[Grasp]

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

I could only do finds if the person is on the same tile no?

I think so, seems to be the only Night Cantrip so likely influenced same as attacks. You'd be able to mow through 4 potential alts at that location a night though and can take a break or cheat more to spread the info to someone you know from the Find is on your team - How much would most of us give for knowledge that we want x dead for sure, or y is on our team?

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 02:51 PM, said:

I don't see how that is possible? Can you only do finds with diamonds?

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Oh shit, yeah, sorry. Good point, I'd assumed a [6] of anything would work. Must read notes harder, harder!

Thanks for the vote by the way, I think it safe to say you wouldn't be my judge knowing you'd suicide - at least I have a feel for you now and I'd be quite happy for you to hang around until there is the chance of a lone gun winning

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I go away again tomorrow for 4 days so have little coverage. I want to play and find a way to gain health whilst I am losing it. I have asked PS if I can still use my abilities. If I can there is one that will increase my health

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I go away again tomorrow for 4 days so have little coverage. I want to play and find a way to gain health whilst I am losing it. I have asked PS if I can still use my abilities. If I can there is one that will increase my health

Put in provisionals for the next 3 game Day/Nights? given we had a truncated day there's no saying there wont be more. Wasn't it you who went off for a nice Bank Holiday weekend? Lucky sod with all these holidays.

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Planned in advance. I am not having a "big" holiday this year.

Okay what uses do you think best for these?

Marked Deck, change one suit to a suit of my choice for that phase

Palmed Ace create a die of a suit of my choice, pips of my choice

Raise the Stakes, permanently increase the ante of a locations wager, loser gives chepaest item to the winner also.

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Planned in advance. I am not having a "big" holiday this year.

Okay what uses do you think best for these?

Marked Deck, change one suit to a suit of my choice for that phase
If you want to go down the Finer route this is a good call - swap in so you have 2 Diamond [5]s

Palmed Ace create a die of a suit of my choice, pips of my choice
Again ideal for powering up Finder, expensive though I guess so you'll need to be somewhere you can fund it from

Raise the Stakes, permanently increase the ante of a locations wager, loser gives chepaest item to the winner also.
If you have suspicions about gold/pixie needs for your faction as a whole this would be worth considering at Dead Danes Deed or Fleece Springs, everyone else will also get the bonus though. At a guess your Bank Robber would suffer heavily from increased items, Cattle Thief may need to power summons with gold or pixie, Gunslinger will also suffer in Wagers. All in I'd say this role is one tailored to your own benefits rather than team.

If you go through your items you've bound to have a few that you want to create with high die costs, it may be worth lumping them in and having a day of item creation to power yourself up.

I wonder if anyone on thread has actually picked up on you being insane yet after saying you didn't want Judge? Better go check, spam session is going on well it seems.

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

Hah, you're cracking me up on thread

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Ha ha, I am winding Fanderay right up.

Thanks for the heads up. I will look into it and lay down some provisionals.

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

I am going to call out Fanderay. It's a bit of fun, people will think me at their location. Palmed Ace, shoot out, wager and russian roulette.

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Hehe, I like it. No idea whose side Fanderay is with but by god they can't let go of someone wanting them dead can they.

Plus with the move being Day, they can't really escape from a Wager, if they try everyone knows they're at Mud Street in Night so will be slinging shots their way too

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

I am waiting for him to accept before I throw down the Russian Roulette.

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Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Might be wiser to wait till it is nearly RVNP, you could still be an alt that isn't around after all. Although it may frame Rashan nicely, will have to check when he was on vs the last call.

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Oooh do that.

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I am trying to provoke the thread into voting for me, I am insane so i am acting insane if you haven't noticed

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 04:09 PM, said:

I am trying to provoke the thread into voting for me, I am insane so i am acting insane if you haven't noticed

I had indeed, how many other have I begin to wonder.

Fanders hasn't noticed yet has he?

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

ha ha no. I'm off for a bit. Catch you later on.

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

Ditto, back in 5 hours or so. Last time I said that Day ended whilst I was out!

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

Unfortunately, the blind idiots aren't thinking straight. Yesterdays lynch failed when the Electee was made unable to stand so it would have fallen to the backup were there one. There wasn't. Now, there is. It is one that few are willing to countenance. Therefore the person behind the failed election yesterday is extremely unlikely to pull the same trick today because they know it may well be their head on the block given that no-one knows the backup Judge. Whats more, my case should galvanise the rest of the thread into actually, you know, putting some effort into an election that we are pretty sure will work. I'm telling you so that if you get another friendship and have survived then you can confirm my intentions to others.

Cast, on 28 August 2013 - 10:36 PM, said:

I'm in bed, can I, process this tomorrow?

Barghast, on 28 August 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Sure, no worries

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Sorry, I'd forgotten that it was your neck on the line in the other lynch. I'll have to try and put in a bit of effort to swing it off you.

Have you checked with PS about any further hints about your sanity? The only ways I've come up with of saying that a lynch for you benefits no-one is so obviously pointing out you're insane that it'd likely be mod-kill. It might not come to that but if you need to, do what you can and/or let me know and I'll try and we can get the point across.

Cast, on 29 August 2013 - 10:45 AM, said:

You don't need to look after me. If I'm lynched I'm lynched we move on. I still think.it will move elsewhere. I'm still in bed believe it or not. Day off :-)

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 11:24 AM, said:

I'm still not inclined to see you casually lynched though, hell, I'm rooting for you to win it as an independent actually, I suspect there are a few others who've lost their sanity or are incredibly close to it but I like your baiting of Fanders, even if he wussed out.

Jammy bugger, I've been out to the dentist for a checkup already - I'm only working part time in the evenings at the moment.

Cast, on 29 August 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

I am thinking of calling someone else out. Who do you think has a high attack and can feasibly win a shoot out? That is not you and not on our teams? I will call them out, at Betty's bar. They accept, I russian roulette the place. They lose the wager and hit themselves with a powerful attack.

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

Merrid and Liosan have demonstrated [5] bullet die on thread which either implies highly offensive skilled or stupid die setup. Possibly a big hitter die for thread and many smaller attacks.

Grasp has showed a [4] before, not no real clue as to him though other than he 3/4 isn't Cult, 1/4 isn't South.

We've then got a selection of alts who have showed [3] - Fanderay (wussed out already), Hanas (no read on at all), Hentos (ditto but 2/4 chance not Cult 1/4 not South), Lock (3/4 not Cult, 2/4 not Uni), Rashan (2/4 not Cult, 1/4 not South).

Names in blue are likely to be showing up in the next 2-4ish hours, red out for the day after 2-4 hours. There may be one or two more to the above but this is based entirely on shown bullets on thread so hard to call accurately. Could be many people holding back big die with a 1 or 2 showing on thread and a big one hidden away, or just might be low hitters. Might be worth checking back how many bullets Liosan, Merrid and Grasp have active on thread if your ability specifies they have to use the biggest die - you know for sure what they'll have as a minimum then.

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

Something to consider actually, RR from what I checked back and read forces highest die, therefore higher die on thread may be worth considering as targets right at the start of a day - you know guaranteed they have that die minimum then. Although there is the risk that they have insta-submitted actions to use them up if they get a hint - might be worth keeping an eye on who has had convos with Jalan since that day and who those in turn talk to - it is bound to be a big question put to him. Did Liosan not have to shoot himself too?

Cast, on 29 August 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

Yes Lio has a shoot out with Jalan, the same day i moved to their location. I had a wager against Jalan, russian roulette style. So Jalan has either a lot of health or very weak attacks.

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Well this is good, Bek has friended me but right away buggered off. He's rising up my want dead list!

[Grasp]

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Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

I've got a bad feeling about whatever trick Liosan is pulling, he's doing a reasonable job of pulling himself out of the lynch, but at what price? He's on a few lists so may well still be in target.

Cast, on 29 August 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

I cannot use palmed ace to create a for that is used other than wages! So my move earlier was illegal.can I use cheat die to create a shoot out situation?

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

Two possible variations:

The Wager version, that says you can use a Cheat as a card:
Cheat dice can affect Poker as well by acting as a die of Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts or Spades.

and the Investment version which says you can't:
Cheat dice can be used to increase a die of any suit, but cannot take the place of a die

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Conclusion for the day: Bek is a dick and will from now on be one of my lynches.

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 10:31 PM, said:

If you have anything left that is likely to damage/harm any faction my suggestion would be to pop in early tomorrow and whack it in if they get more than another vote on the bigger train. Take some of those fuckers that want you dead down a peg or two. Failing that, cantrip your way across the thread and spread as much BS as you can dream up just to sow a little doubt in their minds. Your CF will show who you are, your investments have been pretty clear but no-one knows if you can regenerate/reset dice from other items/abilities, play up those doubts. Claim you did finds on X to Y and they're on the same team, tell Z that A needs to die for their VCs, tell B that it is C whose summoning has been costing them sanity, that style of thing. Cause utter chaos.

Barghast, on 29 August 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

On the chance that Day ends and you live, you fancy setting up some on-thread coded comms between us?

Cast, on 30 August 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

Yes to all that. Do you have an inkling who is who? Ie who is,a summoner.

Barghast, on 30 August 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

Bek is 2/3 chance of being a summoner. He claims in PM a mechanic that allows him to generate any die he wants so presumably the 6 of Clubs, the remaining reset dice still pin him as those three, he's trying to weasel out of being pinned as a role. Could be South, LaRua or Cult. He can't be the Uni one and Cult don't have summoning I think from the OP. He's the only one I am even close to sure on - I'm 2/3 sure Liosan isn't a summoner by the same logic, if he is he is South or LaRua. No-one else has enough big dice on thread to narrow them down.

I'm sort of around for the next few hours on and off, not going to show on thread until late though, they don't want me as second, they can deal with it themselves. Demelain and Lock have been around before Days end/RNVP before so they can shift their votes. You know that if another vote goes down then you're presumably dead so how do you plan on revenge? Or would you like me to oblige? Mind you, until PS confirms the lynches you can presumably keep playing? Have we had situations before where there has actually got to be direct notification from PS as to who got lynched beyond what we can see for ourselves?

Okay, signalling. You've got some pretty clear ground to make chicken noises at anyone you want dead, how about we go on a theme with that - find a vaguely chicken/hedging post by the alt, cluck at them:

"Buck Awk" - University
"Buck Bark" - LaRua
"Cluck Awk" - South
"Cluck Erk" - Cult
"Cluck Bark" - Aces (yeah I don't really expect you to be outing your own team )

I can signal back to you in the same fashion for a day or two probably - I'll just say you're infectious if anyone queries it. Anything not those 5 will just not be a signal?

Barghast, on 30 August 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

If I do hammer (got 40min yet by PS's Day start post) what do you want me to claim ill effects I've suffered for doing so? Or will I suffer?

Cast, on 30 August 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

You won't suffer but you can make something up y to mess with their heads

[Grasp]

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

For the Elect-Trick'ing, if I swap with the actual-elected Mayor, PS still reveals that Mayor's name, but if I use it to get Judge PS announces me as Judge.

What I did yesterday was Elect-Trick Jalan, so when he got elected Mayor I became Mayor instead but it still announced him. Then I elected him as Judge, making myself Judge.

So even though it looks like Election >> Jalan >> Grasp >> Lynches

it was really Election >> Grasp >> Grasp >> Lynches

Also meaning I got 2 XP and Jalan got none


But yeah, since the Judge is revealed on-thread I will be trying today and onwards to intercept the Mayor candidate, but then still pick the Judge they would have picked, so everything will look normal on-thread but I'll still get the XP.

Naturally, I'll try not to let a lynch go through that would get one of us 3 lynched!

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Sucks about the cardiac attack. *hugs* to you and your other half
Thanks, not been fun but he's awake and making sense so hope not to have much ill effects - he collapsed down the gym, I always said exercise was bad for you, luckily there was a defib not far away.

