[Ryllandaras]

Tiamatha, on 28 June 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Fener, on 28 June 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

If these votes to PS are iron man, why isn't PS noting them?

An excellent excellent excellent question! How in the heck has no one asked this yet?


Because, my dear, you have to have faith /> No divine help, no guidance on this one.


Have you not realised what I am? What Blend has created here? I am the anti-mafia player! No speculation, no opinions, no voting, nothing to back me up in immediate terms other than a promise of tomorrow, nothing in the OP, mass revealing of a role...ARGH! I wish I could say more! />

Sorry to harp on, but this is really the biggest example. This 'just go with it, even if it doesn't make much sense'. And if this is true, then I'm sorry, it's just not a very good mechanic in my eyes.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 2. 2 hours 17 minutes remaining.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

12 votes to lynch, 12 votes to go to night.

1 votes for Tiamatha (Nimander Golit)
1 vote for Tellan (Ultama)
1 vote for Nimander Golit (Korbas)
1 vote for Barghast (Trake)
1 vote for Okaros (Emurlahn)
3 vote for Trake (Korbas, Gait, Fener)

Players not voted: Thus bitches who's hasn't voted yet's.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 June 2013 - 01:55 PM

[Ryllandaras]

What is the case on Trake? For possibly asking for a heal?

[Korbas]

Ryll will you stop harping on. 2 hours to go and you are rehashing the last few hours. Why not coordinate a lynch and then discuss this tomorrow when we have more information? Jesus!

[Ryllandaras]

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

Ryll will you stop harping on. 2 hours to go and you are rehashing the last few hours. Why not coordinate a lynch and then discuss this tomorrow when we have more information? Jesus!

I'm of a mind to coordinate a lynch on you.

[Korbas]

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 01:57 PM, said:

Ryll will you stop harping on. 2 hours to go and you are rehashing the last few hours. Why not coordinate a lynch and then discuss this tomorrow when we have more information? Jesus!

I'm of a mind to coordinate a lynch on you.

Because you love me?

[Korbas]

On a serious note Ryll, we may be able to verify Tiamatha tomorrow. It is obvious the lynch has moved away from him yet you want to go back and talk about it, when we want to try and get a lynch. in. It doesn't really help us and that was my point. I am all for discussing things like that earlier in the day but with 2 hours to go and votes spread thin, it stalls the lynch train IF we are going to get one.

[Gait]

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

What is the case on Trake? For possibly asking for a heal?

He is fishy, attacks everyone he can. Acts like he knows things we don't. I don't like him.

[Ryllandaras]

I think I would want to go for one of the people who was on Fener's lynch train, as a possible Vord. Emur, I think, did a summary of their actions thus far. Let me dig it up.

[Gait]

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Here's the train: Liosan, Korbas, Okaros, Alkend, Trake, Gait, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Emurlahn, Ultama, Demelain, Tellan

I reread the posts from all of these people and wrote down thoughts:


Liosan -- likes "futbol" which is worthy of a vote. Claimed Gait was symping Fener and started the Fener train.
Korbas -- voted Tiamatha quickly. Later voted Nimander without removing vote. Kind of sloppy, makes me think it could be someone in two alts. Doesn't like Liosan. Doesn't like Nimander, jumped on Nimander shortly after Nimander voted Tiamatha.
Okaros -- doesn't like Gait or Trake. Voted Fener because he thought Gait was symping Fener. But voted Trake for thinking Trake was symping Tiamatha. Inconsistent logic.
Alkend -- has said "Vord" or something about the Vord in almost half of his post count. Suspcious of Demelain.
Trake -- doesn't like Monok. Quoted Ryll when talking to Nimander. Doesn't like Ryll, Gait, or Fener. Said he can't use Earth furies.
Gait -- voted Ryll, accepted train on Fener. Heavily disliked lol...
HP -- not much here, voted for a lynch. Noticed he conversed with Demelain a few times... not the only person to do so. Maybe symping Demelain?
Pran -- Doesn't like Ryll, Nim, or Fener. Voted to get a lynch. Has mentioned "catching up" or "rereading" every time but doesn't offer much analysis. Doesn't like Trake.
Emurlahn -- paragon of innocence
Ultama -- doesn't like Tellan. Doesn't appear to like Gait or Emur (me). Supported Nimander earlier.
Demelain -- biggest poster other than Fener, could explain why he's constantly replied to. Suspicious of HP due to vote timing.
Tellan -- the hammer, hammered at 1 minute making it impossible to tell why Fener wasn't lynched. Doesn't like Trake. Suspicious of Alkend.

