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Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:40 AM

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View PostAlrin, on 21 June 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

An i7 won't necessarily help with gaming and in some cases will actually hinder your gaming experience. Hyper threading is a valuable tool for photo editing or high end rendering but adds next-to-nothing to your gaming experience and in a few games can actually create issues. Some benchmarks have shown the i5 actually outperforms the i7 in strictly gaming builds anyway.


You sure?
I could have sworn that wasn't the case with the Haswells...
Crap, and now I can't remember where I thought I read that. Well, any reduction in gaming performance would be minimal, and I'm pretty sure it would be made up for if you do heavy-ish multitasking. Keep it in mind, I'd have said going i5 over i7 is a fairly easy place to cut the price down a bit anyway.

Nope, not sure at all. I did mention I'm not quite up to snuff with my knowledge of Haswell architecture. My last build was Sandy Bridge and I've not really kept up to date with Intel's processor design beyond Ivy. I'm positive that with Sandy/Ivy Bridge chips the i5 was known to outperform the i7 in strictly gaming builds. It would come as no surprise to discover that's no longer the case with Haswell. I'd have to do some reading to be sure. I do agree that the benefits of an i7 for multi-tasking would negate any performance loss seen in games anyway, I just wouldn't recommend it in a budget system built for strictly gaming purposes (again based on my knowledge of Sandy/Ivy Bridge, not Haswell).
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Posted 27 June 2013 - 12:06 PM

View PostA Demon Llama!, on 22 June 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

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just use a tool to transfer your system drive to the ssd, no need for any work, takes no more than half an hour. Paragon ssd worked a treat for me.


Hmm yeah that would be good. But will it be a problem that my current drive with the OS is full and far exceeds the 120 gb SSD?



you can splice off data you dont want or move stuff like my documents etc. only keep system files on system drive
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Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:58 PM

View PostAlrin, on 27 June 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

View PostLucifer, on 26 June 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

View PostAlrin, on 21 June 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

An i7 won't necessarily help with gaming and in some cases will actually hinder your gaming experience. Hyper threading is a valuable tool for photo editing or high end rendering but adds next-to-nothing to your gaming experience and in a few games can actually create issues. Some benchmarks have shown the i5 actually outperforms the i7 in strictly gaming builds anyway.


You sure?
I could have sworn that wasn't the case with the Haswells...
Crap, and now I can't remember where I thought I read that. Well, any reduction in gaming performance would be minimal, and I'm pretty sure it would be made up for if you do heavy-ish multitasking. Keep it in mind, I'd have said going i5 over i7 is a fairly easy place to cut the price down a bit anyway.

Nope, not sure at all. I did mention I'm not quite up to snuff with my knowledge of Haswell architecture. My last build was Sandy Bridge and I've not really kept up to date with Intel's processor design beyond Ivy. I'm positive that with Sandy/Ivy Bridge chips the i5 was known to outperform the i7 in strictly gaming builds. It would come as no surprise to discover that's no longer the case with Haswell. I'd have to do some reading to be sure. I do agree that the benefits of an i7 for multi-tasking would negate any performance loss seen in games anyway, I just wouldn't recommend it in a budget system built for strictly gaming purposes (again based on my knowledge of Sandy/Ivy Bridge, not Haswell).


Yeah, we both agree it's an easy place to cut the price down a bit :p
And I am not all that sure if it's a problem or not with Haswell. I thought I had seen some benchmarks for comparison, but I couldn't find them, so eh.
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Posted 06 August 2020 - 01:11 PM

Instead of buying an X-box this fall, I've decided to buy a new PC.

I'm thinking of making it a little hobbyist project. I'll buy the parts, try to assemble them myself, fuck up terribly, rage at the injustice of the universe for a couple hours while watching trouble shooting videos and then likely abandon everything and buy a prebuilt piece of shit. Or something like that.

However I've seen that there's likely going to be new GPU and CPUs being released from both AMD and Intel this fall. So, the question for the PC enthusiasts on here, what should I be investing in? From what I can tell AMD have been making great leaps forward in terms of quality hardware. Meanwhile Intel seem to be resting on their laurels, releasing overpriced hardware. Back in the early 10s when a friend built me a PC, Intel was the must have GPU manufacturer because more games were compatible with their hardware/software.

If I don't mind dropping 1000-1500 USD on a GPU or a CPU, what should I be going for? As far as I understand the upcoming CPU's are built on a new 7nm manufacturing design, so is that "future proof" compared to say a slightly older but cheaper gen of hardware?

What about SSD's?
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Posted 06 August 2020 - 02:54 PM

View PostAptorian, on 06 August 2020 - 01:11 PM, said:



What about SSD's?




Best practice is two hard drives.

1 HDD hardrive for all your files
1 SSD for your OS, your demanding software, and your games.
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Posted 06 August 2020 - 04:36 PM

Just give Alienware a blank check and say "have at it jackholes, make my thrills manifest and real. Also, throw in those cool green looking tubey thingies so it looks like I'm doing alien autopsy."
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 04:44 AM

View PostAptorian, on 06 August 2020 - 01:11 PM, said:

Instead of buying an X-box this fall, I've decided to buy a new PC.

