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#701 User is offline   Vengeance 

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:43 PM

View PostShinrei, on 22 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:



It's plain, and it's simple. You rage quit because we didn't do something the way you EXPECTED us to do it. You spent the entire game critizing and bitching at us and how we run our game, then you quit cause you weren't happy with having to wait the weekend for your Dawn action results. You acted like an entitled child, so let me make it clear, you're not welcome to play my games, M&P or otherwise, whether you wanted to or not. Period. And I encourage other mods to do the same, so as maybe to discourage such childish behaviour in the future. But hey, other mods may mod however they want.



As someone who has raged at and banned HiddenOne on multiple occasions, but is now happy to have him sign up for Sengoku 4, I suggest that all parties allow a few days to pass to let cooler heads prevail.

I've had my share of mafia wigouts, and I have always regretted them later because in the end, it's a game and mods make (potentially) controversial decisions while players go crazy-frustrated from time to time. Seriously, TMDI 10+ are just too fucking confusing to be worth quitting/banning over.

People. Mafia is a game of twisted fun. Let's have fun. Put each other on your respective lists maybe - that's totally cool. :blink:/>



I have also wigged out once or twice. I perhaps have threatened to break games while playing and might be known for being a little melodramatic once in a while. Still love everyone (while not in a game mode) though. :)
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 16 July 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

View PostMonok Ochem, on 16 July 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Oh man. They're all losing their shit. I can't really blame them. If I was still in the game, I'd have been beyond blow up stage.


The thing is that they have been so so so close to lynching the queen multiple times now. I mean seriously follow through with a fucking lynch already. The first time was funny. The second was wow. Now it is just retarded. Obviously you can't trust anything that any of the vord have to say so just power lynch them.

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I'm sure it's easy for you to say.

If you were playing, and seeing the alts you kill respawn, you would also think, "what's the fucking point?"


Come on there had to be a point when you had Tiam at l-1 for the second time and the other vord started to say a bunch of shit and the lynch flipped off to Ryll that you went wait why did we lynch one vord over the other. hrmmm.... Why would the vord want us to lynch one over the other. Why are we listening to who them about who we want to lynch.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:58 PM

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

The players have made this game much more complicated then it was designed to be. What with all of the off the wall assumptions and Khell convincing them that he was Alera for a day..Brilliant.

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Rule no 1 of Mafia modding--players will ALWAYS over-complicate things by a factor of n, where n=is the tmdi index to the power of n.


"But what if, even though the mods directly said everyone was in one of the five stated factions, there's some independent super-roles running around?!" is my favourite Posted Image/>


My absolute favourite thing was Khell revealing as Alera. That threw nearly everyone for a spin, because it was just close enough to possible that no one could really rule it out! It was frikkin beautiful!


I highly disagree, it was far too absurd to even consider being possible! Very easy to rule out! But no one listens me...

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostShinrei, on 22 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

It's plain, and it's simple. You rage quit because we didn't do something the way you EXPECTED us to do it. You spent the entire game critizing and bitching at us and how we run our game, then you quit cause you weren't happy with having to wait the weekend for your Dawn action results. You acted like an entitled child, so let me make it clear, you're not welcome to play my games, M&P or otherwise, whether you wanted to or not. Period. And I encourage other mods to do the same, so as maybe to discourage such childish behaviour in the future. But hey, other mods may mod however they want.



As someone who has raged at and banned HiddenOne on multiple occasions, but is now happy to have him sign up for Sengoku 4, I suggest that all parties allow a few days to pass to let cooler heads prevail.

I've had my share of mafia wigouts, and I have always regretted them later because in the end, it's a game and mods make (potentially) controversial decisions while players go crazy-frustrated from time to time. Seriously, TMDI 10+ are just too fucking confusing to be worth quitting/banning over.

People. Mafia is a game of twisted fun. Let's have fun. Put each other on your respective lists maybe - that's totally cool. Posted Image



As someone who has actually been HiddenOne on multiple occasions, I am happy to sign up for every Sengoku games into infinity. I have even wanted to ban myself a few times, but then realize that reality would cease to be so wondrous without my constant interaction with anonymous parties from around the world, who wish to trick me, destroy my sanity, and consign me to the afterlife with nothing but various containers of disembodied members for sustenance
HiddenOne. You son of a bitch. You slimy, skulking, low-posting scumbag. You knew it would come to this. Roundabout, maybe. Tortuous, certainly. But here we are, you and me again. I started the train on you so many many hours ago, and now I'm going to finish it. Die HO. Die. This is for last time, and this is for this game too. This is for all the people who died to your backstabbing, treacherous, "I sure don't know what's going on around here" filthy lying, deceitful ways. You son of a bitch. Whatever happens, this is justice. For me, this is justice. Vote HiddenOne Finally, I am at peace.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:04 PM

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

The players have made this game much more complicated then it was designed to be. What with all of the off the wall assumptions and Khell convincing them that he was Alera for a day..Brilliant.

