[Iparth Erule]

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Since you want to be serious, lets be serious.

<snip>

For that matter, if summoning Millennium is the only way to heal the time stream shouldn't we all be trying to help rather than bickering?

Just had to post this for fun. The comedy is too much.

Why do you make this point three times in three different post within 20 minutes? Post padding much?

[Iparth Erule]

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 24 February 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

What in the role of the Voodoomaster suggest to you that he is an FM? For adapting the role into this game, I think it's more likely that Domingo has to sample specific people or specific abilities. Since the Voodoomaster did so through being the first or the last person on a lynch train I think it would pay of to look at that. Unless you have more information . . . ?

Voodoo Master also had some dolls they could get a sample through. We have Doppelgangers created by him, maybe he can influence them in some way?

As to what made me think FM, this is Blend as mod and it would be one hell of a way of getting a sample. First or last on a lynch train is interesting - we're going to see some very reluctant hammers now I imagine.

The Voodoomaster is all about placing on a lynch train, so neither that nor the OP suggest anything FM like. I think you slipped up.

vote Rikkter

[Iparth Erule]

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

What do you think the numbers are then, and how do you think this will affect lynching?

I think numbers are 6 / 6 / 1

As for lynching that depends on who can spot the most signals and figure out who else is on their team. First lynch I expect to be pretty random as usual, once it has happened though we'll need 7 to lynch still with factions at 6 / 5 / 1 meaning one faction can potentially dominate the lynch from the moment of the first CF if Domingo plays along with them. If they were inclined to do so the un-lynched side could open up on thread, say "I'm King Sundays doppelganger, who else is on my side?" "I'm Mister Mondays doppelganger, here's my proof" etc and with their team and Domingo stomp the Originals into the ground - Domingo even stops being relevant after the second lynch on a faction lands as the bigger faction then has the numbers to carry it and oppose any other lynches. Of course this relies upon people honestly admitting which faction they're on and CF doesn't confirm this so I'd not expect this tactic to actually happen but it is a potential.

The no-faction-CF will make for I suspect a tense end-game

Let me paraphrase that: Lets lynch randomly and then reveal who we are, so that Domingo knows whom to target.

And even that aside I think it would still a bad tactic, because then we would get much better targeted night actions, that could potentially tip the balance again.

[Rikkter]

Iparth Erule, on 25 February 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 24 February 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

What in the role of the Voodoomaster suggest to you that he is an FM? For adapting the role into this game, I think it's more likely that Domingo has to sample specific people or specific abilities. Since the Voodoomaster did so through being the first or the last person on a lynch train I think it would pay of to look at that. Unless you have more information . . . ?

Voodoo Master also had some dolls they could get a sample through. We have Doppelgangers created by him, maybe he can influence them in some way?

As to what made me think FM, this is Blend as mod and it would be one hell of a way of getting a sample. First or last on a lynch train is interesting - we're going to see some very reluctant hammers now I imagine.

The Voodoomaster is all about placing on a lynch train, so neither that nor the OP suggest anything FM like. I think you slipped up.

vote Rikkter

No, it was about getting blood samples through EITHER placement on lynch trains OR through use of the 5 dolls/puppets/whatever they were called. Go look it up.

Alas, PS is unlikely to point out how stupid you're being after already coming on thread once to say that yes I'm right. Reading comprehension is a fine thing.

[Rikkter]

Alkend, on 25 February 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ok great, we're on equal footing.

Makes this alot harder than I earlier expected. I had Monok pegged for team Sunday, probably thought he was king sunday. Figured with less numbers the hesitant players would try avoid needless lynching of allies and Monok really bore down on that point. As its all square we can take a breather and re-evaluate. so part of the idea behind my coaster hunt falls to the way side.

Given the collective attitude I guess not running a lynch is ok for all of us. Vigs can use the night period to get some decent info on vocal and non vocal targets. I'm guessing IF domingo needs a train to start or complete vigs can focus on ferreting out coasters while we all start working out whos who.

Would be interesting if our coasters are the royalty big-wigs. Feels a bit simple though. Kess may have a point about the vocal troop but honestly this has been a pretty vocal majority.

Sorry but why would you expect Vigs to blow their load on the first night? That's a little premature

[Rikkter]

Iparth Erule, on 25 February 2014 - 07:46 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 12:06 PM, said:

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

What do you think the numbers are then, and how do you think this will affect lynching?

