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Mafia 105: Ghoul Gulch - Game Thread Yes, the game thread.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:27 PM

View PostJalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'm back now and catching up. Haven't read the full thread yet, but I saw the start of day update. One thing to note is that the investment numbers could be indicative of what roles are in the game - so for example if the LaRua mormon house investment was only done by one player, it could only have been the Channeler since no one else has the 5-6-5-5 dice stats in the OP. same for the Aces who have 3 different investments so probably 3 different roles doing those 3 investments. The corporates same idea, though looks like only 2 players investments - obviously in every case there could be more players who didn't invest. In the university case it's harder to tell since there's only the one invested location, could be one player doing 5-5-5-5 or two players combining but I'd lean towards it being just one.

The LaRua getting mormom house so fast though makes me suspicious of the players who had lover comms yesterday - maybe two of them discovered they were both LaRua and worked together to get the mormon house investment so they would have longer off-thread comms (OP doesn't say the mormon house off-thread comms expires so I'm assuming it lasts all game).

As I read up I'm going to keep an eye on those players and see if any of them didn't vote, which would indicate they were already on the mormon house.

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I hadn't even thought about the 'you can't vote while on Mormon House' tile ability when I was looking at that stuff, good catch! Wasn't there someone who was openly unwilling to vote on thread? Maybe we found a reason?

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There was Bek Okhan, who quickly put himself down to a [0] die and AFAIKSF never made another die his 'active die' so he couldn't vote. Wonder if he was on mormon house and that was just so he'd have an excuse not to vote if it got to L-1.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:32 PM

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

View PostJalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'm back now and catching up. Haven't read the full thread yet, but I saw the start of day update. One thing to note is that the investment numbers could be indicative of what roles are in the game - so for example if the LaRua mormon house investment was only done by one player, it could only have been the Channeler since no one else has the 5-6-5-5 dice stats in the OP. same for the Aces who have 3 different investments so probably 3 different roles doing those 3 investments. The corporates same idea, though looks like only 2 players investments - obviously in every case there could be more players who didn't invest. In the university case it's harder to tell since there's only the one invested location, could be one player doing 5-5-5-5 or two players combining but I'd lean towards it being just one.

The LaRua getting mormom house so fast though makes me suspicious of the players who had lover comms yesterday - maybe two of them discovered they were both LaRua and worked together to get the mormon house investment so they would have longer off-thread comms (OP doesn't say the mormon house off-thread comms expires so I'm assuming it lasts all game).

As I read up I'm going to keep an eye on those players and see if any of them didn't vote, which would indicate they were already on the mormon house.

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I hadn't even thought about the 'you can't vote while on Mormon House' tile ability when I was looking at that stuff, good catch! Wasn't there someone who was openly unwilling to vote on thread? Maybe we found a reason?

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There was Bek Okhan, who quickly put himself down to a [0] die and AFAIKSF never made another die his 'active die' so he couldn't vote. Wonder if he was on mormon house and that was just so he'd have an excuse not to vote if it got to L-1.



That's what I was thinking. That being said, we can't depend on that as a good 'case' right now, given that we were nowhere near an election yesterday. I mean, I suppose it's as good as anything we have right now. I'm still a little iffy about Liosan, Merrid and Fanderay. I feel like all three acted pretty suspiciously yesterday.

I think we should get started on trying to choose a mayor sooner rather than later, too. Yesterday we left it until the 2nd half of the Day, and that really didn't work.

If I'm elected Mayor, I'll be making anyone who says they'll lynch Liosan, Fanderay or Merrid (with Liosan being my favourite of the three) the judge.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:39 PM

This mechanic of any failed lynches carrying over to the next day is pretty scary. As Denul suggests

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View PostDenul, on 22 August 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

So in essence, if we refused to vote for mayor at any point, the game could be decided by only NA's or other actions, with no power given to the mayor/judge, but only if we never elect one, because if we wait for multiple days, and then elect a mayor, the judge can fuck us all up.

