[NefaraisBredd]

theocean, on 31 October 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

have we really ever seen anyone try to take a stand against edgewalker?? Verbally or physically? I cant recall anyone really giving him any backt alk.

I have noticed that as well. Nobody talks smack to Edgewalker. Shadowthrone lives to mess with pretty much everyone but not ole Edgewalker. Cotillion is hesistant around him...if he's not an I'mass, what is he? I still firmly believe that we will find out who Edgewalker is during the Karkanas Trilogy. We (the readers) have been teased by very not-too-subtle hints that Edgewalker is an important player who knows 'the game'better than SW&COT and he knows (and has access to) all of KE /Shadow's aspects. True, we don't see him in the Edur realms but he can remain unseen if he chooses.

Maybe Edgewalker is actually (some of this is for shits&giggles):

1. Scabby Bloodeye(yes, I know he's dead, I just like saying 'scabby Bloodeye')
2. Grizzn Farl (he is also known for his lack of action)
3. Father Light (i really like this theory-somebody posted it earlier)
4. Gripp
5. Hust Forgemaster
6. Whatshisname from the monastery(The Shake)
7. Orfantal' older sister's drunk-o, war hero lover(can't remember his name.either)

[theocean]

NefaraisBredd, on 01 November 2013 - 07:49 AM, said:

theocean, on 31 October 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

have we really ever seen anyone try to take a stand against edgewalker?? Verbally or physically? I cant recall anyone really giving him any backt alk.

I have noticed that as well. Nobody talks smack to Edgewalker. Shadowthrone lives to mess with pretty much everyone but not ole Edgewalker. Cotillion is hesistant around him...if he's not an I'mass, what is he? I still firmly believe that we will find out who Edgewalker is during the Karkanas Trilogy. We (the readers) have been teased by very not-too-subtle hints that Edgewalker is an important player who knows 'the game'better than SW&COT and he knows (and has access to) all of KE /Shadow's aspects. True, we don't see him in the Edur realms but he can remain unseen if he chooses.

Maybe Edgewalker is actually (some of this is for shits&giggles):

1. Scabby Bloodeye(yes, I know he's dead, I just like saying 'scabby Bloodeye')
2. Grizzn Farl (he is also known for his lack of action)
3. Father Light (i really like this theory-somebody posted it earlier)
4. Gripp
5. Hust Forgemaster
6. Whatshisname from the monastery(The Shake)
7. Orfantal' older sister's drunk-o, war hero lover(can't remember his name.either)

I really love trying to gauge the powers of certain people throughout the series... and hes a guy never challenged by anyone.

[king in chains]

it is quite likely imho that he is a ruined version of either urusander or arathan, my reasoning is that like those two he has a conscience

[NefaraisBredd]

king in chains, on 02 November 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

it is quite likely imho that he is a ruined version of either urusander or arathan, my reasoning is that like those two he has a conscience

Exactly! And both are reluctant to fight/wage war.

[king in chains]

NefaraisBredd, on 03 November 2013 - 05:23 AM, said:

king in chains, on 02 November 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

it is quite likely imho that he is a ruined version of either urusander or arathan, my reasoning is that like those two he has a conscience

Exactly! And both are reluctant to fight/wage war.

also both are martially proficient

[Kanese S's]

Either Arathan or Urusander seem promising. Arathan is one of the most central characters of FoD, so his not being mentioned (at least by name... maybe... depending on various other Arathan theories) in the Book of the Fallen to me indicates that he either dies some time in the Kharkanas Trilogy or eventually takes on a new identity.

Same with Urusander, as well. Especially given that while there are references to Father Light in the Book of the Fallen, the way FL is talked about and the way MD is talked about are very different. While MD seems to be a figure that's still very important to the Andii, Liosan worship seems to focus more on Osric. This indicates to me that Urusander/FL is either dead or has assumed a new identity.

[NefaraisBredd]

Ok, don't quote me on this buuuut, I do seem.to recall several references to the fact that FL is kinda like Burn or Krul (bad comparisons, but humour me pls). FL is not dead, rather, he is 'sleeping' and/or he's taking a loooooong mental health break. Heh. Deadhouse Gates comes to.mind (L'oric)

[jfllemelin]

Ok. Edgewalker is definitly hardcore. But not sure he would intimidate any of the Sons of Darkness... And Ganoes + Quick Ben would probably take him on.... Anyway, i'd be suprised if dear ol' Edge was anything other than Azathanai.

[jfllemelin]

Ok. Edgewalker is definitly hardcore. But not sure he would intimidate any of the Sons of Darkness... And Ganoes + Quick Ben would probably take him on.... Anyway, i'd be suprised if dear ol' Edge was anything other than Azathanai.

