[cerveza_fiesta]

Morgoth, a switch to more military strategy may be in order now. With IH and jump drive, we're definitely vulnerable.

Although, before you just decide to take ancient orbital as VP, remember that it has an artifact marker. It could be more worth your while to use it with artifact key for a production bonus - which may be in order if IH is eyeing our squishy hexes.

[cerveza_fiesta]

@Morgoth again

Just seeing here on the map, not as dire as I thought. We just need to be ready for defense of psi capricorni and Alpha Centauri. Hardly a gaping hole in the defenses, considering the large amount of moves required to get anything of consequence across the gap. Reading up quickly on the jump drive rules, it appears that its use requires a separate activation, and must take the place of another ship component (but not the regular drive).

So for IH to move a single cruiser into Alpha Centauri (which he could do) it would use up an entire move action plus an upgrade to put a more combat ready part in its place after the move.

[Galactic Council]

cerveza_fiesta, on 10 December 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

(but not the regular drive).

No, jump drive can be the only drive on a blueprint.

[D'rek]

cerveza_fiesta, on 10 December 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

@Morgoth again

Just seeing here on the map, not as dire as I thought. We just need to be ready for defense of psi capricorni and Alpha Centauri. Hardly a gaping hole in the defenses, considering the large amount of moves required to get anything of consequence across the gap. Reading up quickly on the jump drive rules, it appears that its use requires a separate activation, and must take the place of another ship component (but not the regular drive).

So for IH to move a single cruiser into Alpha Centauri (which he could do) it would use up an entire move action plus an upgrade to put a more combat ready part in its place after the move.

Not quite. The Jump Drive is just like any other drive component - each time you "use an arrow" from a MOVe action on a ship, each drive applies once. The Jump Drive works just like a Nuclear Drive, only it can go across half-wormholes or non-wormholes.

ie:

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has a Tachyon Drive and a Nuclear Drive - the cruiser can move 4 hexes normally

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has a Jump Drive and a Nuclear Drive - the cruiser can move 1 hex normally, then 1 hex over any border (in either order)

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has a Jump Drive and a Tachyon Drive - the cruiser can move 3 hexes normally and 1 hex over any border (in any order)

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has only a Jump Drive - the cruiser can move 1 hex over any border

[Tapper]

Keep the science, please.

My setting for the round is then

0 money (10 income)
11 science (4 income)
8 materials (4 income)

[Galactic Council]

Getting a ride from somebody today. They just drove in. 37 minutes early.


Descriptionround 5 novas. 391 2d6. 392 2d6 Results
2d6: 7 [2d6=4, 3]
2d6: 9 [2d6=3, 6]
neither blow

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 10 December 2013 - 06:17 PM

[Galactic Council]

Galactic Council, on 21 November 2013 - 01:47 AM, said:

Predictive for round 6

• Tachyon Drive 02
• Advanced Robotics 04
• Sentient Hull
• Gluon Computer 03
• Flux Missile

45 remaining

• Advanced Economy 02
• Advanced Economy 03
• Advanced Economy 04
• Advanced Economy 05
• Advanced Labs 02
• Advanced Labs 03
• Advanced Labs 04
• Advanced Mining 03
• Advanced Robotics 03
• Advanced Robotics 05
• Antimatter Cannon 02
• Antimatter Cannon 04
• Artifact Key 02
• Conifold Field
• Fusion Source 04
• Fusion Source 05
• Fusion Source 06
• Gauss Shield 03
• Gauss Shield 04
• Gauss Shield 05
• Gluon Computer 04
• Improved Hull 06
• Interceptor Bay
• Monolith 01
• Monolith 02
• Monolith 03
• Neutron Absorber
• Orbital 02
• Orbital 03
• Phase Shield 03
• Phase Shield 04
• Plasma Cannon 05
• Plasma Missile 02
• Plasma Missile 04
• Positron Computer 05
• Quantum Grid 02
• Quantum Grid 03
• Starbase 04
• Starbase 05
• Tachyon Drive 01
• Tachyon Source 01
• Tachyon Source 02
• Tachyon Source 04
• Wormhole Generator 03
• Zero-Point Source

I don't know if it's appropriate time to roll these. Once it is could somebody run the 45 through random please? It will be the first 8 since there's already two rares.