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we could just not elect all game to stop it being an issue, but I tend to think that if we do that someone is going to end up pulling a special 'I get +3 votes' ability out of their ass later in the game and get 10 lynches to win the game.

The alternative is that I think this is good motivation to try and elect successfully every day to keep any given day's election from having more than one lynch.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:42 PM

Noting here that Demelain also didn't vote and with the same excuse as Bek Okhan:

View PostDemelain, on 23 August 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

My main reason for not voting today was the fact that I did not have enough bullets to change my vote once it was on somebody.

I was waiting for someone to get 7-8 votes.

Also, do we need to show bullets at night PS?



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:49 PM

View PostBarghast, on 22 August 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

View PostFanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:06 PM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Lynchee - Mayor to vote for
Bek Okhan - Denul
Denul - Fanderay / Jalan / Rashan
Liosan - Meanas
<unspecified low-poster 1> - Cast
<unspecified alt> - Merrid / Bek Okhan


There are incomplete chains to Hentos Ilm, Merrid and <unspecified low-poster 2> if you can find someone with, respectively, Meanas, Denul and Ultama as Judge.

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Knew I missed out one, in blue.

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I think I need clarification on how to read this list of yours? The names on the left look like you have them listed as who would be lynched by those to the right? But if that is the case then that doesn't make any sense. Or did you intend to list the players who would be willing to vote for those on the right for mayor? That seems more accurate but then why did you list those on the left as Lynchee?

Very confusing

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right to left. Yay not a bullet edit!!!!



I thought it quite clear but added the headings to make it clearer. If you want the name on the left lynched, vote for the name on the right. The great Merrid-for-Judge-gasm that people are having made the other way round look unsightly.

Trying again:


I want Bek Okhan dead, therefore I should vote for Denul as Mayor

I want Denul dead, therefore I should vote for Fanderay, Jalan or Rashan as Mayor

I want Liosan dead, therefore I should vote for Meanas as Mayor

I want <unspecified low-poster 1> dead, therefore I should vote for Cast as Mayor

I want <unspecified alt>
dead, therefore I should vote for Merrid or Bek Okhan as Mayor


I want Hentos Ilm, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Meanas as their Judge

I want Merrid, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Denul as their Judge

I want <unspecified low=poster-2>, dead, therefore I need to find someone to elect as Mayor who has Ultama as their Judge


I want Lock as Judge in the vague hope that they have put in a choice for Lynchee even though they have only made 2 posts this game, therefore I should vote Demelain as Mayor


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View PostBarghast, on 22 August 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

View PostFanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 22 August 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

View PostBek Okhan, on 22 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

I picked Liosan, I already said that.

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I've not included the Judges. If Meanas gets Mayor, you get Judge, Liosan gets lynched. So, as shown, Liosan - Meanas. I wasn't putting it in for a complete breakdown of the chains but to clarify who to vote for based on who you want lynched.

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Well if that is the explaination then your list has errors in it as I didn't specify who I would lynch. In fact I flat out told Denul I wasn't choosing him for a lynch so the fact that you have me....

Ugh. Finally saw where I misread your list. Let's just say your list is confusing and leave it at that. Also it definately doesn't help that I felt that the logical order would have been the other way around and including the judge into the equation would have definately helped. The way you have it listed is giving the mayor the blame for targeting the lynch target when that isn't the case.


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To be clearer, I don't give a **** about Judges. I put this together for LYNCHING. You vote for a Mayor, therefore Mayor is what you pick from the list for your desired lynch target. Judges are a middle step that I removed for clarity as to who to vote for for your desired result. I'm not looking at who gets XP, if you want to do that, do it yourself.