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Yeah, I'll toss the pressure, just needed to vent a bit

How sure are you that he's really insane? I think claiming to be insane will be the most common fake story for PMs, makes anyone seem like less of a threat.
He was on Mud Street which investment confirmed, Denul says 6 Sanity on the first resolution which puts Shark at -1, Cast claimed 3 a night though and as you see from the convo he was reasonably convincing.


Here's my current guesses on alignments and roles from chats and other stuff:

Grasp, on 29 August 2013 - 05:28 PM, said:

Other player suspicions:

Uni (4):
Denul (Azath) - Student
Barghast - Enginseer
Alchembiologist - I wonder who this is, it is one that wasn't vacant in the signups but can only be one of Demelain, Fanderay, Grasp, Hanas, Hentos, Meanas, Merrid, Nimander or Rashan

Aces (4):
Meanas
Fanderay
Card Shark (confirmed) - Cast
Cattle Thief (confirmed)
Bank Robber
Gunslinger - confirmed - this dear took a shot at me Night 1 and the investments match. No idea who though.

LaRua (3):
Ultama - Hexslinger - DEAD
Channeler
Wanderer
Scion

South (4):
Lock - Amy LaBelle, the Cardslinger (hero) - DEAD -- probably promoted to hero after Emur modkilled - Replaced one existing role
Emurlahn - DEAD
Ranger
Scion
Hunter
Captain


Cult (3):
Bek Okhan - Service Conductor - DEAD
Liosan (Gust Hubb) - Iron Worker - INSANE
Nimander Golit (Shin) - Locomindhive
(no Agent)



Cast
Demelain
Hanas
Hentos Ilm
Jalan
Merrid
Rashan

Jalan as I say is LaRua, you've done finds on the others?

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Here's my dice:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

Day 4 - Friendship with Barghast

Bullets -> [6] [3/4]
Aim -> [5]
Dodge -> [2] [2] [2] [1]
Luck -> [1] [1] [1]
Health -> [1] [1] [1] [1] [1] [1] [1] [1] [1] [1]

Clubs -> [6] [4] [2]
Diamonds -> [6]
Hearts -> [2] [1]
Spades -> [2]
Cheat -> [2] [1] [1]

Sanity -> { 7 }
Pixie Powder -> [1]
Golddust ->
Speed -> [3]
Attunement -> [4]

[x/y] = pips crossed out from total
blue = active thread bullets die
red = used
purple = destroyed

Current Items: Battery, Power Socket, Extension Cord, Electric Fence

The Diamonds [6] is new, got it with my XP, so haven't gotten any Find results from it yet.

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

For the Elect-Trick'ing, if I swap with the actual-elected Mayor, PS still reveals that Mayor's name, but if I use it to get Judge PS announces me as Judge.

What I did yesterday was Elect-Trick Jalan, so when he got elected Mayor I became Mayor instead but it still announced him. Then I elected him as Judge, making myself Judge.

So even though it looks like Election >> Jalan >> Grasp >> Lynches

it was really Election >> Grasp >> Grasp >> Lynches

Also meaning I got 2 XP and Jalan got none


But yeah, since the Judge is revealed on-thread I will be trying today and onwards to intercept the Mayor candidate, but then still pick the Judge they would have picked, so everything will look normal on-thread but I'll still get the XP.

Naturally, I'll try not to let a lynch go through that would get one of us 3 lynched!

Holy crap that's better than I thought, has he not realised he didn't get XP?!

Denul is set as my Judge, or you if you fancy it - the 5XP perk from the Chair is too good to miss.

Now time for as fast a shower as I've ever had then a brief stint at work

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Jalan as I say is LaRua, you've done finds on the others?

No, just evidence and suspicions based on observations and other players' chats.

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

For the Elect-Trick'ing, if I swap with the actual-elected Mayor, PS still reveals that Mayor's name, but if I use it to get Judge PS announces me as Judge.

What I did yesterday was Elect-Trick Jalan, so when he got elected Mayor I became Mayor instead but it still announced him. Then I elected him as Judge, making myself Judge.

So even though it looks like Election >> Jalan >> Grasp >> Lynches

it was really Election >> Grasp >> Grasp >> Lynches

Also meaning I got 2 XP and Jalan got none


But yeah, since the Judge is revealed on-thread I will be trying today and onwards to intercept the Mayor candidate, but then still pick the Judge they would have picked, so everything will look normal on-thread but I'll still get the XP.

Naturally, I'll try not to let a lynch go through that would get one of us 3 lynched!

Holy crap that's better than I thought, has he not realised he didn't get XP?!

Denul is set as my Judge, or you if you fancy it - the 5XP perk from the Chair is too good to miss.

Now time for as fast a shower as I've ever had then a brief stint at work

I haven't got the Chair yet, and don't think I'll be able to for a little while so leave it on that. If I don't show up as Judge or Mayor in the reveals for a bit I can probably pull off another double later when I need to.

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Other than Elect-Tricking, I was mostly making items days 1 and 2, but I'm all setup now. Last night I did an Attack and a Zap against Liosan, hence his Constitution today. Since I have Extension Cord and am on Mud Street I can hit any location. The only thing I'm worried about is Wanted status, so I'm going to try and use the Mud Street Wager to push people off of it at night so if I kill them I don't get Wanted (as long as they're off Mud Street I won't get it).

Fingers crossed Liosan is low enough on health that I'll finish him off tonight.

What we really need is for Denul to do another super-investment of Mud Street, though, since Aces are getting close to an investment victory and we can't win without it!

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

My dice are:

Physical:
Bullets [2] [1] (now 0 - thread die)
Aim [2]
Dodge [2] [1]
Luck [0]
Health [3] [1]

Magical
Clubs [3] [1]
Diamonds [5+1] [5] [4] [1] [1]
Hearts [3] [1]
Spades [3]
Cheat [2] [2] [1] [1] [1] [1]

Mental:
Sanity [6] [1]
Pixie Powder [5]
Gold Dust [2]
Speed [2] [1] [1]
Attunement [6] [1]

I've made the Extraction Arm and Wheels and C3Peon is inhabiting Aranananthanathas

I'll be back in about 5 hours, give or take.

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Other than Elect-Tricking, I was mostly making items days 1 and 2, but I'm all setup now. Last night I did an Attack and a Zap against Liosan, hence his Constitution today. Since I have Extension Cord and am on Mud Street I can hit any location. The only thing I'm worried about is Wanted status, so I'm going to try and use the Mud Street Wager to push people off of it at night so if I kill them I don't get Wanted (as long as they're off Mud Street I won't get it).

Fingers crossed Liosan is low enough on health that I'll finish him off tonight.

What we really need is for Denul to do another super-investment of Mud Street, though, since Aces are getting close to an investment victory and we can't win without it!

Lucky you, I've made very little due to my small number of bullets. Goat and Bullet Storm tonight, I'll tell Liosan that Cast forced me to attack myself or some such shit

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

If Liosan is on Mud Street, want my Goat or C3Peon to take a shot too?

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

Oh and keep in mind about the Electric Fence! Anyone moving out of Mud Street will take 1 damage as long as I'm camped here (and I'm not planning to move, unless you want me to)

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

If Liosan is on Mud Street, want my Goat or C3Peon to take a shot too?

I might force him to move out of it with the Mud Street wager so I don't get Wanted. If so, and you can coax out of your chat with him what location he goes to, go for it!

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Ahh cool, does it apply to Shoot Out departures too do you know? C3Peon can heal me for 3 so health isn't an issue unless someone starts shooting repeatedly - my Luck is 0 so I don't have a huge survivability once I'm found.

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

If Liosan is on Mud Street, want my Goat or C3Peon to take a shot too?

I might force him to move out of it with the Mud Street wager so I don't get Wanted. If so, and you can coax out of your chat with him what location he goes to, go for it!

If you can get Denul back here to invest, at what point does ownership transfer - if he invests at 6am say, can you pick the destination at 8am?

Ahh, it is next Move, so would be at end of Day, hence convo ended.

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Ahh cool, does it apply to Shoot Out departures too do you know? C3Peon can heal me for 3 so health isn't an issue unless someone starts shooting repeatedly - my Luck is 0 so I don't have a huge survivability once I'm found.

I think it's only in the Move Phase, so shouldn't affect Shoot Outs.

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

If Liosan is on Mud Street, want my Goat or C3Peon to take a shot too?

I might force him to move out of it with the Mud Street wager so I don't get Wanted. If so, and you can coax out of your chat with him what location he goes to, go for it!

If you can get Denul back here to invest, at what point does ownership transfer - if he invests at 6am say, can you pick the destination at 8am?

Ahh, it is next Move, so would be at end of Day, hence convo ended.

I think the investments only get processed at the end of the day, or maybe even only at the end of the day/night cycle

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 08:56 PM, said:

Back, work sucks on occasion. Got some messages from Liosan, just going to check them out

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

Liosan, having asked for healing and been told I can help:

Liosan, on 03 September 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Excellent. Betty's Bar this night.

Jalan is obviously lying scum, so what do you think I think .

Well, I am looking for a couple of factions (and I'll let you guess my intentions, whether benign or not): CC, LaRau, and Aces.

You?

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

^This does, of course, mean he'll take 1 damage from your fence just getting to Bettys, assuming he isn't already there. The factions are sufficiently vague he could be anyone.

Edit: claiming has someones entire PM - Meanas, yours or his own. Wants a high price for it though. Bit early in the day to be Meanas so got to be his own.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:24 AM, said:

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

^This does, of course, mean he'll take 1 damage from your fence just getting to Bettys, assuming he isn't already there. The factions are sufficiently vague he could be anyone.

Edit: claiming has someones entire PM - Meanas, yours or his own. Wants a high price for it though. Bit early in the day to be Meanas so got to be his own.

Remember when I said I went to *all* the stops to convince him I was the Loco?

I made a whole fake role PM

Thanks for the Betty's Bar setup. Saying you'll heal him, that is excellently devious, well done!

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

btw this is D'rek if I didn't mention that earlier!

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 02:38 AM, said:

Hehe, ahh, so it is yours he's trying to sell to me then - for the role/alignment of 4 alts no less! Now should I buy known dodgy goods?

I did consider making one up but thought better of it - MS Word is what Tapper made them in I think so pretty easy to fake. Actually, I may just do that. Though not with Liosan, someone totally immune to convo so far - Nimander maybe if he'll start one with me.

Well the C3Peon gave me the idea, it can actually do it, I've back-tracked a little though, he's not expecting me till not this night but the one after but I'm pretty sure he's there already. I'll send C3Peon in to take some shots and confirm it this night. Should sort out some signals for results of that really, damn, finding a post *without* signals is going to be hard soon.

He's actually jiving pretty well with my story, I put that down to minecraft if it is indeed Gust, knowing him that little bit better - Messremb here btw.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

Gotcha.

We should set up a signal for passing along the results of any finds I do now that I can do the night find cantrip. Would you be okay with animal signals?

ie: if I quote someone's post and use the word _______ in reply, I did a find on them.

Elephant = LaRua

Gopher = Aces

Koala Bear = Corporate Cult

Pony = South

Duck(ling) = University

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Animals sound good, can't see how you're going to fit some of those into a sentence though I'll try and come up with a set of signals for me to use overnight.

I've the potential to do 2 finds a night at the moment, I'm not going to be doing more yet though - currently I can run a 6 5 4 1 1 of diamonds, prefect setup with my cheats [2] [1] for a unbeatable straight flush or 2 finds, after today that'll be 6 5 4 1 2, still giving me easy call for trashing any wagers with my cheat [2]s until I summon more. 2 finds are going to be an easy call for me, it's just my lack of bullets that are going to be the issue for me. I'm probably not going to vote today in order to have 1/3 of my actions of some personal use.