I think numbers are 6 / 6 / 1

As for lynching that depends on who can spot the most signals and figure out who else is on their team. First lynch I expect to be pretty random as usual, once it has happened though we'll need 7 to lynch still with factions at 6 / 5 / 1 meaning one faction can potentially dominate the lynch from the moment of the first CF if Domingo plays along with them. If they were inclined to do so the un-lynched side could open up on thread, say "I'm King Sundays doppelganger, who else is on my side?" "I'm Mister Mondays doppelganger, here's my proof" etc and with their team and Domingo stomp the Originals into the ground - Domingo even stops being relevant after the second lynch on a faction lands as the bigger faction then has the numbers to carry it and oppose any other lynches. Of course this relies upon people honestly admitting which faction they're on and CF doesn't confirm this so I'd not expect this tactic to actually happen but it is a potential.

The no-faction-CF will make for I suspect a tense end-game

Let me paraphrase that: Lets lynch randomly and then reveal who we are, so that Domingo knows whom to target.

And even that aside I think it would still a bad tactic, because then we would get much better targeted night actions, that could potentially tip the balance again.

As I say, I wouldn't expect it to happen so paraphrase to your hearts content.

[Rikkter]

Will check in again in 2 hours

[Eloth]

Just popping in, and then I'm off again.

I'm not really sure how to deal with Domigo. He could be an asset to either team, if they can get him on board without the other team knowing. Or he could just as easily play either side off each other.

I do feel that targeting Domigo might be a good way to start. It's something that both sides can agree on, and it might be a good way to kick off the voting.

I totally get that people don't want to vote and risk hitting team members, but I also think that vote trains are going to be our best way of picking out our own team mates, and people in other teams. Vote trains are always going to give us the most information.

[Eloth]

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 09:54 PM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 25 February 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 11:41 AM, said:

Iparth Erule, on 24 February 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

What in the role of the Voodoomaster suggest to you that he is an FM? For adapting the role into this game, I think it's more likely that Domingo has to sample specific people or specific abilities. Since the Voodoomaster did so through being the first or the last person on a lynch train I think it would pay of to look at that. Unless you have more information . . . ?

Voodoo Master also had some dolls they could get a sample through. We have Doppelgangers created by him, maybe he can influence them in some way?

As to what made me think FM, this is Blend as mod and it would be one hell of a way of getting a sample. First or last on a lynch train is interesting - we're going to see some very reluctant hammers now I imagine.

The Voodoomaster is all about placing on a lynch train, so neither that nor the OP suggest anything FM like. I think you slipped up.

vote Rikkter

No, it was about getting blood samples through EITHER placement on lynch trains OR through use of the 5 dolls/puppets/whatever they were called. Go look it up.

Alas, PS is unlikely to point out how stupid you're being after already coming on thread once to say that yes I'm right. Reading comprehension is a fine thing.

Neither of those options involve a FM.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 1. 4 hours 40 minutes remaining.

13 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

2 votes Rikkter: Korabas, Iparth Erule


Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

[Kessobahn]

Denul, on 25 February 2014 - 04:08 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 25 February 2014 - 03:43 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 25 February 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

I agree with those who say hunting for Domingo right now is something of a wild goose chase. Any role which has more than one type of VC must have a lengthy and difficult process in coming out as sole winner.

There seems to be quite a high level of aggressive behaviour early doors from a few individuals. Interesting until it simply starts spamming up the thread, as it has done. For the record, the joke vote on Tiam immediately looked like a joke vote to me, albeit a lame one, because it referred back to a previous game. Galayn Lord's attacking posts also look like making a mountain of crap out of a molehill. So much so that it makes me wonder whether that's a deliberate way of deflecting from themselves, i.e. 'an important role wouldn't play like that.'

I don't like the joke vote on me, and agree it was very lame. He assumed everyone playing would instantly get the reason for it, as if all of us had participated in the Vord Game.

Not liking a Joke vote OMG. Boo Hoo cry me a river it's part of mafia. Nut up my multi headed friend. And Kessobahn I really don't like what you are impling with the talk of not hunting Domingo right now. That is saying oh don't worry he's not anything we need to worry about, don't mind the man behind the curtain, blah blah blah when it's exactly what we need to focus on. Reminded me of mafia 100 when the serial killer was known but not dealt with right away. When we finally got around to lynching his ass he ended up too strong and couldn't be dealt with. The focus should be first getting rid of that mastermind behind this mess and as a secondary focus eliminating the mirror images either the original or copy.

In reference to what you say to me, no, it's not like saying that at all. I for one have absolutely no idea how to find Domingo right now, so instead I'm focusing on looking out for potential teammates and potential opposition faction. As indeed I'd be surprised if not everyone (bar the big D) is trying to do. Perhaps, if you find that odd, then you're Dom himself ooooh boogie woogie boogie back atcha. It's easy enough to say "hey guys, trying to find Domingo right now sounds like a super smart thing to do", as Eloth does above, for example, but how exactly does Eloth et al plan to go about doing that? Please, if there are ideas, do share, but I've heard nothing like that so far. If, however, we do somehow identify Domingo, then yes, of course lynch them straight away.