Alkend sticks out for the incessant discussion of "Vord." Tellan stands out for the crappy way he handled the lynch. Okaros was inconsistent in his voting reasons. Demelain may have been symped. Those are probably the four I'm looking at for a vote right now.

Trake was on Fener train, started it then removed vote and then voted back. pretty fishy ...

[Trake]

Tiamatha, on 28 June 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

I am Alera. There are consequences to every decision you make about me. Even choosing nothing is a consequence: the consequence of the status quo.

However. Should I be lynched, or killed:

Any, every, and all fury abilities are de-buffed. Some are locked off entirely. For a period of 120 hours - or 3 full game days and nights, if you prefer.

Remove vote
Vote Tiamatha

Sorry, can't buy that.

[Ryllandaras]

Here it is:

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Here's the train: Liosan, Korbas, Okaros, Alkend, Trake, Gait, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Emurlahn, Ultama, Demelain, Tellan

I reread the posts from all of these people and wrote down thoughts:


Liosan -- likes "futbol" which is worthy of a vote. Claimed Gait was symping Fener and started the Fener train.
Korbas -- voted Tiamatha quickly. Later voted Nimander without removing vote. Kind of sloppy, makes me think it could be someone in two alts. Doesn't like Liosan. Doesn't like Nimander, jumped on Nimander shortly after Nimander voted Tiamatha.
Okaros -- doesn't like Gait or Trake. Voted Fener because he thought Gait was symping Fener. But voted Trake for thinking Trake was symping Tiamatha. Inconsistent logic.
Alkend -- has said "Vord" or something about the Vord in almost half of his post count. Suspcious of Demelain.
Trake -- doesn't like Monok. Quoted Ryll when talking to Nimander. Doesn't like Ryll, Gait, or Fener. Said he can't use Earth furies.
Gait -- voted Ryll, accepted train on Fener. Heavily disliked lol...
HP -- not much here, voted for a lynch. Noticed he conversed with Demelain a few times... not the only person to do so. Maybe symping Demelain?
Pran -- Doesn't like Ryll, Nim, or Fener. Voted to get a lynch. Has mentioned "catching up" or "rereading" every time but doesn't offer much analysis. Doesn't like Trake.
Emurlahn -- paragon of innocence
Ultama -- doesn't like Tellan. Doesn't appear to like Gait or Emur (me). Supported Nimander earlier.
Demelain -- biggest poster other than Fener, could explain why he's constantly replied to. Suspicious of HP due to vote timing.
Tellan -- the hammer, hammered at 1 minute making it impossible to tell why Fener wasn't lynched. Doesn't like Trake. Suspicious of Alkend.

Alkend sticks out for the incessant discussion of "Vord." Tellan stands out for the crappy way he handled the lynch. Okaros was inconsistent in his voting reasons. Demelain may have been symped. Those are probably the four I'm looking at for a vote right now.

Korbas for his staunch suspicion of Nimander and belief in Tiam makes me suspicious that he knows some things. Emur points out an inconsistency in Okaros' approach in another post of his where he votes for Okaros. Alkend and Vord talk is suspicious - those who talk about it the most, etc. Gait possibly for defending Fener but then voting for him anyway. Pran Chole for not offering much. Ultama for talking about possible non-votes just before it happened, that one really stuck out for me - Emur doesn't mention that either. Trake did not like the analysis that Emur did of him, said he doesn't dislike me. Possible attempted sympage makes me wary there.


Those are the ones most suspicious to me from the train. I'd prefer Ultama first, Pran for keeping mainly shtum, Alkend for Vord talk, and then Trake.

[Korbas]

Tango zero nine, Oscar, Whisky, Whisky Delta.

This is a transmission from Calderon, we are under heavy fire, may need to vacate the city.

Over.

Tango Zero Zero eight, Charlie Charlie Echo,

After Earth, this is Alera Imperia, we are prepared to take on civilians but you will have to take a detour through Riva to get here.

Over.

Tango Zero Seven, Whisky Whisky Delta.

On route to Riva will let you know when we land.

Over.

