[Liosan]

Movement:

Liosan, on 27 August 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

For the Day 2 end of day movement phase, take me to Judge Wallace's Office.

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

For the Day 3 end of day movement phase, take me back to Mud Street. It's time to return the favor to the bastards who put me here in the first place.

Path-Shaper, on 28 August 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Question: Do I need to be at a place overnight to distribute the 1 damage to everyone, or do I need to stay past that time into the next day?

If it is just over night, after Night 3 during the dawn move phase I would like to move to Ricketty Shack (see if I can destroy that site).

Just the night.

Path-Shaper, on 28 August 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

I will live to see how this whole jalan thing turns out. He's setting himself up, giving away too much. Please let me know if I am getting too close to revealing. I'm trying to point out I'm not the card shark without explicitly saying so (thought would it be a mod-kill if I flat out say I'm not a certain role?)

I am going to say that it would be a modkill. Tapper has been pretty insistent that people don't reveal shit about shit. So if you suspect that it might possibly be modkill able then don't do it.


Venge

Path-Shaper, on 29 August 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Liosan, on 29 August 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

Cancel all prior moves.

If I survive, move me to Mud Street at the end of day 3 and then to Betty's Bar end of night 3.





And I really need a question answered (for my life's sake): can I make friendships again?

moves noted - and what vengy's saying: enough denials make you still saying a truth

Path-Shaper, on 01 September 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Liosan, on 29 August 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Ok, sorry if I've messed anything up (I don't think so, but apologies just in case)

Nothing, as far as I can see.
Please note: you're a solo but you can use that to your advantage, hopefully.

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

What happens if I invest in a location?

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Day/Night 4:
Move to Outlaw's Refuge during the dusk movement phase. Stay there for the Dawn movement.

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

Delete prior move order:

Day/Night 4: Move to Ricketty Shack and stay there for the Dawn Movement.

Path-Shaper, on 04 September 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

What happens if I invest in a location?

It shows up as Team Liosan

[Liosan]

Liosan Day actions thread:

Path-Shaper, on 21 August 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

Liosan, on 21 August 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Day 1:

Diamond[6] Build Station

Pixie Dust[1] Shielded Torso

Pixie Dust[1] Solar Cell. ***only if I haven't used any bullets by mid-day****

Gold Dust[2] Steam Stomach
Pixie Dust[1]

Clubs[3] Battery
Cheat[4]

cheers!

Path-Shaper, on 21 August 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

Liosan, on 21 August 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

So bullets used for abilities and items are deducted only at the midday rien resolution correct? I cannot have items in my inventory before then right? And can I invest in my location now and do the build location later or is that not permitted? And if I invest, bullets are deducted automatically correct?

Yes, no, yes, no.... but.

Actions that you can resolve yourself (cantrips for example) you resolve immediately, subtracting Bullets. Same for voting/removing vote.
Everything else comes into effect end of the day.

However, resolution orders MAY allow you to immediately use a die created by an action.

Liosan, on 21 August 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

Like hexes, right?

Path-Shaper, on 21 August 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

Yup

Path-Shaper, on 23 August 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 August 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Two questions whenever you have a chance:

Can we reveal our factions, etc in off thread communications?

yes.

Quote

If it was agreed upon among people in off thread communication, could we use you as a confirmatory source for our claims?

No.

Path-Shaper, on 26 August 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

So I'm going to add my cheat(3) to my spades(3) for a shoot out unless I don't do the shoot out. I have to get off mud street.

Yup.

Path-Shaper, on 26 August 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Sigh, not only am I the lynch d'jour but I'm cornered and reckless. Poor me.

Sorry you're stressed PS

Nps, seem we share it

Path-Shaper, on 27 August 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Liosan, on 27 August 2013 - 12:40 AM, said:

Hey PS, what happens if Denul does want to establish a friendship? Are you going to tell him he can't or do I when he sets up a PM with me?

Tell him you're not allowed by P-S as the effects of an ability that's used on you, please.
He still loses the dice.

[Liosan]

Liosan / Grasp friendship already up,

Liosan Action thread:

Path-Shaper, on 23 August 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

Day phase, cycle 1.

Quote

Liosan uses Build Station for Diamond[6]
Liosan creates Item Battery for Cheat [4], Clubs[3]
Liosan creates Item Pixie Dust[1] Shielded Torso
Liosan creates Item Pixie Dust[1] Solar Cell
Liosan creates Item Gold Dust[2] Steam Stomach

Path-Shaper, on 23 August 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

All actions go through.

Path-Shaper, on 23 August 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

You lose 1 Health during the night.
Your leftmost Dodge + Luck dice are used.

Path-Shaper, on 25 August 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Liosan, on 23 August 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:

Did all my dice get reset? Or do you just trust me to do that automatically?

I trust you to do that

Liosan, on 25 August 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

For Day two: All dice reset, with the the health die reduced to demonstrate last night's damage and the Cheat[1] die out of commission until I can restore it tomorrow.


Bullets: 5
Aim: 3,3
Dodge: 1
Luck: 3,2
Health: 4 3,2,1,1

Clubs: 3,2
Diamonds: 6,1
Hearts: 3,2,1
Spades: 3,1
Cheat: 3,1

Path-Shaper, on 26 August 2013 - 10:49 AM, said:

Sanity effects during day/night cycle 1:

You lose 5 Sanity from undisclosed effects, setting your Sanity to 2.

Path-Shaper, on 26 August 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

Fuck. I assume I can't move until end of day, correct?

correct.

Path-Shaper, on 26 August 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

So do I have to wait for jay to accept or am I moved automatically? And what is the time limit for him to act?

As soon as he sees it, you can demand an answer, too. Must answer before the end of day. Please note that there is a refuse clause.

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

I see there is a refuse clause unfortunately, but my options are limited If I want to stay on the team. Can I enforce a due date on his reply? He needs to answer me before midday.

Liosan, on 26 August 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Whew! Did it. And maybe I'll get out without a fight

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on 27 August 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Liosan, on 27 August 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

Ok, if I can wait until the end of the day to do this (otherwise do it at the mid-point), invest all remaining suits into my location (I can do multiple dice from one suit in one go right?). So far that is minus the Spade[3].

Nevermind, Just invest 3 clubs, 6 diamonds, and 3 hearts into the location at the end of the day (or mid-day if I cannot submit this after the midpoint; I can can't I?)

you can submit investments at any time, even during move phases (but if you move yourself, then only for your new destination).

Path-Shaper, on 27 August 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

Liosan, on 27 August 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

So my investment will go to the place I am at (e.g. If I leave ddd, if I invested before I move, the investment will stay there )?

Yes.

Liosan, on 27 August 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

Excellent. Just what I wanted to hear

Path-Shaper, on 28 August 2013 - 10:11 AM, said:

As a result of movement phase 1, you lose 3 Sanity, setting you to a negative number.

You are now a member of the Liosan faction and you win when all other factions are eliminated. Good luck- you will need it.

Path-Shaper, on 28 August 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Sigh. Knew that was coming. Wish me luck PS.

Luck.

Path-Shaper, on 28 August 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 August 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

How are you holding up there?

Barely. These resolutions are massive and I can't really organise everything at work.
I need a day at home to (re)organise everything, but since we have a young kitten, she won't really let me do stuff without crashing something to get my attention and I underestimated the impact of a relationship on Mafia, too .