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View PostBarghast, on 23 August 2013 - 12:28 AM, said:

View PostFanderay, on 22 August 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

Did you not read my whole post? I figured out what you were doing. I just think it was confusing as hell, and assigned undo heat on whoever was elected mayor as the party responsible for wanting to lynch a particular player which isn't the case in a number of the senarios as the Judge was selected before the Judge revealed who they wanted to lynch. Which going forward isn't the best way to go about it but that is another issue entirly.

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If people can't realise that there is an intermediary step between Mayor and Lynch then they haven't been reading thread. At all.

IDGAF about Mayors getting heat, they know the price when they put themselves forward for Mayorship. As you have done. They might betray you. You might betray us. We can't prove it either way. Heat is a given. Claiming you want to establish your credentials is bullsh...

Will I ever make Mayor? Unlikely. If someone makes me a known Judge, am I telling the whole thread who I have down for lynching? Am I hell, you'll find out soon enough and why give the lynchee time for desperate actions they wouldn't have considered if they thought they would survive another day, like burning through every die in their hand1. This is Mafia, not some cozy dining room gaming session with your buddies. If someone makes me an unknown Judge, will I own up? Only if I need to. Mayor can lie about picking me and I can learn from that. Mafia. It's a game of what? Information. Am I going to willingly tell you something that may give you an advantage over me? Look at my thread die, [1] - what can you deduce about me from that? Nothing. I could be anyone, from a lowly Service Conductor [3] to a mighty Teslamancer [10] or anything in between. Is it the same die I started with? You can't tell. I was honestly surprised when people came on with non [1] dice showing.

This is simple stuff that shouldn't need to be spelt out on thread.

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1This is, incidentally, another reason I hope this Day dies without a Mayor, given the current leader has a clear Lynch progression to Denul.

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re Barghast's systemizing, I like having the system built up like that it will help us elect more efficiently instead of splitting votes between people who suggest they will do the same thing - and since votes cost bullets we want to be efficient about electing

However I disagree with the judges being not worth considering as I think a corrupt judge scenario is more likely than a corrupt mayor scenario. In the corrupt mayor scenario there is both the person who should have been picked but wasn't, the person who did become judge but shouldn't have and the lynch targets that all will/might be different, and all of them can inform the thread of the difference (the lynch targets via CF).

IMO, for electing, people should put themselves forward as judge first and then once there are a few different judge options someone who agrees with one of them should put themselves forward as mayor and that they will pick that judge.

I'll do a (serious) example right now - - -

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:54 PM

View PostJalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

View PostJalan, on 26 August 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

I'm back now and catching up. Haven't read the full thread yet, but I saw the start of day update. One thing to note is that the investment numbers could be indicative of what roles are in the game - so for example if the LaRua mormon house investment was only done by one player, it could only have been the Channeler since no one else has the 5-6-5-5 dice stats in the OP. same for the Aces who have 3 different investments so probably 3 different roles doing those 3 investments. The corporates same idea, though looks like only 2 players investments - obviously in every case there could be more players who didn't invest. In the university case it's harder to tell since there's only the one invested location, could be one player doing 5-5-5-5 or two players combining but I'd lean towards it being just one.

The LaRua getting mormom house so fast though makes me suspicious of the players who had lover comms yesterday - maybe two of them discovered they were both LaRua and worked together to get the mormon house investment so they would have longer off-thread comms (OP doesn't say the mormon house off-thread comms expires so I'm assuming it lasts all game).

As I read up I'm going to keep an eye on those players and see if any of them didn't vote, which would indicate they were already on the mormon house.

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I hadn't even thought about the 'you can't vote while on Mormon House' tile ability when I was looking at that stuff, good catch! Wasn't there someone who was openly unwilling to vote on thread? Maybe we found a reason?

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There was Bek Okhan, who quickly put himself down to a [0] die and AFAIKSF never made another die his 'active die' so he couldn't vote. Wonder if he was on mormon house and that was just so he'd have an excuse not to vote if it got to L-1.



