[Khellendros]

twelve, on 20 November 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

Or my ion turret with an electron computer? Though I think my odds might be better with the extra cannon.

For this, 26%.

[twelve]

Somehow I thought my chance of success was better than that. Well then I definately won't react.

[Galactic Council]

Galactic Council, on 19 November 2013 - 11:56 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 November 2013 - 11:53 PM, said:

Looks like we are back to Tapper as Morgoth provisionally passed.

Tapper I think you and Khell should pass. Trap Gnaw's ships with your Dread.

Tatts' provisional requires confirmation.

twelve, on 20 November 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

Why does Tatts need confirmation? Nothing changed before him that would warrant any further reaction from him as far as I can tell.

Because of this:

Galactic Council, on 19 November 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

Due to the nature of this round, I think confirmations of no reactions is a good idea.

CF has a "unless I'm invaded" so he's good.

Twelve has "no reactions. none at all."


All the rest of the passers could conceivably need to do a reaction to something

[Gnaw]

Speaking of odds:

What are the percentages for a Orion cruiser against Khell's cruiser?


Tatts, I assume you're saving up for a Dread. If you reaction build a cruiser in Iota Bootis you'd be one reaction move away from Khell. If Tapper and Khell both pass, your cruiser would be ready for next round and in good position for any developing situation.






77%

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 20 November 2013 - 01:29 AM

[Imperial Historian]

Yeah, but he can build a dread and a cruiser in one move next time, so it's probably best to wait, or even 3 cruisers.

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

Yeah, but he can build a dread and a cruiser in one move next time, so it's probably best to wait, or even 3 cruisers.

You're being awfully cavalier with your ally's worlds.

[Khellendros]

Haha, I do like you, Gnaw

You just can't bring yourself to let another faction have the last word of the round, even if it means bankrupting yourself and your teammates in order to win some sort of Pyrrhic victory at the close of the round. "Got to do something that they don't see coming!"


But, please, don't let me stop you. Go Reaction Action Squadron Go!

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Haha, I do like you, Gnaw

You just can't bring yourself to let another faction have the last word of the round, even if it means bankrupting yourself and your teammates in order to win some sort of Pyrrhic victory at the close of the round. "Got to do something that they don't see coming!"


But, please, don't let me stop you. Go Reaction Action Squadron Go!

My suggestion would mean Tatts spending a full action on a single build. At worst, his new cruiser is positioned in a tactically important spot. If one of you is doesn't pass then he could go after your cruiser.
I understood IH invading Twelve right after I sent ships into Tapper's hex; the loss of my two interceptors is more than justified by the gain of Twelve's homeworld.

Tatts passing was a bit meh. But again i can see the advantage to getting first tech.

I was fully expecting you to buy the warp portal. If you didn't I was prepared to get it next round just to keep it out of Twelve's hands. Drop it in the hex your cruiser is in now and it was defused and made that hex worth another VP.


What has me irked is Tatts sending his dread to the far side of the supernova and IH passing with his own dread just sitting in the hive. I don't understand either of those. If Tatts had moved to 304 to block any possible Twelve retreat we could have him blocked in until the nova blows. Now it's Tatts' dread thats trapped whether the nova blows this round or not. All Twelve has to do is build a ship in the nova.



And wtf is up with 5 guests watching the thread?

[Tapper]

pulsar: build a fighter in the world with 2 science planets .

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw there are multiple rounds to go. We dont have to try win the game this round. I could have a ship in against khell in two moves. Or I can influence the hex after battle with twelve. What is more important? Once twelve is gone we won't have to watch our backs. We can concentrate on one front.

[Morgoth]

I disagree. Suiciding now is your only option.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw you should discuss your moves with us somewhat. By bankrupting a hex you get no production. If it is taken off you then you will.

[Gnaw]

Ganoes Paran, on 20 November 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

Gnaw there are multiple rounds to go. We dont have to try win the game this round. I could have a ship in against khell in two moves. Or I can influence the hex after battle with twelve. What is more important? Once twelve is gone we won't have to watch our backs. We can concentrate on one front.

Ah. "I can't afford to do that" is a perfectly good reason for not building that cruiser.