Haha. Tell me about it. Well GF and cat are more important (thinking long term). Hope everything smooths out for you.

Oh, they are. So instead of modding 18 hours I now spend 3 at work, 1 when I come home, and 2x 0.5 in the evening. Leaves me with much to catch up, though.

Path-Shaper, on 29 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Liosan, on 28 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Now that I am faction less, can I begin friendships?

You can - the one broken with Nimander was because of his conditions for the conversation.

Liosan, on 29 August 2013 - 01:17 PM, said:

Sorry to pester you PS, but given my precarious situation I need to know if I can make friendships . Thanks! (And I would start mod-killing. You need to back up your threats. Trust me, as a parent, I know )

Liosan, on 29 August 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

Thank you! Bon appetite!

Path-Shaper, on 01 September 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

You lose 2 Health during the night phase and your highest dodge and luck dice become used. Your first health die becomes [4 -> 2]
Then, you lose 1 Health during the Night Phase. [4 -> 1]
Thyen, you lose 4 health and your second Luck die becomes used. Your first health die is completely used up, you now have [2][1][1] health remaining.

Liosan, on 01 September 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

Actually, unless my leftmost die was healed, it was actually 3 not 4, so I an wondering if I am now (1)(1)

Liosan, on 01 September 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

For Day four: All dice reset with cheat[3] restored and loss of health die accounted below.

Bullets: 5
Aim: 3,3
Dodge: 1
Luck: 3,2
Health: 1,1

Clubs: 3,2
Diamonds: 6,1
Hearts: 3,2,1
Spades: 3,1
Cheat: 3,1

---------------

Today I would like to buy:

Advanced Algorithm: Gold Dust[2], Pixie Dust[1]
Extractor Arm: Diamonds[6]

-------------------

Far right dice will be after these purchases:
Sanity [-1]
Gold Dust [0]
Pixie Dust [0]
Speed [2]
Attunement [9]

[Liosan]

Path-Shaper, on 02 September 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Liosan, on 01 September 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Used the cheat and hearts (unless I am allowed to use all three heart die, PS PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I CAN) for the constitutional die. Changes shown below:

Hearts [3][2][1]
Cheat [ 3 ][1]

Health [1][1][1]

You cannot pay 1 cost from multiple dice.
Cheat is thus allowed: it adds its pips to the die, but adding up 3x hearts is not allowed (it would make everyone play with [1] dice only).

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

Action for current location, Betty's Bar:

Connected Diamonds[6]

Path-Shaper, on 02 September 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 September 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

You lose 2 Health during the night phase and your highest dodge and luck dice become used. Your first health die becomes [4 -> 2]
Then, you lose 1 Health during the Night Phase. [4 -> 1]
Thyen, you lose 4 health and your second Luck die becomes used. Your first health die is completely used up, you now have [2][1][1] health remaining.

Hey PS, is this correct? If so, then I'd love to have that extra Health die, but I don't think I do since my health[4] had been reduced to health[3] prior to the above shenanigans.

Hmm. You'd then have Health [1][1] remainng:

3 --> 1 by the first.
1 --> 0 by the next.
[2] - [4] = [0] for the next health die.

Connected: Noted. I will process it at Rien Ne Va Plus.

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Great. Thanks PS. Now I have three [1] health die because of using constitution, just FYI.

Liosan, on 03 September 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

Action for current location, Betty's Bar:

Connected Diamonds[6]

Btw, this means no Extractor Arm (since I'm using the diamonds for the Connected).

But I still would like that Advanced Algorithm

thanks!

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

Now

Hearts[ 3 ][ 2 ][1]

Path-Shaper, on 04 September 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Liosan, on 02 September 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

Great. Thanks PS. Now I have three [1] health die because of using constitution, just FYI.

okidoki.
And the below is noted.

Path-Shaper, on 04 September 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Well, I can tell you this":

you lose 1 health due to your craziness at night.
you lose 1 health for moving out of your Location.
you lose 4, and 4 health dice as a result of attacks at night.

You are a casualty. Hope you enjoyed the game!

Password to SH: war&peace

[Bek Okhan]

Bek Okhan

Role PM:

Path-Shaper, on 20 August 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

OK, you'll have to clarify some things for me.

1) If an ability costs say, Hearts [5], do I have to use a die of Hearts [5] or bigger to meet the requirement, or just any number of hearts dice to reach 5 power?
2) If I use Timetable of Titans, do I still post on thread that I used a bullet when voting or removing a vote?
3) A lot of the setup mentioned using abilities on thread. If I use an ability such as Holy Schedule do I announce that on thread?

Path-Shaper, on 21 August 2013 - 05:16 AM, said:

1) 5 or bigger
2) nope
3) nope either :-)

Path-Shaper, on 22 August 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

This is really insane, I am going to update my dice because I think I understand a bit better how it works. I basically have 3 actions. If I use 5 Card Stud, can I reset the Clubs die I used to pay for it? For the five dice I reveal, do I reveal their original amounts or their current amounts?

Bullets 3 - [2][1]
Aim 5 - [5]
Dodge 4 - [3][1]
Luck 2 - [2]
Health 10 - [6][4]

Clubs 6 - [6]
Diamonds 5 - [5]
Hearts 8 - [3][3][2]
Spades 5 - [3][2]
Cheat 2 - [2]

Sanity 7 - [6][1]
Pixie Powder 4 - [2][1][1]
Golddust 4 - [2][1][1]
Speed 5 - [2][1][1][1]
Attunement 5 - [2][1][1][1]

5 card stud: you cannot reset the Clubs die (I would allow the creation of unending combos if I did, allowing unending investment in Locations).

The five dice: you reveal the full value (please note that Clubs/Diamonds/Hearts/Spades/Cheat/Aim/Dodge/Luck/Speed/Attunement never pay pips, only full dice - so essentially, they're either 'available' or 'used', never an in-between state.

Path-Shaper, on 22 August 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

I see now how this is a "late game role." Everything focuses on the ability to use those Holy Trains to quickly align areas to my faction.

Do we start with any areas aligned to our faction?

I have a decent aim but no real way to connect with it. Making two Bullets[1] dice seems useful for voting. I feel like I can't afford to sink XP into creating a hero because I'd rather get more dice to create Holy Trains. I am going to just avoid attacking, I think. Dodge seems useful to split into two dice. Luck is terrible so I'll put it into one die. I'm beefing my health up into two big dice.

Bullets 3 - [2][1]
Aim 5 - [5]
Dodge 4 - [3][1]
Luck 2 - [2]
Health 10 - [6][4]

I need to invest quickly in all locations. Can I invest more than one kind of a type of die at the same time? Like Hearts[3][2] for 5 total?

Yup. Investing a whole bunch of dice for total value is allowed, and costs only 1 Bullet pip per Location you invest in.

Quote

Five-card stud seems insane

You're the first to understand its value.

Quote

and I have good wager dice, so I'm going to give myself max Clubs. Diamonds does me no good, so I'll set one to 5 for wagers and investment (and I can increase it to 6 later for Size Up). I don't care about Brag but I want to use Friendship a bunch. Hearts[6] is a bit overkill until we can own a faction, but I think I'm going to start there for good wagers and the ability to over-use it (I assume I can dump a Hearts[6] into a Hearts[5] requirement? Do I have Hearts[1] left over or is the whole die expended?). Spades[3][2] lets me use Rivalry and ... is Delayed as necessary. Cheat [1][1] seems okay. I don't have a lot of uses for Cheat dice at this point other than for survival purposes.

