[Eloth]

ok, desra, i'm seeing a bit of a contraction here. your posts concerning the possible kalse signal:

Desra, on 10 December 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Kalse, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

After years of war, the Land of Meat and Potatoes was at peace, though it was a fragile peace. Potatoes had finally torn down the Meat's tyrannical regime, banishing them to The Beef Gravy-yard, a desolate wasteland east of the lush Potato Garden. But you can only keep someone down for so long before they retaliate.

So the potatoes have finally fulfilled their Emerald fantasy of flinging over the Meats. Do the Sir Loins bleed in red or orange? But as ever occurs the foliage is not disciplined enough to handle the Orangeman and their vile sycophants. The arrogance of the Orange must be turned against them.

Orangemen? Next thing you'll be starting a march

Vote Kalse

For bringing religion into the holy spat between 2 meat and 1 veg family. Oh wait...

Desra, on 11 December 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on 11 December 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

i was making the same point about day 1 bullshit - however, i did not pick up on any irish/english stereotyping, so it seemed unusually odd to me. I still don't get the cultural references now other than some association between the irish and potatoes. i also was confused by desra's reply but forgot to mention it. religion/holy spat? made no sense to me without this irish/english context you're referring to. hence my day 1 comments.

Orangemen, particularly the section "Relationship with loyalist paramilitaries" but also referencing Politics, also parades in Interface areas, particularly Drumcree.

The Orange Order are Unionists, wanting the honourable potatoes of Ireland to remain firmly under the thumb of the English rosbifs.

I posit this is signalling.

I'm on and off for the next few hours

Desra, on 12 December 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

Denesmet, on 12 December 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

Kalse, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

After years of war, the Land of Meat and Potatoes was at peace, though it was a fragile peace. Potatoes had finally torn down the Meat's tyrannical regime, banishing them to The Beef Gravy-yard, a desolate wasteland east of the lush Potato Garden. But you can only keep someone down for so long before they retaliate.

So the potatoes have finally fulfilled their Emerald fantasy of flinging over the Meats. Do the Sir Loins bleed in red or orange? But as ever occurs the foliage is not disciplined enough to handle the Orangeman and their vile sycophants. The arrogance of the Orange must be turned against them.

Desra, on 10 December 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Kalse, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

After years of war, the Land of Meat and Potatoes was at peace, though it was a fragile peace. Potatoes had finally torn down the Meat's tyrannical regime, banishing them to The Beef Gravy-yard, a desolate wasteland east of the lush Potato Garden. But you can only keep someone down for so long before they retaliate.

So the potatoes have finally fulfilled their Emerald fantasy of flinging over the Meats. Do the Sir Loins bleed in red or orange? But as ever occurs the foliage is not disciplined enough to handle the Orangeman and their vile sycophants. The arrogance of the Orange must be turned against them.

Orangemen? Next thing you'll be starting a march

Vote Kalse

For bringing religion into the holy spat between 2 meat and 1 veg family. Oh wait...

Denesmet, on 12 December 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

Desra, on 11 December 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on 11 December 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

i was making the same point about day 1 bullshit - however, i did not pick up on any irish/english stereotyping, so it seemed unusually odd to me. I still don't get the cultural references now other than some association between the irish and potatoes. i also was confused by desra's reply but forgot to mention it. religion/holy spat? made no sense to me without this irish/english context you're referring to. hence my day 1 comments.

Orangemen, particularly the section "Relationship with loyalist paramilitaries" but also referencing Politics, also parades in Interface areas, particularly Drumcree.

The Orange Order are Unionists, wanting the honourable potatoes of Ireland to remain firmly under the thumb of the English rosbifs.

I posit this is signalling.

I'm on and off for the next few hours

Interesting possibility on the signalling. If he were a symp then who is his master?

That is funny that you (Desra) should call this signalling, when you responded and voted Kalse.