[D'rek]

Here ya go:


List Randomizer
There were 45 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

• Advanced Mining 03
• Advanced Economy 05
• Advanced Economy 02
• Phase Shield 04
• Advanced Economy 03
• Orbital 02
• Advanced Robotics 05
• Zero-Point Source
• Advanced Labs 02
• Plasma Missile 02
• Fusion Source 04
• Starbase 05
• Advanced Economy 04
• Wormhole Generator 03
• Tachyon Source 02
• Quantum Grid 02
• Positron Computer 05
• Artifact Key 02
• Phase Shield 03
• Advanced Labs 03
• Fusion Source 06
• Advanced Labs 04
• Gauss Shield 05
• Antimatter Cannon 02
• Gauss Shield 04
• Fusion Source 05
• Gluon Computer 04
• Plasma Missile 04
• Antimatter Cannon 04
• Starbase 04
• Tachyon Source 01
• Plasma Cannon 05
• Orbital 03
• Tachyon Source 04
• Conifold Field
• Gauss Shield 03
• Improved Hull 06
• Quantum Grid 03
• Monolith 01
• Advanced Robotics 03
• Monolith 02
• Monolith 03
• Tachyon Drive 01
• Interceptor Bay
• Neutron Absorber

[cerveza_fiesta]

D, on 10 December 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on 10 December 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

@Morgoth again

Just seeing here on the map, not as dire as I thought. We just need to be ready for defense of psi capricorni and Alpha Centauri. Hardly a gaping hole in the defenses, considering the large amount of moves required to get anything of consequence across the gap. Reading up quickly on the jump drive rules, it appears that its use requires a separate activation, and must take the place of another ship component (but not the regular drive).

So for IH to move a single cruiser into Alpha Centauri (which he could do) it would use up an entire move action plus an upgrade to put a more combat ready part in its place after the move.

Not quite. The Jump Drive is just like any other drive component - each time you "use an arrow" from a MOVe action on a ship, each drive applies once. The Jump Drive works just like a Nuclear Drive, only it can go across half-wormholes or non-wormholes.

ie:

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has a Tachyon Drive and a Nuclear Drive - the cruiser can move 4 hexes normally

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has a Jump Drive and a Nuclear Drive - the cruiser can move 1 hex normally, then 1 hex over any border (in either order)

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has a Jump Drive and a Tachyon Drive - the cruiser can move 3 hexes normally and 1 hex over any border (in any order)

"use an arrow" on a cruiser that has only a Jump Drive - the cruiser can move 1 hex over any border

Oh, right. Sorry. I read that totally wrong. I was paying attention to the example case in the rules and thought it was saying he had to use 2 move actions...he only had to use two "arrows" from a single move action. Got it.

EDIT

Just realized that moving a single space in the phrase "Got it"

changes it to GO TIT.

boobs....funny.

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 10 December 2013 - 06:35 PM

[Morgoth]

Humh, so if I chose to keep the ancient orbital, 105 will count as containing two artifacts?

[Galactic Council]

Danke D'rek.

[D'rek]

Morgoth, on 10 December 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Humh, so if I chose to keep the ancient orbital, 105 will count as containing two artifacts?

Yup!

[D'rek]

Hey IH, if I influence Iota Bootis, would you like to have diplomatic relations?

[cerveza_fiesta]

Indeed it will. I guess it just comes down to whether you think the 5 extra materials will be crucial in you making up the 2VP you lose from placing the orbital. Considering your materials pinch, dropping an artifact key and getting 10 materials could be very beneficial for you. Basically 2 rounds' production in one go. It also gives you the chance to fortify out front and keep pressure on IH in case he gets any funny ideas.

But then, 2 perma VPs is a pretty sweet deal all told.

