[Path-Shaper]

Tiamatha, on 19 July 2013 - 03:40 PM, said:

And obviously:

Provisional Action: Use Decoy if Tiamatha reaches L-1. Jump into Mockra.

noted

V

[Path-Shaper]

Tiamatha, on 19 July 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

Hivemind 12: Respawn Alkend, Rashan, and whoever is lynched as Vordknights.

noted

V

[Path-Shaper]

So how much longer do you want to let this game go on Blend?

V


Khell has Vord knights. No other faction will be able to win the game once the vord has voting superiority. The Human factions aren't close to lynching the queen and Khell has his jump..

V

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

So how much longer do you want to let this game go on Blend?

V


Khell has Vord knights. No other faction will be able to win the game once the vord has voting superiority. The Human factions aren't close to lynching the queen and Khell has his jump..

V

Yeah, I was thinking we should just call it, was just about to see what you think. So call it, then?

[Vengeance]

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 22 July 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

So how much longer do you want to let this game go on Blend?

V


Khell has Vord knights. No other faction will be able to win the game once the vord has voting superiority. The Human factions aren't close to lynching the queen and Khell has his jump..

V

Yeah, I was thinking we should just call it, was just about to see what you think. So call it, then?

Yeah call it. Khell has reached numerical superiority and now no other faction can win.

V

[Blend]

Thanks for playing everyone! It was fun to watch!

[Khellendros]

Thanks Blend and Venge! Blend, that was an absolutely amazing role, so much fun! In all honesty, from about day 1 to day 10, I thought I had no chance of winning - mainly because of my own bad play in those first few days. It was an amazing thrill to pull it back from the brink (with quite a bit of luck, admittedly).


I'm off to read SH!

[Gnaw]

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

What do you think, Venge? I'm willing to freeze it right away, cause he's right, freezing during a Day cycle tends to give the non-vord an advantage.

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

What do you think, Venge? I'm willing to freeze it right away, cause he's right, freezing during a Day cycle tends to give the non-vord an advantage.

Well you already said that you would freeze after night is over...so...

Personally I would just freeze the game now. That way we don't have to worry about counting votes or anything else. Say that both mods are going to be out of town this weekend.

V

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

So Ultima is modkilled because we wouldn't resolve night then freeze for the weekend. What a dbag.

V

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Is there a particular reason you want to be mod killed toward the end of the game. There are reasons that we do what we do and freezing the night and not the next day was something that both mods talked about and agreed on.



Vengeance

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Personally, I think that's an atrocious lack of sportsmanship on your part, and will have to think very hard about whether or not you will be playing in any of my future games.

-Blend

Ultama, on 12 July 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Personally, I think that's an atrocious lack of sportsmanship on your part, and will have to think very hard about whether or not you will be playing in any of my future games.

-Blend

I can help with that.

Nope.

What a complete dick move. I've never actually wanted to ban someone from my games before. Guess someone had to be the first.

I'm going to respond to this but I have zero desire to argue over it. A reasonable discussion, but I doubt that would do anyone any good.

I went along with that semi-speed lynch just to prove that it was dumb. I wanted to have the weekend to discuss things with my fellow players. And I had every expectation that you would finish night, resolve, and freeze at start of day. That plan was shot all to hell by you freezing the game when you did.

I did what I did because I was 99% certain that you froze early because you were protecting somebody.

Now that I am 100% certain of that, I have no regret or remorse. I apologize to my fellow players for further hurting their chances at winning.

I had a similar issue with another mod over similar issue but that one turned out to be due to legitimate rule bending because otherwise the game would have broken.

In this case, the game would not have been broken. It might have been bad for one faction although I'm willing to bet the Siren could have pulled it out.

Let the chips fall where they may. But Blend. You don't have to ban me from your games. I decided I wouldn't play any more of yours except M&P TMDI <3 games before I hit he reply button so I'll just remove the M&P caveat.

I understand that mods have to be ambiguous, decisive, and mendacious. I understand that I will know the reason for a decision once I can see the SH. But that's not what you did. You lied in order to help a faction.

And that is a blivet.

[Vengeance]

Protecting a faction is not what we where doing.

We decided that allowing one timer to be frozen but allowing people to post and to vote would not be fair to the other timers in the game. Not freezing at night would have unnecessarily penalized that one faction while allowing every other faction to benefit. Therefore we decided that we would freeze at night. I think that it was the right decision to make and I would make it again.

[Blend]

Gnaw, on 22 July 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

What do you think, Venge? I'm willing to freeze it right away, cause he's right, freezing during a Day cycle tends to give the non-vord an advantage.

