[koehkont]

So in this book Bottle talks about his grandmother being a wax witch and making puppets for the children in a little village. So I was thinking could this be the wax witch from the prologue from GotM? She also makes candles and lives near a small village. She ends up inside Apsalar. I don't have any solid proof for this, but it would be very Eriksonian to tie some strings between the prologue of his first book and a seemingly unimportant passage in his last book. I was wondering if other people thought of this, because it was the first thing that popped into my mind when I read about Bottle's grandmother.

[Spoilsport Stonny]

It would be neat-o if they were one and the same, but there's just not enough evidence that they are. Doesn't hurt to think that they are though, but then what does that add to the story, except some kind of callback thing with no real point. I think the bigger thing is that it shapes out Bottle's character and gives some background on why he has a connection to the things he does, and later books hint at doll-making rituals. i think it just sort of adds to the fullness of SE's magic systems.

[Dolmen 2.0]

It could be quite interesting to have that cyclical link. From the end back to the beginning Erikson would likely afford us that loop. I think it could add interest to the characters involved if bottles magic was somehow brought into the folds of shadow? Him being part of the empire following the tie he has with his grandmother all the way to Shadow-throne and cotillion could make for an entertaining sub-story. Iskaral Pust included ofcourse

[koehkont]

Dolmen+, on 18 September 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

It could be quite interesting to have that cyclical link. From the end back to the beginning Erikson would likely afford us that loop. I think it could add interest to the characters involved if bottles magic was somehow brought into the folds of shadow? Him being part of the empire following the tie he has with his grandmother all the way to Shadow-throne and cotillion could make for an entertaining sub-story. Iskaral Pust included ofcourse

Pust and his most magnificent mule of course . I'm trying to think if Apsalar and Bottle met at some point in the Bonehunters maybe? This might have triggered some memory or recognition in Apsalar. What you say is interesting indeed. Bottle would have some ties to shadow then and he uses the same type of magic as Quick Ben (the dolls and strings). And as we know Quick has a precacrious relation with shadow. It could also be that I'm seeing too much in these things, but once you are used to the way of thinking and writing of Erikson it's very hard to stop seeing connections in everything.

[Abyss]

Apsalar's Wax Witch was Itko Kanese. I don't think there's any suggestion of Kan blood in Bottle, tho since it's his grandmother she's removed enough that it's not unthinkable.

[Studious Lock]

bottles from Malaz island isnt he?

[nacht]

Studious Lock, on 18 September 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

bottles from Malaz island isnt he?

Jakata, which seems to be a region of Malaz Island.

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‘A presentiment, Sergeant. I was…many years past…a priest of D’rek, in the Jakatakan temple on Malaz Island.’

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His grandmother would know what to do about this situation, but she was long dead and her spirit was anchored to the old farm outside Jakata, a thousand leagues from here.

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‘Yes sir, I think so. They’ve got some interesting mages, including an old style warlock from the Jakata people who were the first people on Malaz Island after the Stormriders retreated.

[James Hutton]

Dolmen+, on 18 September 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

It could be quite interesting to have that cyclical link.

There is an albeit small cyclical link: in GotM chapter 1, the Wax Witch is said drop her bag of potatoes when the group of armoured riders race by and one of the soldiers hits her. Then, at the end of tCG, Crokus rides on the road to the same fishing village, searching for Apsalar, and notices a patch of potato plants growing along side the road.

I think it's funny how somebody who writes a monumental series like the MBotF remembers something small like that and cares to incorporate it in his work.

This post has been edited by James Hutton: 19 September 2013 - 08:26 AM

[Spoilsport Stonny]

Leave it Crokus to notice a potato plant on the side of the road while searching for his long lost love. Honestly to the naked eye, they could appear to be just an ordinary shrubbery!

[Abyss]

James Hutton, on 19 September 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 18 September 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

It could be quite interesting to have that cyclical link.

There is an albeit small cyclical link: in GotM chapter 1, the Wax Witch is said drop her bag of potatoes when the group of armoured riders race by and one of the soldiers hits her. Then, at the end of tCG, Crokus rides on the road to the same fishing village, searching for Apsalar, and notices a patch of potato plants growing along side the road.

I think it's funny how somebody who writes a monumental series like the MBotF remembers something small like that and cares to incorporate it in his work.

Wow. I TOTALLY missed that.

Nice one, have rep.

[Grimjazz]

James Hutton, on 19 September 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

Dolmen+, on 18 September 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

It could be quite interesting to have that cyclical link.

There is an albeit small cyclical link: in GotM chapter 1, the Wax Witch is said drop her bag of potatoes when the group of armoured riders race by and one of the soldiers hits her. Then, at the end of tCG, Crokus rides on the road to the same fishing village, searching for Apsalar, and notices a patch of potato plants growing along side the road.

I think it's funny how somebody who writes a monumental series like the MBotF remembers something small like that and cares to incorporate it in his work.

Odd how this minor connection has really cheered me up. t

[Khazduk]

James Hutton, on 19 September 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

I think it's funny how somebody who writes a monumental series like the MBotF remembers something small like that and cares to incorporate it in his work.

Well spotted! But I think there is no contradiction in monumental vs. small in this case (and countless others like it throughout). On the contrary it is the sum of all these parts that makes it monumental. Real. Better than life (most days).

[Daeg]

I missed that point also...but I think one of the reoccurring themes in the story was how things always seemed to tie together...tavore killing her sister...the whirlwind goddess being onrack's estranged wife....onrack and kilava's one night together producing a son who carried the flint knife created by gothos to house scabandari's soul...

Convergence didn't seem to only pertain to power..but also to simple fate