V


Rule no 1 of Mafia modding--players will ALWAYS over-complicate things by a factor of n, where n=is the tmdi index to the power of n.


"But what if, even though the mods directly said everyone was in one of the five stated factions, there's some independent super-roles running around?!" is my favourite Posted Image/>


My absolute favourite thing was Khell revealing as Alera. That threw nearly everyone for a spin, because it was just close enough to possible that no one could really rule it out! It was frikkin beautiful!


I highly disagree, it was far too absurd to even consider being possible! Very easy to rule out! But no one listens me...


Not everyone can figure out exactly how a TMDI 10+ runs like it's written on the back of their hand, D'rek! :blink:
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:08 PM

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

The players have made this game much more complicated then it was designed to be. What with all of the off the wall assumptions and Khell convincing them that he was Alera for a day..Brilliant.

V


Rule no 1 of Mafia modding--players will ALWAYS over-complicate things by a factor of n, where n=is the tmdi index to the power of n.


"But what if, even though the mods directly said everyone was in one of the five stated factions, there's some independent super-roles running around?!" is my favourite Posted Image/>


My absolute favourite thing was Khell revealing as Alera. That threw nearly everyone for a spin, because it was just close enough to possible that no one could really rule it out! It was frikkin beautiful!


I highly disagree, it was far too absurd to even consider being possible! Very easy to rule out! But no one listens me...


Not everyone can figure out exactly how a TMDI 10+ runs like it's written on the back of their hand, D'rek! Posted Image


I forgot to mention, I liked the whole "meet and make friends with minor factions/peoples" mechanic Tavi had going on - it was a good way to include minor stuff like the Free Aleran, Icemen, Horse Tribe, etc into the story without pushing up the player count. Reminded me of developing treaties/relations with natives/barbarians/citystates/etc from games like AoE/RotK/Deadlock/Civ5/etc

View Postworrywort, on 14 September 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I kinda love it when D'rek unleashes her nerd wrath, as I knew she would here. Sorry innocent bystanders, but someone's gotta be the kindling.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:13 PM

36 pages for SH...might take me a while to catch through all that...

great game blend, though it did go a little slowly at the end!
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:16 PM

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

View PostBlend, on 22 July 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

View PostD, on 22 July 2013 - 03:34 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 10 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

The players have made this game much more complicated then it was designed to be. What with all of the off the wall assumptions and Khell convincing them that he was Alera for a day..Brilliant.

V


Rule no 1 of Mafia modding--players will ALWAYS over-complicate things by a factor of n, where n=is the tmdi index to the power of n.


"But what if, even though the mods directly said everyone was in one of the five stated factions, there's some independent super-roles running around?!" is my favourite Posted Image/>


My absolute favourite thing was Khell revealing as Alera. That threw nearly everyone for a spin, because it was just close enough to possible that no one could really rule it out! It was frikkin beautiful!


I highly disagree, it was far too absurd to even consider being possible! Very easy to rule out! But no one listens me...


Not everyone can figure out exactly how a TMDI 10+ runs like it's written on the back of their hand, D'rek! Posted Image


I forgot to mention, I liked the whole "meet and make friends with minor factions/peoples" mechanic Tavi had going on - it was a good way to include minor stuff like the Free Aleran, Icemen, Horse Tribe, etc into the story without pushing up the player count. Reminded me of developing treaties/relations with natives/barbarians/citystates/etc from games like AoE/RotK/Deadlock/Civ5/etc


I put that in when I had to decide which characters to include in the First Aleran. I knew the faction needed to be a small one for it to work with this game, and I had a VERY difficult time deciding whether to keep Varg or Ehren. In the end, I decided the ability to create treaties was good enough to consider it including the characters, and it game Tavi something to do besides concentrating completely on the Vord, thus, theoretically, giving the Vord a chance.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:20 PM

