

You're right that Hentos said he was suspicious, but if I were a killer and trying to swing a train, I would certainly put at least a little bit of effort in covering my ass while I was doing it (i.e. saying it seems weird that it's happening). At any rate, I'm not willing to write off any of the three, and certainly hope all three feel the need to defend themselves - but I'd still like to see an Eldat lynch today, I think it's likely he's scum given how yesterday's swing went.

[Karatallid]

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

Ampelas, on 21 January 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 21 January 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 21 January 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

Where the hell did all these new wacky alts come from? "Rikkter"? "Iparth Erule"? and myself, Kadagar Fant? Fant?
Please refer to me as Kadavar Fart from now on.

Anyways, I am here and you will all respect me.

I pondered if this could be Kadagar as symp trying to signal his team, but Iparth was voting for Rikkter before switching.

That's actually an interesting idea. There are a few possible solutions to why Iparth would be voting for Rikkter regardless of them being teammates, one being that he was trying right away to disconnect himself from Rikkter, secondly that maybe the killers don't know each other (though I doubt this).

I only cited for one person, I didn't flop around all day. We were running out of time and the only two possible trains were Eldat and Rikkter. I went with my best choice. I wanted to see if there was anything connecting Fant, Iparth, and Rikkter and you were one of the ones who made me think on it further, and now you vote me for it. You're switching from vote to vote, and with you're agreeing with my idea and then voting me for going with it. I'd vote you back if it wouldn't appear a retaliation vote.

I considered Eldat and Rikkter, and went with the best choice. Nowhere does that mean I'd no longer look at Eldat.

[Emurlahnis]

So we're looking at the swing train, focusing on number one, two and three? That sounds like a great plan. Will shift my vote to get more out of them. My personal suspicions aren't concrete as yet. I believe Scum to be amidst the low posters. I expected an MK by now. The next best thing is to take a look at the swing train. If Pressen is scum, we need to assume he had help squeezing out of a lynch train.


I like Karatalid over AF for reasons stated above but still find value in Skintick and Kilavas discussions. I don't think we can divulge definite scum play so early on though but If I were to contribute to that whole argument: Scum is influencing the game while keeping quiet.

Vote Karatalid

I also think Pressen might be the best eventual lynch but lets get info from the swing train first.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 22 hours and 28 minutes remaining


12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Aparal Forge, Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis, Hentos Ilm, Iparth Erule, Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin, Skintick

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Iparth Erule ( Eldat Pressen, Emurlahnis )
1 Vote for Aparal Forge ( Iparth Erule )
1 Vote for Eldat Pressen ( Skintick )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Ampelas )
1 Vote for Skintick ( Kadagar Fant )


Players not voted: Aparal Forge, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kilava, Okaros, Silchas Ruin

[Emurlahnis]

Karatalid:

Would you say there's a possibility Eldat Pressen is being framed? Personally I see no problem with vote shifting erratically, as long as the argue for it holds up. I voted on you simply to get a response from you and get your impression of Aparal Forge and Hentos. the more opinions the better really.

[Ampelas]

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

Ampelas, on 21 January 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 21 January 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 21 January 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

Where the hell did all these new wacky alts come from? "Rikkter"? "Iparth Erule"? and myself, Kadagar Fant? Fant?
Please refer to me as Kadavar Fart from now on.

Anyways, I am here and you will all respect me.

I pondered if this could be Kadagar as symp trying to signal his team, but Iparth was voting for Rikkter before switching.

That's actually an interesting idea. There are a few possible solutions to why Iparth would be voting for Rikkter regardless of them being teammates, one being that he was trying right away to disconnect himself from Rikkter, secondly that maybe the killers don't know each other (though I doubt this).

I only cited for one person, I didn't flop around all day. We were running out of time and the only two possible trains were Eldat and Rikkter. I went with my best choice. I wanted to see if there was anything connecting Fant, Iparth, and Rikkter and you were one of the ones who made me think on it further, and now you vote me for it. You're switching from vote to vote, and with you're agreeing with my idea and then voting me for going with it. I'd vote you back if it wouldn't appear a retaliation vote.

I considered Eldat and Rikkter, and went with the best choice. Nowhere does that mean I'd no longer look at Eldat.

You're right, I did agree that it was an interesting idea. Given that Rikkter came up town, I'm liking it a bit less though!

I'm with Emurlahnis, though - I'd like to hear your thoughts about Eldat, Aparal Forge and Hentos.

[Ampelas]

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

remove vote
vote Karatallid

Ampelas, on 21 January 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 21 January 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 21 January 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

Where the hell did all these new wacky alts come from? "Rikkter"? "Iparth Erule"? and myself, Kadagar Fant? Fant?
Please refer to me as Kadavar Fart from now on.

Anyways, I am here and you will all respect me.

I pondered if this could be Kadagar as symp trying to signal his team, but Iparth was voting for Rikkter before switching.

That's actually an interesting idea. There are a few possible solutions to why Iparth would be voting for Rikkter regardless of them being teammates, one being that he was trying right away to disconnect himself from Rikkter, secondly that maybe the killers don't know each other (though I doubt this).

I only cited for one person, I didn't flop around all day. We were running out of time and the only two possible trains were Eldat and Rikkter. I went with my best choice. I wanted to see if there was anything connecting Fant, Iparth, and Rikkter and you were one of the ones who made me think on it further, and now you vote me for it. You're switching from vote to vote, and with you're agreeing with my idea and then voting me for going with it. I'd vote you back if it wouldn't appear a retaliation vote.

I considered Eldat and Rikkter, and went with the best choice. Nowhere does that mean I'd no longer look at Eldat.

