[Ultama]

Pran Chole said:

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Also, please tell me where it sounded like I was giving him a pass.

It was sometime back during the Mockra lynch I think. I'd go find it but have taken the nightly meds and so must trundle off.

[Pran Chole]

Ultama, on 09 July 2013 - 02:24 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 09 July 2013 - 02:16 AM, said:

Also, please tell me where it sounded like I was giving him a pass.

It was sometime back during the Mockra lynch I think. I'd go find it but have taken the nightly meds and so must trundle off.

I was out of town for the Mockra lynch. I got home during the following night phase.

[Monok Ochem]

Pran Chole, on 09 July 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 09 July 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Wrong. I had posted the suspicious similarity in Alkend and Mockra previously, but it went nowhere, and on its own, wasn't extremely damning. Then I reposted the post I made, but only because it had already linked the two posts by Alkend and Mockra that looked the same. I also added, this time, the fact that Mockra had tried to jump onto the Tiam lynch late, but was not needed. This made me rethink the Alkend-Mockra link, and it was post #998. It was Ultama who then found an additional slip by Mockra, when he saw my post, and decided it was worth looking into Mockra, and his post was #999, and here after my post, Ultama votes Mockra, agreeing with my post above. The next post, #1000, Demelain votes Mockra.

So I'm not sure why you are trying to purposely cofuse the facts behind my find, but it doesn't look good for you. My linking of Mockra and Alkend post-style, then noting of Mockra attempting to jump onto the late Tiam lynch came first, and right after came Ultama's slip-up by Mockra, but it was the combined posts that created instantly the Mockra lynch. Nice attempt at trying to make my work seem far less than it was, and trying to discredit an obvious catch on a slip by two Vord players. Are you mad because they were on your team? So with 50% OMGUS/50% genuine worry over why Ryllandaras would purposely try to confuse the facts of my Alkend and Mockra cases -

remove vote
vote Ryllandaras

I find it laughable that you use the term cases regarding Alkend and Mockra. I reviewed all your posts and this is your entire "case" on either one of them:

Monok Ochem, on 28 June 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

I will say I believe Alkend and Mockra are the same player, but it's semi-wild speculation.

Monok Ochem, on 28 June 2013 - 03:55 PM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 08:43 AM, said:

Korbas, on 26 June 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

Alkend, on 26 June 2013 - 07:43 AM, said:

Lots and lots of talk about the Vord. I guess that means we're going on a bug hunt (are they bugs? That's what I'm imagining in my head).

Any reason we wouldn't go after the Vord? Their goal is to eliminate us all, everyone has a Vord elimination VC. Makes sense no?

When you put it like that, yeah. But for most the VC is to eliminate the Vord Queen and fuck (not literally) the rest of the Vord. One individual between twenty-something players might take a while to track down. I'm certainly not expecting the factions to remain the bestest of friends if it does end up a long chase.
It might be tough to not have this game go the way such books always go (and I bet in the Alera series too). Loads of squabbling and fighting between various armies/petty nations etc, whilst a bigger threat grows ever stronger in the background.
Very fun-looking setup this!

Mockra, on 25 June 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

Hi all! Looks to be a fun/confusing one this!

Is this expression common elsewhere? It's not here, so if so, this is nothing, plus I don't have my notes, and can't remember the other really petty things I found. I'm not advocating their lynch really, just tossing anything at all I have put there.

Monok Ochem, on 03 July 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

I remember thinking Alkend and Mockra were the same person, and we now know Alkend was Vord, and Mockra tried to jump on the last lynch train after it was too late. It may be nothing, but I'd look at Mockra more closely.

Prior to those insightful and devastating comments you had precisely 1 interaction or even mention with/of either one: a brief back and forth with Mockra over Vord VCs.

I will point out that this is indicative of your play all game. You'll come on and say one or two things, agree with the train of the minute and then vanish. Until I voted you. Now you appear and start trying to look like a contributor. I don't like it and that's why you remain my #1 Vord suspect.

