[Tattersail_]

@ Khell

It approaches!

[D'rek]

I'm not reacting.

[Tattersail_]

Does that leave twelve the only person not to have passed?

[Tattersail_]

Offer diplomatic relations to IH to help with upkeep. It depends if twice wants to try another round.

[twelve]

Ganoes Paran, on 13 January 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

Offer diplomatic relations to IH to help with upkeep. It depends if twice wants to try another round.

Well Grief, Vengy, If you accept diplomatic relations you will be guaranteed to lose points and miss out on a chance to improve on the points you currently have. Plus when you finally decided to drop the Dead Weight that is Gnaw and Tatts you have to accept the traitor card as well as the -3 points for leaving the alliance. Not a good move to take as you likely don't even need the extra cash to beat me.

[Gnaw]

twelve, on 13 January 2014 - 10:55 PM, said:

Well Grief, Vengy, If you accept diplomatic relations you will be guaranteed to lose points and miss out on a chance to improve on the points you currently have. Plus when you finally decided to drop the Dead Weight that is Gnaw and Tatts you have to accept the traitor card as well as the -3 points for leaving the alliance. Not a good move to take as you likely don't even need the extra cash to beat me.

The traitor card doesn't change hands on alliance dropping. Separate mechanics.

[twelve]

Upgrade:
Dreadnaught
-Remove Gluon Computers from default Hull and Electron Computer
-Add Hull over Electron Computer
Interceptor
-Add Tachyon Source over default source.
(5$/0S/2M Upkeep -25)

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw IH can pass can't he. Twelve has not even got an interceptor and I don't see him building one as he has no materials to do so. He only has two dreads yes? IH is going to fire and kill a dread straight away regardless of what Twelve does now. If Twelve does another action then IH gets a reaction to counter that yes? What do you think Twelve is planning.

[Gnaw]

@Tatts and Grievenge: The way it stands now Twelve has a fair chance at walking away with the hex without losing a dread. After the missile engagement each ship is firing one cannon. And Twelve's does Orange damage versus Yellow damage being returned. That being so, I don't think it's worth the 5 money to go to -30 just to drop another ion cannon into the battle. Either build a second starbase or pass.

With a second starbase, the likelihood of killing one dread before it can fire missiles is much improved.

Current battle:

spoilered because it's boring.

Spoiler

Grieveng

• 1x starbase == 7 init, 3/3 health (not relevant), +6 computers, 0 shields, 1x ION Missile battery == 1x - 3d6 yellow
• 2x interceptor == 4 init, 1/1 health, +2 computers, 0 shields, 1x ION cannon == 2x - 1d6 yellow
• 1x cruiser == 3 init, 5/5 health, +2 computers, 0 shields, 1x ION cannon == 1x - 1d6 yellow.

Twelve: 2x dread == 3 init, 4/4 health, +2 computers, 0 shields, 1x PLASMA missile battery, 1x PLASMA cannon ==

• missile - 2x 2d6 orange
• cannon - 2x 1d6 orange

The firing order as it is now:

• Missiles: Green starbase (7 init) -> Red dread.
• Cannons: Green Starbase -> Green interceptor (4 init) -> Green cruiser (3 init) -> Red dread (3 init)

Green shoots 3 times for yellow damage, red shoots 4 times for orange damage, green 2 times for yellow, green 1 time for yellow, red 2 times for orange.

Worst case is everything red hits and green misses:

• the starbase doesn't have cannon so no point targeting it until last.
• red missiles hit 4 times. Interceptors are one hit, cruiser 3. They have equal computers and cannons, so assume he'll destroy both interceptors and put the cruiser at 1 health.

[Gnaw]

Ganoes Paran, on 14 January 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

IH is going to fire and kill a dread straight away regardless of what Twelve does now.

With 4/4 dread health, a single salvo of 3 ion missiles will not kill a dread.

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 14 January 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 14 January 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

IH is going to fire and kill a dread straight away regardless of what Twelve does now.

With 4/4 dread health, a single salvo of 3 ion missiles will not kill a dread.