That's what I was thinking. That being said, we can't depend on that as a good 'case' right now, given that we were nowhere near an election yesterday. I mean, I suppose it's as good as anything we have right now. I'm still a little iffy about Liosan, Merrid and Fanderay. I feel like all three acted pretty suspiciously yesterday.

I think we should get started on trying to choose a mayor sooner rather than later, too. Yesterday we left it until the 2nd half of the Day, and that really didn't work.

If I'm elected Mayor, I'll be making anyone who says they'll lynch Liosan, Fanderay or Merrid (with Liosan being my favourite of the three) the judge.

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Yep. Talk like this will keep anyone from wanting to be mayor.

Merrid and I got the discussion going so the let's lynch the players actually jump-starting the discussion is very counter productive. Just because we were actively trying to get someone elected we are suspicious? I don't see the logic. Frankly I would like to see anyone that is elected mayor select a judge that will lynch the players that stated they are okay with the Judge geting multiple lynches. That, in my opinion, was the most shady thing said on thread so far. I need to go back and call each of those players out. I think there were three of them.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:56 PM

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:39 PM, said:

This mechanic of any failed lynches carrying over to the next day is pretty scary. As Denul suggests

(here:

View PostDenul, on 22 August 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

So in essence, if we refused to vote for mayor at any point, the game could be decided by only NA's or other actions, with no power given to the mayor/judge, but only if we never elect one, because if we wait for multiple days, and then elect a mayor, the judge can fuck us all up.

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we could just not elect all game to stop it being an issue, but I tend to think that if we do that someone is going to end up pulling a special 'I get +3 votes' ability out of their ass later in the game and get 10 lynches to win the game.

The alternative is that I think this is good motivation to try and elect successfully every day to keep any given day's election from having more than one lynch.



Another reason to look at those that were okay with the letting the lynches pile up.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 02:58 PM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 26 August 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

43 Hours and 35 minutes on the clock (to make it a nice time). It is day 2.

17 players are alive. 9 votes required to elect a Mayor.

Alts: Barghast, Bek Okhan, Cast, Demelain, Denul, Fanderay, Grasp, Hanas, Hentos Iln, Jalan, Lock, Liosan, Meanas, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Rashan, Ultama.

We will not be using Mafia Manager.


Temporary Alts day 1 (18/3 => 6): Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Aranathas
Temporary Alts day 2 (17/3 => 5): Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan, Kedeviss


Please note that Anthras' CF was wrongly processed on the first go. For better information:
Anthras was a Longhorn of the Aces faction, stationed at Outlaw's Refuge

Please note that you can take Cantrips while the thread is frozen.

Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 26 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

Ok, so if I am elected Judge, I will be lynching Hanas and Bek Okhan.


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View PostHanas, on 23 August 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

Barely making it! I have so much to set up, read, and everything else! This game is going to take more time and thought than our average games by a huge margin. I'll focus more time for tomorrow!

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View PostHanas, on 23 August 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

this is tough!

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View PostHanas, on 23 August 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 23 August 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

View PostCast, on 23 August 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

First person to post after night is fully resolved?

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Translation:

F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 'no hon, I am stuck here doing work, no time for dinner!' F5 F5 F5 "yes, a beer would be nice" F5 F5 "no, I can't go and get it myself, work, you know?!" F5 F5 "...but mafia IS work!"


A window into the office/computer room/living room of mafia players across the world....




He say in his first post that he'll dedicate more time the next day and then never shows up for it. Then it seems yesterday/this morning he was online for a 4-hour stretch or so but still never posted anything. After 48 hours into the game, there's really no excuse for not at least trying to post some content, but instead he just drops a few asinine comments and disappears again.

He's clearly still playing the game though, as his bullets count goes down each time.




Bek Okhan scares me a bit, as he put only a [1] bullets die as his active thread die on Day 1:

his first post:

View PostBek Okhan, on 21 August 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Here. This game is quite complicated. =O

Does anybody want to be my friend? =)

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But he not only brought that die down to [0], but also did two Friendship cantrips and who knows how many other abilities. I'm also suspicious that he picked a low die on-thread to hide being in mormon house and then conspired through Friendship to get the mormon off-thread comms.


