[Monok Ochem]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 10:41 AM, said:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Denul, on 24 February 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 24 February 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

Firstly, second.

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

Monok Ochem, on 24 February 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Good afternoon. Like a true primate, I'm first.

Secondly, you're not playing according to PS.

Therefore...

First!

Not my problem five of my alts weren't listed in the OP.

Now you've said that you know what needs to be done.

Vote Tiam

This vote is totally random including a bunch of gibberish as it makes you look like you could be signalling you aren't Wha'ts his name that started this whole mess to begin with. Sounds like he should be a priority for the group and then lets move on to figuring out wholes an original and who's a copy.

Erm nope, not totally random.

MO indicated he has multiple alts. The last time we had multiple alts was when Tiam and Rashan sung duets on thread. Tiam is playing, logically I voted for Tiam.

Day 1 joke vote. Christ, get a sense of humour.



Since you want to be serious, lets be serious.

We have 2 factions composed of identical numbers and characters. Epoch and Millenio being removed means we have two each of:
-King Sunday
-Queen Wednesday
-Lady Ete
-Mister Monday
-Sir Thursday
-Tertian

Based on previous games it is likely
-King Sunday has the ability to Time Shift (Epoch being the only other potential candidate for this)
-Mister Monday is a Guard
-Sir Thursday is a Vig
-Queen Weds or Lady Ete has a lover convo with the King (Ete more likely with the back story, although does raise an interesting point - can they be sure their lover is actually the correct version? So maybe Doppelganger Ete is actually talking to Original Sunday?)
-The other of Ete and Weds being RI
-Tertian has been a ninja before, think more likely to be RI this time

Now PS says Originals (I'm going to call them Originals and Doppelgangers from here on unless anyone has any terms they'd prefer) have an information advantage - I'd suspect this means some alts know who the real King Sunday is, or he knows who several real ones are and that roles remain balanced.

So, on to the big mystery, Domingo. Blend says it is based on the Voodoo Master from Mafia 87. A look in the spoilers there tells us that the summoning takes 1 blood sample from each faction plus a sample from a child and a zombie so potentially 5 actions needing to be completed to summon it. We have 2 factions and Domingo has already had contact with everyone so this is where whatever mechanic Blend has put in will fuck with our minds.

At the risk of scaring people, what if Domingo is a FM needing to take out say both King Sundays to absorb their time-displacing and summon Millennium?

TBQH I would expect Domingo to be playing quiet and low since he can coast to victory with *either* side or go for broke and try and take out everyone by summoning Millennium.

For that matter, if summoning Millennium is the only way to heal the time stream shouldn't we all be trying to help rather than bickering?

Just looking back, why not vote Monok?

You just stated that he said he had multiple alts and then voted for a random alt.

Because it was clear I was joking. In the original "game has started" my alt was not included.

[Korabas]

Yes, I am not saying you should be lynched, I am saying he put a vote on Tiam because you stated you had multiple alts. The logic doesn't fly, no matter how he tried to spin it.

[Korabas]

How long is left on the clock, is there pressure to lynch today or do people not mind the day fizzing out?

[Monok Ochem]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Yes, I am not saying you should be lynched, I am saying he put a vote on Tiam because you stated you had multiple alts. The logic doesn't fly, no matter how he tried to spin it.

I guess it was a reference to the actual book Tiamatha

Spoiler

, since it consists of multiple dragons

.
Book spoiler there.

[Monok Ochem]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 11:00 AM, said:

How long is left on the clock, is there pressure to lynch today or do people not mind the day fizzing out?

I would like a lynch, as should everyone except perhaps for Domingo, dependant on his conditions. With roughly a 50% chance that you'll hit an opponent or Domingo, why hesitate to lynch?
I guess there's over 15 hours on the clock.

If someone makes a decent other suggestion, I might jump on board - later on. Personally, I am not a fan of Alkend's suggestion, or at the least, not of its implementation at the end of the day as it will cause chaos and speed lynches. Better to keep the powder dry and lynch todays coasters tomorrow.

I'll try and sneak in a couple of toilet breaks over the course of the day, which hopefully will allow me to stay in touch with the thread, but don't expect essay length contributions.

[Korabas]

Monok Ochem, on 25 February 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Yes, I am not saying you should be lynched, I am saying he put a vote on Tiam because you stated you had multiple alts. The logic doesn't fly, no matter how he tried to spin it.

I guess it was a reference to the actual book Tiamatha

Spoiler

, since it consists of multiple dragons

.
Book spoiler there.

As opposed to the one playing in this game?