Yes, this is called doing my best, and as much as possible due to limited time given a normal week, and extraordinary given the holiday week. No, I have no defense against these accusations. I did what I could, when I could, and will continue to do so.

[Monok Ochem]

Ryllandaras, on 09 July 2013 - 02:02 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 09 July 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:

Wrong. I had posted the suspicious similarity in Alkend and Mockra previously, but it went nowhere, and on its own, wasn't extremely damning. Then I reposted the post I made, but only because it had already linked the two posts by Alkend and Mockra that looked the same. I also added, this time, the fact that Mockra had tried to jump onto the Tiam lynch late, but was not needed. This made me rethink the Alkend-Mockra link, and it was post #998. It was Ultama who then found an additional slip by Mockra, when he saw my post, and decided it was worth looking into Mockra, and his post was #999, and here after my post, Ultama votes Mockra, agreeing with my post above. The next post, #1000, Demelain votes Mockra.

So I'm not sure why you are trying to purposely cofuse the facts behind my find, but it doesn't look good for you. My linking of Mockra and Alkend post-style, then noting of Mockra attempting to jump onto the late Tiam lynch came first, and right after came Ultama's slip-up by Mockra, but it was the combined posts that created instantly the Mockra lynch. Nice attempt at trying to make my work seem far less than it was, and trying to discredit an obvious catch on a slip by two Vord players. Are you mad because they were on your team? So with 50% OMGUS/50% genuine worry over why Ryllandaras would purposely try to confuse the facts of my Alkend and Mockra cases -

remove vote
vote Ryllandaras

That's in part a misread from me about what you meant when you said you brought up Alkend-Mockra after Alkend's CF, and in part what happens when you look at posts to an extent just from searching for that particular person's name.

For the former part, I thought that you meant that was the FIRST TIME you'd ever brought it up, which wasn't the case. But apparently that's not what you meant. So my bad. For the latter part, you're correct in saying that Ultama only investigated because you brought up the link again, so yes, you were more involved in catching Mockra than I gave you credit it for. I missed it because I was looking through your posts, not Ultama's, and had forgotten that was why Ultama looked in the first place.

It was not purposeful, what would have been the point of that when you can easily come on and say 'nope' as you just have done?


In part this brings up a point which I wanted to make anyway. I'm hoping that these analyses get others to go through these same players, and see what they can find or give their own opinion on.

Like I said, it was 50% OMGUS. It's tough to admit when we're wrong. Until Pran's post, then yours, I didn't really have a real player in mind, yet.

remove vote

I'll keep looking.

[Ryllandaras]

Finally, Sheltatha Lore.


A little bit of a Pran Chole, semi-confused, thing going on again. So, first off, there's suspicion of Tiam which is repeated across several posts, but no vote.

Sheltatha Lore, on 27 June 2013 - 11:36 PM, said:

I've done a skimming readup, and I think I have a basic grasp of what's going on. My instincts scream to lynch Fener, call BS on Tiam.

But most of all, for the first time in one of these games based on books that I haven't read, I feel that the knowledge I'm missing from not having read them is really going to hurt my chances of understanding what's actually happening.

Sheltatha Lore, on 28 June 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

@Trake, yeah, and we can just presume everyone will tell the truth about how we voted?

"Wait and see that what I said is true" is the sort of play for time that gets me jumpy and nervous. I want information more than I want promises of future information delivered. Maybe this early in the game we can afford it, but in tmdi 10 im not so confident.

I will probably vote tiam, because some allegedly neutral player pushing a message of necessity on all of us seems unreasonable in a game like this. Even if they are exactly who they say they are, which i give long odds on, i dont think it will hurt any particular teama chance of winning because im not sure how that could work for balance in the game design.

Sheltatha Lore, on 28 June 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 28 June 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Fener, on 28 June 2013 - 11:42 AM, said:

If these votes to PS are iron man, why isn't PS noting them?

An excellent excellent excellent question! How in the heck has no one asked this yet?


Because, my dear, you have to have faith /> No divine help, no guidance on this one.