In both cases, Hanas and Bek Okhan, these players are playing the game but withholding from voting, participating or making any waves in the game thread. Since this is a faction game like ToD where we don't automatically all know our leaders (or leaders all knowing their followers), getting information from the game thread is critical, and any player who tries very hard to remain an enigma on-thread like these two make me very wary of what powers they are hiding.

So, if made Judge my selections for Lynchees will be Hanas and Bek Okhan. I've already submitted these choices as final.

If the thread as a whole agrees you can pick someone trustworthy to be Mayor who will pick me as Judge. If the thread leans elsewhere, so be it. I'm not even necessarily going to automatically vote for what would make me Judge, as new information and feelings might come out throughout the day, too. I'm just making this a public and concise option for discussion and as an example of how I hope we can keep things efficient with the elections to avoid missing another one and making future judges too powerful.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 03:35 PM

Yes Grasp, I said I would dedicate more time the next day, and then ended up having a major work related problem that took a few days to deal with. Is it a wonder that after a bad week I drank myself into a stupor and didn't even look at the thread all weekend?

Anyhow, Tapper's games require a significantly greater amount of mental effort and higher maths to play properly. Luckily I happen to have those today.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 03:52 PM

Back for a bit longer his time, can't say I'm massively surprised how quiet it has been so far - everyone waiting for the results of Night to come in and various weekend activities. Since others have commented on likely roles at locations I'll provide a bit more specific a breakdown:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 25 August 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

(Clubs, Diamonds, Hearts, Spades)

Mud Street:
5, 5, 5, 5 invested by University
5, 5, 5, 5 invested by Aces
2, 2, 2, 2 invested by Corporate Cult
3, 3, 5, 0 invested by LaRua


Roles present:
University - Student of Technology
Aces - Card Shark
Corporate Cult - Iron Worker
LaRUA - Hexslinger or Released Wanderer

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Judge Wallace's Office:
0, 4, 0, 0 invested by Corporate Cult


Corporate Cult - Any role except Iron Worker

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Mormon's House:
5, 6, 5, 5 invested by LaRua


LaRUA - Channeler

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The Fleece Spring:
4, 2, 0, 0 invested by Aces


Aces - Gunslinger


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Outlaw's Refuge:
2, 2, 1, 1 invested by Aces


Aces - Cattle Thief or Bank Robber. Given the CF of Anthras as Longhorn the Cattle Thief is likely to have been here.

View PostPath-Shaper, on 25 August 2013 - 10:53 AM, said:

Temporary Alts day 1 (18/3 => 6): Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Aparal Forge, Aranathas
Temporary Alts day 2 (17/3 => 5): Kadagar Fant, Karatallid, Karosis, Kaschan


I don't know what others thoughts are but the introduction of the K's took me by suprise here - I had sort of assumed that we would simply have the dead As resurected up to the days total number of alts/3 each Day phase, the introduction of the new alts risks us getting flooded with summoned beasts - I'll come back to this later.

So, we have roles with clear locations and numbers of actions - some of those are educating as to who can't possibly be the roles due to the number of dice pips we have them use on thread - with more active voting/cantrips today this'll narrow down roles even further, giving us some idea of who might actually be on each of our teams - most of us are still shooting blind I would imagine.

Day ended without an election, no big suprise there given the confusion people seemed to have understanding the rules. Given that it took till, what, Day 3 to lynch an actual alt and Day 6 to lynch a player in the last faction game (Alera,) is anyone really suprised that with voting costing you potential actions to do that we struggled - everyone started with their inital objectives for themself and the Day 1 stupidity we normally get makes no case worth sacrificing your own power/ability/etc for, I think I'd actually say well done to those who did put a vote down for thinking of the game rather than their own schemes (and I know I didn't vote - I did however return to thread before Day ended and saw it was still hopeless so didn't bother voting.) Now the Judge can take out two we need to start concentrating on actually getting people elected, or actively work to prevent it and rely on NAs only to trim out our 8 targets. Basically, without a lynch I think the game will be won by investment in locations which I don't like so now the confusion is out the way we need to work on a Mayor.

