[Jalan]

Fanderay, on 04 November 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

Jalan, on 04 November 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

and if not,

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Vote Fanderay

Now you vote for me of course, Fandy, and whenever Ghennan manages to get some time in he can choose which one of us dies. I would have liked to hear some thoughts from Ghenny over the weekend first, but I guess he didn't have time, and frankly ( ) this wasn't going to go any other way up to this point anyways.

Ghen probably won't be on for a while, since they seem to be in a very Eastern timezone.

I ought to vote you just for stealing my "frankly", but tbh I still want to do a re-read. I have little illusions about you voting me off, but I'd like to try figure out which one of you two is actually scum.

You didn't say anything the last dozen times I stole your "frankly".

[Jalan]

And Ghen's not in a very eastern timezone, she's waaaay west

[Fanderay]

Jalan, on 04 November 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

And Ghen's not in a very eastern timezone, she's waaaay west

it's a question of a point of view, really. I see the Pacific as "East", but that's cuz I was Euro-born. From NA, it's prolly "West", though.

[Fanderay]

Incidentally, I've got a pile of paperwork as tall as my telephone to get through today. Once I've made a dent in it, i'll do a quick re-read and declare which way i'm voting. Stay tuned...

[Path-Shaper]

Fanderay, on 04 November 2013 - 02:09 PM, said:

Morning, everyone.

I'm @ work early, once I figure out what I absolutely need to get done today, I will turn my attention to the game.

vote Path-Shaper

just in case we're being fucked with.

Jalan, on 04 November 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

Ok, I'm bored now, and not necessarily going to be able to check the thread for updates every few hours like I was doing over the weekend fruitlessly.

Vote Path-Shaper

Just for you, Fandy. If there were funny business about now Path-Shaper is dead

I...I feel...cold. Light - in the distance. Should I reach for it? Is that you, Thyrllan? No, no, you're in the other game. But what is that? It...pulls me, draws me nearer. I feel myself growing weaker, my mesmerising colours dimming...


GLERRRGH, AHEM, BLEARRRGHH!!!

Oh wait, just had something stuck in my throat. Carry on then.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 26 hours and 37 minutes remaining.

3 players alive: Fanderay, Ghennan, Jalan

2 votes to lynch, 2 votes to go to night.


1 vote Fanderay (Jalan)


Players not voted: Fanderay, Ghennan

[Fanderay]

that took longer than expected. Starting re-read now

[Ghennan]

If it's going to come down to me, I'd like to hear from Fanderay before I decide.

[Fanderay]

I've finished re-reading the entire thread.

Here are my general impressions on the 2 players left alive:

1) Ghennan wasn't too active on Day 1. his vote on Ultama was a bit of a drive-by. Day 2, he was preoccupied with MO and Ultama connection, was there to see the modkill, then switched to me. I called him out on it, he refuted my accusations, then voted Grasp, after previously asking Grasp to rebutt the case made against him. On Day 3, he voted me, and then ended up being a likely lynch target. In fact, i was going to vote him off, but then i did not. I've spent the last 20 minutes trying to figure out why I didn't. Basically, it was the fact that he became extremely careful about lynches. He really didn't want to lynch Lock. He felt it was a waste, only did it as a self-preservation vote.

Day 4, what is actually really striking is that of the 3 people actively playing (me and Hanas are excluded from this list), he was the ONLY one not to talk all the time about partners. Which is really not smth i'd expect from scum. Ghen started the day re-reading everyone, but looking at individual play. Trake started talking about partners, Jalan jumped right into it. Ghen got back later on, but he made no attempt to make his own partner cases. His vote on Hanas also didn't strike me as particularly eager.

2) Jalan. Probably the most easy-going player all game. in particular when it came to both me and Trake--after Day 2 we were the 2 extremely loud voices on thread, and he was being pretty cozy with both of us, up till Day 5, when he came out guns blazing against me, largely because of the no-kill. I'm not going to re-tread that particular argument. Suffice it to say that although Jalan has definitely been playing the entire game, he only started to make himself felt when D-day became highly likely. I also think it's a bit strange how he ended up voting Hanas after talking about Ghennan so much, and his case was very weak--all the more so, since for a good 3 days he was an equally staunch defender of myself as Hanas was. it was only after Trake started to consider him as my symp, and indicated that he had little interest in voting Ghen that Jelan suddenly did a 360 and made a quick and dirty case on Hanas and then voted him.

basically, I'll pick Jalan as scum for this game. If I am wrong, kudos Ghen

remove vote

vote Jalan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. 22 hours and 47 minutes remaining.

3 players alive: Fanderay, Ghennan, Jalan

2 votes to lynch, 2 votes to go to night.


1 vote Fanderay (Jalan)
1 vote Jalan (Fanderay)

Players not voted: Ghennan

[Jalan]

What a colossal strawman attempt. Ghennan was the *only* one not talking about partnered scum on day 4? I was absolutely saying that there was a good possibility that Monok or Togg had been one of the killers.

And what's wrong with looking at one person, finding them scummy, and then looking at anther person and finding them even scummier? You want to paint that as some sudden lackluster turnaround but it was hardly that - I had better reasoning in my Hanas case than in my Ghennan case. I wouldn't have switched otherwise.