I'm thinking of making it a little hobbyist project. I'll buy the parts, try to assemble them myself, fuck up terribly, rage at the injustice of the universe for a couple hours while watching trouble shooting videos and then likely abandon everything and buy a prebuilt piece of shit. Or something like that.

However I've seen that there's likely going to be new GPU and CPUs being released from both AMD and Intel this fall. So, the question for the PC enthusiasts on here, what should I be investing in? From what I can tell AMD have been making great leaps forward in terms of quality hardware. Meanwhile Intel seem to be resting on their laurels, releasing overpriced hardware. Back in the early 10s when a friend built me a PC, Intel was the must have GPU manufacturer because more games were compatible with their hardware/software.

If I don't mind dropping 1000-1500 USD on a GPU or a CPU, what should I be going for? As far as I understand the upcoming CPU's are built on a new 7nm manufacturing design, so is that "future proof" compared to say a slightly older but cheaper gen of hardware?

What about SSD's?


AMD CPUs are what the next-gen consoles are gonna be using. Ryzen 2 (the 3xxx series) are good value for your cash; Zen 3 are out next year. Intel is generally considered to be top performance, but they're expensive and still using 11 nm; their foray into 7 nm has been delayed to next year for commercial release.

GPUs: NVidia's rtx 30xx series are out this fall. For Nvidia, this is the second version of ray-tracing cards (AMD's Big Navi cards will be their first real foray into ray-tracing). No idea what the prices will be yet, but Nvidia's DLSS 2.0 tech is a software super-sampling that lets you upscale your 1440p resolution to 4k for A LOT less power needed. So some people believe that's the future, and if you're looking at resolutions above 1080p, that's something to consider. I really can't tell you much about AMD's cards at this point, except apparently they've also been getting better, and they improved their driver support a lot.


SSDs: so this is a bit tricky, since there's 2 types of SSDs. The more widely available and cheaper SATAs use the same cable connection as a hard-drive or a disk drive to connect to your motherboard. These have a read/write speed capped at about 500 mB/s- huge compared to hard drives, and generally good enough to run your OS.

However, both next-gen consoles are gonna be using NVME SSDs- which are much smaller, basically flash drives that slot directly into your motherboard. These are the ones with top read/write speeds of gigabytes/second. They interface with the PCIE slot (those same slots your GPU slots into). Current tech, PCIE 3.0 is limited at about 4 gB/s, I believe. PCIE 4.0 is theoretically capable of speeds higher than the PS5, but they're still in a design/test stage; that tech will be rolled out probably within the next 2 years, if I understand correctly. At that point, it will get rolled out on motherboards, but there's no telling who will be the first to support it, AMD or Intel. Intel's first stab at new CPU architecture isn't coming until next year, so overall impression is they've gotten pretty complacent and AMD's hot on their heels, and they were first to the punch with 7 nm tech.

Ideally, you want an NVME SSD to future-proof for games; however, for anything this gen, the difference between a SATA and NVME SSD is negligible- while the prices aren't; there's no unanimous opinion on how "next gen" games will work on PC, and whether they'll require an NVME SSD, or whether you're good enough with a SATA (there's an opinion that slotting in extra RAM (which is much cheaper) can compensate for the slower read/write speeds on the SSD). The only "Next Gen" game that's currently got system requirements out in the open is The Medium, and the Steam page doesn't mention anything about an SSD. The other one that we know of (Godfall) doesn't have it's system requirements up yet over on the EGS.

Personally, I'm banking on the fact that very few devs will be willing to demand a high-speed NVME from their PC audience. I'm counting on my 2Tb SATA SSD to do some serious heavy lifting for the next few years and be sufficient for most games. But at this point it's too early to tell for sure.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 03:07 PM

Does a computer care that you're using a CPU from one manufacturer and a GPU from another? I'd suspect there would be some fuckery when you hooked up a Ryzen CPU to your motherboard with the latest RTX what ever from Nvidia. Or at least some synergy from using the same products from the same manufacturer.

I kind of want to order a Threadripper just because of how crazy they sound but it seems like overkill if you're just playing vidya games and browsing pornhub. And of course Nvidia's raytracing cards sound sexy.

I definitely want something state of the art for a primary SSD harddrive. Going from a gaming PC to a PS4 has been murder in terms of waiting on load times.

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 03:36 PM

View PostAptorian, on 07 August 2020 - 03:07 PM, said:

Does a computer care that you're using a CPU from one manufacturer and a GPU from another? I'd suspect there would be some fuckery when you hooked up a Ryzen CPU to your motherboard with the latest RTX what ever from Nvidia. Or at least some synergy from using the same products from the same manufacturer.

I kind of want to order a Threadripper just because of how crazy they sound but it seems like overkill if you're just playing vidya games and browsing pornhub. And of course Nvidia's raytracing cards sound sexy.

I definitely want something state of the art for a primary SSD harddrive. Going from a gaming PC to a PS4 has been murder in terms of waiting on load times.