PS has confirmed that if I set off a Gatling Goat + Bullet Storm I'll be told who it hit and who it didn't so I can pin down which alts are at a location in Night, if it doesn't kill anyone/thing it doesn't get Wanted status too so may be a bit more than a glass cannon location find/minor damage inflictor.

I found on Jalan as I said before, Liosan I also targeted that same night but he ran away, his comment as to what happened:

Liosan, on 03 September 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

That is cause I never did anything to him. I moved him to DDD, sic'd Lock on him and ran like the smart man that I am.

Claims he knew Lock was a summoner/hexer and was setting them on Jalan.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

Lock was Cardslinger though, which doesn't sound like much of a summon/hexer. Doesn't really matter in the end.


We've got

Demelain
Hanas
Hentos Ilm
Merrid
Rashan

left that we don't know or have good suspicions of the alignment of.

Since you can do 1-2 finds and I can do 1, want to split them up as:

Bargh - Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm
Grasp - Merrid, Rashan

So we don't waste phases duplicating our results?

I'll figure out a way to work the animal signals in, just keep an eye out for the references. You make up whatever system you think will work best and I'll keep an eye out for it, too.

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 03:26 AM, said:

Cool, sounds like a good plan - may impact my voting ability to do more than one a night though, must avoid spending on conversations again I think. The trick is finding where they are - if they aren't in the same location as you I know for a fact the find fails - I've had 2 such so far. I'm in Mud Street right now, I was going to create a Bullet Storm & Gatling Goat today, I'll make it just the Bullet Storm in preparation for later summoning and do a find on Demelain - saves your sanity taking a hit and then summon elsewhere the next Night.

I've grown fairly attached to hiding signals in punctuation as you may have noticed if Denul passed that onto you, will have to come up with something different for this one.

Right, it's gone 4am, sleep is called for. Take care

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 03:26 AM, said:

Cool, sounds like a good plan - may impact my voting ability to do more than one a night though, must avoid spending on conversations again I think. The trick is finding where they are - if they aren't in the same location as you I know for a fact the find fails - I've had 2 such so far. I'm in Mud Street right now, I was going to create a Bullet Storm & Gatling Goat today, I'll make it just the Bullet Storm in preparation for later summoning and do a find on Demelain - saves your sanity taking a hit and then summon elsewhere the next Night.

I've grown fairly attached to hiding signals in punctuation as you may have noticed if Denul passed that onto you, will have to come up with something different for this one.

Right, it's gone 4am, sleep is called for. Take care

Denul only passed me the capitalizing-the-first-two-letters signal.

Doesn't have to be 2 finds per night, go with whatever is going to be your best development overall. It might end up being more beneficial to get centipedes on people to find their locations than to find their alignment, after all.

Hopefully you can get in on the Liosan kill and put some XP into more bullets!

Good night!

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 09:09 AM, said:

Denul, on 27 August 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

Barghast, on 27 August 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

I've checked and I can't see anywhere that summoning costs Sanity so my guess is once they drop to 0 then it is all open without worrying about repercussions. Sanity loss wont affect the Released Wanderer so much as I suspect they gain Sanity by winning Wagers, the rest should be holding back - I hope!

Might be a wise move to have a phrase we can slip into a post to indicate we've gone insane - if we don't know then the other one of us will put us as Judge still and the insane one promptly lynches themselves. A comment about needing to take a walk thinking on the game perhaps? Followed by an absence on thread?

So, for trust/distrust:
We know who we have convos with, if at the end of the convo I'll say thank you to the alt with the named of the alt followed by a differing bit of punctuation - , for not-team, ; for team. I can fit such a post in with how I've been playing pretty well, especially after we finish this one and I start my style rolling.

So:

Quote

Thank you for todays conversation Denul, it was good to chat away from PS's post restrictions.

^ You're on team

Quote

Thank you for todays conversation Denul; it was good to chat away from PS's post restrictions.

^You're not on team.

There is a chance we can put a complete picture of the alt together, if I'm sure of them wanting us dead (Aces & South) I'll end with [0}, if I'm sure we want them dead (LaRua and Cult) (0]

Quote

Thank you for todays conversation Denul; it was good to chat away from PS's post restrictions.

(0]

^You're not on team and I have narrowed down your faction to LaRua/Cult

Any ideas on your signal? Needs to be something that'll fit in with your posting style so you're in a better position than me.

Maybe when speaking of the alt fail to capitalise the star letter a few times for don't trust, over-capitalise for trust? denul and DEnul for instance, easy slip of the shift key. Just try not to mention them without capitalising for the whole day!

I like the first code for you, and the capitalization works for me, as I post alot off my phone, so it'll fit in well. For the insanity, I'll mention that I'll be back in a bit, but I need to get some things done. The "need to get things done" is the code for insanity, and if I say I'll be back in a bit without saying i need to get things done, it means I'm still sane.

Path-Shaper, on 03 September 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Grasp, on 02 September 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

Barghast, on 02 September 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

If Liosan is on Mud Street, want my Goat or C3Peon to take a shot too?

I might force him to move out of it with the Mud Street wager so I don't get Wanted. If so, and you can coax out of your chat with him what location he goes to, go for it!

If you can get Denul back here to invest, at what point does ownership transfer - if he invests at 6am say, can you pick the destination at 8am?

Ahh, it is next Move, so would be at end of Day, hence convo ended.

I think the investments only get processed at the end of the day, or maybe even only at the end of the day/night cycle

This. You can invest at any time (and it will count even if you die immediately after the phase) but the comparison between investments is only made at the end of the night. Technically, that means a team that lost its last member can still win.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

I don't get the punctuation posts. Do we really even need a trust/distrust signal for convos with other people? You should be able to prompt with hints about the Red Pill or other references to the Alchem's abilities and then quiz the person to find out if they are the Alchem or not, and if they're not I wouldn't trust them no matter how genuine they seem. Just like I don't trust that Lio or Cast are actually insane no matter how much they might claim it.

But a signal indicating faction would be good, as we need to prioritize killing the LaRua and Cult players over the Aces and South. I'm 70% confident we know the remaining Cult players - Lio and NG - but finding the last LaRua player (after Jalan and Ultama) is important. As is finding the Alchem. So being able to indicate at least if someone is Uni, LaRua or neither of those 2 is needed in the signal, IMO.

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Get as in see the need for or as in understand? Well, seemed like a good idea when we were chatting before so went with it. The danger with references to abilities Is that it clearly defines our faction - the others should know that Uni has a big information advantage with the Student, were I them Uni would be top of my list for dying even if they weren't part of my VCs.

Liosan claims a sanity loss of 5 Day 1 on Mud Street, Denul 6, 5 is still enough to take the Shark out of team so I'm really quite inclined to believe him given I know he was there Day 1. Liosan is also quite keen on knowing what I know about regaining sanity and faction, although he could put it together himself if he asks the right questions so I'm inclined to believe him too, for the moment.

You're confident on the numbers of people on each team - any reason for that? Signups indicated the following vacancies before all submissions were in:
1 Aces (Bank Robber),
2 Corporate Cult (Iron Worker & Conductor of Services),
2 South (Southern Scion) and
2 LaRua (Hexslinger & Released Wanderer)
Of those we know we started with 18 not 20 so maybe 2 are out, could well be the Scion and Bank Robber for all we know that I've seen. Not to mention that Dude bailed after roles were sent out and Tapper didn't notice Shin x 2 till the same time so could have been any roles lost there.

Emurhlan baling without a CF could have been any team, I'm not sure of your reasons for putting him down as South given this is his only post - #317

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Get as in see the need for or as in understand? Well, seemed like a good idea when we were chatting before so went with it. The danger with references to abilities Is that it clearly defines our faction - the others should know that Uni has a big information advantage with the Student, were I them Uni would be top of my list for dying even if they weren't part of my VCs.

Liosan claims a sanity loss of 5 Day 1 on Mud Street, Denul 6, 5 is still enough to take the Shark out of team so I'm really quite inclined to believe him given I know he was there Day 1. Liosan is also quite keen on knowing what I know about regaining sanity and faction, although he could put it together himself if he asks the right questions so I'm inclined to believe him too, for the moment.

You're confident on the numbers of people on each team - any reason for that? Signups indicated the following vacancies before all submissions were in:
1 Aces (Bank Robber),
2 Corporate Cult (Iron Worker & Conductor of Services),
2 South (Southern Scion) and
2 LaRua (Hexslinger & Released Wanderer)
Of those we know we started with 18 not 20 so maybe 2 are out, could well be the Scion and Bank Robber for all we know that I've seen. Not to mention that Dude bailed after roles were sent out and Tapper didn't notice Shin x 2 till the same time so could have been any roles lost there.

Emurhlan baling without a CF could have been any team, I'm not sure of your reasons for putting him down as South given this is his only post - #317

There's been so much cross-chat that Lio could easily know that there was a lot of sanity hits in Mud Street on Days 1 and 2, and therefore claim the insanity even though he isn't. I could do the same thing, too, for that matter. Better to not trust and he be right than to trust him and be deceived.


My faction numbers speculation is based on the VCs. 18 players = 4 / 4 / 4 / 3 / 3 role distribution. We're the only faction with a "Kill ____ and ____ and control <Location>" type of VC. My guess is that the reason we have a harder VC like that is because the two factions we need to kill each have only 3 members, so killing LaRua and Cult is a bit easier for us than for another faction to kill the 7 or 8 people of the 2 factons they must eliminate.

I also find it very unlikely South gained enough XP naturally to get a hero promotion since we had had no kills and no lynches before the Amy Labelle CF. So my guess is that when Emur got modkilled on day 1 it left South at a big disadvantage, so Tapper upgraded one of the South roles to a hero for free to try and re-balance the game for them.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Fanderay has already put himself forward as Mayor or Judge for a Jalan lynch today.

I think you should agree and tell him on-thread you'd agree to that and suggest he be Mayor, you be Judge. But a vote on him while you're at it.

I really think we'll end up with a Jalan lynch today, as most people probably agree they want to punish him and he isn't on most people's teams. Pressure on him might show us the other LaRua, too.

Getting your name down as the Judge before anyone else does pretty much claims it for you, and you could use the XP.

If it's looking good before RNVP, I'll Elect-Trick Fanderay to invisibly become Mayor but still pick you as Judge and you still lynch Jalan. It'll look honest to everyone else on-thread, and at the same time we ensure that no one can backstab the election and lynch one of us!

Sound good?

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

The only other alts Liosan has spoken to was Meanas yesterDay and Merrid today so potential for lying agreed, unlikely for him to have gotten much out of Merrid before I got the 5 out of him though. I'm going to take it as honest for the convo I have with him

Goddammit. I totally missed that from the OP, did you let Denul know? Mud Street needs to be taken then and he's our best investor. Nice spot, I thought I'd picked up everything. I wonder if anyone else has noticed? Those who mod/create games more often I guess so we have Blend and Shin for sure. I'm going to have to read the whole OP again I think.

Agreed on the Hero front now you mention it, I hadn't connected the modkill with it but had assumed it was for balance from the start.

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 02:28 PM, said:

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Fanderay has already put himself forward as Mayor or Judge for a Jalan lynch today.

I think you should agree and tell him on-thread you'd agree to that and suggest he be Mayor, you be Judge. But a vote on him while you're at it.

I really think we'll end up with a Jalan lynch today, as most people probably agree they want to punish him and he isn't on most people's teams. Pressure on him might show us the other LaRua, too.

Getting your name down as the Judge before anyone else does pretty much claims it for you, and you could use the XP.

If it's looking good before RNVP, I'll Elect-Trick Fanderay to invisibly become Mayor but still pick you as Judge and you still lynch Jalan. It'll look honest to everyone else on-thread, and at the same time we ensure that no one can backstab the election and lynch one of us!

Sound good?

Sounds good to me, I'll try and big myself up as Mayor too for my alternate train, stack the deck both ways

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Okay, but wait a bit on the Mayor alternate train, I want the Fanderay -> Barghast -> Jalan idea to get really cemented and letting that be the only proposal for a couple hours should establish it pretty well. If you can drop a vote on fanderay as a sign of committal that'd be even better.

