[Gnaw]

I'm going to have to do an influence to pull one or two discs. I just need to know which one you all are going after.

I have to have two actions. an Upgrade and a Move.

So whatever we decide, we need to do it this turn.

[Imperial Historian]

So yeah on balance lets go for the hive.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Didn't realize things had come back around to me again. I meant my last post as a summary of the previous disjointed ones, and to update my action / economy summary. Here is turn 2:

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PRIORITY SUBSPACE TRANSMISSION <<RELAY VIA FORMAHAUT DIRECTIONAL TRANSMITTER >> PROCYON RELAY>>
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Destination - Jupiter Base, Directorate Millitary HQ
Origin - Formahaut Colony
Subject - Assistance required
Classification - EMERGENCY, Encrypted
Language - English
Stardate - 2013-11-07:18:59

Admiral Booie,

We have lost control of the ship production facility on Formahaut Gamma. An armed, organized rebel group believed to be composed of shipyard workers seized control of the forcefield generators at 17:20 today and locked us out. They slaughtered any staff inside loyal to the Directorate regime and are preparing to launch our two military space stations, the New York and the London. They claim to have access to launch codes, and assert that they are trained in the use of the stations' weapon systems. What's more, they have laid claim to the Formahaut sector in the name of "the true Supreme Director".


I have not been made aware of any intelligence that might have prevented this, sir. It came completely out of left field. We are doing what we can to sabotage the stations' launch but it seems unlikely that we will succeed.


Requesting military aid immediately. We will do what we can until you arrive but our means are limited.


Pat Stamper,


Formahaut Military Sub-Adjunct


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TRANSMISSION ENDS
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SUMMARY UP TO DATE

R3A2 - Build 2 starbases in Formahaut

DIRECTORATE ECONOMIC SUMMARY

Upkeep - 5

Money: 3
Science: 0
Materials: 5


DIRECTORATE PRODUCTION SUMMARY


Money +10
Science +6
Material +6

[Gnaw]

I proposed the hive because of your new cruiser. It does block our access to each other. And Tatts can't afford to get his ships too far away from home. imo

[Gnaw]

Influence action
Remove influence disc from 212 and 307

[Galactic Council]

Round 3 Turn 1

Twelve

• Research Science Development -4$, -8 Materials,
• +12 science.
• (0$, 19S, 8M Upkeep -5)

Gnaw

• Research Plasma Missile -14 science
• -7 upkeep $2, Sc 1, Ma 7

Tatts

• Influence. Same as above.
• Remove from supernova to iota bootus.
• Colonize both planets.
• Influence supernova
• colonize with money and science
• Upkeep -5 production $10 s 6 m 4 bank $2 s4 m9
  
• I'm assuming there are some "flip ships back up in here?
• $15, S 6, M 4 Is this right?

D'rek

• RESearch Advanced Labs
• Colonize the advanced science slots in Lambda Tauri and Beta Lyrae
  

Khell

• Convert 3 materials to 1 money.
• RESEARCH Mining Fleet for 5 money and 5 science. Gain +12 materials.
• $0, S4, M13

Tapper
Pulsar: upgrade a second ion cannon onto my fighters (empty slot).


CF

• Terran directorate offers diplomatic relations to the Descendants of Draco, who accept. Place material cube
• RESEARCH orbitals - convert 2 money to science.
• DIRECTORATE ECONOMIC SUMMARY
  • Upkeep - 3
  • Money: 5-2=3
  • Science: 6+1-7=0
  • Materials: 11
• DIRECTORATE PRODUCTION SUMMARY
  • Money +10
  • Science +6
  • Material +4+2=+6

Morgoth

• Research - Plasma Cannons and Advanced Economy for a total of 12 science.
• $ 0, S 2, M 3

IH

• EXPlore Nw of 101, Upkeep: 0 Money £1 S5 M4
• : Also my board is wrong i should have 1 money in the bank
• You discover an Ancient HIve. Shocked I'm sure.

Turn 2


Twelve

• Research Plasma Cannons
• (0$, 14S, 8M -7 Upkeep)

Gnaw

• Accept diplmacy with CF. Send a materials to Ambassador-to-Humans. (CF: materials on his)
• Influence Action
• Influence Hive, Colonize money planet
• Influence Vega. Colonize grey planet with money.
• Flip both colony ships back up.

Tatts

• upgrade. Remove hull from source on dread and cruiser. Upgrade cruiser with fusion drive over shield and dread with fusion drive over shield
• Upkeep -7

D'rek - BUIld two interceptors in Delta Eridani.


Khell - MOVE interceptor from homeworld to Pollux.

Tapper - Develop the Money Fleet.