Clubs 6 - [6]
Diamonds 5 - [5]
Hearts 8 - [6][2]
Spades 5 - [3][2]
Cheat 2 - [1][1]

Not sure if there's any point to dividing Sanity. Pixie Powder doesn't seem to have any real point to divide it but I guess I will since I only need a little at a time. Same with Golddust. Speed splitting seems mostly useful for attacking and avoiding Call Outs, so I'll split mine to play defensively. Don't know if there's any point to splitting Attunement dice. 5 Attunement and 5 Speed seem pretty good, though.

Sanity 7 - [6][1]
Pixie Powder 4 - [2][1][1]
Golddust 4 - [2][1][1]
Speed 5 - [2][1][1][1]
Attunement 5 - [2][1][1][1]

Great
All I need from you now is a starting Location. No Locations are aligned with your faction at the start of the game.

Path-Shaper, on 22 August 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

I'm starting in the Mormon House as my "Orders" post mentioned.

I also need to amend my starting Hearts to [4][2][2] (I said 3-2-2 which adds up to 7, not 8). I'm fine wasting one heart for today.
I've thought a lot about this game over the last day and tried to recognize the intersection between role abilities, role items, location abilities, wagers, and cantrips.

Starting with a Clubs[6] is really powerful for me because I have so many high-cost abilities and the resets are going to be great. That train ability is so key to this role and it costs Hearts[6]. However, I also need to consider getting an Insurance of the Faith as soon as possible because those trains are probably going to get killed off and I need a way to reset Pixie Powder or I'm going to run out quickly (maybe I should have made that a [4] but oh well). I also need to invest heavily in locations.

I have a question about a potential "infinite loop" in the game that I may have discovered.

Right now I have the following:

Bullets[2][1][1][1]
Hearts[4][2][2]
Clubs[6]

Let's say I took the following action chain:

Friendship <Player A> - Bullets[1][1][1][1], Hearts[4][0][2]
Friendship <Player B> - Bullets[0][1][1][1], Hearts[4][0][0]
5 Card Stud - Bullets[0][0][1][1], Clubs[0] - reveal Bullets [0][0], Hearts[0][0], Clubs[0] -> reset back to starting position

If I understand the sequence correctly, that gives me the ability to use Friendship on everyone tomorrow, and thus, learn everyone that is in my faction.

The infinite loop does not work, because the die required for it (Clubs [6]) cannot be reset through 5-card stud. Basically, at the time before you pay Clubs [6], you announce which dice to reset, then pay Clubs [6], then reset and reveal dice.

To do it any other way, would not just validate that combo, but also allow infinite investment in Locations.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

OK, good. As fun as that would be, I would hate for the game to be broken so easily =p

Since Pinkerton Agent is not in this game, I feel pretty good about the likelihood that Fanderay is actually in my faction. Tomorrow I'll give him the full reveal and we can go from there.

I have a bit of luck in that I found two useful people on Day 1. Fanderay is on my faction, so only 2 more (I think?) of those to go.

Conversely, Demelain is either an Ace or the South (my guess is Ace), but it doesn't matter which because my faction wants to eliminate both of them. Thus, I have a pretty safe person to lynch off if I get made into a judge, later. Unfortunately, I already have Liosan put down for today so that's a gamble.

Liosan is an interesting bird because he wants to pick a fight with me. I could try to neuter him by befriending him tomorrow.

Path-Shaper, on 22 August 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

Essentially, with 5 factions, I guess you want everyone dead but your own faction. The guys you don't need to kill, have a mission to kill you, after all
It is just that you want to kill the dudes you need to kill, faster

[Bek Okhan]

Action thread:

Path-Shaper, on 23 August 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Day 1:

Quote

Bek Okhan uses Cantrip Friendship on Fanderay
Bek Okhan uses Cantrip Friendship on Demelain
Bek Okhan buys Item Uniform of the Faithful spends Pixie Powder[1], GoldDust[1]
Bek Okhan buys Item Telegraph Station (Clubs at [0] from [6] base)
Bek Okhan buys Item Cult Chapel for Hearts[3]

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Looks right. When do I use my Speed and Attunement to reset dice?

Path-Shaper, on 23 August 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Looks right. When do I use my Speed and Attunement to reset dice?

Start of the new day.

Bek / Grasp already posted


Bek / Jalan friendship:

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Hello, friend!

Anything you'd like to talk about? What's the deal with Liosan?

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Dick head made me use up all my bullets and then made it so I can't reset them. Before it was just cause of his "I don't want to be mayor" thing really rang wrong to me, and seemed like a way to try to attract the votes his way so that he could get the free XP, now it's cause he completely fucked me both yesterday and today.

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

I'm serious when I say on thread that he's almost definitely the Card Shark. If he isn't, whoever IS the Card Shark is doing a very good job at framing him.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

What a jerk!

Can you use 5-Card Stud to reset them or do you not have the Clubs?

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

I have 0 bullets. As in nada. As in I can't do ANYTHING except move.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Do you ever get to reset them?

[Bek Okhan]

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

Tomorrow. But it means I can't do anything today. I can't vote, I can't perform any actions, I can't attack,I can't do Cantrips. I just sit here and try to get elected Mayor so that I can get rid of Liosan.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

I'd be OK supporting you for Mayor. I don't care much for Liosan and Fanderay doesn't seem keen on lynching me, which is all I care about

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Anything you'd care to reveal about yourself? I can go first. I can do stuff in the day without using Bullets, which is good because I don't have that many

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Nah, I've got nothing much to say, but I do know that Meanas is a member of the Aces faction.

Guessing that means you aren't a member of the Aces since you wouldn't out your own man, I'd assume... I'm not an Ace either, for what it's worth.

Good deduction skills Watson!

I'd rather not get into disucssions that are gonna out either of us. The fact that neither of us is Aces should be far enough along that road.

I suppose as a tit for tat, I could say that I have a lot of Heart.

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

Lots of roles have "a lot" of Heart, so I am not too surprised you revealed that. Why did you decide to get into the shootout with Liosan?

As part of a show of good faith, I'll reveal that my Aim is really bad, which is why I don't do any fighting since my Bullets are not great, either.

I didn't want to have to lose a speed die for not going. I'm not very quick, so it would have hurt me a lot. Of course, going ended up hurting me more, but you know how it goes...

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

That makes a lot of sense and I don't blame you.

What else would you like to discuss? I don't have any reason to feel like I should distrust you if you say you'll make Fanderay Judge, and right now your plan either seems the most reasonable to me, or just the one that is least likely to get me lynched in some kind of back stab or sneaky move. I don't believe Fanderay would lynch me because he seems really mad at Lock and Cast (and I'm pretty annoyed at them, too, after yesterday's shenanigans.) I've considered friending Lock today to see if I can find out why he swapped his Judge to Cast so quickly.

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

I've no interest in lynching you. I think I've figured out what faction you're most likely a part of, if you aren't lying about your bullets and aim dice, and you're not really a threat to me if I'm right, so you can rest assured you're not on my list of people that need to be lynched right now.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

"Right now" being the operative word, I bet?