I can only Elect-Trick until RNVP, which is why I am pushy to get trains built up earlier in the day (was doing the same yesterday and the day before).

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Okay, but wait a bit on the Mayor alternate train, I want the Fanderay -> Barghast -> Jalan idea to get really cemented and letting that be the only proposal for a couple hours should establish it pretty well. If you can drop a vote on fanderay as a sign of committal that'd be even better.

I can only Elect-Trick until RNVP, which is why I am pushy to get trains built up earlier in the day (was doing the same yesterday and the day before).

I noted that from your PM yeah, thought you were lucky there - I had horrible images of me actually winning the election yesterday when I started collecting votes.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

And yeah, we need Denul to focus on investing into Mud Street above all else, I think, especially now that the Aces have it.

Problem is contacting him without looking suspicious. Maybe you should bid whatever with Lio to get my fake role PM, then say on-thread something like "Denul, I got some information from Lio, is our deal still in effect?" then we hope Azath figures it out and says something to the effect of Yes, then you do a Clubs [1] Telegram cantrip that looks to others like you're sending him my role PM from Lio, but really the message emphasizes his need to invest in Mud Street plus whatever other info we can squeeze in?

I think it'll be less suspicious you doing it than me after I had Friendship with him yesterday. Plus Lio is probably selling that fake role PM to a lot of people so it looks believable to them.

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Sneaky D'rek is sneaky, I like.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Thanks

The OP doesn't say any length limits on the Telegram, so we can stuff a lot of info in there. I'll start trying to dump everything together into a good format.

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Jalan can only be Channeler

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

Because of the Summons?

What about the Wanderer or Scion? They don't seem like as intensive summoner roles but could still have one summon that he is claiming.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Here's what I've got so far put together for the message to Denul:



-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Confirmed and suspected roles:

Suspect role distribution is 4-Uni / 4-Aces / 4-South / 3-LaRua / 3-Cult
(Uni is the only faction that also has to claim Mud Street to win by elimination - suspect this is because LaRua and Cult have only 3 members each)

Uni (4):
Denul (Azath) - Student
Barghast (Messremb) - Enginseer
Grasp (D'rek) - Tesla
-- Alchembiologist

Aces (4):
Meanas - Ultama claimed he found Meanas as Aces
Fanderay - suspected Aces
Cast (Brujah) - Card Shark - possibly INSANE
--

LaRua (3):
Ultama - Hexslinger - DEAD
Jalan - suspect Channeler
--

South (4):
Lock - Amy LaBelle, the Cardslinger (hero) - DEAD -- suspect promoted to hero after Emur modkilled to rebalance the game for South
Emurlahn - DEAD - suspect South
--
--

Cult (3):
Bek Okhan - Service Conductor - DEAD
Liosan (Gust Hubb) - Iron Worker - claims INSANE
Nimander Golit (Shin) - Locomindhive



Unknown:

Demelain
Hanas
Hentos Ilm
Merrid
Rashan



We are planning to do Finds on the unknowns, or make Friendships with them and hint at Alchem abilities (The Red Pill is a good one - it doesn't sound too Potion-y, just make a blue pill/red pill Matrix reference).

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Codes:

1. If Grasp quotes a post and uses an animal in her post, it indicates she has learned the quoted player's faction.

Elephant = LaRua
Gopher = Aces
Koala Bear = Corporate Cult
Pony = South
Duck(ling) = University

ie:

 Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

 Jalan, on 03 September 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Blah blah blah this is a post

That's so dumb, you must be a my little pony fan!

^^this would be a code that Grasp found Jalan to be of the South faction.


2. <Barghast code here>



3. As always, capitalizing the first two letters of an alt name (ie: "FAnderay") seemingly by mistake indicates that you trust the player, but not necessarily that they are the Alchembiologist.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Victory Conditions:

We need to kill LaRua and Cult, AND control Mud Street. What we are thinking is that we will focus on the killing part and you focus on the Mud Street investment part. You've got the 7/7/7/7 dice that are ideal for investing while we two have more specialized dice so can't invest so well. There's probably only Nimander, Liosan, Jalan and one other LaRua left that we need to kill, so try to push on Mud Street as soon as you can. But not at the expense of risking you dying of course!


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Various Infos:

1. Grasp gave Lio a fake role PM for me as if she were the Locomindhive. Lio's now selling it to people. Hilarity ensues. A lot of people probably believe Grasp is the Loco. Our fake positing for this Telegram is:
a - you and Barg have an information-exchange deal from when you were Friends
b - Lio sells Barg my fake role PM
c - Barg sends it to you via Telegram
d - you reciprocate. We're not specifying the nature of the deal, it could be a hypothetical deal where Barg gives you info and you heal him at night, or some such. So if you don't want to spend a die sending back a Telegram, just say on-thread that you got 'it', 'it' was good and you will do a vague thing that you said you would.

2. Grasp is camping on Mud Street with an Electric Fence, so moving off of Mud Street will cause 1 damage. Moving back does not.

3. We're trying to kill Lio tonight.

4. Feel free to try and run for Mayor or Judge. We also might do an Elect-Trick switch to you at some point if it's necessary. So keep your lynch choices as Liosan, Jalan or Nimander every day just in case!

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

Looks superb, I'm going to leave it a few hours more with Liosan then indicate I may be willing to agree to his price, I'll probably put Denul as South, Cast as LaRua and you as CC if you think they could wash? I may even "reveal" my own faction as part of the deal. Denul will have claimed a find on Cast - with South that'll leave 2 potential roles, Captain and Ranger in case Lio actually happens to be one of them he'll assume it is the other. Cast could be any of the potential LaRuas, only risk is if Lio opens a convo with him and Cast rolls over like he did for me. CC will fit for you with having claimed Loco and you have shown no dice that could narrow you down too much, beyond having to have cheated to open convos.

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

That sounds good to me. Go for it whenever you feel ready.

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

It'll be after I get in later - Liosan hasn't showed up so far today and I'm out shortly. I'll put it here if it is anything other than Loco, he might play that his own is one from someone else, it's what I'd have considered just to mess with them.

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

How on Earth did you fake a PM? I can't figure out half the fonts Tapper used, bet he used obscure ones deliberately

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 02:24 AM, said:

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

^This does, of course, mean he'll take 1 damage from your fence just getting to Bettys, assuming he isn't already there. The factions are sufficiently vague he could be anyone.

Edit: claiming has someones entire PM - Meanas, yours or his own. Wants a high price for it though. Bit early in the day to be Meanas so got to be his own.

Remember when I said I went to *all* the stops to convince him I was the Loco?

I made a whole fake role PM

Thanks for the Betty's Bar setup. Saying you'll heal him, that is excellently devious, well done!

I do believe I've just got his actual PM. Confirmed CC - Iron Worker. I'll post it here shortly

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 12:17 AM, said:

This is what prompted him to drop it so you know where I'm shooting from:

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

Actually, you know what, fuck it. I'm the Card Shark. Jalan is hinting on thread why there have been no more RRs - it's because he knows how many summons he cast Day 1 and knows I was there too, therefore I am also insane and no longer part of anyones VCs. Incidentally, he didn't shift his ass from DDD that Night so he may still be there if you have a good shot.

You know your shoot out with Jalan? I wagered Jalan that Day under RR rules, nice choice of shoot out location - loser is forced to attack himself, using all the highest dice available - bullet, aim etc.

Cast is Scion of LaRua, didn't get any role abilities out of him and Denul is South, no further info.

Now I'm expecting this PM to be your own but claimed to be from someone else you know

He's just opened a convo with you again, that'll raise a few eyebrows.

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 12:27 AM, said:

Do bear in mind if you attack him and he's on Mud Street you'll become Wanted. I'm not going to summon a Goat or do anything else today, my last die will be the message to Denul so here's hoping the XP comes my way!

If only I could see his face when he gets to SH - he thinks he's played me.

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

Okay, location confirmed through not-really-usual-Mafia-play means:

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Well, because you are Mess, I will tell you I lied about the role sheet. I have another one that is a team mates, but I of course ain't giving that one away. So yeah, I am the iron worker. Planning to have Betty's Bar become public property end of today

He's going to want to kill me when he sees SH!

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

FYI here's the fake role PM I had sent to him. Now that we have his role PM you can see the colours and borders are a bit off, but he hasn't seemed to notice that

Grasp, on 29 August 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

Alright, I'll assume you're loyal and if not well you'll probably get lynched anyways.

I don't have any method of proving it. Not like can use Brag in PMs. So I'll just dump my role:

[Grasp]

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

Here's my convo with him so far today. I didn't want to seem too eager to accept the lies you're feeding him in case he gets suspicious of us colluding, so played it as being skeptical of you but liking you. Should work just about perfect.

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

So as not to waste a perfectly good thread hello again!

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Basically, as I said, I still support you. I haven't given you away to Bargy (who thinks you are CC but wants to gain your trust by faking being the Locohivemind), though I did give him my role sheet (labeled as someone else's) to get some really good intel. But first

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

So here's the scoop yo: Bargy is insane, I doubt NG is on our team, but who the 4th member is, still working on that. You basically could win it for us still and screw everyone over, which would give me joy. As soon as I get this damn baby outta my arms, I'll dump what I know on you, free o charge

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Oh and one other thing, Barghy does seem like a good one. Help him if it doesn't conflict w/ CC, and esp if you knock off a LaRau or two.

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

Ok, starting the dump (aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh)

Quotes from NG:

"I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume there are abilities in the game that can intercept communications like this, so I'll start off by saying I am not going to reveal the name of our faction, just in case.

My ability allows me to connect specifically with other members of my faction only, with the caveat that the ability also permanently blocks any chance of other off-thread comms for my teammate afterwards. So...if you had comms with someone earlier, I apologize for breaking them. And if you were hoping to forge any comms, er...sorry about that too.

If you can think of a clever way to confirm we are of the same faction without actually spelling it out in this convo, I'm all ears. I would at least hope as the game progresses it will become obvious on thread that we are working for the same team in some manner. I certainly won't vote for any mayor appointing a judge out to get you. (unless of course we figure out that lynching is helpful in some way, if you have some ability or something).

This is Shinrei by the way, so I apologize in advance for having a lousy timezone.

I don't know who anyone else is, yet. You're the first person I've established contact with.

Let me go look at the numbers and get you my role.

I am the only 1/3/6 pixie dust.

I don't have anything that can help your sanity, although I can start giving you XP as of tomorrow.

I have been fucked by my timezone again. I was waiting to see whether I would be needed to vote on thread or not, before I made my final decision on actions. The lynch happened while I was asleep and I have, subsequently, taken no actions at all over day 2.
You will get one xp at the end of each day. Will that help you in time?

Problem is, this timezone also appears to mean i get severely limited PS coverage. I still dont know if he is allowing any of my scrambled last minute actions.

If you can tell me where you end up locationwise, thatd be good."

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

Lock:
"Yes, it's sanity. It's a hex that hits the entire location. Just a heads up so you don't think it is an attack. If you want, you can move away move phase 1, and back move phase 2. I might just stick here for a while. I'm not interested in taking locations as a whole, but I wanted to try for this one tonight. Are you going for it? I don't want to waste pips battling over it. I'll move to rickety shack or something, but I need the Pixie dusts.

Jalan is also not my faction, so if he stays, let's kill him. Or I could wager him to make him use stuff, then we both attack him tonight?

Yes, done in night phase. All players at location, including me, lose sanity. I'm not much of a Hex user, but this is a self buff. Also, so you're not going for ownership of this location?

Ok. Check it. No longer doing the night action on this location. Safe to stay. I'm also not gonna go for this one, u can have it. I'm moving out phase 2. I attacked Jalan with u. Wager during day, attack during night. So with your day attack, my day wager, plus my night attack hits him no matter where he goes if I win my wager, and if you can hit him again tonight, we might be able to kill him, and both gain the XP from it.