[Nimander Golit]

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

I think Nimander is worried because he has already stated he was attacked last night. A leader asking for a heal? He is worried that if attacks are boosted then his heal could be penetrated.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never stated I was attacked last night. What the fuck are you just making up random lies now? Go find me saying that and quote it. I fucking dare you. Do it and if you're right I will vote for myself every fucking day.

But of course you can't, because you are just a fuckwit who decides to just make up things like that and pretend that they are facts.

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

The reason I am voting Nimander is his obsession with Tiam. If Tiam is right and can boost abilities then this may help us against the Vord Queen. If Tiam is wrong and he is just a vord spawn then he is not a big fish.

Maybe you, as a Vord with hive-mind communication or a rebel leader or some shit have tons of information, but you forget that in MAFIA most roles do NOT have a lot of information. In a TMDI 10+ game, the most important thing for the "town" or "townish" (and in this case First Aleran + Loyalists are clearly a sort of town due to being the good guys and having an assumed high number of combined players with similar VCs) players is to get information and figure out the game. What you are encouraging is that most players who have no information just run around blindly for a few days just so we can get some little "boost" to our shitty furies, and then on Day 5 finally start figuring out the game, at which point we will not know anything more than we knew on Day 1, but the Vord will have taken over 2 more tiles and a few players will likely be dead.

That is a losing scenario.

The Vord obviously have the ability to infest faster than we can fortify, or the croach mechanic would be completely useless and/or the Vord would start with half the map infested. So losing a few roles and a few tiles is likely going to push us beyond a tipping point where it will be very, very difficult for us to win back against the Vord and the players they've recruited by then. But you want us to sit in a circle and do fuck all listening to Tiam, just so we can get some vague promise of a slight "boost" to our abilities that will take at least 3 days to actually be noticeable, with no current factual evidence to indicate that this is even possible.



My plan, on the other hand (vote off Tiam, see if she what the fuck she is) gives us a whole lot of new information by the end of day 2 that we can then act upon before we reach that tipping point.

We find out that Tiam was somewhat telling the truth and was an independent player? Then we KNOW that there are factors beyond what is stated in the OP, like independent players, and that there can be hidden mechanics in the game. We miss out on a vague, unspecified "boost" that would have affected only some players (for any given fury type, there will probably only be a handful of players with that fury type) several days later, and it would have helped the Rebels and maybe the Vord, too. It's really no big loss.

OR, we find out that Tiam was Vord? Then already after Day 2 we know that new alts appearing is a Vord mechanic and we can be damn sure that we'll need to use our Attacks against the spawning Vord while trying to find and lynch the queen(s). Furthermore it gives us insight into how the Vord work - that they have an alt-spawning mechanic that can presumably get bigger and overrun us, so we can start looking at how to keep them suppressed.

OR, we find out Tiam is something else that is not even being discussed as a possibility right now? Then we will know THAT now, instead of waiting until Day 5 to lynch Tiam and find it out!


How on earth can you justify this vague promise of an ability "boost" that you don't even know what it will do and would only happen 2 days down the line being a higher priority than getting crucial information now that will help us to understand this game and give us a chance to work together as a pair of factions and win? It's like playing M&P and you'd rather be an Herbalist than a Finder. It's so downright stupid that it's suspicious.

[Gait]

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Tango zero nine, Oscar, Whisky, Whisky Delta.

This is a transmission from Calderon, we are under heavy fire, may need to vacate the city.

Over.

Tango Zero Zero eight, Charlie Charlie Echo,

After Earth, this is Alera Imperia, we are prepared to take on civilians but you will have to take a detour through Riva to get here.

Over.

Tango Zero Seven, Whisky Whisky Delta.

On route to Riva will let you know when we land.

Over.

Errm, Are you alright?

[Trake]

Gait, on 28 June 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

He also has water and earth, at least. Probably all of them.

How the heck is he so sure about Fener's furies?

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I'm going to go on record and say I think Tiam is legit.
I'm also going to Vote Barghast
just because he's too quiet and I don't like that alt.

He tries really hard to stop Tiam's lynch, you can start talking the symp&master BS now but right now it's better if we don't lynch the master.