[Alkend]

Monok Ochem, on 25 February 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

I don't say 'ignore' and I don't say 'turn our backs'. If we nail him, fine - he's a target everyone can line up behind and it removes a hazard to both factions. But lynching him won't bring victory to my team one inch closer, it just staves of a particular form of defeat which is unlikely enough that he needs a back-up VC for it. Why give Domingo an alternate condition? Simple, because it is apparently pretty fucking hard to get there and achieving it probably will depend on the course of the game itself, on us doing lynching/killing X or not lynching/killing Y before he does something to them. Period.

As such, I think it is bullshit to put the focus on him.

I see no point circling this if you feel that way, We can multitask, hunting Domingo and playing factions.

Disregarding all our posts to the contrary lets look at the factional issues then.

One thing I want to highlight in that regard.

re-reading Rikkter:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Since you want to be serious, lets be serious.

We have 2 factions composed of identical numbers and characters. Epoch and Millenio being removed means we have two each of:
-King Sunday
-Queen Wednesday
-Lady Ete
-Mister Monday
-Sir Thursday
-Tertian

Based on previous games it is likely
-King Sunday has the ability to Time Shift (Epoch being the only other potential candidate for this)
-Mister Monday is a Guard
-Sir Thursday is a Vig
-Queen Weds or Lady Ete has a lover convo with the King (Ete more likely with the back story, although does raise an interesting point - can they be sure their lover is actually the correct version? So maybe Doppelganger Ete is actually talking to Original Sunday?)
-The other of Ete and Weds being RI
-Tertian has been a ninja before, think more likely to be RI this time

Now PS says Originals (I'm going to call them Originals and Doppelgangers from here on unless anyone has any terms they'd prefer) have an information advantage - I'd suspect this means some alts know who the real King Sunday is, or he knows who several real ones are and that roles remain balanced.

So, on to the big mystery, Domingo. Blend says it is based on the Voodoo Master from Mafia 87. A look in the spoilers there tells us that the summoning takes 1 blood sample from each faction plus a sample from a child and a zombie so potentially 5 actions needing to be completed to summon it. We have 2 factions and Domingo has already had contact with everyone so this is where whatever mechanic Blend has put in will fuck with our minds.

At the risk of scaring people, what if Domingo is a FM needing to take out say both King Sundays to absorb their time-displacing and summon Millennium?

TBQH I would expect Domingo to be playing quiet and low since he can coast to victory with *either* side or go for broke and try and take out everyone by summoning Millennium.

For that matter, if summoning Millennium is the only way to heal the time stream shouldn't we all be trying to help rather than bickering?

Rikkter has us as a balanced team. This I just realized really isn't the case. PS clearly states Sunday court is at a disadvantage due to superior information.

Think this is an important piece of information, bit curious about it actually. Dday loss for the Doppelgangers is probably further along than the court. Would I be correct in this assumption?

[Rikkter]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 25 February 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Yes, I am not saying you should be lynched, I am saying he put a vote on Tiam because you stated you had multiple alts. The logic doesn't fly, no matter how he tried to spin it.

I guess it was a reference to the actual book Tiamatha

Spoiler

, since it consists of multiple dragons

.
Book spoiler there.

As opposed to the one playing in this game?

Sheesh.

Quote

Erm nope, not totally random.

MO indicated he has multiple alts. The last time we had multiple alts was when Tiam and Rashan sung duets on thread. Tiam is playing, logically I voted for Tiam.

Day 1 joke vote. Christ, get a sense of humour.

MO joked they had multiple alts. I joking placed a vote on the alt that was occupied by someone with multiple alts the last time we had a game with multiple alts. 6 of the 13 player in game played in Alera, I guess you're one of the 7 who didn't. Mafia 103, the Tiam & Rashan Show

In other news, I'm suffering from a cold and have work from a couple of hours from now to Day+3hours. I'll check in occasionally on my phone so if a lynch looks like it is going to happen I'll add my vote to it but don't bet on it.

MO raises an interesting point about the dual-VCs for Domingo and reminds us that this is indeed a faction game and that we still need to kill half the alts - I'd like it more had it not set me wondering if he is saying that because he is Domingo and wants to avoid being hunted.

Iparth Erule, on 24 February 2014 - 06:29 PM, said:

What in the role of the Voodoomaster suggest to you that he is an FM? For adapting the role into this game, I think it's more likely that Domingo has to sample specific people or specific abilities. Since the Voodoomaster did so through being the first or the last person on a lynch train I think it would pay of to look at that. Unless you have more information . . . ?

Voodoo Master also had some dolls they could get a sample through. We have Doppelgangers created by him, maybe he can influence them in some way?

As to what made me think FM, this is Blend as mod and it would be one hell of a way of getting a sample. First or last on a lynch train is interesting - we're going to see some very reluctant hammers now I imagine.