[Eloth]

Well Kess, how do you feel about the way Rikkter has been talking about the abilities that Domingo may or may not have? My general feeling is that people will tend to talk about the roles they have. But this has been done so shoddily that I can't help feeling he just doesn't know what he's talking about and is fishing for information.
Or there is Alkend's idea, that Domingo will be hiding among the coasters, which may also have merit, but it just as likely that a coaster could a faction member.
This may all be moot, because we are rapidly running out of time, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Kessobahn]

Eloth, on 25 February 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:

Well Kess, how do you feel about the way Rikkter has been talking about the abilities that Domingo may or may not have? My general feeling is that people will tend to talk about the roles they have. But this has been done so shoddily that I can't help feeling he just doesn't know what he's talking about and is fishing for information.
Or there is Alkend's idea, that Domingo will be hiding among the coasters, which may also have merit, but it just as likely that a coaster could a faction member.
This may all be moot, because we are rapidly running out of time, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

I'm being gradually swayed over to the idea that how a person plays has more to do with their personality than it does with the role they have - the only other real determinant in post amount and style being time, or lack thereof. So I don't think Dom might necessarily be among the coasters, but, as I said already, I have no real idea where to start either.

I am, however, still a fan of the 'he who talks about it, probably is it' line of reasoning. The caveat I would put here, however, is that in this type of game the only role that it's safe to speculate over is the independent role, so that also has been a pretty big factor in why people are discussing it already to this extent - it's the 'safe' middle ground, but still makes you look like you're doing something.

So I wouldn't be a fan of targetting coasters just for the sake of them being coasters. I don't think a no lynch is necessarily a bad thing on the first day in this game, and then we can see what new info might be thrown up tomorrow. I certainly wouldn't be for a no lynch two days in a row though. Right now, the people who I'd be looking at are those who made a lot of noise over seemingly not very much, like Galayn Lord, who has since disappeared. I'd be asking why they felt that was a worthwhile thing to do, and what they hoped to achieve? Why they semingly felt safe targetting certain people aggressively early doors, etc, etc.

[Eloth]

I think even if we wanted to vote today we wouldn't get enough for a lynch at this stage. This means we definitely need to lynch tomorrow.

Galayn Lord is definitely irritating me, but that might just be down to an aggressive style.

Korabas' insistence on pushing the issue of Rikkter's vote on Tiam, even after it had been explained and everyone had moved on, suggests to me that he is looking for something to argue about. That kind of pushing this far into any faction game raises my hackles. Especially because later he accuses Rikkter of "spreading misinformation and lies" in the simple matter of contradictory PS posts.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 1. 3 hours 10 minutes remaining.

13 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

2 votes Rikkter: Korabas, Iparth Erule


Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

[Eloth]

Whoops, double post!

This post has been edited by Eloth: 26 February 2014 - 12:25 AM

[Galayn Lord]

Iparth Erule, on 25 February 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 24 February 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Since you want to be serious, lets be serious.

<snip>

For that matter, if summoning Millennium is the only way to heal the time stream shouldn't we all be trying to help rather than bickering?

Just had to post this for fun. The comedy is too much.

Why do you make this point three times in three different post within 20 minutes? Post padding much?

Ok, mostly caught up, little time. To respond to all posts in this vein... C'mon, seriously? It's day 1 and people are complaining about generic aggressive behavior when the majority of players have less than five posts? I called bullshit where I saw it, big deal. I don't even see how this requires further explanation so I'm going to stop.

More specifically, why did I point that out? Well, I hadn't noticed that he mentioned he actually said he was "being serious" before suggesting we just fulfill Domingo's VCs and the ridiculousness of such a statement, even in jest, still merits eternal mocking and harassment, forever and ever amen. Plus, if you read the OP, that isn't even what it says. It says that Milllenium was the only one who could have fixed this situation, but he's gone - and that searching for his soul in the time stream is actually DANGEROUS and is DETRIMENTAL to the time stream itself. So contradictions and inaccuracies abound. For that reason and others I still am suspicious of Rikkter.

Eloth, on 25 February 2014 - 10:21 PM, said:

Just popping in, and then I'm off again.

I'm not really sure how to deal with Domigo. He could be an asset to either team, if they can get him on board without the other team knowing. Or he could just as easily play either side off each other.

I do feel that targeting Domigo might be a good way to start. It's something that both sides can agree on, and it might be a good way to kick off the voting.

I totally get that people don't want to vote and risk hitting team members, but I also think that vote trains are going to be our best way of picking out our own team mates, and people in other teams. Vote trains are always going to give us the most information.