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 03:58 PM, said:

Well, then, like I said. We vote for abilities that only benefit us.
Using the Attack ability too much and too wildly is pretty bad. I don't know about you, but I don't have a pretty good picture of my faction right now. I'd be shooting in the dark. At least with voting, there's some kind of consensus. As well as that, at least some of the mechanics of the attacks and modifiers seem to rely on sharing squares with your target. Maybe you'll be lucky and hit someone, but there's a good chance you won't. Next, some of the passive abilities can protect you; it says this in the OP. Unless they were just placeholders, they seem pretty powerful, defensively. Finally, you can be healed.
For example, I was attacked last night, but also healed. The net damage to me was 0.

Also here it seems like he is asking for a heal.

Basically I don't like Trake and I would like him to be lynched.

I wasn't asking for a heal. I was stating that someone attacked me, and someone healed me; therefore the "attack" ability is pretty useless unless you're able to co-ordinate it or you're really lucky.

Fener, on 28 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Gait, on 28 June 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

Vote Trake


See above.

@Fener: He still says you have access to all furies, I wanna know how he knows (?) that.

Good point, the only mention of Earth (I think) I've made is in relation to people being able to observe the effects if fortifications increase substantially.

Remove Vote

Vote Trake

Fairly simple. See below.

Fener, on 26 June 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

No, I can Fortify as can anyone who can use Earth, I also have an ability that *removes* some croach. [...snip]

Doesn't necessarily mean he can use Earth, but the fact that he says "as can anyone who can use Earth" instead of just "I can fortify" suggests he has access to Earth Furies.

Gait, on 28 June 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

Ryllandaras, on 28 June 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

What is the case on Trake? For possibly asking for a heal?

He is fishy, attacks everyone he can. Acts like he knows things we don't. I don't like him.

I don't attack everyone.

[Tellan]

Woke up and just caught up, don't have as much time as I'd like this morning.

My thoughts: I still really really don't like TIam, especially now that she's "revealed" what will happen if we try to lynch or NA her. Plus, she's admitted no confirmation from PS... couching it all in this "oooo the most anti-mafia player ever~". :| Right.

That said, Trake has been near the top of my own suspect list - I did ask him about his Fener vote-remove vote-then Fener again on Day 1.

We have 1 hour 30ish minutes left. I'll try to come back before end of day, but no guarantees.


vote Trake

[Nimander Golit]

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

There are only 4 First Aleran Members. I am 90% sure of this. Each +1 fortification is because of one of those members. I am unsure about the +2's.

I hope this helps with faction numbers.

What the fuck are you talking about now? This is just blatant misinformation spreading. You clearly don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and in fact, do not really understand the OP at all, do you? As much as this is a faction game, as stated above there's still a clear "townish" side. And town does not benefit from spreading misinformation to itself, so you are evidently not a Loyalist or First Aleran, then.

[Korbas]

Nimander Golit, on 28 June 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

I think Nimander is worried because he has already stated he was attacked last night. A leader asking for a heal? He is worried that if attacks are boosted then his heal could be penetrated.

What the fuck are you talking about? I never stated I was attacked last night. What the fuck are you just making up random lies now? Go find me saying that and quote it. I fucking dare you. Do it and if you're right I will vote for myself every fucking day.

But of course you can't, because you are just a fuckwit who decides to just make up things like that and pretend that they are facts.

Korbas, on 28 June 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

The reason I am voting Nimander is his obsession with Tiam. If Tiam is right and can boost abilities then this may help us against the Vord Queen. If Tiam is wrong and he is just a vord spawn then he is not a big fish.

Maybe you, as a Vord with hive-mind communication or a rebel leader or some shit have tons of information, but you forget that in MAFIA most roles do NOT have a lot of information. In a TMDI 10+ game, the most important thing for the "town" or "townish" (and in this case First Aleran + Loyalists are clearly a sort of town due to being the good guys and having an assumed high number of combined players with similar VCs) players is to get information and figure out the game. What you are encouraging is that most players who have no information just run around blindly for a few days just so we can get some little "boost" to our shitty furies, and then on Day 5 finally start figuring out the game, at which point we will not know anything more than we knew on Day 1, but the Vord will have taken over 2 more tiles and a few players will likely be dead.

That is a losing scenario.

The Vord obviously have the ability to infest faster than we can fortify, or the croach mechanic would be completely useless and/or the Vord would start with half the map infested. So losing a few roles and a few tiles is likely going to push us beyond a tipping point where it will be very, very difficult for us to win back against the Vord and the players they've recruited by then. But you want us to sit in a circle and do fuck all listening to Tiam, just so we can get some vague promise of a slight "boost" to our abilities that will take at least 3 days to actually be noticeable, with no current factual evidence to indicate that this is even possible.



