[Imperial Historian]

 Gnaw, on 20 November 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

 Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Haha, I do like you, Gnaw

You just can't bring yourself to let another faction have the last word of the round, even if it means bankrupting yourself and your teammates in order to win some sort of Pyrrhic victory at the close of the round. "Got to do something that they don't see coming!"


But, please, don't let me stop you. Go Reaction Action Squadron Go!

My suggestion would mean Tatts spending a full action on a single build. At worst, his new cruiser is positioned in a tactically important spot. If one of you is doesn't pass then he could go after your cruiser.
I understood IH invading Twelve right after I sent ships into Tapper's hex; the loss of my two interceptors is more than justified by the gain of Twelve's homeworld.

Tatts passing was a bit meh. But again i can see the advantage to getting first tech.

I was fully expecting you to buy the warp portal. If you didn't I was prepared to get it next round just to keep it out of Twelve's hands. Drop it in the hex your cruiser is in now and it was defused and made that hex worth another VP.


What has me irked is Tatts sending his dread to the far side of the supernova and IH passing with his own dread just sitting in the hive. I don't understand either of those. If Tatts had moved to 304 to block any possible Twelve retreat we could have him blocked in until the nova blows. Now it's Tatts' dread thats trapped whether the nova blows this round or not. All Twelve has to do is build a ship in the nova.



And wtf is up with 5 guests watching the thread?

I don't have the moves to move my dread, after khell passed I could feasibly do one reaction, but that is best saved for a full move next time, as there is nowhere I can move it in a reaction that will be worthwhile.

Re tatts, I think gaining that system will be better long term, twelve is still going to have difficulty escaping to do any harm.

Re reacting to help you, I think we are better doing that next turn. Reacting now it's unlikely tatts can do a great deal, but next turn with the extra moves he gets from not reacting he can crush khell, and get you some systems.

Are you going to react now and attack drek? That looks to be a good move if you can afford it. An interceptor in range of drek and khells homeworlds will be useful.

[Tattersail_]

 Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

 Gnaw, on 20 November 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

 Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Haha, I do like you, Gnaw

You just can't bring yourself to let another faction have the last word of the round, even if it means bankrupting yourself and your teammates in order to win some sort of Pyrrhic victory at the close of the round. "Got to do something that they don't see coming!"


But, please, don't let me stop you. Go Reaction Action Squadron Go!

My suggestion would mean Tatts spending a full action on a single build. At worst, his new cruiser is positioned in a tactically important spot. If one of you is doesn't pass then he could go after your cruiser.
I understood IH invading Twelve right after I sent ships into Tapper's hex; the loss of my two interceptors is more than justified by the gain of Twelve's homeworld.

Tatts passing was a bit meh. But again i can see the advantage to getting first tech.

I was fully expecting you to buy the warp portal. If you didn't I was prepared to get it next round just to keep it out of Twelve's hands. Drop it in the hex your cruiser is in now and it was defused and made that hex worth another VP.


What has me irked is Tatts sending his dread to the far side of the supernova and IH passing with his own dread just sitting in the hive. I don't understand either of those. If Tatts had moved to 304 to block any possible Twelve retreat we could have him blocked in until the nova blows. Now it's Tatts' dread thats trapped whether the nova blows this round or not. All Twelve has to do is build a ship in the nova.



And wtf is up with 5 guests watching the thread?

I don't have the moves to move my dread, after khell passed I could feasibly do one reaction, but that is best saved for a full move next time, as there is nowhere I can move it in a reaction that will be worthwhile.

Re tatts, I think gaining that system will be better long term, twelve is still going to have difficulty escaping to do any harm.

Re reacting to help you, I think we are better doing that next turn. Reacting now it's unlikely tatts can do a great deal, but next turn with the extra moves he gets from not reacting he can crush khell, and get you some systems.

Are you going to react now and attack drek? That looks to be a good move if you can afford it. An interceptor in range of drek and khells homeworlds will be useful.

I think he is going to react and move the interceptor into enemy territory. From there he can build interceptors next go and wreak havoc

[Tattersail_]

IH if Adv economy does not come next round I am thinking computers and star bases. What are your thoughts regarding first purchase? Plasma cannons and computers?

[Imperial Historian]

Computers and advanced economy would be the two I would be after in your position.

[Tattersail_]

 Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

Computers and advanced economy would be the two I would be after in your position.

Adv economy definitely. I am also excited about next round. The destruction of enemies will be sweet.

