[Rashan]

Vote Barghast

[Kalse]

Remove Vote

We need to agree on someone before I disappear in a few hours. No lynch day 2 would be fucking awful.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 44 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Barghast ( Rashan )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Alkend )
6 Votes for Alkend ( Okaros, Mockra, Gait, Trake, Anthras, Liosan )

Players not voted: Barghast, Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Tellan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 31 July 2013 - 04:31 PM

[Rashan]

Gait, on 30 July 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 07:59 PM, said:

Well, Barghy, looks like you semi-answered (presciently) while I was slowly posting so even though your flippant analysis of the last few games is mostly correct, I must point out that no one was talking about any roles except scum roles. Do you really think it helps scum to get a number of possible scenarios out the for contemplation? Unless we summarily adopt one and pursue it to the exclusion of all else, I say we are merely brainstorming.

more like last 70+ games.

and yes, throwing out number of killers doesn't do anything (unless they don't know each other). But throwing out spec about symps could be helpful to them. and problem with spec is, once ppl start they rarely know when to stop.

Anyhow, my point was quite simply is that rigth now we don't have much to go on. And we won't at least for a few days. That's normal, just as lynching townies is normal, and we should not be making a huge deal out if it. But if I go on talking about this, i'll just start repeating what we've already discussed ad nauseum numerous times.

I am taking exception at the italicized text.

The point here is that speculating on scum will not do much that scum themselves didn't realize themselves if the hypothesis is accurate, and it will be clarified fairly soon (night 1) if we're wrong. The thing that hurts us, is prolongued speculation on town role distribution.

I also really, really don't like that you plan the next few days in as organised chaos. It seems you're pre-emptively taking a position that will more or less excuse you from jumping on the bandwagon for easy lynches, pressing and being wrong, and dismissing any early leads as 'early game chaos'. It is a good position for a symp to be maneuvering themselves into.

So as far as I am concerned, you can stick your generalisations where the rising sun doesn't shine, and get out of your high tree-house, good sir.

Korbas, on 30 July 2013 - 11:15 AM, said:

One last thing, because it just occurred to me, and then I'm really going to bed.

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

Desra, on 29 July 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

Barghast, on 29 July 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Desra, on 29 July 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Jalan, on 29 July 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 July 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

*snip*

This is a town vs. scum game, although it involves 3 clans. "Town" are players who are in the besieged castles of the Miura and Uesugi. Scum are the Fujiwari, who have besieged those castles.
Victory for scum is if they achieve parity/superiority in numbers. Victory for town is eliminate scum general(s) (killers).


*snip*

I take this underlined to mean general & killer are one and the same and interchangeable, at least in this game

Okay, good point. Don't know how I missed that.

So then what, 2 killers, 3 symps?

or 2 symps. WCS 3-4. This is one of those times where role spec is absolutely useless to town, unless you want to launch into prolonged "odds or evens rule" WIFOM spec. I mean, you won't know if you hit a symp anyways.

So then how do you propose to figure out who scum is? We have to come to some form of consensus on what we think the game mechanics are going to look like so that we have a good starting point.

well, usually it goes like this:

Day 1--lots of jokes, stupid votes, late Day 1 pileup, totally random lynch.

Day2--analysis of day 1 "train", more random voting, semi-random lynch.

Days 3-x: finder reveals, cases, some kind of logic., pissing contests, low poster hunts, eventual lynches. Town either wins or loses.

if you have any bright ideas, i'm all ears. Until I have reasons to believe otherwise, i'm treating this as scum v town. Golden rule is: in town V scum role spec only helps scum. so i'm not gonna talk about roles, and I WILL actively discourage others from talking about them.

Are you really hoping to get a "slip" from a roled player to tell you more?

Barghast says here that he believes speculation only helps scum, and so he will actively discourage it. However, he doesn't really follow this through, role speculation continues, and in fact Barghast himself was discussing this earlier in the game. It makes me wonder if he is in fact cautioning a teammate here, as he seems curiously emphatic, but then doesn't follow through.

These two were the posts that made me like lynching him.
I know it isn't much, but it's better than nothing.

[Tellan]

Anything is better than a no-lynch, and I'm inclined to believe Alkend's reveal, so

Vote Barghast

[Barghast]

I responded to Korbas' accusation. but obviously it's too much to expect Rash to quote that as well.

for those interested, posts 138 and 139

[Anthras]

So there is no way Alkend can verify his claim?

[Tellan]

Just read the posts, and the defense seems pretty solid. Anyone got any other ideas?

[Rashan]

Barghast, on 31 July 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

I responded to Korbas' accusation. but obviously it's too much to expect Rash to quote that as well.

for those interested, posts 138 and 139

It's mafia.

[Tellan]

Anthras, on 31 July 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

So there is no way Alkend can verify his claim?

I don't think so... Only way would be to lynch him, but that wouldn't really let his ability do any good..

[Barghast]

Tellan, on 31 July 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

Just read the posts, and the defense seems pretty solid. Anyone got any other ideas?

we can go back to the beginning of yesterday when Desra was fishing for role distribution. Or D'riss's recruiting fearmongering.

[Alkend]

Anthras, on 31 July 2013 - 04:48 PM, said:

So there is no way Alkend can verify his claim?

Short of the person I communicate on behalf of coming on thread and saying "Yep, he's cool", there's nothing I can do.
If you are that person, don't be an idiot.

[Barghast]

vote Cast

because he's got 2 posts in 2 days.

[Barghast]

also tempted to vote Rash for just sheeping around.

[Alkend]

Barghast, on 31 July 2013 - 04:51 PM, said:

vote Cast

because he's got 2 posts in 2 days.

Two days in and I think the timezones argument in the defence of low posters is good and dead , and given that he left a vote and didn't come back to change it, he probably does need some pressure.
Vote Cast

[Anthras]

I dont recognise half of these new alts

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 4 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Cast ( Barghast )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Alkend )
2 Votes for Barghast ( Rashan, Tellan )
6 Votes for Alkend ( Okaros, Mockra, Gait, Trake, Anthras, Liosan )

Players not voted: Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas

[Rashan]

Remove Vote
Vote Cast

[Rashan]

Path-Shaper, on 31 July 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 4 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Cast ( Barghast )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Alkend )
2 Votes for Barghast ( Rashan, Tellan )
6 Votes for Alkend ( Okaros, Mockra, Gait, Trake, Anthras, Liosan )

Players not voted: Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas

Alkend voted Cast too.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 53 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Gait, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Rashan, Tellan, Trake

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Cast ( Barghast, Rashan )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Alkend )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Tellan )
6 Votes for Alkend ( Okaros, Mockra, Gait, Trake, Anthras, Liosan )

Players not voted: Cast, D'riss, Desra, Eloth, Galain, Hanas, Jalan, Kalse, Korbas