You're right, I did agree that it was an interesting idea. Given that Rikkter came up town, I'm liking it a bit less though!

I'm with Emurlahnis, though - I'd like to hear your thoughts about Eldat, Aparal Forge and Hentos.

To add to that, if Iparth were a symp, doing what he did to throw a bad signal out would be pretty beautiful... I think of everything that was brought up as 'evidence' against Rikkter yesterday, that was probably one of the strongest points against him, in my opinion.

But then, it could very well have just been someone who didn't know who the characters were - a couple games ago I jumped down someone's throat for claiming they hadn't read all of tMBotF because I couldn't conceive of someone on this site not having read them all. I ended up being very wrong about that, so I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt - which could mean that you're using it to try to frame Iparth.

I don't particularly like you for scum, but I certainly want some more information from you before I discout it completely.

[Karatallid]

Emurlahnis, on 22 January 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karatalid:

Would you say there's a possibility Eldat Pressen is being framed? Personally I see no problem with vote shifting erratically, as long as the argue for it holds up. I voted on you simply to get a response from you and get your impression of Aparal Forge and Hentos. the more opinions the better really.

Framed? I don't follow. I thought the reason for the initial Eldat train was due to that dday summary he made. When I voted, he had 5 votes, and Rikkter had 4, and we were down to about an hour I believe, and there were enough people on to switch to either train. I said I would be willing to switch, but I went with the only thing of suspicion I could find on my own. The post where Fant mentioned himself, Iparth, and Rikkter felt like considering. At least I don't have to keep thinking about that specific connection. Someone mentioned my lack of contribution yesterday up to a point, so I looked again. All I found was the Fant post and I went with it. I wasn't voting Rikkter because I felt Eldat seemed more innocent. I voted the person who I found my own evidence for being potential scum.

Going after a swing vote maneuver would mean that Eldat is scum. Who knows that Eldat is scum and why didn't they vote for him over Rikkter. There was enough people on to go either way. Everyone was just sitting on their hands, waiting for someone else to make a move. Where is all this Eldat equals scum for sure stuff coming from. We would need Eldat to be scum for a swing train to be viable.

I think we need to know if Eldat is scum before we can go forth with accusing someone for trying to swing the vote. If Eldat does come up as scum, then we could worry about such, in my opinion.

[Karatallid]

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 05:26 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 22 January 2014 - 04:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 22 January 2014 - 02:40 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 22 January 2014 - 09:12 AM, said:

Shit, I started off with a post about how I am not the killer and ended up perplexed at the vote swing. Aparal Forge is scum. I don't know if he is setting up Eldat with the vote swing or not but I would prefer one of these two as scum.

Vote Aparal Forge

I think he needs to explain somethings, especially why he felt the need to push the swing. He was the active voice at the time.

Aparal Forge was definitely the beginning of the swing, I looked closely at that after the lynch yesterday, but if you really look at it, Karatallid and Hentos Ilm are the votes that were instrumental in making the Rikkter train viable. I know I wasn't swinging over to Rikkter until he had at least as many votes as Eldat yesterday.

You're definitely right, the fact that the train swung from a 4v1 for Eldat, to 8 votes on Rikkter in the last hour of the day is extremely suspicious. I'd certainly like to hear more from all three of the people instrumental in that swing.

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Ampelas, on 21 January 2014 - 10:49 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 21 January 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

Kadagar Fant, on 21 January 2014 - 01:22 PM, said:

Where the hell did all these new wacky alts come from? "Rikkter"? "Iparth Erule"? and myself, Kadagar Fant? Fant?
Please refer to me as Kadavar Fart from now on.

Anyways, I am here and you will all respect me.

I pondered if this could be Kadagar as symp trying to signal his team, but Iparth was voting for Rikkter before switching.

That's actually an interesting idea. There are a few possible solutions to why Iparth would be voting for Rikkter regardless of them being teammates, one being that he was trying right away to disconnect himself from Rikkter, secondly that maybe the killers don't know each other (though I doubt this).

I only cited for one person, I didn't flop around all day. We were running out of time and the only two possible trains were Eldat and Rikkter. I went with my best choice. I wanted to see if there was anything connecting Fant, Iparth, and Rikkter and you were one of the ones who made me think on it further, and now you vote me for it. You're switching from vote to vote, and with you're agreeing with my idea and then voting me for going with it. I'd vote you back if it wouldn't appear a retaliation vote.

I considered Eldat and Rikkter, and went with the best choice. Nowhere does that mean I'd no longer look at Eldat.

You're right, I did agree that it was an interesting idea. Given that Rikkter came up town, I'm liking it a bit less though!

I'm with Emurlahnis, though - I'd like to hear your thoughts about Eldat, Aparal Forge and Hentos.

To add to that, if Iparth were a symp, doing what he did to throw a bad signal out would be pretty beautiful... I think of everything that was brought up as 'evidence' against Rikkter yesterday, that was probably one of the strongest points against him, in my opinion.

But then, it could very well have just been someone who didn't know who the characters were - a couple games ago I jumped down someone's throat for claiming they hadn't read all of tMBotF because I couldn't conceive of someone on this site not having read them all. I ended up being very wrong about that, so I'm willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt - which could mean that you're using it to try to frame Iparth.

I don't particularly like you for scum, but I certainly want some more information from you before I discout it completely.

What are you talking about? It was Fant who made that post not Iparth. You're not even following or making sense now. Fant would have had to be the symp in such a scenario. I'm worried about what you're trying to do here, Ampelas. You're looking more and more suspect.