If we successfully kill him, and gain XP and whatever else, we should try to team up and kill someone from time to time. If we repeat what we did today, it should make for a decent double attack. After today, send me telegram if you find someone location and want to both hit them. Or say help if you need heal. I can't guarantee I can get there, but I'll try. I will expect you to do the same for me. This could be very helpful in long run. And worst case scenario is that later in game, we are on enemy factions, but it won't really change things then. We will just cancel alliance and do what we have to. I just say we wait until we have to. Also, if you find any of your faction, get them on board. I will keep my team off you for now, and that's a powerful ally to have. With this set up, there's not much room for back stabbing. We can just stop helping each other when we have to, or want to.

No hex from me, attacked Jalan by destroying an item instead. If I win my wager, it will let me attack him even if he moves. And yes, if you don't want to waste an attack on him tonight, then don't. I think the XP we gain if we kill him is worth the shot, though. We can add one to any of our dice permanently. So if you're low in luck or dodge, add one. XP gains might be very helpful in long run. Imagine if we can get like +5.

Hey! We can also vow to make each other judge if selected mayor. That's another XP gain."

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:20 AM, said:

Merrid:

"Sorry for taking so long to reply.

Alright. I have an ability which, if I target successfully, can tell me what used Temporary Alts do. I've only been successful once, but I think it's definitely of use to you. All those who are standing at the same location as the Longhorn when it's killed, no matter which faction they belong to, are granted 1 pip of health. Now, a Longhorn has been killed every day at Outlaw's Refuge, presumably by the Cattle Thief, and that location still hasn't been taken over, so odds are that they'll still be there for today, and that we'll see another Longhorn death there.


Do you have any other info you'd be willing to share about others? I might have other info to share as well."

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

And Barghy:

"
Hah, okay, that's fair enough. Betty's isn't possible for me to get to at Night though, I'm out at the Fleece right now, Gold powers some of my items so I'm re-loading today. I can make it to Mud Street for Night, or Betty's for the Day/Night after if that is any use to you?

Although didn't you say he was wrong on his other two counts, therefore not massively likely to be right on that one? I'll try asking what he thought of the lynch results, I may play at Loco and claim some ability that'll allow me to heal sanity, that ought to get his attention and have him thinking past me at the rest of the game.

Did he hint if he had any confirmation of Aces? As in genuine, undoubtable find results? A Find would narrow down who he could be a lot. Of course that does raise the issue of which team Meanas/Fanderay are on, has Meanas shed any light on this, given he is one of them?

I seem to be having a lot of luck talking to nut-jobs Which were you before you were insane?

And yeah I had figured you were insane, anyone who started at Mud Street is likely insane - seemed too good a place to start to me with the investment bonus so I stayed clear.

You got a plan for the rest of the game? As a thought to consider, hilst you can heal your own Sanity it doesn't bring you back to team. I know a way for you to return to team."

"Actually, you know what, fuck it. I'm the Card Shark. Jalan is hinting on thread why there have been no more RRs - it's because he knows how many summons he cast Day 1 and knows I was there too, therefore I am also insane and no longer part of anyones VCs. Incidentally, he didn't shift his ass from DDD that Night so he may still be there if you have a good shot.

You know your shoot out with Jalan? I wagered Jalan that Day under RR rules, nice choice of shoot out location - loser is forced to attack himself, using all the highest dice available - bullet, aim etc.

Cast is Scion of LaRua, didn't get any role abilities out of him and Denul is South, no further info.

Now I'm expecting this PM to be your own but claimed to be from someone else you know "

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

As I said, if you could avoid targeting Barghy, I told him I wasn't putting the hit out on him. As I said, great helpful convo and all

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

More Bargy:

"Once they're insane there are no limits beyond what they can summon per round. That makes it bad for everyone still sane, as I said on thread. If you fancy pooling information - I was on Fleece Springs on night 1 and lost one sanity. Denul claimed loss of 6 sanity on Mud Spring the same time and Cast claimed 3 first night and 2 second. I have since lost 2 sanity on DDD Night 2, nothing Night 3. There don't seem to be corresponding roles to investments so I'm thinking summoners are concentrating soley on summoning whereever they are and everyone else on investments or missing targets with wagers/attacks lots (like I've been doing) I have been wondering if summoned beasts can affect investments (al la my goat shit on thread, but in a positive way - how else to explain the +8, 8, 8, 8 on the Shack in a single night.

Do bear in mind any information you get from someone not yourself is subject to doubt and differing interpretations - look at Mud Street, I now have 3 different accounts of the Sanity loss on night 1 there."

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

More Bargy:

"
I'm more Wager orientated although I have a trick or two up my sleeve which may or may not be apparent from the OP."

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

Thanks Lio, I really do appreciate it. Sadly, based on the VCs I think there is no 4th member of our faction - University has to kill us and the LaRua, but unlike the other factions they also need to get Mud Street. With 18 players it'd be a 4 / 4 / 4 / 3 / 3 faction split. So I bet LaRua and us are the ones with only 3 members, and the University need to get Mud Street to balance the fact that they only need to kill 6 players instead of 7 or 8 like the other factions.


I've got a convo going with Bargy, too. He didn't claim Card Shark to me yet, but was hinting towards Aces. I'll tell him you put in a good word for him and that I'll leave him well enough alone if he does likewise. Obviously by the end of the game we'll have to turn on him at some point, as Aces must die for Cult to win (I don't think an investment victory is likely now), but we can leave him for last and/or hope someone else offs him instead of us. I do like his analyses on-thread and he's a more active player so seeing him live longer'd be fine by me.

I dunno if I believe that he's also insane, though.

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:19 AM, said:

What's the bit about ending up at the same location as Barghy? Did you talk him into healing you? I saw you did Constitution earlier, is that from taking a hit last night or just from your Insanity-self-attack?

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Okay, doing a deeper dive of your quoted convos:


Shin/NG - Not sure what to believe here. Kinda skeptical of the whole thing, for obvious reasons. The Pixie thing is probably just a lie to make you think he's Loco, which makes sense - getting other players to think you have tons of health and sanity is a good way to avoid NAs. The comms-that-blocks-other-comms thing he talks about - did that happen? Were you in other lover convos on the same day as with him? What about his supposed XP giving ability, did that ever come through for you? If he's really trying to sell you on his story so much that he sends you free XP, be sure to milk that for all its worth!

Lock - All seems pretty legit and jives with his CF. Agreed Jalan is not of his faction. Barg thinks Jalan is LaRua and I think so, too.

Merrid - sounds like the Hell Hunter if he's being honest

Bargy - already covered in post above. Skeptical of his reveal but he's playing nice either way. My instinct is that if he's offering you a deal he'll play you straight. If he was gonna cheat you he'd just have used Russian Roulette instead

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:41 AM, said:

And lastly for tonight you better not die! Cause once you CF the University and LaRua punks are going to be hard on my ass after having Friendship with you two days in a row!

I reckon it's worth it though!

[Grasp]

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:45 AM, said:

After Lio dies (whenver that ends up being, hopefully tonight), I'm going to use Lio's role PM to make another, better fake one for the Acquisition Agent, which I don't think is in the game at all. And then I'm going to use it to make friends with Shin the Loco, claiming Lio told me who he was and to trust him

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

You're right that I don't want to risk wanted status, so I'll move to Betty's for tonight to attack him. If he's on Betty's or mud street it'll hit.

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

You're right that I don't want to risk wanted status, so I'll move to Betty's for tonight to attack him. If he's on Betty's or mud street it'll hit.

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Well, because you are Mess, I will tell you I lied about the role sheet. I have another one that is a team mates, but I of course ain't giving that one away. So yeah, I am the iron worker. Planning to have Betty's Bar become public property end of today

Might want to watch out there too.

This post has been edited by Grasp: 11 September 2013 - 04:13 PM

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Hey Denul, thank you for picking up. Bit of an info dump for you, read carefully Mine in Blue, D'rek in black

Confirmed and suspected roles:

D'rek suspects role distribution is 4-Uni / 4-Aces / 4-South / 3-LaRua / 3-Cult
(Uni is the only faction that also has to claim Mud Street to win by elimination - suspect this is because LaRua and Cult have only 3 members each) <---this


Uni (4):
Denul (Azath) - Student
Barghast (Messremb) - Enginseer
Grasp (D'rek) - Tesla
-- Alchembiomist

Aces (4):
Meanas - Ultama claimed he found Meanas as Aces
Fanderay - D'rek suspects Aces
Cast (Brujah) - Card Shark - possibly INSANE-- (he was on Mud Street Day 1 so has suffered same losses as you there)
--
--

LaRua (3):
Ultama - Hexslinger - DEAD
Jalan - suspect Channeler. Confirmed LaRua from my find, stayed at DDD after Liosans shoot out with him for a night at least
--

South (4):
Lock - Amy LaBelle, the Cardslinger (hero) - DEAD -- suspect promoted to hero after Emur modkilled to rebalance the game for South
Emurlahn - DEAD - suspect South
--
--

Cult (3):
Bek Okhan - Service Conductor - DEAD
Liosan (Gust Hubb) - Iron Worker (Got the PM out of him, is attached, D'rek is going to work at faking an Acquisition Agent and go fishing with Nimander. I "sold you out" for the information, see nearer the end.) - claims INSANE, inclined to believe him - Grasp has him thinking she's Locomindhive so is on his ex-team, his opening of a convo with her inclines me to believe so he's trying to help out his ex-team.
Nimander Golit (Shin) - Locomindhive



Unknown:

Demelain
Hanas <-modkill imminent
Hentos Ilm
Merrid
Rashan



We are planning to do Finds on the unknowns, or make Friendships with them and hint at Alchem abilities (The Red Pill is a good one - it doesn't sound too Potion-y, just make a blue pill/red pill Matrix reference).

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Codes:

1. If Grasp quotes a post and uses an animal in her post, it indicates she has learned the quoted player's faction.

Elephant = LaRua
Gopher = Aces
Koala Bear = Corporate Cult
Pony = South
Duck(ling) = University

ie:
Grasp, on 03 September 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Jalan, on 03 September 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Blah blah blah this is a post

That's so dumb, you must be a my little pony fan!


^^this would be a code that Grasp found Jalan to be of the South faction.


2. Ditto for me but I'll mention a beverage:
Lager = LaRua
Ale = Aces
Beer = Corporate Cult
Whisky = South
Vodka = University



3. As always, capitalizing the first two letters of an alt name (ie: "FAnderay") seemingly by mistake indicates that you trust the player, but not necessarily that they are the Alchembiologist.

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Victory Conditions:

We need to kill LaRua and Cult, AND control Mud Street. What we are thinking is that we will focus on the killing part and you focus on the Mud Street investment part. You've got the 7/7/7/7 dice that are ideal for investing while we two have more specialized dice so can't invest so well. There's probably only Nimander, Liosan, Jalan and one other LaRua left that we need to kill, so try to push on Mud Street as soon as you can. But not at the expense of risking you dying of course!


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Various Infos:

1. Grasp gave Lio a fake role PM for herself as if she were the Locomindhive. Lio's now selling it to people. Hilarity ensues. A lot of people probably believe Grasp is the Loco. Our fake positing for this Telegram is:
a - you and Barg have an information-exchange deal from when you were Friends
b - Lio sells Barg my fake role PM
c - Barg sends it to you via Telegram
d - you reciprocate. We're not specifying the nature of the deal, it could be a hypothetical deal where Barg gives you info and you heal him at night, or some such. So if you don't want to spend a die sending back a Telegram, just say on-thread that you got 'it', 'it' was good and you will do a vague thing that you said you would. If you want to avoid a telegram etc back (that does after all build associations strongly for being team) then say something like "great thanks, location Tulips tonight?"/"ready and waiting for you" Tulips being code for a location of course. As an aside, Liosan thinks I'm genuine as the Card Shark and is selling that for info too - helps that I've already talked to the Shark and he hasn't, further details at end.