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Well, you're not part of my VCs if you're who I think you are, so there's no point in my going after you and helping some other team. But I'm fairly certain you're not a member of my faction either, so if it comes down to it, I'd rather sacrifice you than someone on my team. Needless to say, I've no interest in making more enemies at the moment.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Hey, I'm all about making friends at this point

And right now I'm fine working together.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Are you chatting with anybody else today?

[Bek Okhan]

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Hey, I'm all about making friends at this point

And right now I'm fine working together.

Hopefully that means I can count on your vote. It's looking like the thread's gonna go my way, but who knows, lots can change between now and end of Day.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

I feel pretty good about voting for you and again, I believe you when you say you are making Fanderay Judge. I've decided to spend more hearts to talk to Hentos Ilm since he wants to vote for you today and I feel like he's been bullied a lot this game.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

For what it's worth, Hentos, who I also am chatting with today, really wants to become Mayor. He is going to elect Demelain Judge, I believe, and Demelain is going to have Grasp, Merrid, and Cast lynched.

I like sharing

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

For what it's worth, Hentos, who I also am chatting with today, really wants to become Mayor. He is going to elect Demelain Judge, I believe, and Demelain is going to have Grasp, Merrid, and Cast lynched.

I like sharing

Jalan, on 28 August 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

Well that's shit though. He's gonna end up fucking the thread again.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Oh, I know. I'm quite aware that having yet another Mayoral candidate is going to force another stalemate.

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I feel pretty set on getting you elected Mayor today and will vote for you. After chatting with him, I think Merrid may be on my team and don't want to see him lynched by voting with Hentos.

Barghast is a fun guy to talk to, as well, but I have no faith in his randomized Judge choice.

[Bek Okhan]

Bek / Demelain:

Bek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Hello new friend

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

Hi to you too friend.
I am back.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Of course you got back when I was in bed =p

So it looks like we don't have a lot of time together during the day. But I blew some hearts on you. I can share that Hearts are one of my stronger suits. I also like long walks on the beaches.

Anything you'd like to share?

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

I'm willing to share a lot of things, I'm gonna start with " I have lots of Golddust"

Fanderay and Merrid trust each other too much for my liking, Lover convo?

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Also, I'm pretty sure Meanas is Ment but that is not much.

So, what gossip can you share with me about our dear very very enthusiastic would-be judge ?

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

Let me finish catching upon the thread and I'll let you know my thoughts.

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

May I ask who is your lynchee?

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

I'll tell you after you tell me =)


Fanderay wants to know what you think about an alliance of sorts, through these communications. It's extremely unlikely we're all in the same faction and at least moderately likely that some of us are in contradictory factions and thus have to kill each other, but for now, we could build a small group with which we can use for mayoral and judge nominations.

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Grasp. I'm not getting to become Judge though ...

Tell Fanderay I'm listening.
Any comments on the Merrid problem of mine?

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

Liosan is my choice, mostly as a OMGUS response =(

What is your Merrid problem? I don't believe he and Fanderay are in a conversation together because

1) They didn't Friendship on thread
2) If they were lovers at game start, it wouldn't make sense to be super-friendly on-thread

It's possible a secret ability was used to give lover connections, but it still seems unlikely with #2.

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

It is just suspicious, the amount of trust they have in each other.
I like your lynch choice.

"Alliance of sorts" would be just between us three right? With you making a new lover convo each day. (I honestly don't have enough hearts to think about cantrips )

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

Also, what would the immediate advantage be for me?

[Bek Okhan]

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

I don't blame you for suspicion. I don't think any of us can do much about suspicion in a TMDI 99999 Faction-based Mafia game.

The three of us would be a core for the alliance, but that isn't anything near a voting bloc. I would want to make contact with someone else tomorrow, possibly two people, as persons 4 and 5. They would be outside of the inner circle, but still very useful for info and voting purposes. Do you have any suggestions? I could initiate with Liosan to try and defuse him.

Immediate advantage? You have two people who don't have any interest in lynching you, and two people who could help prop you up for mayor or judge which is free XP. That seems kinda good.

Demelain, on 22 August 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

I like the idea of people choosing me as Mayor/Judge. The part I don't like/The reason I asked about immediate advantage was that I could give you my support and there is a chance that you would leave me hanging dry...

I would like Jalan, he sounds reasonable

Who is your Judge?

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

No surprise, but I picked Fanderay. I picked him yesterday when he was talking to me and you weren't. But I'd have picked either of you at this point.

As far as leaving you to dry, I've invested a lot of hearts into today just to talk with you two. Not sure how useful it would be to spend hearts on relationships I plan on trashing, y'know?

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

I like Jalan, too. He seems like a logical player. Definitely keep him in mind.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

OK, you like Jalan. Fanderay likes Barghast. I like Meanas. I say we consider those three for tomorrow and then pick 1-2 of them, depending on how many hearts I think I can spend.

How does that sound?

Demelain, on 23 August 2013 - 07:33 AM, said:

Barghast is as good as Jalan in my mind.

Do you have any abilities that divulge people's locations to you? This tile system is a hindrance to all useful abilities. (Hexes, Wager, attack, and even summons)
I wouldn't believe it if someone said Tapper didn't make of a way to circumvent the problem.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

I don't. I have a couple of abilities that interact with locations, but nothing that tells me anything about where people are. How about you?

Demelain, on 23 August 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

No, that's why I asked.
Who are we gonna support as Mayor tomorrow?

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

Not sure, but we actually have some time to think about it. I'd think one of us is a good option, but Meanas may also be a good choice because he got some good traction yesterday by people not in our little group.

One of the items I purchased today allows me to keep my conversations open permanently. So this won't automatically shut down at the end of the day.

Demelain, on 23 August 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Coolio.
I'm gonna say, I really want to become Mayor tomorrow. I don't care for becoming judge too much though.

Demelain, on 23 August 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

So let's say, make me mayor and I will make the one you want judge.

Demelain, on 26 August 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

What do you thing about Mormon's house?
I'm afraid people in that location will form a voting block...

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 01:32 AM, said:

Well, I'd say don't make that jerk Grasp the judge! I got a little scared and friended him, we'll see if that calms him down any. I don't consider him to be a part of this little group. I am trying to figure out who else to reach out to. I was thinking Meanas but Merrid touched him too and that could be a little strange having two people pick the same person in one day.

Mormon's house voting block? Considering the location's special ability, I think it's likely a beacon. Someone took immediate control over the location and wants to get his faction there to use the free off-thread chat to form a plan. I'd expect the La Rua to be heading there asap.

[Bek Okhan]

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 07:39 AM, said:

I don't think I can convince Grasp to not lynch you, but I can withhold a vote for Lock to get Mayor since I can't vote anyway in the Mormon House. Going to try to find more ways to steer it.

Demelain, on 27 August 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

I would love to steer it my way. I will be present for a few hours and will try to lobby on thread. Any help from you or Fanderay would be alright.
Lock has already admitted that I'm one of his Judge choices, If I get elected you and Fanderay are safe as you can be and I will owe you one...
To be repaid in later days.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 10:43 PM, said:

Sorry about today, I was gone the entirety of the day. Did you somehow stop the election of the Mayor today?

I think tomorrow we need to get a really good plan going. I'm not keeping in contact with Grasp anymore. Instead, I plan to befriend two people ASAP and see if they are on board with getting one of us elected Mayor. We can control the Judgeship, too.