Indeed, because I considered it to be signalling at the time. I didn't realise how many people wouldn't recognise (or research) the references. Tholen was gaining speed so rather than hold and risk a no lynch I switched. At the time I only recognised the Orange reference, the rest twigged today.

these three posts all fit together in a way that i don't like. first, you respond to kalse immediately with the same reference he was making (irish/english bit) but you ADD to it by bringing in the comments about a "march", "religion", "holy spat". later you explain the references (post 2). and then in post 3 you deny that you understood the reference fully when you made post 1. that does not line up. if you didn't understand anything but the "orange" reference, why did you mention religion/holy spat? that could only come from prior knowledge about the references kalse made, so why do you deny recognizing them? you even mention that you thought people would research the references if they didn't get them - if that was so, it would only make sense for you to also research them (since that was your idea) and comment on your findings. so it's pretty clear you understood the reference - why deny it? the logic on voting tholen is sound but your explanation about kalse is wanting. also, based on the post above, are you saying you no longer consider kalse's post signalling? if not, why?

[Eloth]

Kalse, on 12 December 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

Denesmet, on 12 December 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

I'm curious about your Tholen suspicions and the "something else" you mentioned. Do we know that we have a killer PAIR? I did a quick reread of the op and didn't get that out of it. There had to have been some kind of twist to add balance to the game, so since they both used reconstructions, perhaps the killers don't know who eachother are. I think I'd be good with a Kalse or Desra vote.

Denesmet, on 12 December 2013 - 11:04 AM, said:

Also I have to work today. Posting will be dodgy but I'll vote soon.

Denesmet, on 12 December 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Desra, on 12 December 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Damn, I forgot to remove didn't I

Remove vote

Vote Ryllandaras

I'm willing to vote Kalse

@Eloth Apparently he's willing to vote Desra or myself on the basis of the signaling case.


As for the signaling: anyone who thinks I was signaling needs to look at the sign-up sheet. There are a minimum 4 UK players. References to the Troubles, the colors orange and/or green, etc were in my opinion fair game. As I said, it writes itself.

For those who don't get the references along with the replies about religion and marches? Really? Those idiots have been killing each other for five hundred years. Read a book.

ok, i agree, he did say that in the post above, but quoting desra's vote still makes no sense to me, and the actual vote itself isn't supported by even a basic "based on my previous posts blah blah blah...vote kalse". it seemed like he was agreeing with desra or something but it makes no sense. so i still don't like it.

and yeah, i didn't and don't get all the UK/irish references. other cultures have been killing each other for 2000+ years; your tiny island is not so special that everyone in the world should be intimately familiar with your cultural history from 500 years ago. bad assumption.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 4 hours 39 minutes remaining.

8 Players still alive: Dejim Nebrahl, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Kalse, Nimander Golit, Ryllandaras, Tholen

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 vote Denesmet: Eloth
2 votes Ryllandaras: Dejim Nebrahl , Desra
1 vote Kalse: Denesmet


Players not voted: Kalse, Nimander Golit, Ryllandaras, Tholen

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 12 December 2013 - 09:24 PM

[Nimander Golit]

Eloth said:

1386882954[/url]' post='1101769']

Kalse said:

1386882326[/url]' post='1101764']

Denesmet said:

1386846241[/url]' post='1101612']
I'm curious about your Tholen suspicions and the "something else" you mentioned. Do we know that we have a killer PAIR? I did a quick reread of the op and didn't get that out of it. There had to have been some kind of twist to add balance to the game, so since they both used reconstructions, perhaps the killers don't know who eachother are. I think I'd be good with a Kalse or Desra vote.

Denesmet said:

1386846277[/url]' post='1101613']
Also I have to work today. Posting will be dodgy but I'll vote soon.

Denesmet said:

1386871833[/url]' post='1101720']

Desra said:

1386871699[/url]' post='1101719']
Damn, I forgot to remove didn't I

Remove vote

Vote Ryllandaras

I'm willing to vote Kalse

@Eloth Apparently he's willing to vote Desra or myself on the basis of the signaling case.


As for the signaling: anyone who thinks I was signaling needs to look at the sign-up sheet. There are a minimum 4 UK players. References to the Troubles, the colors orange and/or green, etc were in my opinion fair game. As I said, it writes itself.