CF

• R3A2 - Build 2 starbases in Formahaut
• DIRECTORATE ECONOMIC SUMMARY
  • Upkeep - 5
  • Money: 3
  • Science: 0
  • Materials: 5
• DIRECTORATE PRODUCTION SUMMARY
  • Money +10
  • Science +6
  • Material +6

Morgoth Upgrade - Plasma over ion cannons on fighter and cruiser



IH

• INFluence 101, colonise both planets, flip up colony ships.
• IH discovery roll
  • Description r3 t2 IH discovery tile from 101 23 available (Last two rolls in log were voided)
  • http://orokos.com/roll/148023#
  • Results 1#1d23: 1 # 10 [1d23=10]
  • 10 == Free Ancient Cruiser 01
  • 22 discoveries left

Turn 3

Twelve

• Action 3 Research Advanced Mining (0$, 6S, 8M Upkeep -10) 5sci. the research cost 9 not 8
  
• Colonize all three advanced mining planets available.

Gnaw - Influence action

• Remove influence disc from 212 and 307
• -13 upkeep $2, S 1, M 7.

Tatts



D'rek



Khell



Tapper



CF



Morgoth



CF



IH

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 07 November 2013 - 11:56 PM

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 07 November 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

twelve, on 07 November 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 November 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

IH, Tatts. What do you all think of taking the hive out this turn? It's blocking the best route between our territories.

Two Cruisers, two dreads. And maybe IH's int just to be safe?

Nononononono!!!!!! Stop the other alliance from taking the center. That is a priority!!!!

Silly exiles. Do you really think 5 or 6 interceptors are going to take that out?

With D'rek and Tapper with 2 cannons per and Khell with 2 pts of damage per hit I think their odds are pretty good actually. Every 3 rounds the GDC should on average take out 2 interceptors so if you figure WCS they lose two in round one leaving 4 interceptors. But on average with just 4 interceptors they land one hit every round so after three rounds there are 4 interceptors to 2 HP left for the GDC. So the next three rounds WCS lose two in round 4 so it's two interceptors left and they should land 2 more hits.

I'd say the overall odds of winning are roughly 70% with 6 interceptors with the listed upgrades. I bumped it up a little as hits from Khell's ships cause more damage. D'rek what did the simulator give you for odds?

[Imperial Historian]

I'm not taking the free cruiser. VP are definitely worth more.

My upgraded dread has ~80% odds vs the hive, if tatts brings in a ship odds should swing even more in my favour.

I'm not sure whether it is going to be best to move in the one dread, and upgrade it so it's more suited to a fight or move in both ships. Moving in both ships probably gives better odds, but i imagine there is a high chance that tatts would lose a ship. Moving in one and upgrading gives lower odds, but less chance tatts would lose a ship.

Though odds are still 95% if Tatts moves in an unmodified dread

[Gnaw]

Imperial Historian said:

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I'm not taking the free cruiser. VP are definitely worth more.

My upgraded dread has ~80% odds vs the hive, if tatts brings in a ship odds should swing even more in my favour.

I'm not sure whether it is going to be best to move in the one dread, and upgrade it so it's more suited to a fight or move in both ships. Moving in both ships probably gives better odds, but i imagine there is a high chance that tatts would lose a ship. Moving in one and upgrading gives lower odds, but less chance tatts would lose a ship.

Though odds are still 95% if Tatts moves in an unmodified dread

Huh?
Given your production you're giving up 5 mats for 2VP???????
Just when I was going to give Twelve shift for being too dependent on the simulator.
I'm tempted to change that influence action. If you lose Twelve can walk in on the survivor(s)

[Imperial Historian]

Yeah that works, tatts moves in one dread and we should be able to take out the hive. Tatts can either do that via one move and pass, or he can do it in two reactions and pass first this round. Or he could grab some research and pass later in the round, depends how eager he is to grab advanced labs I guess.

I could see CF and twelve passing on the next go round.

[Imperial Historian]

Giving up 2VP for 1 round of material production (a cruiser costs me 4 materials) doesn't seem particularly smart. There are very few occasion where I will take something other than VP from a discovery tile. 4 materials for 2VP is a trade i'll make at nearly any point in the game.

[twelve]

Gnaw, on 07 November 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 07 November 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

I'm not taking the free cruiser. VP are definitely worth more.

My upgraded dread has ~80% odds vs the hive, if tatts brings in a ship odds should swing even more in my favour.

I'm not sure whether it is going to be best to move in the one dread, and upgrade it so it's more suited to a fight or move in both ships. Moving in both ships probably gives better odds, but i imagine there is a high chance that tatts would lose a ship. Moving in one and upgrading gives lower odds, but less chance tatts would lose a ship.

Though odds are still 95% if Tatts moves in an unmodified dread

Huh?
Given your production you're giving up 5 mats for 2VP???????
Just when I was going to give Twelve shift for being too dependent on the simulator.
I'm tempted to change that influence action. If you lose Twelve can walk in on the survivor(s)

I don't use the simulator. I calculate by hand and I understand what I calculate is a rough calculation of the average expected outcome. But I'd take even 60% odds against the GDC with only 2 interceptors at stake and I think that is probably the low end of the expected odds.