I don't know if we want to reach out to say Cast/Lock because they were gung-ho about lynching you two guys, or if we should reach out to Liosan/Hentos since they are being mentioned as fellow lynch targets. I'm still debating but I think we should go in one direction or another and not both.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Hey, Fanderay is willing to support you for Mayor. You need to get on and declare yourself a candidate for Mayor and indicate that you'll give Fanderay the Judgeship. I'm fine with both of those.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Cool. I will do so as soon as I catch up.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Currently, there's a push to get Jalan elected Mayor although he has no votes. I'm currently friended with Jalan and he has revealed that Liosan drained all of his bullets and he can't reset them today so he's stuck unable to vote. I think Fanderay wants to elect Jalan since Jalan can't vote. Jalan would promote Fanderay to Judge and Fanderay would lynch Liosan, Cast, and someone else (not you or me). Would you be OK with that?

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

I'm on page 21. let me get to the finish.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

After reading up, I want none of Fanderay's lynchees dead. I don't think you can count on my vote.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Oh, OK. Any particular reason? Who do you want to see lynched instead? My vote is still very flexible and I'm not that interested in becoming Mayor or Judge right now.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

Barghast/Grasp/Merrid would be my ideal candidates. Of course I can get behind lynching of 3 low-posters as well. Hanas is just infuriating.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 05:19 PM, said:

So, what's your take on the thread so far ? (trying to generate discussion)

[Bek Okhan]

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

It's a tricky one. There appear to be two factions of people forming. There's a group that more or less sides with Jalan/Fanderay and a side that more or less sides with Barghast/Cast. When Lock gets back, I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to form another side with himself

How about you?

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 05:54 PM, said:

I don't like Barghast or his random fucking idea. I don't like Fanderay's choices.
I await Lock right now. or anyone else.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Would you support Hentos as Mayor and me as Judge?

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 07:48 PM, said:

Barghast/Grasp/Merrid as your lynch candidates? I assume you're talking this over with Hentos?

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Grasp/Merrid/Cast

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Yes, He wants to become Mayor and make me Judge.

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

Why Merrid? I am going to strike up a conversation with Merrid and see if I get a good feel for him. I do support Grasp and Cast, I believe.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Merrid is still a suspicion of mine (since Day1) and Hentos agrees with him. I wouldn't miss Cast and I'd like to get rid of Grasp.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Also, with lynching Cast I can get a somewhat agreeable reaction out of Fanderay.
Would you talk to him about this?

Bek Okhan, on 28 August 2013 - 08:12 PM, said:

Fanderay is definitely on board with lynching Cast. I don't think he cares for Grasp either. I believe he is thinking of shooting Grasp.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

If you can change his mind it would be awesome.
I'm trying to convince Hentos to start a train on his sorry ass for Mayor and me as Judge.
Also, I think I can convince Hanas to vote to save his self.

Demelain, on 28 August 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

I'm gonna add: Don't vote him until he announces me as judge (if you are even going to vote him)
No reason to help him become mayor if he ain't going to make me judge.

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 04:12 PM, said:

Huge mess today, Demmy. Huge, huge, mess.

What's your draw with Hentos? Why did you decide to suddenly make a big alliance with him?

[Bek Okhan]

Demelain, on 29 August 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

It is not a big alliance. He made the friendship, we came to an agreement about lynch targets. I didn't have the resources/balls for a confidence vote so he did it.

Why a huge mess?

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Because it's basically a 3 way tie.

Demelain, on 29 August 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

If you think of it that way...
I like to think of it as " We still have 18 hours to choose."
Where does your vote lie?

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Merrid wanted to give me information in exchange for not voting for Hentos since Hentos's judge (you) wants to lynch him. Hentos wants to give me information about two people's factions in exchange to get a vote for him. I have no plans to vote for Barghast at this time. He's fun to talk to but kind of crazy.

At this point it's either vote for Hentos to get his information or vote for Jalan to get Merrid's information. Both are pretty tempting.

Demelain, on 29 August 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Vote for Hentos, lynch Merrid. get everyone's information...

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 04:31 PM, said:

Except Merrid's. He isn't giving me the information until tomorrow (via Telegram).

Demelain, on 29 August 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

If Merrid is lynched, you will get a CF.

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I already know Merrid's faction It's the information he's giving me that I'm interested in.

Demelain, on 29 August 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Why are you dangling that piece of into in front of me nose?

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

I'm just telling you that "lynching" Merrid isn't exactly more information for me like you advertised.

[Bek Okhan]

"Important!" PM:

Path-Shaper, on 29 August 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 29 August 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Are Merrid or Barghast in my faction per Cult Chapel?

I've used Friendship on both.

neither is in your faction.

Bek / Fanderay PM (holy shit how much did you guys chat)

Bek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Hello new friend

You were so nice to ask me, I figured I should invite you to be my friend, too

Fanderay, on 21 August 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Hey Bek How are you? I need to look into how much it cost to form a friendship. It might be nice if all three of us can have a round robin discussion. I think it will be incredibly difficult for someone to get elected mayor If we could coordinate maybe we can form some sort of alliance to gain votes and elect one of us mayor.

I don't know. Something to throw out there.

Is there anything you would be willing to share with me about yourself?

Bek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

Hey hey! So it costs Hearts[2] to form a relationship and relationships last until the end of the day, but I have a secret... my relationships last permanently! (unless, presumably, someone shuts them down with the Spades[2] ability, Rivalry).

I can share a little about myself right now, and a little more at the end of the day.

I'm a very low-attack kind of character. I have to ration my very limited supply of bullets very carefully every day. I have good magic and decent mental abilities. I purchased an item to give myself permanent off-thread communications. I'm on-board with getting a bunch of people in an alliance, of sorts, to form a good pool for mayor voting. Unfortunately, I'm currently out of bullets so I can't vote for a Mayor.

OK, your turn

Fanderay, on 21 August 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

That is way more infomation than I expected to receive from you. Of course you could be lying but I don't think so.

Hmmm what information am I willing to share...

The problem is we are highly likely to not be in the same faction so one of us probably wants the other dead at some point in the game. Now I'm willing to do the whole alliance thing until endgame but I'd rather we share information regarding other players outside the alliance as we learn them. It's the whole better them than me mentality if you know what I mean.

That being said I seriously doubt anyone will get elected as Mayor today. Maybe I and Demelain can vote you as mayor and you can chose one of us to be Judge to solidify an understanding. I'd even be willing to let Demelain be the first judge if he is having doubts about an alliance. I think we need to cap our alliance to either us three or one more. We probably can get one or two more random votes out there outside our alliance to get you elected even without pulling them in officially.

That being said I'm willing to share with you...

Wait a sec, I just remembered that Reveals aren't allowed. Does that also mean we can't "reveal" info in off thread comms too?

I guess we should get clarification before I go any further. I don't want to inadvertantly break any rules.

Bek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

Good call on checking, but most games allow people to reveal things in private threads. I don't think it will end up being an issue, but hold off until you know for sure.

I'm also aware that we are likely to be in different factions, which is why I made the decision to use my bullets up to forge two communications instead of just one today (plus you asked so nicely ). I'm more likely to find my allies by sniffing around in as many places as possible.

I would gladly accept the Mayorship and the free XP and then repay you guys by nominating one of you as judge, but I don't know if the Mayor can pick a judge without any bullets to do so (does picking a judge count as a "Vote" by the Mayor?).