No one worked out how the Vord worked. I guess that was a testament to the game. I had 7HP. I was doing fine, and then Pran lets lose that army, I got - 2hp, fair enough, they were going to Shaur, or so I thought, I went after Tiamatha on Antillus, I did her damge which is great, what ended my game was the army arriving at the same time and instead of doing 2 hp damage they did 4. That put me at 1 hp. What Irks me is that I was so pissed off at the time and I spilled my location or what happened on thread and Khell decides to hit me. 7 HP gone in one cycle. The thing is, if Khell didn't hit me I was going to nail him the next day as Vord respawns shouldn't have had more than 3 HP. That means Tiam was the queen. So blame Pran chole rebel's :blink: and blame me other first aleran's. I played dog turd, i haven't had a good game in a while.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:28 PM

View PostGanoes Paran, on 22 July 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

No one worked out how the Vord worked. I guess that was a testament to the game. I had 7HP. I was doing fine, and then Pran lets lose that army, I got - 2hp, fair enough, they were going to Shaur, or so I thought, I went after Tiamatha on Antillus, I did her damge which is great, what ended my game was the army arriving at the same time and instead of doing 2 hp damage they did 4. That put me at 1 hp. What Irks me is that I was so pissed off at the time and I spilled my location or what happened on thread and Khell decides to hit me. 7 HP gone in one cycle. The thing is, if Khell didn't hit me I was going to nail him the next day as Vord respawns shouldn't have had more than 3 HP. That means Tiam was the queen. So blame Pran chole rebel's :blink:/> and blame me other first aleran's. I played dog turd, i haven't had a good game in a while.


D'rek came pretty damn close, and if she had not been killed off so early, I'm sure she would have had it figured it out lickety-split.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

View PostVengeance, on 22 July 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 16 July 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

View PostMonok Ochem, on 16 July 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Oh man. They're all losing their shit. I can't really blame them. If I was still in the game, I'd have been beyond blow up stage.


The thing is that they have been so so so close to lynching the queen multiple times now. I mean seriously follow through with a fucking lynch already. The first time was funny. The second was wow. Now it is just retarded. Obviously you can't trust anything that any of the vord have to say so just power lynch them.

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I'm sure it's easy for you to say.

If you were playing, and seeing the alts you kill respawn, you would also think, "what's the fucking point?"


Come on there had to be a point when you had Tiam at l-1 for the second time and the other vord started to say a bunch of shit and the lynch flipped off to Ryll that you went wait why did we lynch one vord over the other. hrmmm.... Why would the vord want us to lynch one over the other. Why are we listening to who them about who we want to lynch.


hey, don't point fingers at ME. I stated, quite clearly, that I didn't WANT them to lynch the Queen. Because it meant I'd be next.

As such, I've purpusefully put in zero effort in trying to figure the game out at that point. Blame the rebels for that clusterfuck.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:33 PM

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

View PostVengeance, on 22 July 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 22 July 2013 - 03:36 PM, said:

View PostPath-Shaper, on 16 July 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

View PostMonok Ochem, on 16 July 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

Oh man. They're all losing their shit. I can't really blame them. If I was still in the game, I'd have been beyond blow up stage.


The thing is that they have been so so so close to lynching the queen multiple times now. I mean seriously follow through with a fucking lynch already. The first time was funny. The second was wow. Now it is just retarded. Obviously you can't trust anything that any of the vord have to say so just power lynch them.

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I'm sure it's easy for you to say.

If you were playing, and seeing the alts you kill respawn, you would also think, "what's the fucking point?"


Come on there had to be a point when you had Tiam at l-1 for the second time and the other vord started to say a bunch of shit and the lynch flipped off to Ryll that you went wait why did we lynch one vord over the other. hrmmm.... Why would the vord want us to lynch one over the other. Why are we listening to who them about who we want to lynch.


hey, don't point fingers at ME. I stated, quite clearly, that I didn't WANT them to lynch the Queen. Because it meant I'd be next.

As such, I've purpusefully put in zero effort in trying to figure the game out at that point. Blame the rebels for that clusterfuck.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:36 PM

all things being said, morg45 didn't implode his team. So that's something.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:55 PM

Holy shit. This game was 10 times more complicated than I had guessed. Great game design, great play Khell, and everyone else too. And sorry HO for thinking you were a recruit half the game!

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

I have some general thoughts on the game, but i've already squandered the first half of the workday reasing spoilers, so my thoughts
ll wait till home time.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 05:01 PM

And now for some feedback on the game:

I thought the game was pretty well balanced, with the only thing I would have changed being the vord respawning each day. As a player, it was extremely demoralizing, and as an observer, I think it gave the vord a bit of an advantage over the other factions. If I had been the one to design the game (Which I couldn't have, this is way too confusing to design and balance for me) I would've made spawning the vord alts a less common thing, like maybe you can only spawn one alt each night, but you can choose where to spawn it, or giving each alt a "gestation period" where once an alt died, a full cycle would have to pass before it could respawn. Just some hindsight suggestions, but overall, the game was awesome.