[Galactic Council]

Round 3 Turn 1

Spoiler

Twelve

• Research Science Development -4$, -8 Materials,
• +12 science.
• (0$, 19S, 8M Upkeep -5)

Gnaw

• Research Plasma Missile -14 science
• -7 upkeep $2, Sc 1, Ma 7

Tatts

• Influence. Same as above.
• Remove from supernova to iota bootus.
• Colonize both planets.
• Influence supernova
• colonize with money and science
• Upkeep -5 production $10 s 6 m 4 bank $2 s4 m9
  
• I'm assuming there are some "flip ships back up in here?
• $10, S 8, M 6 Is this right?

D'rek

• RESearch Advanced Labs
• Colonize the advanced science slots in Lambda Tauri and Beta Lyrae
  

Khell

• Convert 3 materials to 1 money.
• RESEARCH Mining Fleet for 5 money and 5 science. Gain +12 materials.
• $0, S4, M13

Tapper
Pulsar: upgrade a second ion cannon onto my fighters (empty slot).


CF

• Terran directorate offers diplomatic relations to the Descendants of Draco, who accept. Place material cube
• RESEARCH orbitals - convert 2 money to science.
• DIRECTORATE ECONOMIC SUMMARY
  • Upkeep - 3
  • Money: 5-2=3
  • Science: 6+1-7=0
  • Materials: 11
• DIRECTORATE PRODUCTION SUMMARY
  • Money +10
  • Science +6
  • Material +4+2=+6

Morgoth

• Research - Plasma Cannons and Advanced Economy for a total of 12 science.
• $ 0, S 2, M 3

IH

• EXPlore Nw of 101, Upkeep: 0 Money £1 S5 M4
• : Also my board is wrong i should have 1 money in the bank
• You discover an Ancient HIve. Shocked I'm sure.

Turn 2


Twelve

• Research Plasma Cannons
• (0$, 14S, 8M -7 Upkeep)

Gnaw

• Accept diplmacy with CF. Send a materials to Ambassador-to-Humans. (CF: materials on his)
• Influence Action
• Influence Hive, Colonize money planet
• Influence Vega. Colonize grey planet with money.
• Flip both colony ships back up.

Tatts

• upgrade. Remove hull from source on dread and cruiser. Upgrade cruiser with fusion drive over shield and dread with fusion drive over shield
• Upkeep -7

D'rek - BUIld two interceptors in Delta Eridani.


Khell - MOVE interceptor from homeworld to Pollux.

Tapper - Develop the Money Fleet.


CF

• R3A2 - Build 2 starbases in Formahaut
• DIRECTORATE ECONOMIC SUMMARY
  • Upkeep - 5
  • Money: 3
  • Science: 0
  • Materials: 5
• DIRECTORATE PRODUCTION SUMMARY
  • Money +10
  • Science +6
  • Material +6

Morgoth Upgrade - Plasma over ion cannons on fighter and cruiser



IH

• INFluence 101, colonise both planets, flip up colony ships.
• IH discovery roll
  • Description r3 t2 IH discovery tile from 101 23 available (Last two rolls in log were voided)
  • http://orokos.com/roll/148023#
  • Results 1#1d23: 1 # 10 [1d23=10]
  • 10 == Free Ancient Cruiser 01
  • 22 discoveries left
  • Takes as VP

Turn 3

Twelve

• Action 3 Research Advanced Mining (0$, 6S, 8M Upkeep -10) 5sci. the research cost 9 not 8
  
• Colonize all three advanced mining planets available.

Gnaw - Influence action

• Remove influence disc from 212 and 307
• -13 upkeep $2, S 1, M 7.

Tatts



D'rek



Khell



Tapper



CF



Morgoth



CF



IH

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 08 November 2013 - 12:05 AM

[Khellendros]

Gnaw, cancel those provisionals I gave you, I'm cogitating.

[twelve]

Gnaw my calculations are correct. Adv mining cost 8 science because I purchased plasma cannons before I purchased Adv Mining thus lowering the cost one more to a net discount of 2.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 08 November 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Gnaw, cancel those provisionals I gave you, I'm cogitating.

We're still putting you in first, right? Then I'll move my two interceptors to Alderaan, rather than one all the way into the GCDS now.

[Galactic Council]

twelve, on 08 November 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

Gnaw my calculations are correct. Adv mining cost 8 science because I purchased plasma cannons before I purchased Adv Mining thus lowering the cost one more to a net discount of 2.

That may be so. But my figures are just as correct as yours.

How can we both be right?

I'm glad you asked.

I put the star into the cog line.

fixed now.

[Galactic Council]

If D'rek, Khell, and Tapper are moving we can do that without Tatts.


Also CF maybe?

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 08 November 2013 - 12:20 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 08 November 2013 - 12:01 AM, said:

Gnaw, cancel those provisionals I gave you, I'm cogitating.

We're still putting you in first, right? Then I'll move my two interceptors to Alderaan, rather than one all the way into the GCDS now.

Ancients target last one into the hex right in alliances right?

[Imperial Historian]

On the slim chance it gets back round to me:

UPGrade improved hull over both hull on my dreadnought, and positron computer on the blank slot in my interceptor

Upkeep -3 £1 S5 M4