I've been running AMD CPUs and Nvidia GPUs combo for over a decade. I don't think there's any particular "synergy" I'm missing out on. in terms of GPUs, different games get marketing deals (and better support) from opposing manufacturers and so they can run somewhat more efficiently on the respective cards, or have optional ability to make use of proprietory effects, but it's rarely anything major.

Honestly, there's a ton of benchmarks around for what CPUs run what how. A lot depends at what resolution you're aiming for- 1080p, 1440, or 4K. That's really what'll have the most impact on your budget.

And as I said, NVME SSDs are the future. But it's an expensive future.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 03:52 PM

View PostMentalist, on 07 August 2020 - 03:36 PM, said:

And as I said, NVME SSDs are the future. But it's an expensive future.


Googled some NVME SSDs recommended by PC gamer and that doesn't look "that" expensive.

https://www.pcgamer.com/best-nvme-ssd/
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 05:55 PM

View PostAptorian, on 07 August 2020 - 03:52 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 07 August 2020 - 03:36 PM, said:

And as I said, NVME SSDs are the future. But it's an expensive future.


Googled some NVME SSDs recommended by PC gamer and that doesn't look "that" expensive.

https://www.pcgamer.com/best-nvme-ssd/


yes, but it's all relative. I recently bought a 10 TB external HDD for like 350 CAD. So paying 150 USD for 1 TB still feels ludicrous, even though I know the difference in speeds is night and day.

That's my problem, though. I'm a digital hoarder, and I dont' like the idea of swapping stuff out of a (relatively) tiny storage drive.

That, plus my internet speeds aren't particularly great, so re-downloading a 60+ GB game is not super-trivial.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 07 August 2020 - 07:00 PM

How much in US currency would buying a quality gaming rig be? I will need a new computer in the future and want to head that direction next. But I kind of need a target for budgeting purposes. Basically, I want to know if you can get a high quality rig already made for 2K? 5K? 10K? I know the pricing is variable, but ballpark figures?



Edit: I did observe price discussions in the earlier thread, but that was for 2013.

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Posted 07 August 2020 - 08:06 PM

First you have to narrow down what "quality" means. Are you looking for top of the line, best thing on the market? People can put 10+k into that easily. But they're usually using it for things that you wouldn't do (at least, I think).

If you are looking for a decent gaming computer now, you could spend less than $1500 and get a very good computer for most purposes.

https://pcgamehaven.com/how-much-should-you-spend-gaming-pc/#:~:text=Or%2C%20you%20could%20go%20the,experience%20you're%20aiming%20for.
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Posted 08 August 2020 - 04:11 PM

"High Quality" is an incredibly relative term.

Are you gonna be gaming on a 4K monitor? will you be hooking up your gaming rig to a 60+ inch 4K TV? or do you just want to run games maxed out on a 1080p or a 1440p monitor with a 60fps refresh rate?

Depending on this, a "high quality PC" could cost you $1200-1500.... or 5k+

your wallet's the limiting factor in how insane you can get with PC building.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 08 September 2020 - 02:42 PM

Been trying to figure out optimal pc builds I could build myself and I've come to the conclusion that it's honestly easier to just buy a PC I pick the pieces for and get it built for me instead. The amount of potential bullshit issues I was reading about was more than I care to deal with, just to save 500 USD.

With an AMD 3900x CPU and a RTX 3080 GPU and various other high end goodies I'll end up somewhere around 3500 USD, assembled, ready to use and with a 3 year warranty. Which is more or less what I was looking to spend.

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:43 PM

AMD is showing off their Zen3 in early Oct. Might wanna wait for the specs on those before ordering a new build.
-getting a Zen3-compatible motherboard guarantees you PCiE 4.0 slots for higher-speed NVME SSDs; Intel mobos are behind the curve on this.

Also, AMD is showing off its new GPUs end of Oct. This is gonna be the same RDNA2 architecture that's powering next gen consoles; however it seems unlikely they'll catch up to NVidia on ray-tracing tech just yet.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 September 2020 - 05:06 PM

Arh, what are you doing to me, Ment?! I feel like there's always another new thing around the corner... But... Hmm. Okay I can wait another month.
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Posted 09 September 2020 - 07:05 PM

View PostAptorian, on 09 September 2020 - 05:06 PM, said:

Arh, what are you doing to me, Ment?! I feel like there's always another new thing around the corner... But... Hmm. Okay I can wait another month.


potentially saving you money? lmao.
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And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 09 September 2020 - 07:17 PM

Money, schmoney.

I'm looking up info on the potential release dates for their Ryzen 4000 series and it sounds like it will release earliest ... Edit: Late October?

Sigh. I might not have the patience but I've got a week or two to think about it while I wait for RTX 3080 to come out.

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Posted 10 September 2020 - 07:17 AM

On an aside, while googling stuff I've come across a bunch of tech influencers on YouTube.

Especially Linus Tech Tips videos are highly entertaining. I don't understand most of what they're talking about but it's fascinating seeing them build weird stuff or testing highly specialised and extremely expensive stuff.

It's sort of like watching all those cooking shows around 2010.
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