[Felisin Fatter]

Maybe he is a more ancient kind of being, a primal god (no clue if those qualify as azathanai or not, that's a whole other discussion). Het represents all the 'shores', all the edges and the constant war that goes on there. The edge of sea and land, forest and desert, light and darkness (hence shadow), choas and order, etc. These are places where there will always be war, always blood, always worshipers of some kind. Making him one of the most powerful beings, but highly unlikely to pick a side.

He's always been there, and always will.

[benelori]

Hey hey, long time no see guys...

I'm reading Crippled God again, and I stumbled onto this convo, and last time I read it, I didn't pay much attention to it...here goes

Quote

'Since we are about to die, Silchas, will you tell me what happened to the Throne of Shadow?'


Silchas Ruin smiled and shook his head. 'Perhaps, if the throne so desires, it will one day tell you
itself.'


'Thrones cannot speak.'


'That is true, and it's just as well, don't you think?'

And it's weird, somehow I don't believe Silchas was just making fun of Tulas, like the usual bickering they have... I suspect the power of the throne, or at least most of it, might actually be transferred to Edgewalker, or maybe it was in Edgewalker to begin with...is it possible that Edgewalker is the Throne? o.O ...I mean he did say he was an elemental force, similar to how dragons are, and yet he clearly isn't a dragon....any thoughts?

My idea is, that in the way dragons are aspected and are the chaotic sources of the warrens, perhaps Edgewalker is, or was a being aspected to Shadow

This post has been edited by benelori: 01 February 2014 - 09:25 AM

[Egwene]

I remember reading that exchange and thinking that it sounded loaded with innuendo. Although, my thought was that Silchas was referring to Ammanas and his irritating ways. Hence the 'just as well' comment.

[NefaraisBredd]

I like the idea that Edge is an older, more primal force. Im pretty sure FL is the 'wind god' who is released in RotCG by Kyle & company, so that one is ruled out in my opinion. Arathan may be Edge-Shadow was sundered when he was alive as far as we know and he is content with inaction as we see in FoD. It would be odd for his sisters to receive so much attention in the series, yet none for him. I think that I will re-read to see if they have any interactions with Edgewalker. Also, isn't it a bit odd that Edge and the Tiste never seem.to have interacted with each other? Feel free to tell me otherwise, I could easily be wrong about that . He did like Gothos- and Kellanved reminds me of a Jaghut-which may be why Edge tolerates SW&COT....Arathan is the most likely candidate after all. Oh yeah, FL also shows up to help out L'oric if I'm not mistaken.

This post has been edited by NefaraisBredd: 05 February 2014 - 04:45 PM

[Kanese S's]

That's Osserc, not Father Light.

[Tiste Simeon]

Re: Kruppe my theory is he must be near ascendant level, aspected to acquisition. He gathers stuff - money, food and indeed, information. A lot of it seems almost accidental acquisition too, there was a great scene in TTH where he eats an eel & has no idea how he got it. This is why he is such a great spy thief & intelligence master. He also seems to be very good at the subtle magical control which is why I think he must be near ascendant power (high mage at the very least!)

[NefaraisBredd]

Tiste Brent Not Abyss Weeks Simeon, on 05 February 2014 - 12:15 AM, said:

Re: Kruppe my theory is he must be near ascendant level, aspected to acquisition. He gathers stuff - money, food and indeed, information. A lot of it seems almost accidental acquisition too, there was a great scene in TTH where he eats an eel & has no idea how he got it. This is why he is such a great spy thief & intelligence master. He also seems to be very good at the subtle magical control which is why I think he must be near ascendant power (high mage at the very least!)

I hear ya-when I think of Kruppe, I think of the Rat Catchers Guild in Letheras. I also think of Iskaral Pust (I love that 'joust' scene of theirs). That Kruppe has magical abilities is beyond question. He is also prolly the smartest person in Wu.The greatest trick that the Devil ever performed was that nobody knew that he even existed.- Usual Suspects. Kruppe is Kaiser Soze, lol. He's David Copperfield, 'cept he actually is a mage. Ascendant? Possibly. I think him being the pawn of Krul is yet another distraction from who he really is. He knows the cabal and is the Circle Breaker, meaning he has prolly broken the circle before. Mayhap he is an Azathanai in human form. We never meet any Azath who are human aspected.....? He certainly is full of mysteries.