[Galactic Council]

Ganoes Paran, on 20 November 2013 - 07:10 AM, said:

Gnaw there are multiple rounds to go. We dont have to try win the game this round. I could have a ship in against khell in two moves. Or I can influence the hex after battle with twelve. What is more important?

I'm taking that as a confirmation on no reaction.

[Galactic Council]

Round 4 Action Phase


Turn 1

Spoiler

Tatts

• Research Improved Hull
• Upkeep -5
• Bank $4, S8, M14
• Production $15, S6, M4

Gnaw

• research neutron bombs -2 sci
• -5 upkeep. 0, Sci 7, Ma 13

Twelve

• Research plasma missiles convert 6 materials to science
• 1$, 0S, 13 M upkeep -3

Imperial Historian

• research advanced mining
  
• Convert 3 production to 1 science,
  
• Upkeep -2 £0 S=0 P=9

Morgoth

• Research - Fusion drive and Fusion Source for 7 science
• $ 2, S 3, M 7,
• Upkeep - 5

CF - RESEARCH - Advanced labs


Tapper .- Research Gauss Shield for 2 science, (middle track).

Khell

• RESEARCH Fusion Source for 6 Science.
• $0, S2, M13

D'rek - RESearch Neutron Bombs for my next action.

Turn 2

Spoiler

Tatts -

• Research Point Defense put it on middle track - 9 science convert 4 materials into 1 science to cover this.
• Upkeep -7
• Bank $4,S0,M10

Gnaw

• Research Cloaking Device -7 science put on middle track
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 13. -7 upkeep

Twelve -

• Gnaw stick with my original provisional
• Build two orbitals in 310 and 318. Colonize them both with science.
• (1$, 0S, 2M Upkeep-5)
• Exchange Ambassadors with IH. Both send monetary gifts.

Imperial Historian

• So upgrade cruiser with 2 improved hull over electron computer and in the blank space, and one positron computer over the hull.
• Upkeep -3 £0 S0 M9

Morgoth provisional Upgrade - Add fusion source and fusion drive to cruiser

CF - Upgrade starbases - Imp hull on blank spot and imp. hull over one regular hull.

Tapper - Influence.

• Flip a colony ship for 1 science. Remove disc from Aldebaran. Turn that colony ship face-up.
• Gnaw, I think you removed the money cube on Aldebaran to the material track instead? Fixed

Khell - INFLUENCE

• Epsilon Carinae and Lambda Serpentis. Colonise all planets (grey planet with science cube). Reveal the discovery.
• So what wondrous creation do I get this time, GC? A clapped-out interceptor? A tech I already possess maybe? Oh, a piece of lint from your pocket perhaps?
  
• Discovery is Free Ancient Cruiser 02. He keeps as cruiser.
  

D'rek - Provisional: Research Advanced Mining (-9 science)

Turn 3

Spoiler

Tatts -

• Upgrade Cruiser and Dreadnought, Improved Hull over normal hull.
• Upkeep - 10
• Bank $4,S0,M10
• Production $15,S6,M4

Gnaw - Build

• 2 interceptors in Arcturus
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 7
• -10 upkeep.

Twelve - Provisional Influence

No I will have one adv material slot not populated. Don't populate 304 with an influence disk and colonize the adv material slot and I'll be good.

• -remove influence disk on supernova
• -return all three population cubes to materials
• reset 2 colony ships 3 ships available.
• -move influence disk from player board back to supernova
• -populate 2 grey slots on supernova to science. use the last colony ship on the adv material slot on the supernova while we are at it.
• (1$, 0S, 2M Upkeep -7
  

Imperial Historian -

• BUILD 2 x cruisers in the hive hex
• Upkeep -5 £0 S0 M1

Morgoth - Move - both cruisers to my single tier 2 system

CF

• CONVERT 4 money to 2 materials.
  
• BUILD Orbital in Psi Capricorni (or whatever it's called...up next to Arcturus and Alpha Centauri, NW of my homeworld),
  
• populate with SCIENCE.
  
• BUILD Starbase in Formahaut. POPULATE two advanced science slots, one on homeworld and one on Formahaut.
  • @Rules:
  • Not that I have anything to do with an extra colony ship just now, but does the above constitute a use of 2 or 3 colony ships? In other words, does building an orbital require a colony ship to populate it or does it populate by default? Has to be populated
    
• I should add that my provisional move is incumbent on no aggressive action or posturing taken against me or my ally.