And I wish there actually had been a juris macto ability, like duels in RotK (I think). I would've done it every day (After araris died, of course)
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 05:47 PM

View PostAzathmaster, on 22 July 2013 - 04:55 PM, said:

Holy shit. This game was 10 times more complicated than I had guessed. Great game design, great play Khell, and everyone else too. And sorry HO for thinking you were a recruit half the game!

Rep incoming. Mucho Rep.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 06:02 PM

View PostAzathmaster, on 22 July 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

And now for some feedback on the game:

I thought the game was pretty well balanced, with the only thing I would have changed being the vord respawning each day. As a player, it was extremely demoralizing, and as an observer, I think it gave the vord a bit of an advantage over the other factions. If I had been the one to design the game (Which I couldn't have, this is way too confusing to design and balance for me) I would've made spawning the vord alts a less common thing, like maybe you can only spawn one alt each night, but you can choose where to spawn it, or giving each alt a "gestation period" where once an alt died, a full cycle would have to pass before it could respawn. Just some hindsight suggestions, but overall, the game was awesome.

And I wish there actually had been a juris macto ability, like duels in RotK (I think). I would've done it every day (After araris died, of course)


I agree re: the vord respawning. If I had to run the same game, I'd definitely limit the amount of Vord that can be respawned in a day, along with lowering all the counters.
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Posted 22 July 2013 - 06:55 PM

Well played everyone! I'm sorry if it felt a bit disheartening at the end - I felt I had - or rather, the Ryllandaras part of me - played a role in that with its constant whinging at the game mechanics - all purely a tactical play, no actual slight on the game intended at all.


And I can see why the constant Vord respawning would be depressing too - but what people seemed to forget is that it still served a purpose: lynch them and they would have no night action, so it was still a useful (at times, very useful) activity, even if it wasn't the Vord Queen you hit.

Now also try and look at it from my point of view: 19 other players were pretty much 100% focused on just killing me, and factions be damned. Near the beginning of the game I asked Venge if he could even remember the last time a cult won in a game - and it seems that it took a 'cult' which didn't need to recruit to finally break that streak. At the midpoint of the game, following the reveal-fest, there wasn't even a danger of hitting the wrong target on your NAs. Indeed, even before that there was little danger, because the Vord respawning clearly identified the alts to go for for everybody else. I was killed and lynched and killed some more more times than anyone else in a single mafia game ever, and that too was pretty depressing at times, because up to 32 of every 36 hours was just spent praying that you wouldn't decide to lynch the correct alt (and then think that I was also actively trying to extend those days for as long as possible whilst my Decoy ability recharged the last few days!!). The amount of time and energy I invested into this game is not something I would consider doing again in a hurry (although, don't get me wrong, this was an immense role to play and I did love it).

At the same time, I was incredibly lucky at some points (which also possibly balanced out the 'bad luck' - or bad play - of losing the original alts so early on) with how decisions played out. Though I had a small part to play in that, I think D'rek being killed off early on was a massive boost to my chances, as not one of my alts could seemingly say a single damn thing without Nimander leaping all over it :blink: The modkills, though unfortunate for the game, also became a slice of good fortune.

With regards to Gnaw's points: First (and I know this comes from a biased viewpoint) I do think Blend and Venge made the correct decision to freeze at night. Freezing at night does not stop discussion. Yes, you don't know the outcomes of night actions, but it doesn't stop anyone from discussing the various permutations of possible actions. The only thing it stops is voting. Then, when you see the results afterward, you can judge what those night discussions were worth.

Second, while I agree with the general view that Gnaw's intentional modkill was unnecessary and damaging for his team, I'm not a fan of bans on certain players unless there is some serious personal attack (which, to my knowledge, has never occurred in Malazan mafia). I think it's one of those things where everyone needs to cool off for a few days, and remember that it was a game. Basically, I agree with and repeat what Shinrei said a few posts ago.

I had more to say but run out of time again! Well played to everyone once more and thanks again Blend for a wonderful role!!

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 07:13 PM

Just to add quickly, I had a ton of fun with coming up with different personalities for all of the alts! :)/>

If the Vord Queen doesn't make it into Mafia 200, then Tiammy and Rashy the singing lovers definitely should :blink:/>

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