[D'rek]

cerveza_fiesta, on 10 December 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Indeed it will. I guess it just comes down to whether you think the 5 extra materials will be crucial in you making up the 2VP you lose from placing the orbital. Considering your materials pinch, dropping an artifact key and getting 10 materials could be very beneficial for you. Basically 2 rounds' production in one go. It also gives you the chance to fortify out front and keep pressure on IH in case he gets any funny ideas.

But then, 2 perma VPs is a pretty sweet deal all told.

I'd say if Morgoth is planning on researching Orbital tech anyways it's not worth taking the ancient orbital, but if not and he will utilize the orbital and/or the artifact then it is worth it.

2 VP vs 5 resources is cheap - most VP cost around 4 or more resources (ie Ancient Monument = 4.3 resources per VP)

This post has been edited by D'rek: 10 December 2013 - 07:04 PM

[cerveza_fiesta]

D, on 10 December 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on 10 December 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Indeed it will. I guess it just comes down to whether you think the 5 extra materials will be crucial in you making up the 2VP you lose from placing the orbital. Considering your materials pinch, dropping an artifact key and getting 10 materials could be very beneficial for you. Basically 2 rounds' production in one go. It also gives you the chance to fortify out front and keep pressure on IH in case he gets any funny ideas.

But then, 2 perma VPs is a pretty sweet deal all told.

I'd say if Morgoth is planning on researching Orbital tech anyways it's not worth taking the ancient orbital, but if not and he will utilize the orbital and/or the artifact then it is worth it.

2 VP vs 5 resources is cheap - most VP cost around 4 or more resources (ie Ancient Monument = 4.3 resources per VP)

yeah, good point. I wonder what the average combat VP costs, when you consider all the mixed probabilities RE rep draws and usual distribution of hex point values. I'd like to see somebody figure that out.

[D'rek]

@Khell and Tapper, are you guys okay with me not doing much this round? I can get a lot of resource tweaking and preparation done, but it will use up most of my actions. I'll be able to do a few reactionary measures, like building 3 starbases in Rigel, but not a ton of guerilla maneuvering as before. I think with Tapper grabbing the GC and Khell make his big maneuver last round we mostly want to sit tight on our borders this round anyways. If you guys think you can handle the borders this round I promise I'll have lots to give next round!

[D'rek]

cerveza_fiesta, on 10 December 2013 - 07:06 PM, said:

D, on 10 December 2013 - 07:02 PM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on 10 December 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Indeed it will. I guess it just comes down to whether you think the 5 extra materials will be crucial in you making up the 2VP you lose from placing the orbital. Considering your materials pinch, dropping an artifact key and getting 10 materials could be very beneficial for you. Basically 2 rounds' production in one go. It also gives you the chance to fortify out front and keep pressure on IH in case he gets any funny ideas.

But then, 2 perma VPs is a pretty sweet deal all told.

I'd say if Morgoth is planning on researching Orbital tech anyways it's not worth taking the ancient orbital, but if not and he will utilize the orbital and/or the artifact then it is worth it.

2 VP vs 5 resources is cheap - most VP cost around 4 or more resources (ie Ancient Monument = 4.3 resources per VP)

yeah, good point. I wonder what the average combat VP costs, when you consider all the mixed probabilities RE rep draws and usual distribution of hex point values. I'd like to see somebody figure that out.

If you include everything, it's probably pretty expensive on average since the techs get quite pricey and tech VP only goes up a little each purchase.

But as far as the more conventional pay-resources-get-rep things - ie developments, VPs, racial bonuses - I'd say the average is around 3 or 4. The more expensive ones *usually* are more than just VPs, like the Exiles orbitals are 6 resources for 1 VP, but are also a cube slot and a fighting ship.

OTOH, ambassadors don't cost anything directly and give you a free VP!

[twelve]

3 advanced economy..... So so too late.

[twelve]

But on the plus side I get to play with IH this round. Now pretty please with cherry on top people please leave a gluon computer for me to play with IH with. Please. Please. Please.