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 02:31 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

What do you think, Venge? I'm willing to freeze it right away, cause he's right, freezing during a Day cycle tends to give the non-vord an advantage.

Well you already said that you would freeze after night is over...so...

Personally I would just freeze the game now. That way we don't have to worry about counting votes or anything else. Say that both mods are going to be out of town this weekend.

V

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

So Ultima is modkilled because we wouldn't resolve night then freeze for the weekend. What a dbag.

V

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Is there a particular reason you want to be mod killed toward the end of the game. There are reasons that we do what we do and freezing the night and not the next day was something that both mods talked about and agreed on.



Vengeance

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Personally, I think that's an atrocious lack of sportsmanship on your part, and will have to think very hard about whether or not you will be playing in any of my future games.

-Blend

Ultama, on 12 July 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Personally, I think that's an atrocious lack of sportsmanship on your part, and will have to think very hard about whether or not you will be playing in any of my future games.

-Blend

I can help with that.

Nope.

What a complete dick move. I've never actually wanted to ban someone from my games before. Guess someone had to be the first.

I'm going to respond to this but I have zero desire to argue over it. A reasonable discussion, but I doubt that would do anyone any good.

I went along with that semi-speed lynch just to prove that it was dumb. I wanted to have the weekend to discuss things with my fellow players. And I had every expectation that you would finish night, resolve, and freeze at start of day. That plan was shot all to hell by you freezing the game when you did.

I did what I did because I was 99% certain that you froze early because you were protecting somebody.

Now that I am 100% certain of that, I have no regret or remorse. I apologize to my fellow players for further hurting their chances at winning.

I had a similar issue with another mod over similar issue but that one turned out to be due to legitimate rule bending because otherwise the game would have broken.

In this case, the game would not have been broken. It might have been bad for one faction although I'm willing to bet the Siren could have pulled it out.

Let the chips fall where they may. But Blend. You don't have to ban me from your games. I decided I wouldn't play any more of yours except M&P TMDI <3 games before I hit he reply button so I'll just remove the M&P caveat.

I understand that mods have to be ambiguous, decisive, and mendacious. I understand that I will know the reason for a decision once I can see the SH. But that's not what you did. You lied in order to help a faction.

And that is a blivet.

As Venge has pointed out, we made the correct decision, and we both stand by it. If I had realized how allowing the game to continue running would hurt the Vord faction while allowing others to continue playing without the disadvantage at the START of the game, I would have frozen the game at night for every freeze. As it stands, Khell pointed it out to us, we discussed it, and Venge and I decided we agreed with Khell.

I don't understand how you think it would be fair to give 3 out of 4 factions an unfair advantage.

It's plain, and it's simple. You rage quit because we didn't do something the way you EXPECTED us to do it. You spent the entire game critizing and bitching at us and how we run our game, then you quit cause you weren't happy with having to wait the weekend for your Dawn action results. You acted like an entitled child, so let me make it clear, you're not welcome to play my games, M&P or otherwise, whether you wanted to or not. Period. And I encourage other mods to do the same, so as maybe to discourage such childish behaviour in the future. But hey, other mods may mod however they want.

[Stalker]

Good game Khell! Can't believe how many times you got off alive, everyone was just eating from your hand. By the way, you are welcome for the kedeviss thing. I was hoping it would help Ment more than it did, but it was also designed to help you.

[Khellendros]

Emurlahn, on 09 July 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 28 June 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Night 2/Dawn 2 whenever it is that my Attack action takes place: Attack Emurlahn.

noted

V

Hrm, did he just randomly guess me? That's harsh considering it did a billion damage.

Emurlahn, on 09 July 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 July 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 03 July 2013 - 04:01 PM, said:

Tell them that they can't block users in a mafia game. I don't know whether that's in the rules or not, but it is a non-game way of affecting my own abilities.

Ryllandaras, on 03 July 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

Day 4 Move: Move to Antillus.

Day 4 Action: Attack Emurlahn.

Noted

V

How does he know?!

Hehe, as I said on thread and in a PM to SH, you outed yourself (or, at least, that you were heading to Shuar) by repeatedly stating that someone must have moved to Shuar. Having figured you were FA based on the fact that you could get into Shuar, I knew you had to have moved to either Antillus or Ceres because of the changes to the fortification counters, and I happened to guess correctly by choosing Antillus.

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 22 July 2013 - 07:11 PM

[Khellendros]

Stalker, on 22 July 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Good game Khell! Can't believe how many times you got off alive, everyone was just eating from your hand. By the way, you are welcome for the kedeviss thing. I was hoping it would help Ment more than it did, but it was also designed to help you.