[Tattersail_]

Just Khell to go?, then we get the party started.

[Khellendros]

I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

But I will PASS in either case.


@ D'rek:

Are you able to reaction build a ship in Aldebaran? Gnaw's interceptor only has one set of missiles and no computers.

[Tapper]

 Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

But I will PASS in either case.


@ D'rek:

Are you able to reaction build a ship in Aldebaran? Gnaw's interceptor only has one set of missiles and no computers.

I will use the pulsar as my action, but after that I'll pass.
The pass was mostly to make the Reaction Squad know when I'll react and make turns go quicker, smoother and happier.

[Tattersail_]

Announcement. I am on holiday from Thursday to Saturday. Just a little break in Pendle with Jayne. Back Saturday afternoon

[cerveza_fiesta]

I'm fine with taking a break thurs-thru saturday. I've got lots else on the go anyway. We'll at least finish this round before tomorrow at the rate we're going though. Fresh start in Round 5 next week!

[cerveza_fiesta]

@Morgoth,
I see what you're saying about WH generators. We can both afford it, but it's a huge expense right now for us and for others...as a purely defensive move it might be a bit premature - especially with potential for good weapons/computer technology available.
I'm thinking more that it might be a good idea to pick up a source, computer and weapon instead. I could do all 3 next round with the science and extra money I'll have. Alternatively, I could spend it on something big. Go straight for Gluon computers, or even Quantum grid to net me some actions+money for later rounds.
Gluon computers are likely to be around a few rounds yet though...probably better to try and get weapons tech and sources right away, yes?

[Morgoth]

 cerveza_fiesta, on 20 November 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

@Morgoth,
I see what you're saying about WH generators. We can both afford it, but it's a huge expense right now for us and for others...as a purely defensive move it might be a bit premature - especially with potential for good weapons/computer technology available.
I'm thinking more that it might be a good idea to pick up a source, computer and weapon instead. I could do all 3 next round with the science and extra money I'll have. Alternatively, I could spend it on something big. Go straight for Gluon computers, or even Quantum grid to net me some actions+money for later rounds.
Gluon computers are likely to be around a few rounds yet though...probably better to try and get weapons tech and sources right away, yes?

It's hard to get everything we want, but I agree that you should go for techs that will benefit you defensively. A source and better weapons are a must to be sure. You can't use Gluon before you get a source of some kind at any rate. I would hold off on the quantum grid I think, as military defense should be our, or at least your goal right now I reckon.

[twelve]

 Tapper, on 20 November 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

 Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

But I will PASS in either case.


@ D'rek:

Are you able to reaction build a ship in Aldebaran? Gnaw's interceptor only has one set of missiles and no computers.

I will use the pulsar as my action, but after that I'll pass.
The pass was mostly to make the Reaction Squad know when I'll react and make turns go quicker, smoother and happier.

As it's your turn now that Morgoth has passed I highly recommend that you pass as well ending the round. I think it's better that you do not use the pulsar as it gives Gnaw a chance to react and move his interceptors out of your hex and gives you a very good chance of destroying both.

[Galactic Council]

Round 4 Action Phase


Turn 1

Spoiler

Tatts

• Research Improved Hull
• Upkeep -5
• Bank $4, S8, M14
• Production $15, S6, M4

Gnaw

• research neutron bombs -2 sci
• -5 upkeep. 0, Sci 7, Ma 13

Twelve

• Research plasma missiles convert 6 materials to science
• 1$, 0S, 13 M upkeep -3

Imperial Historian

• research advanced mining
  
• Convert 3 production to 1 science,
  
• Upkeep -2 £0 S=0 P=9

Morgoth

• Research - Fusion drive and Fusion Source for 7 science
• $ 2, S 3, M 7,
• Upkeep - 5

CF - RESEARCH - Advanced labs


Tapper .- Research Gauss Shield for 2 science, (middle track).

Khell

• RESEARCH Fusion Source for 6 Science.
• $0, S2, M13

D'rek - RESearch Neutron Bombs for my next action.

Turn 2

Spoiler

Tatts -

• Research Point Defense put it on middle track - 9 science convert 4 materials into 1 science to cover this.
• Upkeep -7
• Bank $4,S0,M10

Gnaw

• Research Cloaking Device -7 science put on middle track
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 13. -7 upkeep

Twelve -

• Gnaw stick with my original provisional
• Build two orbitals in 310 and 318. Colonize them both with science.
• (1$, 0S, 2M Upkeep-5)
• Exchange Ambassadors with IH. Both send monetary gifts.