Fanderay, on 21 August 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

I don't think picking a Judge uses bullets. I'll go ahead and selcet you as my Judge in case by some miracle I get selected as Mayor.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 12:24 AM, said:

Then I'll gladly repay the favor if someone deems me Mayorworthy =o

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

Anything you want to share about Merrid since he has voted you for Mayor? =D

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 04:19 AM, said:

Have you talked to Demalain about our plan? What does he have to say about it?

What do you think I should do in regards to Merrid throwing a vote my way? Should I switch to him as well as it would be pretty obvious if I didn't hold up my end of the deal I made on thread. I don't think that would reflect well on me when that gets out.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

I switched my Judge orders to Merrid. If I do get elected as mayor I do not want to be lynched because I lied about what I would do. Hope you understand. Maybe Day 2 we could see about working the votes to get you elected.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

That's fine. I understand. If I'm Judge, I'll just Lynch Liosan anyway for wanting to lynch me ^.^

Demelain hasn't been on since I befriended him so I haven't had a chance to speak to him.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

Yeah I'm liking the Liosan lynch option more and more. If he turns out to be on my team then it will suck but as of now I don't think he is and he is being very dificult to the cause. I hate that (forgot who mentioned it) us cutting a deal was mentioned as a possibility on thread (which of course, at least with you and me, is true) but why wouldn't we want to do that. Having the numbers is power.

I'm off to bed. Tapper hasn't responded to my reveal question yet. I'll keep you posted.

I'm twelve by the way.

Chau

[Bek Okhan]

Path-Shaper, on 22 August 2013 - 07:55 AM, said:

You can reveal whatever you like in off-thread comms, both about yourself and others.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Okay then. I'll reveal the one thing I feel comfortable sharing.

I have access to an item that if I lose a wager I lose the item instead of suffering the effects of losing a wager.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

What the fuck? Does Demelain not want to form an alliance? Not much of a team player is he until he has a chance to learn who his team is.

I think I may have stumbled upon how to get someone elected. The vote for so and so and you won't be lynched strategy might work.

Lets see.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

I'm catching up from overnight... Demelain is pretty suspicious of you and Meanas and thinks you guys are in a conversation together. Give me a few.

edit: Merrid, not Meanas

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

You are the only person I'm talking to off-thread. As for the whole Merrid thing I just took up something he said on thread and ran with it. Tell Demelain that I'm serious about us three joining an alliance to get us farther in the game at least for a few days until there is more information to go on to determine which faction we are each in. I've probably already fucked myself with all the attention I'm garnering on myself but so be it.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

I want to fucking take out Demelain. He is such an idiot. I'd be willing to risk him being on my team just to get rid of him from the thread. Forget working with him. Maybe tomorrow reach out to Merrid and bring him into our little group.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 04:57 PM, said:

OK, I haven't actually approached him with the plan and to be honest, he has been VERY skittish offering info. I have Liosan submitted as my lynch if I'm Judge, which I won't be, but that's just because he's gunning for me.

I have you as my Judge if I'm mayor, which I won't be.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Demelain told me he has a lot of gold dust. If he's telling the truth, that puts him as a

Card Shark (Aces)
Southern Scion (South)

There are 5 factions in the game and I'll go ahead and admit I'm neither one of those two. You?

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Well at least you are giving me information that doesn't counterdict something you have already told me. Frankly I don't want to know too much about you as it's easier to build trust if there is still the possibility we are on the same team or at least not know which one of us is gunning for the other.

If you looked at the VC then you will notice that if a faction is gunning for a specific faction as their VC the gunned for faction isn't gunning for them right back unlike the last TOD faction game. So if we learn enough about each other to figure out that either you need me dead or I need you dead then forming an alliance is a bit pointless.

Can you at least approach Demelain with my proposal about an alliance to see what he has to say?

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 06:18 PM, said:

Demelain doesn't have many hearts, so I'm thinking Card Shark is more likely.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 06:42 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 06:15 PM, said:

It sounds like Demelain's open to the idea. With orders already in, we'll have to enact it tomorrow.

Who do you think is a good person to bring into the fold tomorrow? Meanas? He seems affable to me.

See who Demelain suggests. I like Merrid only because of the deal I made on thread with him but I don't think Demelain will go for it. I'd have to take a look at Meanas again before I decide. Barghast seemed pretty savy on thread so I wouldn't mind reaching out to him. Denul seems a tool and there are a few others that seem too combatitive on thread to be a very good choices. I prefer someone that will be able to participate in conversations if at all possible if you know what I mean.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 08:09 PM, said:

Sometimes reaching out to combative players can be useful ways to calm them down.

Demelain likes Jalan.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

There are worse choices. What are your thoughts on this pick?

[Bek Okhan]

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

I might be able to get behind adding Jalan to the group.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

I'm fine with Barghast, Jalan, and Meanas. That means all three of us have picked someone we like. Tomorrow, we can narrow that down to 1-2 people, depending on how I think I should allocate my hearts.

Fanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 09:05 PM, said:

How many people should we add to the group? Too many people and it becomes unmanageable especially if we all have to go through you.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

Well, I haven't told Demelain yet that I keep all communications permanently. I'll tell him at some point, but I am a little less trusting over him overall than I am of you.

I'd say 5 is the right number. You can make a lot of noise and direct a lot of traffic with five people. I may or may not (initially) reveal that I keep communications with the latter two. It kind of depends on how I feel about them.

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Also, the odds that we're going to keep the same people will probably change. Assuming I'm the only one spending the hearts to form the connections, I may not be getting lynched, but certainly factions will break within the group and some people will probably need to be... handled.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Demelain wants to be Mayor tomorrow and says he'll make whoever we want as judge. Judge will get 2 lynches tomorrow so if that's the route we go, that's a lot of power.

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I have no problem with voting for him but I don't think I should be the first person to place a vote on him as it will most likely stall the election. I was thinking of who we should also bring into the group and Meanas got a lot of support on thread so he may be a good choice.

Do you want to be the judge? Who would you like to lynch? Outside Liosan I don't have a good read on anyone. There was all this talk about who should be mayor and not enough of who to lynch and why we should lynch them.

I'll have to analysis people's bullet die on thread to see if I can't narrow down possible roles from them. Don't have a lot of time however.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 05:31 PM, said:

As to who I would lynch, I don't know just yet. I want to carefully consider that tomorrow. I won't just auto-jump back to Liosan. There are several people who have mentioned wanting to lynch me as of late... Barghast, Denul, and Liosan all were in semi-favor of it simply because I threw my actions out there on-thread. To be honest, I'd be a lot more worried about people who have lots of hidden actions.

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 06:07 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

The weekend freeze will give us a lot of time to consider potential mayors or judges. I do like the thought of being a judge; I have so many things I want to do every day, it can be hard to have enough bullets left over to shoot the alts (which seems to be the primary XP mechanism other than getting elected).

Meanas seems like a very good pick to bring into the fold, especially if he is getting mayoral support. I like Jalan a lot, too.

The problem is I'm out all weekend. I'm going rafting tomorrow and then spending Sunday over at the folks. Next week is going to be hell at work so I'm going to drop off quite a bit on thread.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Let's talk about it once Tapper resolves the day actions.

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

Sounds good, well if he does it sometime this century. I have a feeling he's out having a grand ole time as it's Friday night and all for him.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

OK, I'm going to gamble and reveal because a careful perusal of the setup leads me to believe that the only role that can mess with finds without buying items or using abilities is the Pinkerton Agent, and that role is not in the game.

I'm the Service Conductor and we're on the same faction (Corporate Cult).



Yesterday, I bought the Uniform of the Faithful to get some more bullets, bought the Cult Chapel to discover if people I chatted with were in my faction, bought Telegraph Station to make my conversations permanent, used Friendship Twice on you and Demelain.

I was told you were in my faction but Demelain was not.

[Bek Okhan]

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

My ability to create Friendship connections is really strong because my Hearts are so high. I have Hearts [4][2][2]. This lets me create two connections pretty easily every day. I could probably be shut down by a Rivalry cantrip, but someone would have to spend the spades and bullets to do so. And I should still learn if people are in the Corporate Cult just from using the ability at this point.

I have absolutely no reads on who else is in the Cult. I would be just blind guessing. We have basically 2 people left in 16 (hoping Emurlahn wasn't in our faction), so the odds aren't great that I'll find one today, but you never know.

I was thinking of using Friendship twice and then 5-Card Stud to reset my hearts and then invest into a location. I'm in the Mormon House right now. I need to get some locations online so I can use my trains and knack, which are built around location control.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

Also, Demelain is probably an Ace or South based on what I said before. It so happens that those are two factions we have to eliminate to win the game (or control locations).

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Holy Shit!!!!

What a stroke of luck.

Tomorrow create a friendship with Grasp. I think he may be the Locomindhive. While I should have been working I was looking at players bullet situations and he has the right bullet die to be in our faction as well.

I'm the Aquisition agent and I'm currently on the Dead Man's Deed.

I have been thinking of using the 5 card stud (as I also have a 6 die club) but from the list of roles that have enough clubs 3 of them are from our faction so I'm waiting to use that ability until later in the game.

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

Here is my role info. I probably should not be sharing but what the hell. I feel lucky to not get hurt or lose sanity this round



I've purchased the scoped pistol, risk Analysis, Hexed Hand and Mechanical Monocle on Day one.

I plan on getting the folding scope, Insurance, corporate shares and sharp coat on Day 2. With the boosts these items give me I can attack anyone in the game if I'm on Mud Street.

I attacked Liosan last night and he wasn't on Mud street.

Also with your second friendship reach out to either Liosan or Merrid. I feel they are fair game for us with their 5 bullet die but I want to make sure that neither are the Iron Worker.

I'll go and attack Demelain tonight. I'll only have one attack but with the scoped pistol I get a +2 boost to my bullets so hopefully I'll land a hit and maybe do some damage.

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

Where do you recommend I purchase insurance at? I don't plan on doing a lot of investing this game as I'm an offensive character but I would like to get your opinion on this?

I guess I could wait until Tapper updates the investment of each location and pick based on the layout.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Holy Shit!!!!

What a stroke of luck.

Tomorrow create a friendship with Grasp. I think he may be the Locomindhive. While I should have been working I was looking at players bullet situations and he has the right bullet die to be in our faction as well.

I'm the Aquisition agent and I'm currently on the Dead Man's Deed.

I have been thinking of using the 5 card stud (as I also have a 6 die club) but from the list of roles that have enough clubs 3 of them are from our faction so I'm waiting to use that ability until later in the game.

See making friends is a good thing?

Glad I decided to make the second connection. Once I had a handle on the game, I knew my early game strategy was to find faction members and my late game strategy was to CHOO CHOO OF DOOM our faction to victory.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 11:05 PM, said:

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

Where do you recommend I purchase insurance at? I don't plan on doing a lot of investing this game as I'm an offensive character but I would like to get your opinion on this?

I guess I could wait until Tapper updates the investment of each location and pick based on the layout.

Good question. You have the bullets to invest, but really can only contribute Spades, based on what I'm seeing from your role. I know you'll be out this weekend and I'll be busy, but with the freeze + 48 hours, we can probably figure out a good way to spend our dice in an effective manner to cover a lot of ground. I'd really like to just take over the Mormon House today, but my bullet reserves are very limited.

Here are my "base" dice.
Bullets 5 - [2][1][1][1] (gained [1][1] permanently through my item)
Aim 5 - [5]
Dodge 4 - [3][1]
Luck 2 - [2]
Health 10 - [6][4]

Clubs 6 - [6]
Diamonds 5 - [5]
Hearts 8 - [4][2][2]
Spades 5 - [3][2]
Cheat 2 - [2]

Sanity 7 - [6][1]
Pixie Powder 4 - [2][1][1]
Golddust 4 - [2][1][1]
Speed 5 - [2][1][1][1]
Attunement 5 - [2][1][1][1]

As you can see, I can actually invest and completely take over a location immediately since I have 5+ in all suits. However, that would mean I can't really do much else... one Friendship, I think.

Glad you're looking at players' dice, I haven't done that at all.

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

That is a great strategy. I was a bit worried I drew too much attention onto myself yesterday. But now that I know a team member with find cababilites then you can let me know who to target at night to start taking out the competition. Too bad you couldn't get a location find as well. My boost work best if I'm on the same spot as my target.

We can even still elect Demelain as mayor and then lynch whoever we want.

Can you lynch the mayor that elected you?

Fanderay, on 23 August 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

I've got to run talk later.

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 11:12 PM, said:

Have a good weekend. The rules don't say you can't lynch the Mayor, but we have to be very careful about that. If we get Demelain elected, have him nominate one of us as judge, and then lynch him, if he has a lynch dodging ability or something like that (remember, you gain XP by being lynched, so there are probably players who are hard to lynch), that could blow our secrets wide open. I'd rather just know Demelain is someone we have to watch for now and use him for as long as we can.

I'll think of something to say to Dem to not make him too suspicious of my decision to try and friend Grasp.

Fanderay, on 24 August 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

Frankly I think you get xp from getting lynched so it goes towards your team's hero. So if you are the last one left after your next to last teammate is lynched you get supersized.

Bek Okhan, on 24 August 2013 - 03:32 AM, said:

Oh good point.

[Bek Okhan]

Fanderay, on 26 August 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

As PS stated you can use cantrips. I'd reach out to Grasp for sure and maybe Liosan or Merrid for the other so we can learn our team early!!!!

That would be hilarious that Demelain would elect one of us Judges and have us lynch his ass but that would set a horrible precedent. I would like to avoid doing that as it will look super shady on us if we did just such a tactic.

We should also start thinking of a way to communicate to each other as to who is on our team if we should ever lose our offthread comms. I don't think it will be a good idea to reform our link should it be severed. At least not right away.

Also we might want to be careful going forward about what we put in these off thread comms in case someone can snoop.

Fanderay, on 26 August 2013 - 01:06 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

Demelain told me he has a lot of gold dust. If he's telling the truth, that puts him as a

Card Shark (Aces)
Southern Scion (South)

There are 5 factions in the game and I'll go ahead and admit I'm neither one of those two. You?

Well that is a dangerous assumption. I thought for sure you were either LaRue or University based on your hearts situation. That was the main reason I didn't want to give you any info.

Fanderay, on 26 August 2013 - 01:18 AM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 23 August 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

OK, I'm going to gamble and reveal because a careful perusal of the setup leads me to believe that the only role that can mess with finds without buying items or using abilities is the Pinkerton Agent, and that role is not in the game.

I'm the Service Conductor and we're on the same faction (Corporate Cult).



Yesterday, I bought the Uniform of the Faithful to get some more bullets, bought the Cult Chapel to discover if people I chatted with were in my faction, bought Telegraph Station to make my conversations permanent, used Friendship Twice on you and Demelain.

I was told you were in my faction but Demelain was not.

I would seriously consider purchasing the Telegraph Station Day 2. That way you can't lose connections that you don't want to lose. ANd it sounds like you can cut off connections whenever you want. That way going forward the connections that you make with other players that are not on your team you can pretend that your friendships are ordinary friendships so if we aren't aligned with them you can cut them off after your find.

I'd still be careful about revealing from the results of your finds. There might be items some players have in this game that might mess with them. Actually I would just assume that there is just such items and proceed that way going forward.

Fanderay, on 26 August 2013 - 05:00 AM, said:

Okay that took a while to find. So if you are in the Mormon's house and I'm in Dead Dane's Deed and there was an investment in Judge Wallace's Office and Mud Street from our faction then we might have a full compliment of players unless one of the players can invest in two locations at once. I also see where you purchased the Telegraph station as well so you shouldn't have to worry too much about losing your lover connections unless you choose to lose them. If you haven't told Demelain that your lover conncetions are permanent then maybe we can just drop the whole alliance thing and have you reach out to two new players on the guise of info gathering. But if you have talked to him on Day 2 then that ruse is out the window. I'm a bit hesitant to make many plans until you reach out to the two new players today and we get more information.

Well it's late and tomorrow will be a busy day. I'm depending on you to be my eyes and ears. I'm going to throw out a statement on thread that I'll put my vote for mayor towards whoever is willing to select their Judge by popular vote.

Fanderay, on 26 August 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

Bek

Get your but online and reach out to Grasp. He is looking to call us out and I need to know if my assumption about him is correct or not.

Fanderay, on 26 August 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

Especially now that Grasp has named you as his lynch candidate.

I guess if worse comes to worse I can use intimidate to stop you from getting lynched but I'd rather take a pot shot at Demelain tonight.

Fanderay, on 26 August 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

So Liosan is verified to not be one of us. My money is that he is the South's Texas Ranger and we need him dead for our VC but he could also be the University The Student of Tech, or 2 LaRue members, Scion of LaRue or LaRue Hexslinger. I'm the only other player with enough Spades to initiate a shootout. So just based on probability he has a 50% shot at being LaRue. If he really is on Dead Dane's Deed then I might switch to Liosan to attack tonight as I can't use my final offer ability as I used my diamond to get the folding stock.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 01:00 AM, said:

Sorry was crazy busy at work today... Catching up now.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 01:30 AM, said:

Demelain knows the plan, but I haven't revealed a lot to him. Just that I keep lover convos.

Shoot Liosan tonight, that seems very prudent. We know he's an enemy and we know where he'll be. I've got 4 bullets left unless I 5 Card Stud, so I need to think about my actions very carefully. I want to see what Grasp's faction is before I determine if I want to use Hearts again. Cantripping just once on Grasp probably looks a little desperate, certainly not worthy of shutting down. If I do it again, someone may get suspicious and I want to avoid it if I can help it.

I'm going to go my actions and see what I think would be a good choice. I think I'm moving to Mud Street next because the Mormon's house is gone unless I overspend to take it over (not sure if I can)

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

Dem really wants to be Mayor and says he'll give anybody we want Judge. If we trust him, we can go for that idea. If we don't trust him, he may elect Grasp and just get me killed.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

My abilities don't do a whole lot right now. I bought two more items to let me reset my cheat dice and to let me avoid paying bullets for day costs (including voting). That is going to be insane tomorrow. If I understand it correctly, I could just Friendship the whole game and find our faction, but I suspect I'd be lynched off right afterwards.

I'm low on Bullets right now [2][0][0][0] and I can't vote in the Mormon's House. There's no point in investing here right now with the La Rua taking control (and no doubt the guy who did it is trying to get his faction there to get free off-thread comms).

Options I have include paying Hearts[4] to join the Mormon house conversation so I can OUT the La Rua member(s) to the thread (by seeing who else is posting in that thread). That puts a target on my head but it's an idea.

I can also Wager at the Mormon's house for a Bullet. I could then wager Clubs[6], Diamonds[5], Hearts[4], Spades[3], Spades[2] for a straight. Seems like decent odds I could win with that.

I could also Wager 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 (using Cheat) and use my Clubs 6 to instead reset some dice with 5 card stud.

I am one Cheat or Diamonds short of buying out the Mormon's House. I don't see a need to invest if I'm just going to get immediately overbid.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

Channeler is probably in Mormon House though and he has a ton of hearts and decent Cheat. He could wager a flush using some Cheat... hrm.

[Bek Okhan]

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 04:11 AM, said:

Here's my current plan. I'm spending Hearts[4] to join the Mormon House's off-thread channel. Maybe I can catch the Channeller and out them. I have no way to move off this location until Dusk/Night, so I just can't vote.

I'm down to my last bullet right now, and I'm going to go ahead and 5-Card Stud once Tapper can confirm some stuff for me.

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 04:23 AM, said:

On phone trying to get caught up. Is it just me or does a number of people on thread seam awfully chummy with each other already?

Saw that you created a friendship with grasp. What is the verdict? Friend or foe?

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

He's less hostile now... but far from a friend. I need Tapper to resolve my other stuff so I can Stud.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

He knows I can't vote and figured I was on Mormon House.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 05:06 AM, said:

OK I think I got him to swap his orders. He seems sincere about it. I think he thinks I'm possibly in his faction based on what he said when I first made contact, but if that was truthful, it's bad form to try and lynch me =p

Dem is getting thrown under the bus a bit here for my sake, but hey, such is life

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 05:32 AM, said:

Sorry got pulled away for some qt with the wife. I'm just not going to be able to participate much on thread. And if Demelain gets thrown under the bus then so be it. He might be someone we need gone anyway.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 05:55 AM, said:

Grasp, on 27 August 2013 - 05:13 AM, said:

OTOH I'm not sure I really know what I'm doing with this game anyways! ie I went for a couple big health dice rather than a bunch of little dice, but I don't really know if that's a good or bad thing. Likewise splitting up my dodges into little dice rather than keeping it all as one big one.

At least I know kinda what I'm doing in the game thread because it's mostly regular mafia behaviour!

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

So when will a mod give you the info on if he is on our team or not. Also did you lose sanity when the LaRue players were in the Mormon house with you?

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

I was not told that I had lost Sanity. I checked with Tapper, too. When Tapper gets on, presumably, he will tell me if Grasp is in the fold or not.

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 06:41 AM, said:

I'm trying to do work and seeing how long I can stay up to learn about Grasp. I hope my hunch about him is correct.

Bek Okhan, on 27 August 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

Rough set of outcomes today. Nobody is in Mormon House's thread right now. Grasp is not in the Cult. Denul has revealed he can't vote. He's showing no bullets, but there's a reasonable chance he is also in the Mormon House.

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Well it was worth a shot. I need to go get my Judge canidates in so I'll be back in a little. I wouldn't tell Grasp about the perma friendship and I would drop the thread after the day so he won't get suspicious.