For those who don't get the references along with the replies about religion and marches? Really? Those idiots have been killing each other for five hundred years. Read a book.

ok, i agree, he did say that in the post above, but quoting desra's vote still makes no sense to me, and the actual vote itself isn't supported by even a basic "based on my previous posts blah blah blah...vote kalse". it seemed like he was agreeing with desra or something but it makes no sense. so i still don't like it.

I don't really understand how Denesmet gets to a Kalse vote either, it all seems a bit backward.

Quote

and yeah, i didn't and don't get all the UK/irish references. other cultures have been killing each other for 2000+ years; your tiny island is not so special that everyone in the world should be intimately familiar with your cultural history from 500 years ago. bad assumption.

Hah, Eloth, I bet you a million space bucks that, if I've alted them correctly, Kalse is not from the UK, just more acquainted with general history than yourself. Anyway, it should be your tiny islands, seeing as how we're talking about both Great Britain and Ireland here.

Plus, come on, potatoes, Ireland, Ireland, potatoes. That's not even history, that's a cultural stereotype everyone knows

[Nimander Golit]

3 and a half hours...I'd rather go for Denesmet right now, but I don't want another no lynch.

Vote Ryllandaras

[Desra]

Eloth, on 12 December 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

ok, desra, i'm seeing a bit of a contraction here. your posts concerning the possible kalse signal:

Desra, on 10 December 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Kalse, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

After years of war, the Land of Meat and Potatoes was at peace, though it was a fragile peace. Potatoes had finally torn down the Meat's tyrannical regime, banishing them to The Beef Gravy-yard, a desolate wasteland east of the lush Potato Garden. But you can only keep someone down for so long before they retaliate.

So the potatoes have finally fulfilled their Emerald fantasy of flinging over the Meats. Do the Sir Loins bleed in red or orange? But as ever occurs the foliage is not disciplined enough to handle the Orangeman and their vile sycophants. The arrogance of the Orange must be turned against them.

Orangemen? Next thing you'll be starting a march

Vote Kalse

For bringing religion into the holy spat between 2 meat and 1 veg family. Oh wait...

Desra, on 11 December 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on 11 December 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

i was making the same point about day 1 bullshit - however, i did not pick up on any irish/english stereotyping, so it seemed unusually odd to me. I still don't get the cultural references now other than some association between the irish and potatoes. i also was confused by desra's reply but forgot to mention it. religion/holy spat? made no sense to me without this irish/english context you're referring to. hence my day 1 comments.

Orangemen, particularly the section "Relationship with loyalist paramilitaries" but also referencing Politics, also parades in Interface areas, particularly Drumcree.

The Orange Order are Unionists, wanting the honourable potatoes of Ireland to remain firmly under the thumb of the English rosbifs.

I posit this is signalling.

I'm on and off for the next few hours

Desra, on 12 December 2013 - 12:26 AM, said:

Denesmet, on 12 December 2013 - 12:21 AM, said:

Kalse, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

After years of war, the Land of Meat and Potatoes was at peace, though it was a fragile peace. Potatoes had finally torn down the Meat's tyrannical regime, banishing them to The Beef Gravy-yard, a desolate wasteland east of the lush Potato Garden. But you can only keep someone down for so long before they retaliate.

So the potatoes have finally fulfilled their Emerald fantasy of flinging over the Meats. Do the Sir Loins bleed in red or orange? But as ever occurs the foliage is not disciplined enough to handle the Orangeman and their vile sycophants. The arrogance of the Orange must be turned against them.

Desra, on 10 December 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Kalse, on 10 December 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 09 December 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

After years of war, the Land of Meat and Potatoes was at peace, though it was a fragile peace. Potatoes had finally torn down the Meat's tyrannical regime, banishing them to The Beef Gravy-yard, a desolate wasteland east of the lush Potato Garden. But you can only keep someone down for so long before they retaliate.

So the potatoes have finally fulfilled their Emerald fantasy of flinging over the Meats. Do the Sir Loins bleed in red or orange? But as ever occurs the foliage is not disciplined enough to handle the Orangeman and their vile sycophants. The arrogance of the Orange must be turned against them.