Imperial Historian

• So upgrade cruiser with 2 improved hull over electron computer and in the blank space, and one positron computer over the hull.
• Upkeep -3 £0 S0 M9

Morgoth provisional Upgrade - Add fusion source and fusion drive to cruiser

CF - Upgrade starbases - Imp hull on blank spot and imp. hull over one regular hull.

Tapper - Influence.

• Flip a colony ship for 1 science. Remove disc from Aldebaran. Turn that colony ship face-up.
• Gnaw, I think you removed the money cube on Aldebaran to the material track instead? Fixed

Khell - INFLUENCE

• Epsilon Carinae and Lambda Serpentis. Colonise all planets (grey planet with science cube). Reveal the discovery.
• So what wondrous creation do I get this time, GC? A clapped-out interceptor? A tech I already possess maybe? Oh, a piece of lint from your pocket perhaps?
  
• Discovery is Free Ancient Cruiser 02. He keeps as cruiser.
  

D'rek - Provisional: Research Advanced Mining (-9 science)

Turn 3

Spoiler

Tatts -

• Upgrade Cruiser and Dreadnought, Improved Hull over normal hull.
• Upkeep - 10
• Bank $4,S0,M10
• Production $15,S6,M4

Gnaw - Build

• 2 interceptors in Arcturus
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 7
• -10 upkeep.

Twelve - Provisional Influence

No I will have one adv material slot not populated. Don't populate 304 with an influence disk and colonize the adv material slot and I'll be good.

• -remove influence disk on supernova
• -return all three population cubes to materials
• reset 2 colony ships 3 ships available.
• -move influence disk from player board back to supernova
• -populate 2 grey slots on supernova to science. use the last colony ship on the adv material slot on the supernova while we are at it.
• (1$, 0S, 2M Upkeep -7
  

Imperial Historian -

• BUILD 2 x cruisers in the hive hex
• Upkeep -5 £0 S0 M1

Morgoth - Move - both cruisers to my single tier 2 system

CF

• CONVERT 4 money to 2 materials.
  
• BUILD Orbital in Psi Capricorni (or whatever it's called...up next to Arcturus and Alpha Centauri, NW of my homeworld),
  
• populate with SCIENCE.
  
• BUILD Starbase in Formahaut. POPULATE two advanced science slots, one on homeworld and one on Formahaut.
  • @Rules:
  • Not that I have anything to do with an extra colony ship just now, but does the above constitute a use of 2 or 3 colony ships? In other words, does building an orbital require a colony ship to populate it or does it populate by default? Has to be populated
    
• I should add that my provisional move is incumbent on no aggressive action or posturing taken against me or my ally.

Tapper

• I think the money cube from Aldebaran was moved to materials, instead.
• fixed
  

• Research Positron Computer and flip 3 colonyships for science, please - it should come with a discount of -3, and +3 science gained --> 10 - 5 + 3 = 8.
• That also gives me a discovery tile, please - any ships/orbitals/warp portals et cetera are deployed in my homeworld should I keep them.
  • http://orokos.com/roll/149569#
    Description r4 Tapper magellan 4th tech discovery. 19 available
    Results 1#1d19: 1 # 19 [1d19=19]
  • Shard Hull - place over hull point on dread.
    
• so I'd be at 5 money (+8 income), 8 science (+6 income), 6 materials (+6 income) at upkeep -7.

Khell

• And Tapper sounds like he'll be researching, so I will say:
• Turn 3: RESEARCH Neutron Bombs.
• $0, S0, M13

D'rek

INFluence:

• --move a disc from the influence track to Aldebaran
• --move a disc from Delta Eridani to Phi Piscum (science cube goes back to population track)
• --colonize Advanced Materials slot in Beta Lyrae
• --colonize money slot in Phi Piscum
• --colonize Advanced Materials slot in Aldebaran
• --flip up two colony ships
• --colonize Advanced Science slot in Aldebaran
• --colonize Advanced Science slot in Phi Piscum

Turn 4

Spoiler

Tatts

• Pass 1st of Round
• Upkeep - 10
• Bank $4,S0,M10
• Production $15,S6,M4

Gnaw -

• Move 2 interceptors from Arcturus to Epsilon Indi.
• $0, Sc 0, Ma 7. -17 -13 upkeep

Twelve

• Provisionally PASS Second of round
  
• (1$,0S,2M Upkeep -7)

IH

• move 2 x crusiers into twelves homeworld
  
• Upkeep -7 £0 S0 M1
  • Return the diplomatic relations cube to the materials track, take the traitor card
  • Twelve - Return mine to Money

Morgoth - Move - both cruisers from 201 to 221

CF - Pass

Tapper - Influence and flip colony ship

Khell - UPGRADE: Remove one Plasma Cannon from dread; Insert Nuclear Drive in blank spot on Dread, and in blank spot on Cruiser.