Haha, that Kedeviss comment was very helpful, thank you I had been wondering why you did it, thought is was just out of frustration at being lynched maybe.


I've got more comments but run out of time for a while, so be back later.

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 01:50 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

They're not the first to state who they are on thread, and Fener paraphrased. I don't see any reason to modkill them.

Fener's paraphrasing is almost word for word, and Liosan didn't come out and state that he was sextas. He just said that he was the leader of the loyalists same with Pran Chole. Neither one of them said there character name. Demelain flat out stated which character he was.

I have NEVER said I was the leader. Find me that post, you filthy liar.

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

The players have made this game much more complicated then it was designed to be. What with all of the off the wall assumptions and Khell convincing them that he was Alera for a day..Brilliant.

V

Rule no 1 of Mafia modding--players will ALWAYS over-complicate things by a factor of n, where n=is the tmdi index to the power of n.

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on 15 July 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 15 July 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

IMO, the fact that every single lynch has been a Vord and the Vord are still in firm control of this game is a testament that maybe the balance of this game is pretty weak. Being able to constantly spawn more alts is insane.

Really... I took it that everyone kept buying the shit that Khell was selling. They had the queen at l-1 the other day. If ultima had directed his troops to Nar instead of Antilious then they might have gotten rid of the queen and the vord.

All 4 factions still have players in the game they loyalists are only in this screwed of a position thanks to early mod kills and some bad luck. Until Ultima went rogue the FA had a good chance to win. The Rebals have a strong shot if they can keep FA on their side. Liosan is the one who should be raging and he is still trying to play and win.

Sure the Vord are able to respawn but they did so in the books as well. We stayed true to the story. Here everyone was able to recognize the threat early and the vord only have 3 territories. I think that the balance is pretty decent actually. Weak Vord (except for the queen) and a lot of power players in the human factions. I think that the momentum is on Khell's side but that the rebels or FA can still pull it out.


V

I can both rage and play to win survive. I'm a multi-tasker like that.

[D'rek]

Mentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

The players have made this game much more complicated then it was designed to be. What with all of the off the wall assumptions and Khell convincing them that he was Alera for a day..Brilliant.

V

Rule no 1 of Mafia modding--players will ALWAYS over-complicate things by a factor of n, where n=is the tmdi index to the power of n.

"But what if, even though the mods directly said everyone was in one of the five stated factions, there's some independent super-roles running around?!" is my favourite

[Mentalist]

Path-Shaper, on 16 July 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 16 July 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Oh man. They're all losing their shit. I can't really blame them. If I was still in the game, I'd have been beyond blow up stage.

The thing is that they have been so so so close to lynching the queen multiple times now. I mean seriously follow through with a fucking lynch already. The first time was funny. The second was wow. Now it is just retarded. Obviously you can't trust anything that any of the vord have to say so just power lynch them.

V

I'm sure it's easy for you to say.

If you were playing, and seeing the alts you kill respawn, you would also think, "what's the fucking point?"

[Shinrei]

Blend, on 22 July 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

It's plain, and it's simple. You rage quit because we didn't do something the way you EXPECTED us to do it. You spent the entire game critizing and bitching at us and how we run our game, then you quit cause you weren't happy with having to wait the weekend for your Dawn action results. You acted like an entitled child, so let me make it clear, you're not welcome to play my games, M&P or otherwise, whether you wanted to or not. Period. And I encourage other mods to do the same, so as maybe to discourage such childish behaviour in the future. But hey, other mods may mod however they want.

As someone who has raged at and banned HiddenOne on multiple occasions, but is now happy to have him sign up for Sengoku 4, I suggest that all parties allow a few days to pass to let cooler heads prevail.

I've had my share of mafia wigouts, and I have always regretted them later because in the end, it's a game and mods make (potentially) controversial decisions while players go crazy-frustrated from time to time. Seriously, TMDI 10+ are just too fucking confusing to be worth quitting/banning over.

People. Mafia is a game of twisted fun. Let's have fun. Put each other on your respective lists maybe - that's totally cool.

[Blend]

D, on 22 July 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

The players have made this game much more complicated then it was designed to be. What with all of the off the wall assumptions and Khell convincing them that he was Alera for a day..Brilliant.

V

Rule no 1 of Mafia modding--players will ALWAYS over-complicate things by a factor of n, where n=is the tmdi index to the power of n.

"But what if, even though the mods directly said everyone was in one of the five stated factions, there's some independent super-roles running around?!" is my favourite />

My absolute favourite thing was Khell revealing as Alera. That threw nearly everyone for a spin, because it was just close enough to possible that no one could really rule it out! It was frikkin beautiful!