[Rikkter]

Alkend, on 25 February 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 25 February 2014 - 10:45 AM, said:

I don't say 'ignore' and I don't say 'turn our backs'. If we nail him, fine - he's a target everyone can line up behind and it removes a hazard to both factions. But lynching him won't bring victory to my team one inch closer, it just staves of a particular form of defeat which is unlikely enough that he needs a back-up VC for it. Why give Domingo an alternate condition? Simple, because it is apparently pretty fucking hard to get there and achieving it probably will depend on the course of the game itself, on us doing lynching/killing X or not lynching/killing Y before he does something to them. Period.

As such, I think it is bullshit to put the focus on him.

I see no point circling this if you feel that way, We can multitask, hunting Domingo and playing factions.

Disregarding all our posts to the contrary lets look at the factional issues then.

One thing I want to highlight in that regard.

re-reading Rikkter:

Rikkter, on 24 February 2014 - 05:17 PM, said:

Since you want to be serious, lets be serious.

We have 2 factions composed of identical numbers and characters. Epoch and Millenio being removed means we have two each of:
-King Sunday
-Queen Wednesday
-Lady Ete
-Mister Monday
-Sir Thursday
-Tertian

Based on previous games it is likely
-King Sunday has the ability to Time Shift (Epoch being the only other potential candidate for this)
-Mister Monday is a Guard
-Sir Thursday is a Vig
-Queen Weds or Lady Ete has a lover convo with the King (Ete more likely with the back story, although does raise an interesting point - can they be sure their lover is actually the correct version? So maybe Doppelganger Ete is actually talking to Original Sunday?)
-The other of Ete and Weds being RI
-Tertian has been a ninja before, think more likely to be RI this time

Now PS says Originals (I'm going to call them Originals and Doppelgangers from here on unless anyone has any terms they'd prefer) have an information advantage - I'd suspect this means some alts know who the real King Sunday is, or he knows who several real ones are and that roles remain balanced.

So, on to the big mystery, Domingo. Blend says it is based on the Voodoo Master from Mafia 87. A look in the spoilers there tells us that the summoning takes 1 blood sample from each faction plus a sample from a child and a zombie so potentially 5 actions needing to be completed to summon it. We have 2 factions and Domingo has already had contact with everyone so this is where whatever mechanic Blend has put in will fuck with our minds.

At the risk of scaring people, what if Domingo is a FM needing to take out say both King Sundays to absorb their time-displacing and summon Millennium?

TBQH I would expect Domingo to be playing quiet and low since he can coast to victory with *either* side or go for broke and try and take out everyone by summoning Millennium.

For that matter, if summoning Millennium is the only way to heal the time stream shouldn't we all be trying to help rather than bickering?

Rikkter has us as a balanced team. This I just realized really isn't the case. PS clearly states Sunday court is at a disadvantage due to superior information.

Think this is an important piece of information, bit curious about it actually. Dday loss for the Doppelgangers is probably further along than the court. Would I be correct in this assumption?

However the two Doppelgangers that were originally involved as extra numbers for the Doppelgangers are no longer in game, therefore to not place them at a big disadvantage I'm assuming that the roles have been balanced. I may be wrong but do you have any other ideas? There are no new named characters and we're told that everyone except Domigo has a Doppelganger therefore 50/50 split. D-Day being the same place for us both till someone takes a loss.

[Korabas]

Yes now that you have just said that.

[Rikkter]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

Yes now that you have just said that.

Yes to other ideas or yes to reluctant hammers? The latter was obvious to anyone who looked at the Voodoo Master role PM.

[Korabas]

Rikkter, on 25 February 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

Yes now that you have just said that.

Yes to other ideas or yes to reluctant hammers? The latter was obvious to anyone who looked at the Voodoo Master role PM.

yeah there was a cross post there.

[Korabas]

What do you think the numbers are then, and how do you think this will affect lynching?

[Rikkter]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 11:55 AM, said:

What do you think the numbers are then, and how do you think this will affect lynching?

I think numbers are 6 / 6 / 1

As for lynching that depends on who can spot the most signals and figure out who else is on their team. First lynch I expect to be pretty random as usual, once it has happened though we'll need 7 to lynch still with factions at 6 / 5 / 1 meaning one faction can potentially dominate the lynch from the moment of the first CF if Domingo plays along with them. If they were inclined to do so the un-lynched side could open up on thread, say "I'm King Sundays doppelganger, who else is on my side?" "I'm Mister Mondays doppelganger, here's my proof" etc and with their team and Domingo stomp the Originals into the ground - Domingo even stops being relevant after the second lynch on a faction lands as the bigger faction then has the numbers to carry it and oppose any other lynches. Of course this relies upon people honestly admitting which faction they're on and CF doesn't confirm this so I'd not expect this tactic to actually happen but it is a potential.