Orangemen? Next thing you'll be starting a march

Vote Kalse

For bringing religion into the holy spat between 2 meat and 1 veg family. Oh wait...

Denesmet, on 12 December 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

Desra, on 11 December 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on 11 December 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

i was making the same point about day 1 bullshit - however, i did not pick up on any irish/english stereotyping, so it seemed unusually odd to me. I still don't get the cultural references now other than some association between the irish and potatoes. i also was confused by desra's reply but forgot to mention it. religion/holy spat? made no sense to me without this irish/english context you're referring to. hence my day 1 comments.

Orangemen, particularly the section "Relationship with loyalist paramilitaries" but also referencing Politics, also parades in Interface areas, particularly Drumcree.

The Orange Order are Unionists, wanting the honourable potatoes of Ireland to remain firmly under the thumb of the English rosbifs.

I posit this is signalling.

I'm on and off for the next few hours

Interesting possibility on the signalling. If he were a symp then who is his master?

That is funny that you (Desra) should call this signalling, when you responded and voted Kalse.

Indeed, because I considered it to be signalling at the time. I didn't realise how many people wouldn't recognise (or research) the references. Tholen was gaining speed so rather than hold and risk a no lynch I switched. At the time I only recognised the Orange reference, the rest twigged today.

these three posts all fit together in a way that i don't like. first, you respond to kalse immediately with the same reference he was making (irish/english bit) but you ADD to it by bringing in the comments about a "march", "religion", "holy spat". later you explain the references (post 2). and then in post 3 you deny that you understood the reference fully when you made post 1. that does not line up. if you didn't understand anything but the "orange" reference, why did you mention religion/holy spat? that could only come from prior knowledge about the references kalse made, so why do you deny recognizing them? you even mention that you thought people would research the references if they didn't get them - if that was so, it would only make sense for you to also research them (since that was your idea) and comment on your findings. so it's pretty clear you understood the reference - why deny it? the logic on voting tholen is sound but your explanation about kalse is wanting. also, based on the post above, are you saying you no longer consider kalse's post signalling? if not, why?

Immediate response was to Orangemen = NI faction = Marches = Religion, hence the

Desra, on 10 December 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Vote Kalse

For bringing religion into the holy spat between 2 meat and 1 veg family. Oh wait...

Note the tongue in cheek "oh wait..." referring to me also mentioning religion. I did try working meat and 2 veg but alas the setup doesn't work for that so I had to settle for 2 meat 1 veg, a very curious genital setup.

Later response was based on the recollection of Rosbifs. Beef = Meat and following through on my earlier thoughts.

[Desra]

Nimander Golit, on 12 December 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Plus, come on, potatoes, Ireland, Ireland, potatoes. That's not even history, that's a cultural stereotype everyone knows

Not to mention all the backwards USAians who claim to be Irish despite having left it 150+ years ago making it all the more well known.

[Kalse]

Nimander Golit, on 12 December 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:

Hmm, to vote Denesmet or to vote Ryll? Even it up or set the lynch in motion? What to do, what to do.

Nimander Golit, on 12 December 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Eloth said:

1386882954[/url]' post='1101769']


ok, i agree, he did say that in the post above, but quoting desra's vote still makes no sense to me, and the actual vote itself isn't supported by even a basic "based on my previous posts blah blah blah...vote kalse". it seemed like he was agreeing with desra or something but it makes no sense. so i still don't like it.

I don't really understand how Denesmet gets to a Kalse vote either, it all seems a bit backward.

Quote

and yeah, i didn't and don't get all the UK/irish references. other cultures have been killing each other for 2000+ years; your tiny island is not so special that everyone in the world should be intimately familiar with your cultural history from 500 years ago. bad assumption.

Hah, Eloth, I bet you a million space bucks that, if I've alted them correctly, Kalse is not from the UK, just more acquainted with general history than yourself. Anyway, it should be your tiny islands, seeing as how we're talking about both Great Britain and Ireland here.

Plus, come on, potatoes, Ireland, Ireland, potatoes. That's not even history, that's a cultural stereotype everyone knows

Nimander Golit, on 12 December 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

3 and a half hours...I'd rather go for Denesmet right now, but I don't want another no lynch.