Tapper

• I think the money cube from Aldebaran was moved to materials, instead.
• fixed
  

• Research Positron Computer and flip 3 colonyships for science, please - it should come with a discount of -3, and +3 science gained --> 10 - 5 + 3 = 8.
• That also gives me a discovery tile, please - any ships/orbitals/warp portals et cetera are deployed in my homeworld should I keep them.
  • http://orokos.com/roll/149569#
    Description r4 Tapper magellan 4th tech discovery. 19 available
    Results 1#1d19: 1 # 19 [1d19=19]
  • Shard Hull - place over hull point on dread.
    
• so I'd be at 5 money (+8 income), 8 science (+6 income), 6 materials (+6 income) at upkeep -7.

Khell

• And Tapper sounds like he'll be researching, so I will say:
• Turn 3: RESEARCH Neutron Bombs.
• $0, S0, M13

D'rek

INFluence:

• --move a disc from the influence track to Aldebaran
• --move a disc from Delta Eridani to Phi Piscum (science cube goes back to population track)
• --colonize Advanced Materials slot in Beta Lyrae
• --colonize money slot in Phi Piscum
• --colonize Advanced Materials slot in Aldebaran
• --flip up two colony ships
• --colonize Advanced Science slot in Aldebaran
• --colonize Advanced Science slot in Phi Piscum

Turn 4

Spoiler

Tatts

• Pass 1st of Round
• Upkeep - 10
• Bank $4,S0,M10
• Production $15,S6,M4

Gnaw -

• Move 2 interceptors from Arcturus to Epsilon Indi.
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 7. -17 -13 upkeep

Twelve

• Provisionally PASS Second of round
  
• (1$,0S,2M Upkeep -7)

IH

• move 2 x crusiers into twelves homeworld
  
• Upkeep -7 £0 S0 M1
  • Return the diplomatic relations cube to the materials track, take the traitor card
  • Twelve - Return mine to Money

Morgoth - Move - both cruisers from 201 to 221

CF - Pass

Tapper - Influence and flip colony ship

Khell - UPGRADE: Remove one Plasma Cannon from dread; Insert Nuclear Drive in blank spot on Dread, and in blank spot on Cruiser.

D'rek - Pass

Turn 5

Spoiler

Tatts - provisional Move dread to 310

Gnaw - Pass

Twelve - no reaction

IH - Pass

Morgoth - Upgrade - Add improved hull over hull on cruiser, add improved hull over empty slot on starbase.

CF - no reaction

Tapper -

• Research Advanced Robotics.
• Flip a colony ship for 1 mats (6 --> 7).

Khell -

• RESEARCH Warp Portal for 8 materials.
• Place in that far hex where my dread and cruiser are.

D'rek - No reaction

Turn 6

Tatts - no reaction


Gnaw - No reaction

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction

Morgoth - Move cruisers to Arcturus

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - Provisionally: Influence. Flip a colony ship face up. Flip it face down for materials.

Khell - MOVE Dreadnaught to Lambda Aurigae, MOVE Cruiser to Zeta Chameleontis.

D'rek - no reaction confirmed

Turn 7


Tatts - no reaction (confirmed)


Gnaw - reaction

• Upgrade interceptor blueprint by replacing missiles in blank spot with nuclear drive.
• -17 upkeep. $0, Sc 0, Ma 7

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction

Morgoth - pass?? I think I saw him say that earlier.

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - pulsar: build a fighter in the world with 2 science planets

Khell - ?

D'rek

[Galactic Council]

Khell's turn again.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw I can afford it and I am discussing it with you. I could afford 3 more moves and still influence Twelve's homeworld, what I am saying is that next round we will have more turns and better production to hurt a few players. I have two hexes with only science and materials on that I could bankrupt, yet the arguments for that are slim.

[Tapper]

I will pass unless someone moves ships into my systems.

This post has been edited by Tapper: 20 November 2013 - 09:22 AM

[Tattersail_]

I see what you are doing Gnaw. I don't think it is worth it. Your production will be minimal to say the least.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 20 November 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

I will pass unless someone moves ships into my systems.

Is this instead of the Pulsar or after?