The no-faction-CF will make for I suspect a tense end-game

[Korabas]

6, 6, 1 yes?

Path-Shaper, on 05 November 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

Game Setup:

Sunday's Court vs. Doppelgangers vs. Prince Domingo

Sunday's court start the game with more power and information, so they are slightly smaller than the Doppelgangers crew. Prince Domingo is an independent.

VCs for King Sunday's Court are to eliminate all the Doppelgangers.
VCs for the Doppelgangers is to eliminate all of King Sunday's Court.

Prince Domingo can win in two ways - he can either survive until one of the factions meets their VCs, thus winning alongside the faction, or he can complete the summoning of Lord Millenium before a faction meets their VCs, at which point everybody but himself dies.

CF will be in effect for this game, however you will not be told if a player is a member of King Sunday's court, or a Doppelganger.

Days are 36 hours. Nights are instant (so be sure to get your provisionals in if you want to perform your NAs).

[Rikkter]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 12:22 PM, said:

6, 6, 1 yes?

Path-Shaper, on 05 November 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

Game Setup:

Sunday's Court vs. Doppelgangers vs. Prince Domingo

Sunday's court start the game with more power and information, so they are slightly smaller than the Doppelgangers crew. Prince Domingo is an independent.

VCs for King Sunday's Court are to eliminate all the Doppelgangers.
VCs for the Doppelgangers is to eliminate all of King Sunday's Court.

Prince Domingo can win in two ways - he can either survive until one of the factions meets their VCs, thus winning alongside the faction, or he can complete the summoning of Lord Millenium before a faction meets their VCs, at which point everybody but himself dies.

CF will be in effect for this game, however you will not be told if a player is a member of King Sunday's court, or a Doppelganger.

Days are 36 hours. Nights are instant (so be sure to get your provisionals in if you want to perform your NAs).

Yes

Path-Shaper, on 24 February 2014 - 01:34 PM, said:

Before everything gets started, something goes awry with Prince Domingo's spell and the Epoch and Milenio doppelgangers melt away into nothingness. This has no bearing on the current game, they're just the two characters that had to die off in order to make this a 13 player game instead of a 15 player game.

It is now Day 1. 36 hours remaining.

13 players alive: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.



Players not voted: Alkend, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Iparth Erule, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha

[Korabas]

I am happy to vote for you.

[Korabas]

You keep trying to spread misinformation and lies. I don't see the value of you trying to make the factions equal when PS himself has stated that they are not. The two you just highlighted where meant to be for a 15 person game. Are you saying PS made a mistake when he said the faction sizes will be unequal? What reason would there be for you to try and make the smaller faction the same size as the larger one?

[Rikkter]

Korabas, on 25 February 2014 - 12:40 PM, said:

You keep trying to spread misinformation and lies. I don't see the value of you trying to make the factions equal when PS himself has stated that they are not. The two you just highlighted where meant to be for a 15 person game. Are you saying PS made a mistake when he said the faction sizes will be unequal? What reason would there be for you to try and make the smaller faction the same size as the larger one?

Bullshit. I'm not trying to make the factions equal, every character in the game has a name. Look at the OPs.

Originals:
King Sunday
Queen Wednesday
Lady Ete
Mister Monday
Sir Thursday
Tertian

That's 6 for the Originals.

1 Independent:
Domingo

1 Independent

Doppelgangers:
King Sunday
Queen Wednesday
Lady Ete
Mister Monday
Sir Thursday
Tertian
Lord Epoch
Millennio

That's 8 for the Doppelgangers.

Oh but wait, what was that post from PS about removing two alts because this is a 13 player game not a 15? So who goes? Lord Epoch and Millennio. So lets look at Team Doppelganger again:

King Sunday
Queen Wednesday
Lady Ete
Mister Monday
Sir Thursday
Tertian
Lord Epoch
Millennio

So 6 characters for the Doppelgangers.

Read through the OPs, at no point did anyone except the original Millenio and Epoch (well, apart from Chillias but she didn't get duplicated) die, therefore we have equal teams. Because the Originals started with a bit more power and information PS has probably either increased Doppelgangers power/information or decreased Originals. Larger faction has been made smaller because there wasn't enough players to make it big. Teams are equal, deal with it.

[Bek Okhan]

Makes me wonder how PS equalized it. And I'm glad I got such a response out of Alk. I don't think an independent would be so noisy or lynchable. Lemme quickly double check before responding anymore.