Vote Ryllandaras

Nimander you seem to be a bit blasé about this. As if you really don't care which one goes.

[Nimander Golit]

Well I already said that I don't, in the post just before the first one you posted. I said I would be happy voting for Tholen, Denesmet, or Ryll today. So nah ni ni ni nah nahs.

[Desra]

Just put a damned vote down Kalse, we're risking no lynch again here. Say you don't like it fine but bloody well vote. 2½ hours to go.

[Kalse]

Desra, on 12 December 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Just put a damned vote down Kalse, we're risking no lynch again here. Say you don't like it fine but bloody well vote. 2½ hours to go.

Now I really don't like the Rhyll vote.

[Desra]

Kalse, on 12 December 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

Desra, on 12 December 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Just put a damned vote down Kalse, we're risking no lynch again here. Say you don't like it fine but bloody well vote. 2½ hours to go.

Now I really don't like the Rhyll vote.

Fine, you want another no lynch? All yours for the taking.

[Kalse]

Path-Shaper, on 12 December 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

It is now Day 2. 4 hours 39 minutes remaining.

8 Players still alive: Dejim Nebrahl, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Kalse, Nimander Golit, Ryllandaras, Tholen

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 vote Denesmet: Eloth
2 votes Ryllandaras: Dejim Nebrahl , Desra
1 vote Kalse: Denesmet


Players not voted: Kalse, Nimander Golit, Ryllandaras, Tholen

Desra, on 12 December 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Just put a damned vote down Kalse, we're risking no lynch again here. Say you don't like it fine but bloody well vote. 2½ hours to go.

We've got right at two hours left. This has been such a low posting game that I understand the anxiety about not getting a lynch. But you've led me down the garden path way too many times. Which you know I know.

[Kalse]

Path-Shaper, on 10 December 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 8 hours 40 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Aranatha, Barghast, Dejim Nebrahl, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Kalse, Nimander Golit, Ryllandaras, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Kalse: Desra
1 vote Tholen: Nimander Golit


Players not voted: Aranatha, Barghast, Dejim Nebrahl, Denesmet, Eloth, Kalse, Ryllandaras, Tholen

Path-Shaper, on 11 December 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

At time out it was…

10 Players still alive: Aranatha, Barghast, Dejim Nebrahl, Denesmet, Desra, Eloth, Kalse, Nimander Golit, Ryllandaras, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

4 votes Tholen: Nimander Golit, Dejim Nebrahl, Desra, Barghast
1 vote Nimander Golit: Denesmet


Players not voted: Aranatha, Barghast, Eloth, Kalse, Ryllandaras, Tholen

There is no lynch during Day 1.

Nimander and Desra are right where you'd expect scum to be. At the front and dithering around.

Desra is the one who made the signaling claim. Then backed off of it. Nimander doesn't like Denesmet derailing the Tholen train. Which he sorta did.

I don't want a no lynch. But i think it's the wrong target. But then again there's fuck all to go with.

Vote Ryllandaras

[Eloth]

ok i'm back. made it before timeout this time but can't stick around. looks to me like ryll is at L-1? i still prefer denesmet as I said above but i will switch for the sake of a lynch after yesterdays clusterfuck. no mistakes this time:

remove vote

vote ryllandaras

[Desra]

Thank you

Now we just need one of 1 of Denesmet, Eloth, Ryllandaras or Tholen to get their arses online and vote

[Desra]

Speak of the devil

[Nimander Golit]

lol, if we've got this wrong, then tomorrow is already D-day (if none of the modkills were scum).

[Desra]

Nimander Golit, on 13 December 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

lol, if we've got this wrong, then tomorrow is already D-day (if none of the modkills were scum).

Oh dear god, now you say that.

[Desra]

Desra, on 13 December 2013 - 12:16 AM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 13 December 2013 - 12:15 AM, said:

lol, if we've got this wrong, then tomorrow is already D-day (if none of the modkills were scum).

Oh dear god, now you say that.

Actually, it could be game over. 8 players, 3 scum. Lynch, NK, impending modkills.