Each dread has only 3 hp in total no?

edit - Also building a second starbase costs next to nothing and would be a better option right now.

This post has been edited by Ganoes Paran: 14 January 2014 - 10:50 AM

[Gnaw]

Ganoes Paran, on 14 January 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 14 January 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 14 January 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

IH is going to fire and kill a dread straight away regardless of what Twelve does now.

With 4/4 dread health, a single salvo of 3 ion missiles will not kill a dread.

Each dread has only 3 hp in total no?

edit - Also building a second starbase costs next to nothing and would be a better option right now.

They have 3 hulls with the last modification. 4/4 health.

The way this will work is if we don't build the other starbase, all 3 ion missiles will miss. If we do build it, all the ion missiles will hit and we'll be kicking ourselves for "wasting" the build.


Edit: The second starbase is going to be expensive. Influence disc at $5 == another hex bankrupted == 2 less material cubes worth of production + the cost of re-influencing next turn.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 14 January 2014 - 11:19 AM

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 14 January 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 14 January 2014 - 10:50 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 14 January 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 14 January 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

IH is going to fire and kill a dread straight away regardless of what Twelve does now.

With 4/4 dread health, a single salvo of 3 ion missiles will not kill a dread.

Each dread has only 3 hp in total no?

edit - Also building a second starbase costs next to nothing and would be a better option right now.

They have 3 hulls with the last modification. 4/4 health.

The way this will work is if we don't build the other starbase, all 3 ion missiles will miss. If we do build it, all the ion missiles will hit and we'll be kicking ourselves for "wasting" the build.


Edit: The second starbase is going to be expensive. Influence disc at $5 == another hex bankrupted == 2 less material cubes worth of production + the cost of re-influencing next turn.

Is that with the diplomatic exchange?

edit. I think we should make sure we beat Twelve this turn. He is totally screwed then. That leaves IH ready to do what's needed next round.

edit2. I wonder if IH left a provisional on what he wanted to do if Twelve added Hull.

This post has been edited by Ganoes Paran: 14 January 2014 - 11:23 AM

[Khellendros]

Grievance, your two squawking mother hens are driving themselves flappy. Please calm them down.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 14 January 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

Grievance, your two squawking mother hens are driving themselves flappy. Please calm them down.

Ha ha.

[Gnaw]

Current: $12 income. 0 in bank. 18 material income. 9 mats in bank.

Diplo gives another money cube, so $15 income.

Assume Twelve loses and we keep that hex.

-30 upkeep. $15 income, 18 material income. 7 mats in bank. (the starbase build that put us at -30)

Bankrupt 204.

• Return cube to mats track.
• -25. $15 income. 15 mats income. 7 mats banked.

Bankrupt 304.

• Return cube to mat.
• -21 upkeep. $15 income. 12 mats income. 7 banked.

Bankrupt 108:

• return 1 grey cubes and 1 science cube. Put the grey on science, dropping science income to zero.
• -17 upkeep. $15 income. 12 mats income. 7 banked.
• convert 6 mats to $2.
• -17 upkeep. $15 income. $2 banked.

Start round 7 with $0, 2 science, 13 mats. And Turn 1 has to be an influence of 108. Of course with only 2 science it's not like we'd be researching anyways.


If Twelve wins, economically we're better off. The price of that second starbase is considerable.

But I think it's worth it. *shrug*

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 14 January 2014 - 11:26 AM, said:

Grievance, your two squawking mother hens are driving themselves flappy. Please calm them down.

I'm psychic. I foresee Orokos liking Twelve better than you.

Edit: I can say that because there's no way to rig the orokos rolls.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 14 January 2014 - 11:46 AM

[Gnaw]

Of course if we build the starbase and defeat Twelve, the nova will blow. Proving that we didn't need to do those last three reactions at all.

[Tattersail_]

It's been so long I haven't even looked at Upkeeps. This is the longest round ever! God help the rest of this game.

[Galactic Council]

Morgoth and CF, assuming Grievenge can show up and do whatever IH told them to do, are you two still not reacting?