[Fanderay]

Except I don't consider it better reasoning. I feel the case on Hanas was pretty shit, particularly given you were showing as much resistance and we're as blatant in your defence of me on days 2 and as Hanas was.
But w/e. I'm letting ghen decide this one.

[Jalan]

Absolutely. But there's an ocean of difference between me finding Hanas scummy because of Hanas' behaviour, and me finding you scummy because of Hanas' behaviour.

I didn't think you were scummy because of Hanas' day 2 behaviour, but why does that mean I can't find Hanas scummy because of his day2 and day3 behaviour.

And then new things occured in day 4 and 5 for me to find you scummy. What's wrong with that?

[Fanderay]

I have nothing against you finding me scummy, as weak as your argument was (you never DID answer my question about how I am supposed to provide a "meaningful defence" to an undefendable accusation, btw).
but I disagree with your case on Hanas. and I find the timing to be quite convenient.
and where the fuck is Ghen? can we please end this one way or the other, so that I can start plotting revenge against the one of you who is scum and shake my head at the one who is town?

[Jalan]

Fanderay, on 04 November 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

I have nothing against you finding me scummy, as weak as your argument was (you never DID answer my question about how I am supposed to provide a "meaningful defence" to an undefendable accusation, btw).
but I disagree with your case on Hanas. and I find the timing to be quite convenient.
and where the fuck is Ghen? can we please end this one way or the other, so that I can start plotting revenge against the one of you who is scum and shake my head at the one who is town?

Sadly, I'm playing a "principles" game - hence Ultama, and Monok, etc etc etc

Otherwise I'd give some slight consideration to just saying"screw it!" and voting Ghennan with you

I want to see SH already!!!

[Jalan]

As for your question, you know as well as I do that there is no way to defend against such accusations, really. If you are town, and if Hanas is town, I expect strong words between you in SH, and I'll have to give some kudos to Ghennan for taking the risk of skipping night 4.

I'm all but certain that that isn't going to happen though!

[Fanderay]

Jalan, on 05 November 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

As for your question, you know as well as I do that there is no way to defend against such accusations, really. If you are town, and if Hanas is town, I expect strong words between you in SH, and I'll have to give some kudos to Ghennan for taking the risk of skipping night 4.

I'm all but certain that that isn't going to happen though!

Oh, so NOW you know? Then why the fuck were you giving me shit about it yesterday?
As for tapper's play: I'm not going to be mad at him. His play made sense. People made too much of it, cuz they are idiots. They then failed to lynch me (i've already said, my vocal protests notwithstanding, you SHOULD have lynched me instead of Lock). And as i've said, kudos to scum for playing everyone by herding them at me day after day. I hope one day I could make your game this fucking miserable

[Jalan]

Fanderay, on 05 November 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 November 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

As for your question, you know as well as I do that there is no way to defend against such accusations, really. If you are town, and if Hanas is town, I expect strong words between you in SH, and I'll have to give some kudos to Ghennan for taking the risk of skipping night 4.

I'm all but certain that that isn't going to happen though!

Oh, so NOW you know? Then why the fuck were you giving me shit about it yesterday?
As for tapper's play: I'm not going to be mad at him. His play made sense. People made too much of it, cuz they are idiots. They then failed to lynch me (i've already said, my vocal protests notwithstanding, you SHOULD have lynched me instead of Lock). And as i've said, kudos to scum for playing everyone by herding them at me day after day. I hope one day I could make your game this fucking miserable

Back in mafia 50ish I'd be thinking you're town now after all those kudos and final protests. Good thing I know better now.

Gods I'm tired of this now though. We're pretty much just bickering at this point. I don't want to sour our relationship with more of it

What's done is done, what's said has all been said already. No point, IMO, in making more "you should have" this and "we should have" that posts here when we can just wait a bit longer and make them in SH with a lot more info about the game!

[Fanderay]

Jalan, on 05 November 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 05 November 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Jalan, on 05 November 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

As for your question, you know as well as I do that there is no way to defend against such accusations, really. If you are town, and if Hanas is town, I expect strong words between you in SH, and I'll have to give some kudos to Ghennan for taking the risk of skipping night 4.

I'm all but certain that that isn't going to happen though!

Oh, so NOW you know? Then why the fuck were you giving me shit about it yesterday?
As for tapper's play: I'm not going to be mad at him. His play made sense. People made too much of it, cuz they are idiots. They then failed to lynch me (i've already said, my vocal protests notwithstanding, you SHOULD have lynched me instead of Lock). And as i've said, kudos to scum for playing everyone by herding them at me day after day. I hope one day I could make your game this fucking miserable

Back in mafia 50ish I'd be thinking you're town now after all those kudos and final protests. Good thing I know better now.

Gods I'm tired of this now though. We're pretty much just bickering at this point. I don't want to sour our relationship with more of it

What's done is done, what's said has all been said already. No point, IMO, in making more "you should have" this and "we should have" that posts here when we can just wait a bit longer and make them in SH with a lot more info about the game!

"You know nothing, Jalan Snow"
But yes, this waiting is ridiculous. If you are in fact inno, i'll headdesk hard for not hammering Ghen when I had the chance.
Though really it'll just mean he done good to have fooled me like that

[Fanderay]

And you're avoiding the question again, you bastard. If you knew I couldn't defend against that accusation, why give me so much shit for not defending?