[Mekeritrig]

NefaraisBredd, on 29 August 2013 - 10:54 PM, said:

I guess i need to be more specific in my posts-I am aware that Kruppe wasn't the circle breaker as such, yet, hé was definitely the mastermind behind the while enterprise. We all know hé is the Tesla of Wu, however, I suspect there is something more to him than his genius and Kruls' help. I am not suggesting that hé is aspected by Krul, I just think that there is more than charisma at work when it comes to Kruppe. For example, why do people always forget important things that they want to speak to Kruppe about ? How is it that hé can see through Any glamour/spells ? How does hé defeat the High Preist of Shadow(Iskaral is incredibly powerful, dont be fooled by appearances)? Where did hé get his (awesome) all-powerful mule? (i was in-stitches, i was laughing so hard) Again, how does hé know almost everything about everyone (and everything)? It aint just cause hé is the Eel. When Derudan and the cabal are shitting their pants, hé calmly strolls about ! (cause hé.knows he's got two aces up his sleeve (i couldn't resist à Scorch & Leff reference . )

Edgewalker is à mystery. Although he appears to be 'inactive' due to his lack of action, i've always considéréd the quiet ones (who dont do or say much) the most dangerous because they have the least to prove. Heck, if he can give Temper the 'willies' then he is prolly as tough as he looks. Many times we see Edgewalker conversing with powerful beings and they all seem to be cowed by him or at least they recognize that hé is à former badass who prolly shouldn't be.messed with. Cotillion seems to be one.of the few who is daring enough to push Edgewalker and even manages to surprise him. Think about it, Shadow may he broken but it is still immense. Edgewalker shows up everywhere (eg: Blood&Bone) cause he is the guardian of Shadow. The hounds don't bother him and Shadowthrone is vexed with him yet he won't move against him. If I remember correctly, NOBODY crosses Shadowthrone (excepting Quick Ben and he is CraZy) I can't get away.from the .feeling that Edgewalker is Arathan, or a Tiste.

My last speculation had me puzzled but I'm sure ill find out more in the second book of the Tiste series. I am referring to Arathans' momma-who is.she? We.get some hints in FoD but not much. We can assume MD don't like her or wouldnt like her. I.think I recall mention of Draconian blood in Arathan but I could be confusing him with Nimander. Grizzn knows her/of her. What do you think? Queen of Dreams? Ardata? Burn? I'm gonna read FoD again and try to add some.qutes to this thread.

Regarding Kruppe: I don't think he's all that much more than he seems; he isn't aspected or anything. His is the most singular mortal mind in all of Wu; yes, Tehol and Quick Ben are close, but Kruppe is the smartest. With his exceptional intelligence, he accrues power, much like anyone else on the path to ascendency. I think it's this power and the exceptional mind behind the confidence that enables him to defy Brood's hammer. Same with Baruk's wards. Does he do any significant non-Mockra sorcery?

This post has been edited by Mekeritrig: 04 April 2014 - 01:25 AM

[NefaraisBredd]

I have said much about him that I have forgotten. Kruppe seems more than a master of one warren AND more than just an incredibly lucky genius. And he does more than just defy Broods' hammer-he denies Brood himself. Remember, Brood is Azathanai and equal footing with Draconus & the other Azathanai. He gave Rake the 'Willie's' and he kept Kallor in check. So, more than illusion magics saved Kruppe, possibly the bargain with Krul but methinks he managed just fine on his own. Then we have Pust-he might be 'raving mad' but he is incredibly powerful when pissed off. He destroys all who come before him if he cannot befuddle them first. And he has Scorch & Leff, who are the biggest, baddest guys you never heard of who scare off Hounds and demon-assassins alike-not to mention kill immortal sorcerers. Methinks Kruppe may be the High King or Sword of Mokra or something to that effect.

[NefaraisBredd]

Also, Kruppe might be like Ho or Ryllandaras-a divers or whatnot.
*ok, so I am reading OST again and I am seeing old Kruppe being referred to as 'oh no, not 'him' again!' every time the tyrants' henchmen bemoan the 'one who foiled their plans before.' Kruppe must be ANCIENT, like a bad case of herpes, u may not notice him, but he is always there! Heh. Oh ya, I still believe firmly that Scorch & Leff are creations of Varandas.

-All your bases belong to Scorch & Leff-mwuhahahahahaha!

This post has been edited by NefaraisBredd: 23 May 2014 - 06:49 AM

[Salt-Man Z]

I'm fairly certain that Edgewalker is an Elder God, or at least "just" an Azathanai, given his mentions in DoD.

First is when Errastas, Sechul Lath, and Kilmandaros are discussing Errastas' summons of the other Elders:

DoD Chapter 11 said:

"Draconus is lost within Dragnipur. Nightchill's soul is scattered to the winds. Grizzin Farl vanished millenia ago. And Edgewalker might well deny any compulsion out of sheer obstinacy or, possibly, a righteous claim to disassociation."

They go on to discuss Olar Ethil, K'rul, and Ardata. So Edgewalker is lumped in with a bunch of other Elder Gods/Azathanai, and can be compelled (or at least sense a summons) by the Master of the Holds. (This also seems to poke a hole in any Edgewalker=Grizzin Farl theories.)

There's also this interesting quote, Sechul Lath's thoughts as the Elder Gods are gathering:

DoD Chapter 16 said:

Olar Ethil, we cannot trust you. Errastas should never have invited you here. You are worse than K'rul. More of a threat to us than Draconus, or Edgewalker.

Again, all Elder God/Azathanai references...