Given that we have a confirmed Temp Alt death with a CF as a Longhorn I think it safe to say that there has been summoning going on on Day 1 at Outlaws Refuge if not elsewhere. Is anyone willing to come forward and say they lost sanity at any other location? - I imagine those alts who are the ones named above will want to shut up here less they completely give themselves away but anyone else should be free to speak. Do bear in mind when i ask this that we have had 2 movement phases since then so wherever you were when sanity loss happened, you are not giving away your current location because with 2 moves you could now be in *any* other location.

Why do I think we need to keep a track of Sanity losses? Sanity loss is I think the only way we're going to keep track of how many Alts are occupied and we need to keep track of them less the Summoners become too powerful with a whole army at their beck and call - the Longhorn for instance without doubt powers up the Cattle Thief. Keeping to the rural theme, say another Summoner summons a goat - a nasty, dangerous beast that wanders round a location chewing on the coats of all the alts present and causing an item of their inventory to fall out. Not an irreplacable loss in most cases but enough to be annoying. Now imagine that there are two goats and each alt there loses 2 items per phase. Now three Goats. You see where the problems could creep in - to kill them you might need a bonus from your items to take them down in one go, but they've caused you to lose the items, therefore you can't take them all down. Next Day the summoner creates another two goats, in fact a veritable gatling array of goats chewing at your coat pockets. Then the summoner finds a lead* and take them wandering. Hell, perhaps goat shit causes ownership to change too, covering pips on the cards or something.

Oh, Hexes cost people around some sanity too so okay, may not be the best tactic but we can at least keep track of the volume of activity and its location and hopefully then on the Sanity of the caster to identify when they become a lone cannon - is the summoner/hexer staying at a location because they get a bonus form it? Maybe it costs Pixie powder to perform a summons so they're standing on Dead Dane's Deed for most of the game. Hexes from the OP I think are going to be mostly effective in alt-vs-alt combat or wagers, maybe one Hex gives the target a [-2] to all dice or randomly adds [+1] or [-1] to the oponents cards in a wager. Given that the summoned creatures, be it my hungry goats or the Cattle Thieves Longhorn likely last until they're killed, the Hexes may also have a duration dependant on the life of a temp alt.

That's my random musings for this morning, back again later.


tl;dr - Goats ;) And more seriously, anyone willing to own up to having lost Sanity at a location?



*Okay, I have no idea how you get a goat to follow you, I admit it.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 03:58 PM

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

The LaRua getting mormom house so fast though makes me suspicious of the players who had lover comms yesterday - maybe two of them discovered they were both LaRua and worked together to get the mormon house investment so they would have longer off-thread comms (OP doesn't say the mormon house off-thread comms expires so I'm assuming it lasts all game).

Something worth noting - Mormon's House is from the OP I think a single chat that people are added to/removed from so anyone else could go along and join in the same PM series, thereby picking up on all the LaRUA communications off thread.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:03 PM

View PostGrasp, on 26 August 2013 - 02:49 PM, said:

However I disagree with the judges being not worth considering as I think a corrupt judge scenario is more likely than a corrupt mayor scenario. In the corrupt mayor scenario there is both the person who should have been picked but wasn't, the person who did become judge but shouldn't have and the lynch targets that all will/might be different, and all of them can inform the thread of the difference (the lynch targets via CF).

IMO, for electing, people should put themselves forward as judge first and then once there are a few different judge options someone who agrees with one of them should put themselves forward as mayor and that they will pick that judge.