2. Grasp is camping on Mud Street with an Electric Fence, so moving off of Mud Street will cause 1 damage. Moving back does not.

3. We're trying to kill Lio tonight. Liosan is going to make Bettys a Public Location today, this may mess with the plans, we'll adapt as needed.

4. Feel free to try and run for Mayor or Judge. We also might do an Elect-Trick switch to you at some point if it's necessary. So keep your lynch choices as Liosan, Jalan or Nimander every day just in case! D'reks set on swapping for Mayor today, doesn't say on thread if the Mayor is swapped, just names whoever won as Mayor so should screw with Fanderay some.

I'm out of actions as of this thread so hoping an election comes off, will you be around for close of Day? I'm likely not going to be, if it needs it I'm going to get anthranthanthas to put his vote on the train too even though it'll make him a target, those XP will be dearly welcomed by my Bullets die. Plan for me at the moment is to start spawning Goats with Bullet Storm and have them go round nuking tiles, PS says I'll get a report of who was hit so it's a good combined find/hitter. Should have an on-thread signal for where'll be next, I'll comment on the weather. May be two posts in the same day so keep an eye out!

Fantastic(ly, etc) means a Wilderness, lovely a Public and usual a Private. Sun means lowest location number, rain second, cloudy third, overcast 4th (numbered as per OP) - so a "it's fantastically sunny out today, why am I stuck in an office" means DDD (loc 6), a "usual grey overcast moody sort of day" means Rickety Shack (loc 4)

This is what I sold you out to Liosan as:

Barghast, on 03 September 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

Actually, you know what, fuck it. I'm the Card Shark. Jalan is hinting on thread why there have been no more RRs - it's because he knows how many summons he cast Day 1 and knows I was there too, therefore I am also insane and no longer part of anyones VCs. Incidentally, he didn't shift his ass from DDD that Night so he may still be there if you have a good shot.

You know your shoot out with Jalan? I wagered Jalan that Day under RR rules, nice choice of shoot out location - loser is forced to attack himself, using all the highest dice available - bullet, aim etc.

Cast is Scion of LaRua, didn't get any role abilities out of him and Denul is South, no further info.

Now I'm expecting this PM to be your own but claimed to be from someone else you know

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 12:44 AM, said:

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

I am also confused by your read on Denul. Was that a find, conjecture or BS?

Possibly BS but I doubt it. Cast did a Find on him and quoted me PS's results, plus a bit more than he was intending to, hence me narrowing him down to a single roll. No editing of PMs is a nice rule, I've got about half a page of swearing off him

Cast sang like a nightingale, he effectively outed himself with his answers to the set of questions we came up with - he answered for every item and every ability. RR on a location the loser attacks themselves with highest dice. He said he'd be going to Mormons House where his insanity will damage LaRua till he dies - I suggested he get into the location convo there, hence his shoot out on thread that Fanderay refused.




D'reks fake Loco:



And her convo with Liosan after he re-opened talks with her:

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

Here's my convo with him so far today. I didn't want to seem too eager to accept the lies you're feeding him in case he gets suspicious of us colluding, so played it as being skeptical of you but liking you. Should work just about perfect.

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

Basically, as I said, I still support you. I haven't given you away to Bargy (who thinks you are CC but wants to gain your trust by faking being the Locohivemind), though I did give him my role sheet (labeled as someone else's) to get some really good intel. But first

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

So here's the scoop yo: Bargy is insane, I doubt NG is on our team, but who the 4th member is, still working on that. You basically could win it for us still and screw everyone over, which would give me joy. As soon as I get this damn baby outta my arms, I'll dump what I know on you, free o charge

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

Oh and one other thing, Barghy does seem like a good one. Help him if it doesn't conflict w/ CC, and esp if you knock off a LaRau or two.

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

Ok, starting the dump (aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh)

Quotes from NG:

"I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume there are abilities in the game that can intercept communications like this, so I'll start off by saying I am not going to reveal the name of our faction, just in case.

My ability allows me to connect specifically with other members of my faction only, with the caveat that the ability also permanently blocks any chance of other off-thread comms for my teammate afterwards. So...if you had comms with someone earlier, I apologize for breaking them. And if you were hoping to forge any comms, er...sorry about that too.

If you can think of a clever way to confirm we are of the same faction without actually spelling it out in this convo, I'm all ears. I would at least hope as the game progresses it will become obvious on thread that we are working for the same team in some manner. I certainly won't vote for any mayor appointing a judge out to get you. (unless of course we figure out that lynching is helpful in some way, if you have some ability or something).

This is Shinrei by the way, so I apologize in advance for having a lousy timezone.

I don't know who anyone else is, yet. You're the first person I've established contact with.

Let me go look at the numbers and get you my role.

I am the only 1/3/6 pixie dust.

I don't have anything that can help your sanity, although I can start giving you XP as of tomorrow.

I have been fucked by my timezone again. I was waiting to see whether I would be needed to vote on thread or not, before I made my final decision on actions. The lynch happened while I was asleep and I have, subsequently, taken no actions at all over day 2.
You will get one xp at the end of each day. Will that help you in time?

Problem is, this timezone also appears to mean i get severely limited PS coverage. I still dont know if he is allowing any of my scrambled last minute actions.

If you can tell me where you end up locationwise, thatd be good."

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:16 AM, said:

Lock:
"Yes, it's sanity. It's a hex that hits the entire location. Just a heads up so you don't think it is an attack. If you want, you can move away move phase 1, and back move phase 2. I might just stick here for a while. I'm not interested in taking locations as a whole, but I wanted to try for this one tonight. Are you going for it? I don't want to waste pips battling over it. I'll move to rickety shack or something, but I need the Pixie dusts.

Jalan is also not my faction, so if he stays, let's kill him. Or I could wager him to make him use stuff, then we both attack him tonight?

Yes, done in night phase. All players at location, including me, lose sanity. I'm not much of a Hex user, but this is a self buff. Also, so you're not going for ownership of this location?

Ok. Check it. No longer doing the night action on this location. Safe to stay. I'm also not gonna go for this one, u can have it. I'm moving out phase 2. I attacked Jalan with u. Wager during day, attack during night. So with your day attack, my day wager, plus my night attack hits him no matter where he goes if I win my wager, and if you can hit him again tonight, we might be able to kill him, and both gain the XP from it.

If we successfully kill him, and gain XP and whatever else, we should try to team up and kill someone from time to time. If we repeat what we did today, it should make for a decent double attack. After today, send me telegram if you find someone location and want to both hit them. Or say help if you need heal. I can't guarantee I can get there, but I'll try. I will expect you to do the same for me. This could be very helpful in long run. And worst case scenario is that later in game, we are on enemy factions, but it won't really change things then. We will just cancel alliance and do what we have to. I just say we wait until we have to. Also, if you find any of your faction, get them on board. I will keep my team off you for now, and that's a powerful ally to have. With this set up, there's not much room for back stabbing. We can just stop helping each other when we have to, or want to.

No hex from me, attacked Jalan by destroying an item instead. If I win my wager, it will let me attack him even if he moves. And yes, if you don't want to waste an attack on him tonight, then don't. I think the XP we gain if we kill him is worth the shot, though. We can add one to any of our dice permanently. So if you're low in luck or dodge, add one. XP gains might be very helpful in long run. Imagine if we can get like +5.

Hey! We can also vow to make each other judge if selected mayor. That's another XP gain."

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:20 AM, said:

Merrid:

"Sorry for taking so long to reply.

Alright. I have an ability which, if I target successfully, can tell me what used Temporary Alts do. I've only been successful once, but I think it's definitely of use to you. All those who are standing at the same location as the Longhorn when it's killed, no matter which faction they belong to, are granted 1 pip of health. Now, a Longhorn has been killed every day at Outlaw's Refuge, presumably by the Cattle Thief, and that location still hasn't been taken over, so odds are that they'll still be there for today, and that we'll see another Longhorn death there.


Do you have any other info you'd be willing to share about others? I might have other info to share as well."

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

As I said, if you could avoid targeting Barghy, I told him I wasn't putting the hit out on him. As I said, great helpful convo and all

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

More Bargy:

"
I'm more Wager orientated although I have a trick or two up my sleeve which may or may not be apparent from the OP."

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

Thanks Lio, I really do appreciate it. Sadly, based on the VCs I think there is no 4th member of our faction - University has to kill us and the LaRua, but unlike the other factions they also need to get Mud Street. With 18 players it'd be a 4 / 4 / 4 / 3 / 3 faction split. So I bet LaRua and us are the ones with only 3 members, and the University need to get Mud Street to balance the fact that they only need to kill 6 players instead of 7 or 8 like the other factions.


I've got a convo going with Bargy, too. He didn't claim Card Shark to me yet, but was hinting towards Aces. I'll tell him you put in a good word for him and that I'll leave him well enough alone if he does likewise. Obviously by the end of the game we'll have to turn on him at some point, as Aces must die for Cult to win (I don't think an investment victory is likely now), but we can leave him for last and/or hope someone else offs him instead of us. I do like his analyses on-thread and he's a more active player so seeing him live longer'd be fine by me.

I dunno if I believe that he's also insane, though.

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:19 AM, said:

What's the bit about ending up at the same location as Barghy? Did you talk him into healing you? I saw you did Constitution earlier, is that from taking a hit last night or just from your Insanity-self-attack?

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:37 AM, said:

Okay, doing a deeper dive of your quoted convos:


Shin/NG - Not sure what to believe here. Kinda skeptical of the whole thing, for obvious reasons. The Pixie thing is probably just a lie to make you think he's Loco, which makes sense - getting other players to think you have tons of health and sanity is a good way to avoid NAs. The comms-that-blocks-other-comms thing he talks about - did that happen? Were you in other lover convos on the same day as with him? What about his supposed XP giving ability, did that ever come through for you? If he's really trying to sell you on his story so much that he sends you free XP, be sure to milk that for all its worth!

Lock - All seems pretty legit and jives with his CF. Agreed Jalan is not of his faction. Barg thinks Jalan is LaRua and I think so, too.

Merrid - sounds like the Hell Hunter if he's being honest

Bargy - already covered in post above. Skeptical of his reveal but he's playing nice either way. My instinct is that if he's offering you a deal he'll play you straight. If he was gonna cheat you he'd just have used Russian Roulette instead

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:41 AM, said:

And lastly for tonight you better not die! Cause once you CF the University and LaRua punks are going to be hard on my ass after having Friendship with you two days in a row!

I reckon it's worth it though!

Hopefully I've not missed anything. There's an opening for you to do the reverse of what we're doing here to get messages back to one of us later in the game, might be worth considering.

Oh and I'm on holiday for a week from Saturday so my access is going to be crippled - there's not much mobile signal camping on Bodmin moor, I will try though. At the least I'll get actions in.

Just remember not to reply, this is a Telegram, not a convo!

[Grasp]

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Casts telegram:

Hi Barghast,

I may have an idea to gain sanity, it requires me winning a wager tomorrow. Would you move to betty's bar, or mudstreet tomorrow to play a wager with me? I will use knack before you decide and put it on a different location. Then we would only be playing the location wager which is unharmful to you. Could you message me back and let me know. Or just agree to it on thread. Tell me the location by saying jumping jack flash for bettys bar, or ghost for mud street.

Cast

Guess I'm staying here overnight. Of course I'm not going to lose the Wager...

I'm going to do a summons tomorrow Day, how is your Sanity looking?

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:56 AM, said:

You're right that I don't want to risk wanted status, so I'll move to Betty's for tonight to attack him. If he's on Betty's or mud street it'll hit.

Liosan, on 04 September 2013 - 01:08 AM, said:

Well, because you are Mess, I will tell you I lied about the role sheet. I have another one that is a team mates, but I of course ain't giving that one away. So yeah, I am the iron worker. Planning to have Betty's Bar become public property end of today

Might want to watch out there too.