Have you not realised what I am? What Blend has created here? I am the anti-mafia player! No speculation, no opinions, no voting, nothing to back me up in immediate terms other than a promise of tomorrow, nothing in the OP, mass revealing of a role...ARGH! I wish I could say more! />

Which is what I don't get. Why would a player be given a neutral role.

What are your VC's?

Shelly made a case on Tellan being Tiam's master, in this post below and another which followed it. Obviously, we now know that was not the case.

Sheltatha Lore, on 03 July 2013 - 01:20 AM, said:

Tellan, on 28 June 2013 - 12:50 AM, said:

Fener, on 28 June 2013 - 12:30 AM, said:

Trake, on 27 June 2013 - 11:27 PM, said:

Ultama, on 27 June 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Sorta. I had other issues with you. But then I read Trake reply to your analysis of him. That first sentence was slightly strange. You thought Fener was becoming less likely to be vord due to Fener's reveal info. But then you hammer. At the last possible second. So yes I think ther was something off about it.

I don't think Tellan did that maliciously. If he wanted to be quiet and not reveal he was in control of alts, he wouldn't have voted at all; then the day would have ended a minute later, possibly without a hammer, and there was a chance we wouldn't have known what was going on. In Tellan's position I would have done the same, because CF is better than no CF.

My self-hammer was written out in another tab waiting on me to submit it, I was typing out another bit of info to go on, posted it early when realising the time, saw the hammer had come in, deleted last post and closed my own hammer tab. So if anyone was wondering the deleted post wasn't a self-hammer, that never made it as far as the board. Then realised I wasn't actually dead.

It was definitely not malicious on my part, and as Trake graciously pointed out, I wanted both a CF and to wait as long as possible to allow Fener to tell us what he wanted to. Imo, it was wifom-y to assume Fener really was going to self-vote (sorry, this is mafia and you never know), hence me hammering in the last minute. And of course, if no one hammered, we wouldn't even know at this point that there is some sort of double alt on the train and/or Fener has an LP (the latter I don't think so but whatever).

Popped in to say I really doubt Tiam's claims. Unfortunately, I have nothing to back that up, but then again, I'm not the one telling everyone I'm Alera and whatnot in the first place. >___>

I don't know if I have anything else to say, I've been sort of keeping up with the thread throughout the day, but lemme read back over these last few pages.

Tellan, on 28 June 2013 - 01:03 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 27 June 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

-snip-

Edit 2: I've been allowed to add a bit more now as I should have told you this bit too:

IF THERE IS A TIE BETWEEN TWO OR MORE, MODS CHOOSE THROUGH RANDOMISER.

^This edit... I mean, that's either a really good move for someone faking it, or it's a sign she's not bullshitting us? I honestly can't tell which, but I thought it was interesting enough to point out at least...

Tellan, on 28 June 2013 - 05:12 AM, said:

Well, the votes are spread pretty thinly around. I really don't trust Tiam and that whole deal, and if she affects everyone beneficially (i.e., whatever fury and active/passive we vote on applies to all), is it really a big loss if we're wrong? Other than lost time. And, yes, I'm sure somebody could use a boost on something somewhere, I know I would like some buffer, but you may not even get what you vote for either.

Plus, I just don't even think it's true - in past games, dont mods normally announce weird roles entering the fray on later days or something? Or if there has to be something to vote on? Thinking back to the 100 game, they announced the whole Survivor island thing, which was an overnight voting process. As someone else already pointed out, this whole deal sounds like a mechanic, not something that needs an alt.

Basically agreeing with NG and Shelly above me here, and I'd rather not risk waiting to see, especially if we may not get anything conclusive. Also, what are our other possibilities? There's been a bit of discussion on others, but Tiam has gone and drawn a lot of attention to herself. Blech.

I'll probably end up voting Tiam when I get up tomorrow, unless she answers everyone's questions convincingly, or someone else screams "KILL MEEEE."