I'll do a (serious) example right now - - -

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I think I was on about Judges not being worth considering in my making the choices as clear as possible as to who to vote for for each desired lynchee. Good catch about the more likely Judge betrayal, if the Mayor did it someone else would have unexpectedly gained XP, leading to potential for them to bring it up on thread and make the Mayor very uncomfortable - unless they are the same faction and know it of course in which case it'll be a valid tactic for passing the blame to another and having no-one speak up about their sudden XP boon.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostBarghast, on 26 August 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

And more seriously, anyone willing to own up to having lost Sanity at a location?


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Pretty sure you can't reveal this, as PS said no reveals whatsoever of anything in PMs, etc, no matter how paraphrased, on thread, though I think you can in off thread convo's.

PS, is brag just for talking about who was targetted by NA's and what NA's they were, or can it be about any effects that happened?

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:36 PM

However, people could tell others via friendship in PM's about what happened to them, without breaking PS's rules.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:41 PM

View PostDenul, on 26 August 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 26 August 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

And more seriously, anyone willing to own up to having lost Sanity at a location?


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Pretty sure you can't reveal this, as PS said no reveals whatsoever of anything in PMs, etc, no matter how paraphrased, on thread, though I think you can in off thread convo's.

PS, is brag just for talking about who was targetted by NA's and what NA's they were, or can it be about any effects that happened?

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Ahh, you may have a point there. Still, comments like "I'm feeling my sanity slipping away, sat here in a puddle of mud" could be a suitably coded reference to a Summoning/Hex at Mud Street? I should point out I am in no way asking people to conduct a mod-kill offence, if you have doubt about what you're going to say, check with PS first.

Could Brag be used by Judge/Mayor to prove who they selected? You can't lie after all.

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:43 PM

View PostDenul, on 26 August 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 26 August 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

And more seriously, anyone willing to own up to having lost Sanity at a location?


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Pretty sure you can't reveal this, as PS said no reveals whatsoever of anything in PMs, etc, no matter how paraphrased, on thread, though I think you can in off thread convo's.

PS, is brag just for talking about who was targetted by NA's and what NA's they were, or can it be about any effects that happened?

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Either full ability text that you used, or the target of an attack. Nothing else.
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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:45 PM

View PostBarghast, on 26 August 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 26 August 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

View PostBarghast, on 26 August 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

And more seriously, anyone willing to own up to having lost Sanity at a location?


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Pretty sure you can't reveal this, as PS said no reveals whatsoever of anything in PMs, etc, no matter how paraphrased, on thread, though I think you can in off thread convo's.

PS, is brag just for talking about who was targetted by NA's and what NA's they were, or can it be about any effects that happened?

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Ahh, you may have a point there. Still, comments like "I'm feeling my sanity slipping away, sat here in a puddle of mud" could be a suitably coded reference to get yourself mod-killed. a Summoning/Hex at Mud Street? I should point out I am in no way asking people to conduct a mod-kill offence, if you have doubt about what you're going to say, check with PS first.

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The one way anyone could own up to a Sanity loss is if the Hex/Summons performer used a Brag on that ability.

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Could Brag be used by Judge/Mayor to prove who they selected? You can't lie after all.

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Nope. It's neither an ability nor an attack that was used, it is a nomination. /technicalities rule
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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostDenul, on 26 August 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

However, people could tell others via friendship in PM's about what happened to them, without breaking PS's rules.

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That is completely according to the rules.
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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:48 PM

And to complete my C-C-C-COMBO:


a friendly request to bundle your questions as much as possible - if you see I haven't read something, please edit your post to add it rather than post anew. I am skimming like fuck, trying to give answers to as much as I can, but I seldom click pages back. Last night had about 60 different actions to resolve, so I am a tiny bit stressed.


In the same vein, please try to not ask the same question in both your Role PM convo and the Action convo. All it does is stress me about 18 unanswered new PMs where it could be 9, which makes me take out less time per PM.

Thank you so kindly in advance ;)
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