My plan, on the other hand (vote off Tiam, see if she what the fuck she is) gives us a whole lot of new information by the end of day 2 that we can then act upon before we reach that tipping point.

We find out that Tiam was somewhat telling the truth and was an independent player? Then we KNOW that there are factors beyond what is stated in the OP, like independent players, and that there can be hidden mechanics in the game. We miss out on a vague, unspecified "boost" that would have affected only some players (for any given fury type, there will probably only be a handful of players with that fury type) several days later, and it would have helped the Rebels and maybe the Vord, too. It's really no big loss.

OR, we find out that Tiam was Vord? Then already after Day 2 we know that new alts appearing is a Vord mechanic and we can be damn sure that we'll need to use our Attacks against the spawning Vord while trying to find and lynch the queen(s). Furthermore it gives us insight into how the Vord work - that they have an alt-spawning mechanic that can presumably get bigger and overrun us, so we can start looking at how to keep them suppressed.

OR, we find out Tiam is something else that is not even being discussed as a possibility right now? Then we will know THAT now, instead of waiting until Day 5 to lynch Tiam and find it out!


How on earth can you justify this vague promise of an ability "boost" that you don't even know what it will do and would only happen 2 days down the line being a higher priority than getting crucial information now that will help us to understand this game and give us a chance to work together as a pair of factions and win? It's like playing M&P and you'd rather be an Herbalist than a Finder. It's so downright stupid that it's suspicious.

And the possibility of us losing our abilities?

Regarding your opening quote is the reason I swapped my vote to Trake, it was him who said it not you.

[Trake]

Gait, on 28 June 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 June 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:

Here's the train: Liosan, Korbas, Okaros, Alkend, Trake, Gait, Hood's Path, Pran Chole, Emurlahn, Ultama, Demelain, Tellan

I reread the posts from all of these people and wrote down thoughts:


Liosan -- likes "futbol" which is worthy of a vote. Claimed Gait was symping Fener and started the Fener train.
Korbas -- voted Tiamatha quickly. Later voted Nimander without removing vote. Kind of sloppy, makes me think it could be someone in two alts. Doesn't like Liosan. Doesn't like Nimander, jumped on Nimander shortly after Nimander voted Tiamatha.
Okaros -- doesn't like Gait or Trake. Voted Fener because he thought Gait was symping Fener. But voted Trake for thinking Trake was symping Tiamatha. Inconsistent logic.
Alkend -- has said "Vord" or something about the Vord in almost half of his post count. Suspcious of Demelain.
Trake -- doesn't like Monok. Quoted Ryll when talking to Nimander. Doesn't like Ryll, Gait, or Fener. Said he can't use Earth furies.
Gait -- voted Ryll, accepted train on Fener. Heavily disliked lol...
HP -- not much here, voted for a lynch. Noticed he conversed with Demelain a few times... not the only person to do so. Maybe symping Demelain?
Pran -- Doesn't like Ryll, Nim, or Fener. Voted to get a lynch. Has mentioned "catching up" or "rereading" every time but doesn't offer much analysis. Doesn't like Trake.
Emurlahn -- paragon of innocence
Ultama -- doesn't like Tellan. Doesn't appear to like Gait or Emur (me). Supported Nimander earlier.
Demelain -- biggest poster other than Fener, could explain why he's constantly replied to. Suspicious of HP due to vote timing.
Tellan -- the hammer, hammered at 1 minute making it impossible to tell why Fener wasn't lynched. Doesn't like Trake. Suspicious of Alkend.

Alkend sticks out for the incessant discussion of "Vord." Tellan stands out for the crappy way he handled the lynch. Okaros was inconsistent in his voting reasons. Demelain may have been symped. Those are probably the four I'm looking at for a vote right now.

Trake was on Fener train, started it then removed vote and then voted back. pretty fishy ...

Because I really expected my first vote on the pig to matter hugely. I would have preferred to investigate others, as well. I resigned myself to the pig because that was where it was going and I didn't really lose either way. I've explained this a couple of times. Removing a vote and then voting back isn't suspicious, it's because I wanted a lynch.