I went back and looked at the people who directly interacted with Tiam, to see if we might get a possible hint as to who might be the mole master. The first thing that tweaks my interest is Tellan. These quotes are from just before the second interaction sequence with Tiam. They are careful to come across as dulely suspicious of Tiam but still throw in the "wow if they're faking it's really good" compliment in there. Now by itself this isn't much, but I'm going to post Tellan's. Also, careful distancing with a nice long time gap thrown in?

Sheltatha Lore, on 08 July 2013 - 02:11 PM, said:

So who is the bloody queen? Anyone got a theory on that?

Great question Shelly, I'm trying my best.


Shelly professes to believe that the Vord Queen is a low poster, HP possibly.

Sheltatha Lore, on 08 July 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

Agree with monok, that was a great read up. Info orgy.

I believe korbas an emurlahn. Faction relations are getting clearer although im sure there is some deviousness in there.

Vord queen must be lying low imo, HP would be a candidate in my mind.

As for suspicions towards me , I voted tiam early , which like rhyll put it, would make me a very bad team player. My laying low is mostly due to limites internet access. Over the break (when we lynched tiam) was when i had the most time.

Sheltatha is almost as hard to pin down as HP and Pran Chole. I'm perhaps more willing to put them lower down the suspicion list because of their extended doubts about Tiam - although, having said that, the non-vote to back it up until the next day is worrying. And Shelly says they voted Tiam early - but that was early the following day, not the day that Tiam appeared and started spouting the Alera stuff. The case on Tellan we now know is pure crap, but whether it was made knowing it was crap or not is another matter entirely, and one not made clearer by the rest of Shelly's slim pickings. Interesting, though, that they think the Vord Queen might be a low poster when they themselves qualify.

[Ryllandaras]

That took too long. I am several hours past when I should have been asleep. I'm too tired to make a decision now, so I'll sleep on it and place a vote tomorrow.

[Emurlahn]

Ryll has done an admirable job of contributing today, but all it did was make me wonder why it took a few votes for him to do so.

[Sheltatha Lore]

II just reread the tiam train sequence, and i feel a little better about HP because the first thing he does on day three is challenge tiam on his VCs.

[Tiamatha]

Oh ho, what is this I see!

[Rashan]

I do believe it's lots of info, for you and for me.

[Tiamatha]

All these reveals, how wondrous! One could feast and feast and feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaasssssssttttttt!!!!!!

[Rashan]

They've made quite the mistake, haven't they just. Too late to do anything about it now I suppose.

[Tiamatha]

You know the rules, Rashy. No backsies!

[Liosan]

Tiamatha, on 09 July 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

You know the rules, Rashy. No backsies!

Bring it, Biaaaatch

[Rashan]

So many pieces hanging, so precariously balanced. To think should we just pull out that little piece, t'would all come crashing down.

[Tiamatha]

Now Rashy, you know we're only truly interested in a mere handful of them. Leave the rest to their squabbling. And besides, it keeps the entertainment levels up when we read!

[Rashan]

You know, I do believe we should vote tomorrow. See if we can't frighten one or two of them.

[Tiamatha]

Yes, Rashy yes!!! Uncounted votes, pah! Pahahahahahahahahahahahaa! The sun shines on us this day! A gentle warmth for our busy bodies.

[Rashan]

An incinerating heat for our enemies. Quite, Tiammy. Quite.

[Korbas]

After catching up, got to mention thi

Pran Chole, on 08 July 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

I was in the middle of my quote case when a big thunderstorm knocked out all the power in my neighborhood. I'm posting on my friend's phone, as soon as power is back I will be also.

Liosan, on 08 July 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

Ey, peeps. Change of plans: city's been hit by crazy rainstorm, power's out. giving you a heads up on my phone, but depending when power comes back, I may not get on again till I'm back @ work tom. hopefully, itll come back tonight, but who knows. I gotta conserve phone battery, cuz its pretty dead. ciao.

I just checked the news, because I was being anal and something like this affecting two different players on the same day seemed a little incredulous. However, I eat my hat.

Huge Storm 300, 000 affected

I thought this pointed at Pran and Liosan being the same person, but I am now less convinced.