I think this is a pretty fair assessment of where we stand. A vote train gives us something to analyze and look back at; if we time out with no lynch, day 2 will probably look very similar to day 1 and let everyone who doesn't feel like posting continue on their merry way. I will probably make it back just once more before timeout, for a few seconds. I'm willing to vote Rikkter at this point, both for reasons I've stated before and for the sake of a lynch. I don't see how many people could know their teammates on day 1, and if we don't lynch, we are basically hoping something happens at night that will shed more light on thread. So if we don't lynch I feel like we are wasting time. With no CF, it will be even more interesting to see how people react to the lynch target, not knowing (or knowing!) if we lynched the original or the doppelganger.

Anyway, that's my logic, and I may not even make it back before timeout, so:

Vote Rikkter

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 1. 2 hours 2 minutes remaining.

13 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

3 votes Rikkter: Korabas, Iparth Erule, Galayn Lord


Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

[Alkend]

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 09:56 PM, said:

Alkend, on 25 February 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Ok great, we're on equal footing.

Makes this alot harder than I earlier expected. I had Monok pegged for team Sunday, probably thought he was king sunday. Figured with less numbers the hesitant players would try avoid needless lynching of allies and Monok really bore down on that point. As its all square we can take a breather and re-evaluate. so part of the idea behind my coaster hunt falls to the way side.

Given the collective attitude I guess not running a lynch is ok for all of us. Vigs can use the night period to get some decent info on vocal and non vocal targets. I'm guessing IF domingo needs a train to start or complete vigs can focus on ferreting out coasters while we all start working out whos who.

Would be interesting if our coasters are the royalty big-wigs. Feels a bit simple though. Kess may have a point about the vocal troop but honestly this has been a pretty vocal majority.

Sorry but why would you expect Vigs to blow their load on the first night? That's a little premature

I doubt vigs will "blow their load" anytime soon. They're shackled till they get certain evidence which faction a player is on or are certain Domingo slipped up. What I meant above was as we play factions the vigs are effectively watching for two targets. Opposing royalty aaaand Domingo.

I'm not a huge fan of the idea those talking a roles specifics are most likely a player of that role but its a safer approach than the coaster hunt so I can get behind a case with this as part of the evidence. I don't think I'd expect a lynch on this alone though.

Re the current vote train: Rikkter has been attentive. not sure its being sly or genuinely being helpful. I'd rather follow his day 2 contributions further before laying a Vote. certain things he could have let slide and benefit his position had he actually been domingo.
The big bad wants confusion, after the early page 1 exchanges he seems to be looking for clarity.

I think We will likely find Domingo to be less inclined to make waves than the rest of us. The profile best suited to his needs is coaster. especially if we all talk coaster hunt then get dissuaded. its the perfect place to hide.

Of the gliders, I think the ones coming in just to redirect are the fishy ones. I have admitted we could lose important team members in this group as well. we have had players "support" the coaster hunt then disappear, turning into coasters themselves. Thats a bit odd, a coaster list in light of recent events deserves a second look.

[Alkend]

Lock, on 25 February 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 25 February 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

I agree with those who say hunting for Domingo right now is something of a wild goose chase. Any role which has more than one type of VC must have a lengthy and difficult process in coming out as sole winner.

There seems to be quite a high level of aggressive behaviour early doors from a few individuals. Interesting until it simply starts spamming up the thread, as it has done. For the record, the joke vote on Tiam immediately looked like a joke vote to me, albeit a lame one, because it referred back to a previous game. Galayn Lord's attacking posts also look like making a mountain of crap out of a molehill. So much so that it makes me wonder whether that's a deliberate way of deflecting from themselves, i.e. 'an important role wouldn't play like that.'

That would actually be an extremely clever way to play, using the common ideas on how different roles play and doing the opposite. However, to follow this train of thought is WIFOM, so I feel like we need to look more for connections between people than basing a train on how someone's playing style seems to place them in a certain role.

I'm not saying that would be useless evidence to help add support to a case, but I don't think that a case should form only off of someone's play style.

On a slightly unrelated note, anyone else think it's possible that the people attacking each other and basically just cluttering the thread with angry posts, are distancing?

I'm gonna have to question this. These points are actually very related, why say they aren't?

Connections between people assumes players already know who they are playing with. We have maybe one lover pair? Maximum of two if doppelgangers mimic sunday court perfectly. Distancing would work if either team were under pressure but I'm thinking why would these specific players bother making connections at all?

Hunting to a role MO is going to happen sooner or later. Day 1 or in this case likely Day 2 lynch will run on what we presume is roled behaviour. A vote to the contrary makes little sense as majority of us are in the dark on allegiances.