D'rek - Pass

Turn 5

Spoiler

Tatts - provisional Move dread to 310

Gnaw - Pass

Twelve - no reaction

IH - Pass

Morgoth - Upgrade - Add improved hull over hull on cruiser, add improved hull over empty slot on starbase.

CF - no reaction

Tapper -

• Research Advanced Robotics.
• Flip a colony ship for 1 mats (6 --> 7).

Khell -

• RESEARCH Warp Portal for 8 materials.
• Place in that far hex where my dread and cruiser are.

D'rek - No reaction

Turn 6

Spoiler

Tatts - no reaction


Gnaw - No reaction

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction

Morgoth - Move cruisers to Arcturus

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - Provisionally: Influence. Flip a colony ship face up. Flip it face down for materials.

Khell - MOVE Dreadnaught to Lambda Aurigae, MOVE Cruiser to Zeta Chameleontis.

D'rek - no reaction confirmed

Turn 7


Tatts - no reaction (confirmed)


Gnaw - reaction

• Upgrade interceptor blueprint by replacing missiles in blank spot with nuclear drive.
• -17 upkeep. $0, Sc 0, Ma 7

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction

Morgoth - pass?? I think I saw him say that earlier.

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - pulsar: build a fighter in the world with 2 science planets

Khell - But I will PASS in either case. I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

D'rek - ?


Turn 8


Tatts - no reaction (assumed)


Gnaw -

Twelve - no reaction

IH - no reaction (assumed)

Morgoth - no reaction (assumed)

CF - no reaction unless invaded

Tapper - Provisional pass unless someone moves ships into my systems. Action phase will end here if Tapper does pass.

Khell -

D'rek -




So we're on D'rek for turn 7.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 20 November 2013 - 04:54 PM

[D'rek]

 Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

But I will PASS in either case.


@ D'rek:

Are you able to reaction build a ship in Aldebaran? Gnaw's interceptor only has one set of missiles and no computers.

I can if I need to.

Turn 7 - no reaction

[D'rek]

 twelve, on 20 November 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

 Tapper, on 20 November 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

 Khellendros, on 20 November 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

I want to know if Tapper is using his pulsar this turn or passing.

But I will PASS in either case.


@ D'rek:

Are you able to reaction build a ship in Aldebaran? Gnaw's interceptor only has one set of missiles and no computers.

I will use the pulsar as my action, but after that I'll pass.
The pass was mostly to make the Reaction Squad know when I'll react and make turns go quicker, smoother and happier.

As it's your turn now that Morgoth has passed I highly recommend that you pass as well ending the round. I think it's better that you do not use the pulsar as it gives Gnaw a chance to react and move his interceptors out of your hex and gives you a very good chance of destroying both.

I agree, but I think it's too late for that now, the pulsar action was submitted. Oh well.

[Imperial Historian]

So presumably Gnaw is going to move his ship into one of the nearby systems, then we wait on Tapper for confirmation of final pass/not pass, then we can get some battles going!

EDIT: I don't suppose we'll get Tatts first move before he goes? I'm sure it's going to be research advanced economy or positron comps, but i suppose the tech draw might throw something new into the mix.

[D'rek]

 Imperial Historian, on 20 November 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

So presumably Gnaw is going to move his ship into one of the nearby systems, then we wait on Tapper for confirmation of final pass/not pass, then we can get some battles going!

Yup. If Gnaw bypasses Tapper's interceptor, than instead of passing Tapper can move his interceptor to wherever Gnaw's interceptor ends up, though, and we'll have another round of no reactions to go through.

[Imperial Historian]

Well i presume he's going to move an interceptor to 107, 102 or 208, they each have their appeal. I'd probably go 107 or 208, so he'd be moving his dread

[Khellendros]

Yaaaaaaaaawn.

I propose next game we ban reactions except for purely defensive reasons, i.e. if someone invades your territory