Ah, I see now. Yeah, that could be bad... I'll see if I can get him to do something else.

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Telegram looks awesome, thanks Mess!

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ok, slight change of plans. I'm going to stay in Mud Street, and I have built my Taser so I can guard when I Zap. I think Lio is on Mud Street now, because I took two hits at Dawn, seems like one of them would be Lio being insane here. If I'm right, then he has to move to Betty's in the move phase and try to make it public at Night. I'll stay in Mud Street so he gets hit by my Electric Fence when he moves, and then I've got a Zap on him at night with a Clubs [5] - as long as he submits a Diamonds [4] or less for his Connected ability it'll resolve after my Zap and fail from me guarding him. I've also got a regular Attack on him to finish him off.

If I'm wrong and he makes Betty's public in the Day, then darn I'll go Wanted and I'll just have to deal with that tomorrow.

I've also got a Size Up find submitted for Demelain, so expect a code about his faction from me tomorrow.

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Cool, does look from the descriptions to be Day actions although it doesn't state it specifically. On the assumption I don't get XP for today (I dislike whatever Fanderay is wibbling on about) I'll be summoning; moving to Judge Wallaces in Move 2 ready - I've told C3Peon to heal me tonight so losing Health moving out wont be a problem. Going to cause me some temp alt carnage, even if it is for the Aces. We don't want their summoner given free reign all game after all.

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Cool, does look from the descriptions to be Day actions although it doesn't state it specifically. On the assumption I don't get XP for today (I dislike whatever Fanderay is wibbling on about) I'll be summoning; moving to Judge Wallaces in Move 2 ready - I've told C3Peon to heal me tonight so losing Health moving out wont be a problem. Going to cause me some temp alt carnage, even if it is for the Aces. We don't want their summoner given free reign all game after all.

Ok, that's good. If I get Wanted, maybe you can clear my Wanted status for me from there?

As long as Fanderay gets enough votes I should get secretly elected in his stead and you'll get Judge. Just act like everything was natural from your point of view tonight/tomorrow. I'm already casting some aspersions on Fanderay now so suspicion should all fall on him if he raises a fuss.

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Cool, does look from the descriptions to be Day actions although it doesn't state it specifically. On the assumption I don't get XP for today (I dislike whatever Fanderay is wibbling on about) I'll be summoning; moving to Judge Wallaces in Move 2 ready - I've told C3Peon to heal me tonight so losing Health moving out wont be a problem. Going to cause me some temp alt carnage, even if it is for the Aces. We don't want their summoner given free reign all game after all.

Ok, that's good. If I get Wanted, maybe you can clear my Wanted status for me from there?

As long as Fanderay gets enough votes I should get secretly elected in his stead and you'll get Judge. Just act like everything was natural from your point of view tonight/tomorrow. I'm already casting some aspersions on Fanderay now so suspicion should all fall on him if he raises a fuss.

Good point, I wonder if it is ranged or not. I'll query PS.

Will I be named as Judge? I've got an hour left before I head out so wont see close of Day, I have left instructions that if it gets to time-1 and Fanders is at l-1 for C3Peon to hammer. Fanderay is going to become very talkative tomorrow I think, must update my convo diagrams.

[Grasp]

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

Cool, does look from the descriptions to be Day actions although it doesn't state it specifically. On the assumption I don't get XP for today (I dislike whatever Fanderay is wibbling on about) I'll be summoning; moving to Judge Wallaces in Move 2 ready - I've told C3Peon to heal me tonight so losing Health moving out wont be a problem. Going to cause me some temp alt carnage, even if it is for the Aces. We don't want their summoner given free reign all game after all.

Ok, that's good. If I get Wanted, maybe you can clear my Wanted status for me from there?

As long as Fanderay gets enough votes I should get secretly elected in his stead and you'll get Judge. Just act like everything was natural from your point of view tonight/tomorrow. I'm already casting some aspersions on Fanderay now so suspicion should all fall on him if he raises a fuss.

Good point, I wonder if it is ranged or not. I'll query PS.

Will I be named as Judge? I've got an hour left before I head out so wont see close of Day, I have left instructions that if it gets to time-1 and Fanders is at l-1 for C3Peon to hammer. Fanderay is going to become very talkative tomorrow I think, must update my convo diagrams.

I think the Judge Wallace location ability will work as long as you are there, regardless of what player you pick. Lio's ability I'm sure can only be used in the location he is at. My Elect-Trick does depend on locations, too, but being in Mud Street and with my Extension Cord I can hit any location.

As long as Fanderay is elected Mayor, making me Mayor, and there's no unforeseen shenanigans you will be Judge.

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Ahh shit, just recalled I agreed to hang around in Mud Street to thrash Cast. Can you put provisional moves in? I.e. if I'm wanted move to Wilderness X? Any other place you need to state your specific location, Wilderness is just Wilderness. I'll be at Wallaces the Day after. Thoughts?

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

The Move and Night phases all resolve at once so you probably can't put provisionals in like that. You'd only have time to realize you were Wanted and act once that instant was over and it was Day.

It's fine, stay in Mud Street, I'm not too worried.

Barghast, on 04 September 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Catch you around

Grasp, on 04 September 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Aye you too. I'm so excited! I think we're going to win this one! It just feels so right!

Also, I'm working on my fake Acquisition Agent role sheet to use on Shin. It's making me smile too much

[Grasp]

Friendship with Nimander:

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 04:41 AM, said:

Hi Nimander!

I have a confession to make. I did a bad thing. A terrible thing. I thought it was right, but it turned out to be so wrong...

You see, I'm the Acquisition Agent. Lio told me you were the Locomindhive, and I believe him now, but I didn't before. My conversations with Lio were fraught and inconsistent. I outed to him that I was CC and he said he was the Iron Worker, gave me lots of details and told me about you, too. But that only came out after I revealed to him, and while at first I was willing to give him some benefit of the doubt his erratic-ness and some seeming incosistancies made me feel I was getting played. When he told me he was insane, I thought that he was just trying to cover up his own fake reveal.

So I killed him. And it turns out he wasn't lying at all. Sheesh.

Plus, I (inadvertently) lynched our service conductor earlier... so I'm pretty much entirely responsible for ruining our team this game. If only I were Khell...

I'm reaching out to you now because I figure if Lio was being honest about himself he was probably being honest about you. I'm at wit's end, so no point in being coy, either you are the Locomindhive and maybe we can find some way of at least avoiding last place, or else you're not and you'll probably lead me on a merry deceit, which will only be the nail in the coffin, but I've done too much harm to be paranoid and cautious now.

Nimander Golit, on 05 September 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

Good work!
I don't blame you about Liosan though, he was pretty far down on my list of potential faction members. The one thing I don't get is, how'd he know who I was? I haven't friended anyone this game. That could've been close, getting an insane ex-team member out there...

Where do we go from here then? I'm assuming that you are pretty combat oriented whereas I'm pretty doped up on support stuff for friendlies who launch attacks. I already know where you are because of your Wanted status, but if you can tell me what area you are planning on launching an attack, I can augment it. That's our only option for winning now that Judge's location is gone.

Nimander Golit, on 05 September 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

So, since we can no longer get a location based victory, who do you think are Aces? We need to start going after them, obviously.

BTW, is it you that has the ability to mess with judge choices? I don't necessarily believe Fanderay that he actually chose me (although that would've been cool), but there is definetly something going on since there appear to have been shennanigans both days we managed to get a lynch.

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 05 September 2013 - 06:02 AM, said:

Good work!
I don't blame you about Liosan though, he was pretty far down on my list of potential faction members. The one thing I don't get is, how'd he know who I was? I haven't friended anyone this game. That could've been close, getting an insane ex-team member out there...

Where do we go from here then? I'm assuming that you are pretty combat oriented whereas I'm pretty doped up on support stuff for friendlies who launch attacks. I already know where you are because of your Wanted status, but if you can tell me what area you are planning on launching an attack, I can augment it. That's our only option for winning now that Judge's location is gone.

Yeah, I'm pretty combat oriented, though I can do some location manipulation, too. I'm really not sure how Lio knew you were the Loco. Maybe he managed a find or something.

Given the dire straits, I might as well just give you my whole role sheet rather than try and re-type and explain all the abilities and items:




As you can see, the challenge of my role is managing my Bribes to create Cheat dice for all the items I have that require Cheat since I only start with 4. I opted on day 1 to go for several Bribes, meaning I couldn't get Dummy Corporation - didn't think at the time investment would be such a huge deal. I've got Red Tape, Damaged Goods and Insider Trading built currently. I've had two Figureheads that have died so far. Going for Black market next.

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 05 September 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

So, since we can no longer get a location based victory, who do you think are Aces? We need to start going after them, obviously.

BTW, is it you that has the ability to mess with judge choices? I don't necessarily believe Fanderay that he actually chose me (although that would've been cool), but there is definetly something going on since there appear to have been shennanigans both days we managed to get a lynch.

Meanas, and Cast are my current best guesses for Aces, but I don't know any of them for certain, just guesses. When I had a Friendship with Ultama he said he had done a find on Meanas and it came up Aces, but I'm taking that with a big grain of salt, ofc.

Given Meanas' frequent chats with Merrid, good chance Merrid might be Aces, too. I might try and Friendship him later on to suss out the veracity of that today.

I've heard from a couple sources that Demelain is South. I don't know that those sources aren't all leading back to one root source, but it's better than nothing. He's the next person I'm going to start trying to take out.

No idea about the lynch shenanigans. Seems to be two different things - one on day 2 making Lock un-Mayorable, and a different one on day 3 and/or day 4 changing the Mayor's judge choice, if at least one of Jalan and Fanderay was being honest. My lynch choices on day 3 were the same as who got lynched and I got an XP for it so it didn't seem to mess with me at all, just the Mayor's pick of me.

Do you have any way of finding player locations? That'd help me hunt down Demelain or others.

I guess you're still stuck in one location since we don't own anywhere, huh?

Nimander Golit, on 05 September 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Basically, yeah.

I don't have any location finders, except for Temp alts...and I'm not even sure what that's good for, unless you want to kill them for XP.

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 05 September 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Basically, yeah.

I don't have any location finders, except for Temp alts...and I'm not even sure what that's good for, unless you want to kill them for XP.

That could be marginally useful...

What else can you do?

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

And by the way, let me know if "the red pill" means anything you.

[Grasp]

Friendship with Rashan:

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Hi rashan! Are you having all the fun times here in the necromancer cowboy Matrix? Did you take The Red Pill like me?

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 03:19 PM, said:

I didn't need any pills. What's on your mind

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Not much. Think I've got you pegged as either the last LaRua or Aces. If Aces, congrats you're doing great! If you're LaRua, maybe we can find some mutual ground to work with.

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

what do you propose?

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Something like a non-aggression pact, I guess. I have no interest in finishing off the LaRua, as that will probably lead to a different faction winning. We can share some information if you like, too.

I don't know for sure, but I assume I'm the last CC. Obviously you'll turn on me at some point if you are LR, but I can maybe get you to focus on the South first.

If you're not LaRua... well I'm open to ideas.

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Oooo oooo and tell me if you're insane, I have a collection on-going!

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

I don't mind to leave you alone if you can provide me with accurate info - that you aren't giving everyone else

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Yup, that's np.

Actually, if you want to go all out with the information sharing, as long as we both promise not to share beyond this convo I don't mind exchanging role PMs or anything like that. At this point I figure I don't have much to lose.

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

not sure if I'm ready to get naked with you just yet, no offense



Who should I be paying attention to, if you want me to look at your enemies?

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

That depends, are you declaring yet what faction you are ???

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

no, but you can point me to a couple choices as far as Alts, Locations, & Alignments and I will act accordingly

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

Mmmm, I don't know... what if you're South and I help you find your teammates and then you gang up on me...?

That would be bad thing!

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 06:44 PM, said:

I have no interest in ganging up on you. Think of the harm you can do your enemies, if nothing else

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

You haven't really been active enough for me to trust you that well. You say you won't gruesomely murder me for my fairy dust, but how do I really know that if you can't even reciprocate a faction reveal?

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

That's unfortunate. I'm not telling you my faction so you can go sell it to the next person you make contact with *cough Merrid cough*

I don't know that you have told the truth about your faction, anyway. Give me something verifiable, and we might progress to a better footing.

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

Meh, it doesn't matter. You didn't react to my hidden faction reference so I know you aren't the fourth member of my faction (who probably either doesn't exist or was modkilled, anyways). Knowing that, there's not much usefulness you can be to me anyways.

The only difference is that if you can prove you're LaRua I'll leave you alone entirely because I don't care about killing LaRua. But I doubt you are willing to do that or have any way of proving it short of us exchanging role PMs.

Regardless, I will maintain secrecy. I'm not in the habit of selling or spreading information around, I'm more of a hoarder. The only reason I'm making so many friendship conversations is simply because if there is another member of my team alive with me I really want to find him/her, and I don't have much else to spend Hearts on anyways.

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 07:24 PM, said:

Was it the 'steal your fairy dust' part? Figured you were trying to see if I was a role that used it a lot or something. Sorry I wasn't of more assistance, I can understand wanting to find your unidentified teammates.

I'm still interested in some info in exchange for leaving you alone...?

[Grasp]

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 07:29 PM, said:

Leaving each other alone cancels itself out. So information given must be reciprocated. I've got suspected alignments of all players except 2, and about 8 of those are 90%-sure/confirmed. I also know a few roles, a few locations, some of what happened last night and some other stuff like where people have been losing sanity. Make me an offer.

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

I don't know what I know that you don't know. Let me look at notes and get back to you

Is there something you would like to know or cause to happen?

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

I want to confirm Fanderay and Meanas' alignment. I'm fairly confident of them, but a big basis for my knowledge of them comes from Ultama's finds, and I'm not sure how genuine he was.

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I think they are on the same team, I also know Meanas was trying to find out what you told Lio early on. He was pretty tight lipped and not around much, don't think I got my money's worth out of that one

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Meanas should just ask me!

Though it was more Lio telling me a lot! He said was about to die, and then he didn't. And then he friended other people and I worried he was telling everone the things I'd told him about me so I friended Barghast to cross-check!

Rashan, on 05 September 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

So am I to receive any further info from you?

Grasp, on 05 September 2013 - 10:46 PM, said:

In exchange for what? Saying meanas and fandersy are probably same team is nothing, that's practically on thread.

Like I said, make me an offer.

[Grasp]

Friendship with Merrid:

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

Merrid-kyan! This is probably not the best time but I'm going to try and type very accurately and Cast should be asleep the big meanie!!!

So the thing is that 1 Liosan was a terrible guy he gave me Fanderay's role PM and I thought he was awful for it so I killed him but then he was my teammate?! Why??!! He was insane so I guess that was why, very sad.

And 2 is that Meanas, Rashan and Cast are all the Aces and they're going to win from locations soon so I don't want Meanas to get XP because he'll win! I said I want to kill the insane people because I want to kill Cast who wasn't insane but now it seems he is really insane, because I want them not to invest and win!

I think you're the South Hellhunter right? so you don't need to kill me and we can be friends for now while we stop the Aces from winning ok?! I think Demelain or Denul might be the ranger on your team, and I would rather they be judge and we lynch an Aces than anything else!

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ok, I'm more coherent today than I was last night... yikes.

The above stuff is mostly true, but I've just been impersonating the LocoMindHive, not really he. I'll leave you in the dark as to my real role and faction for now, but suffice to say I think we are both against Meanas, Cast and Rashan.

I think you're the Hellhunter, but not 100% sure. I've got knowledge or good guesses of everyone now (I think), but the 3 modkills with no CF and 2 unused roles makes it hard to be certain.

Lastly, does "The Red Pill" mean anything to you?

Let me know if you want to see Fanderay's role PM sheet, btw

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

I'm beating around the bush a bit on thread, but I've been fairly certain for a while that Cast is the Card Shark. I really thought he was insane earlier, but now I think I might've been wrong, or else maybe he really did get un-insaned. But now he *has* to be insane, from that PS investment post.

I don't have any evidence/proof, but I think he's been the one manipulating the lynch because a lot of things line up that way. I'll have to go back and cross-check to see which, but one of the first or second unexpected election results we got was supposed to be a lynch on him. The Card Shark role fits really well with the notion of cheating at things, and it has 10 Cheat dice at the start, plus the role description heavily indicates that the role's weakness is combat, ie not lynches perhaps? I suspect his lynch-avoiding ability has a cost of cheat dice, so that he can't use it every day all game because let's face it that would be pretty overpowered! And just like Tapper said the card suits had certain 'aspects' to them (ie: Spades = harm/death) I would expect an election-rigging ability to be cheat-aspected.

His whole "I got no XP" thing today is weird, too. No one's said anything about not getting XP when they've claimed their Judge choice was changed, earlier. Some sort of deflection? I'm not sure what the point of it was if it is a deflection. In any case, now that there's been a few claims of Judge choices being changed I could see Cast simply picking Barghast as his Judge and claiming it was force-changed on him, acting like he's insane and couldn't have made another choice but himself.

As for Barghast, I'm not sure. I think he probably was in on it a little bit, but not sure if he knew the full extent of what Cast is/was doing, or even if Cast was for sure the election-rigger. I could see Cast telling Barg that he picked him as Judge "just in case" and not mentioning any knowledge of his own impending election rigging. OTOH, I could also see Barg knowing everything and them being tight as peas. Doesn't necessarily mean Barg is Aces, though.

Whenever you get proper online, I'd appreciate your thoughts!

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 06 September 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 06 September 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

 Barghast, on 06 September 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

 Path-Shaper, on 06 September 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

OK, here we go.

<b>Cast is elected Mayor.
Cast elects Barghast as Judge.
Barghast elects Fanderay as lynchee.
Fanderay is lynched. He was the Acquisition Agent of the Corporate Cult.
Hentos Ilm is modkilled by request.</b>

<font size="7">CAAAAAASSSTT!
</font><font size="2">
We need to talk. You sod.

[0]</font>

You utter utter, utter, utter &lt;message becomes garbled&gt;

[0]

But, on the plus side, unexpected XP.

[0]

^^misc food for thought:

The first two Barg replies seem a little fake/forced to me, but I'm not any good at judging those sort of things, so who knows. But then the 3rd bit of Barg noting the XP... I wonder if Cast was trying/planning to link back to that with his "I got no XP" to pin it all on Barg if someone pushed accusations of Cast being the election-rigger?

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 04:53 PM, said:

Now the big question then becomes if Cast is the election-rigger, can we lynch him? I'm sticking to the belief that either (or both):

a - he used up his cheat dice and can't do an election-rig again, hence not doing it yesterday but making it seem like it did

or

b - him being insane means he can't avoid picking himself as judge and lynching himself, even with his ability


he did seem to be trying when he was online today to avoid getting elected or lynched as much as possible. If he could still get out of it I'd expect him to be less panicky.

OTOH I haven't gone public with this because just in case he does swing an election I don't want him to target me for accusing him

Merrid, on 10 September 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

Hey Grasp! I'm really sorry about today, couldn't be helped. I'm back home finally and can now write to you (just let me have dinner first!).


Are you certain about Meanas, Cast, and Rashan being Aces, or is that just guesswork?


I think it's fairly apparent that Cast is the Card Shark, and I reckon Barghast is an Aces player too - I was thinking possibly Cattle Thief with his talk of knowing where to find summoned alts (i.e. he could be talking about his own and disguising it). But then Bargh and Meanas being at odds is weird, unless they don't now each other or you're wrong. Or it's an elaborate ploy.


Now for the reason I'm voting Meanas: It's partly still my preferred choice anyway over Bargh or Cast because of the XP thing and paranoia over Cast messing with another lynch attempt (if ndeed it's him doing it, seems likely to me), but mostly because I'm being made to. It's either that or lose my Dodge dice. And Meanas knows where I am so can likely hurt me in the night.


More coherent thoughts after i eat hopefully.

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Is the meanas knowing where you are definitely related to the being forced to vote for him?

That's pretty bad, and I'd expect him to attack you anyways even if you don't lose your dodge die.

Barg as an Ace idea makes a lot of sense. Maybe they were working together well, but with cast insane barg doesn't feel he can trust him anymore and wants to off him? Heh, almost makes me want to keep cast alive to maybe get some dirt on barghast from him

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

Re the rash-cast-meanad trio, I'm very sure of rash and cast, but not as much as meanas. Ultama claimed he could Size Up and found meanas as aces, and there's a bit of other info that supported that claim, but it's not certain.

If meanas is using that ability that makes you vote him and gives you his location, that sounds most like maybe the enginseer (tracking robot?), the bank robber or the last larua role, based on the OP descriptions.

Merrid, on 10 September 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

Grasp, on 10 September 2013 - 10:04 PM, said:

Is the meanas knowing where you are definitely related to the being forced to vote for him?

That's pretty bad, and I'd expect him to attack you anyways even if you don't lose your dodge die.

Barg as an Ace idea makes a lot of sense. Maybe they were working together well, but with cast insane barg doesn't feel he can trust him anymore and wants to off him? Heh, almost makes me want to keep cast alive to maybe get some dirt on barghast from him

I have no idea if it's related. It's the first time it's happened - though Meanas has known where I am practically all game as far as I can tell. So it's either not him or he's been using it on other people. I'm pretty confident that he won't attack me so long as I remain useful to him and he feels un-threatened by me. Obviously, I'm wishing that someone would come along and kill him


I know a bit more about Barghast from my convo with Liosan. Lio was having a convo with Bargh at the same time, and he relayed to me that Bargh had told him that he could find out how much sanity was lost at particular locations by players. I'm not sure how that fits into a possible Aces role - doesn't sound like Bank Robber or Gunslinger really. Possibly Cattle Thief.

And yes, that's what I'm thinking re Bargh and Cast. That they were working together but that now Barghast is opportunistically using lynching Cast to distance himself from accusations of being part of the Aces faction.

Bargh has come out on thread as against Aces and Uni. He also apparently hates summoners. Well, then, what does that leave him as? Not Uni, not Aces, not La Rua, not South. So what? The Locomindhive? Hardly. He's a slippery git all right

Merrid, on 10 September 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Just looking back at my convo with Liosan, and Barghast revealed to him that he (Barghast), Denul, and Cast had all lost Sanity points, but he wouldn't say how many points Cast had lost. Why hide that bit? Incidentally, Bargh (at that point) had lost 3 Sanity points, if he was telling the truth anyway.

Grasp, on 11 September 2013 - 01:55 AM, said:

Cattle thief sounds most likely IMO too - maybe he just puts cattle in every location and finds out when they lose sanity. But who really knows.

So maybe the best way to go is to lynch cast now, and assuming he comes up as card shark like we think, I'll put all the election rigging and barghast suspicions on thread and move to lynch barghast next. Obviously it won't have barg's support, and maybe not meanas, so we'll need all the low posters' support for it to go through. I'll post it all as early as I can so the low posters will hopefully all join in the small bits of time they are online.

Are you okay with being mayor for that? Either I can go judge or maybe I should stay out of the appointments entirely and go with someone like Denul as judge.

Grasp, on 11 September 2013 - 02:50 AM, said:

Well, that's that. Let me know on thread if you're ok with being mayor versus bargy tomorrow. Just be like "yes to that thing" in thread.

Byeeeeee! *hugs*

[Grasp]

and that's it for me! Feel free to use this thread for other PM dumps.

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Path-Shaper, on 19 August 2013 - 01:53 PM, said: