[Shadow]

A lot of Kara's case reads as a defence of himself, going back through most of the game

Karatallid, on 10 June 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Then he does his best to make it look like I'm being scummy bydeliberately misinterpreting my posts about how scum are most likely on thesame team. Then he basically just doeswhat he can to push a lynch on me for a completely bullshit reason:

[...]

Just keeps on pushing, and pushing… Unfortunately for him, the rest of you aresmart enough to see an idiot case when they see one…

Karatallid, on 10 June 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Yet,like a dog worrying a bone, he comes back to me the moment I pop my head upduring Day 3 to discuss what could possibly have happened during Night 2:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, orthat KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused aboutwhat's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that'sjust that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven'thad any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killersnow that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiplereasons.

Soit's scummy that I'm throwing out possibilities, but it's okay when he doesit? Either way, I know it's all WIFOM,so I'll move on from this, just needed to point it out for posterity's sake…

Stuff like this you know. Just doesn't seem very necessary.

And as reasons go "he went for me and his reasoning was shit because I'm totally inno" isn't that convincing. Day one cases tend to be rubbish.

There are parts of Kara's case I do think make good points about Atrahal. Getting people fired up for low poster lynches is a decent move as scum, since it can take up a good chunk of time, and remove unknown factors that could be roled.

Obviously I know he isn't symping me. I also think that if he were the symp, he might've been a little less keen to try and aim for the low posters, given that GL was one of them.

I also didn't like him asking for there not to be a counter reveal if Tiam was lying, and do think he has been jumpy. Kara accuses of him of seeming like he's happy to vote anywhere, and I think that's what I like least about Atrahal.

[Shadow]

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

I think Shadow is most likely scum and Atrahal his symp, based on Atrahal's signaling and Shadow's scrambling during the GL lynch.

vote Shadow

Coming from Cast this seems rich.

[Karatallid]

Give me something concrete to work with, Shadow, and I'll consider it. For now all you're doing is saying "Well Kara is just defending himself, and I kinda agree with him about Atrahal being scummy!" If you want me to put my vote elsewhere, give me a good reason to.

[Shadow]

Cast seems to be getting a lot of heat.

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Cast has been on everyone's list at one time or another and still around.

This also stuck out to me.

Being on everyone's list isn't exactly what you'd expect from someone with a symp.

Hanas/Cast? Possible. With how much Hanas has been pointed at as the symp, its hard to use him being for or against a particular lynch to mean that much.

I'm kind of reconsidering Cast atm. He seems to have been mentioned quite a lot recently, but it feels a bit out of proportion with what people are mentioning as scummy, like some people are just going along with it, throwing him in as an obligatory mention because a few other people don't like him.

I didn't like his coasting behaviour at the start of the game.
I didn't like his attitude towards GL (not just saying we should wait, but outright attacking).
The rapid vote is not good as others have said.

Of these three, the first does not apply to a lot of people, or at least they didn't make much of it at the time.
The third is more recent, and does not justify earlier heat.

So, is it just his post about GL?

He's getting mentioned an awful lot recently, possibly even more than it was at the time.

Korlat brought it up as maybe sympy. I said I thought symp didn't really work, and that the behaviour might fit killer better. This got a bit of agreement, Cast started getting mentioned a bit more.

But it just feels at this point like he's reached some sort of feedback loop of being mentioned as scummy, without people actually backing up why they think so in a convincing manner.

It's making me pause.

Getting too caught up in a small number of people is more likely to suit scum.

Atrahal and Kara have been standing out to me a lot more recently. Tholen did some stuff earlier I didn't like, and every now and again I get a twinge from him, either something overly middle of the road or that just doesn't add up. If Korlat is scum he's done a good job so far. He's not been in any confrontation, agreeably, not seemed to be unreasonable. The kind of things that people call "smooth", which I've never really liked as a reason in itself.

It did make me go and look back a bit at Korlat though. That someone has been looked at remarkably little seems a good reason in itself to look at them.A couple of things that I noticed.

Firstly, he could be accused of being overly agreeable, and somewhat middle of that road:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

This is a ludicrously bad case.

Sadly everyone's made a pathetic effort to contribute, and thus yet again anyone actually being vocal and trying to play the game becomes a target.

It's awful, I agree, but I don't see better currently. Doesn't mean it's not right anyway, though perhaps for the wrong reasons Really out now.

Almost the definition of middle of the road here:

Korlat, on 05 June 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Ooooh BUUURRRNNN!!


This is a nice little back-and-forth you two have going on, though at the end of it I can't same I'm truly convinced either way. But what I'm getting from Tiamatha's case is essentially the same thing (possible signalling) as why Shadow was being sized up for a lynch on Day 1, only Tiam's substituted Atrahal for Silchas Ruin as the symp. Tiam might use words like 'gestalt case', but it does seem a signalling case at it's very heart. Don't get me wrong, I was willing to place my vote on Shadow for that reason yesterday, so I would not be averse to doing the same today, except it feels like Tiam is trying quite hard to frame this case as something it's not.

Agreeable, but not really adding anything useful:

Korlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?

And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.

His case on Hanas is also a bit on the easy side. It's the kind of thing I could easily see being someone wanting to look like being a bit more involved, without putting themselves out there too much, and he doesn't push it very vigorously.

The other really noticeable thing is the pick up of activity in comparison to how quiet he was early game, which does mirror how scum tend to play, in particular with coasting day one.

[Shadow]

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

Give me something concrete to work with, Shadow, and I'll consider it. For now all you're doing is saying "Well Kara is just defending himself, and I kinda agree with him about Atrahal being scummy!" If you want me to put my vote elsewhere, give me a good reason to.

My point was more that the defensiveness seemed a bit out of place, given that the stuff you were bringing up happened ages ago. It's an odd thing to see in a case supposedly about someone else.

[Karatallid]

Shadow, on 11 June 2013 - 12:47 AM, said:

Cast seems to be getting a lot of heat.

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Cast has been on everyone's list at one time or another and still around.

This also stuck out to me.

Being on everyone's list isn't exactly what you'd expect from someone with a symp.

Hanas/Cast? Possible. With how much Hanas has been pointed at as the symp, its hard to use him being for or against a particular lynch to mean that much.

I'm kind of reconsidering Cast atm. He seems to have been mentioned quite a lot recently, but it feels a bit out of proportion with what people are mentioning as scummy, like some people are just going along with it, throwing him in as an obligatory mention because a few other people don't like him.

I didn't like his coasting behaviour at the start of the game.
I didn't like his attitude towards GL (not just saying we should wait, but outright attacking).
The rapid vote is not good as others have said.

Of these three, the first does not apply to a lot of people, or at least they didn't make much of it at the time.
The third is more recent, and does not justify earlier heat.

So, is it just his post about GL?

He's getting mentioned an awful lot recently, possibly even more than it was at the time.

Korlat brought it up as maybe sympy. I said I thought symp didn't really work, and that the behaviour might fit killer better. This got a bit of agreement, Cast started getting mentioned a bit more.

But it just feels at this point like he's reached some sort of feedback loop of being mentioned as scummy, without people actually backing up why they think so in a convincing manner.

It's making me pause.

Getting too caught up in a small number of people is more likely to suit scum.

Atrahal and Kara have been standing out to me a lot more recently. Tholen did some stuff earlier I didn't like, and every now and again I get a twinge from him, either something overly middle of the road or that just doesn't add up. If Korlat is scum he's done a good job so far. He's not been in any confrontation, agreeably, not seemed to be unreasonable. The kind of things that people call "smooth", which I've never really liked as a reason in itself.

It did make me go and look back a bit at Korlat though. That someone has been looked at remarkably little seems a good reason in itself to look at them.A couple of things that I noticed.

Firstly, he could be accused of being overly agreeable, and somewhat middle of that road:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

This is a ludicrously bad case.

Sadly everyone's made a pathetic effort to contribute, and thus yet again anyone actually being vocal and trying to play the game becomes a target.

It's awful, I agree, but I don't see better currently. Doesn't mean it's not right anyway, though perhaps for the wrong reasons Really out now.

Almost the definition of middle of the road here:

Korlat, on 05 June 2013 - 09:37 PM, said:

Ooooh BUUURRRNNN!!


This is a nice little back-and-forth you two have going on, though at the end of it I can't same I'm truly convinced either way. But what I'm getting from Tiamatha's case is essentially the same thing (possible signalling) as why Shadow was being sized up for a lynch on Day 1, only Tiam's substituted Atrahal for Silchas Ruin as the symp. Tiam might use words like 'gestalt case', but it does seem a signalling case at it's very heart. Don't get me wrong, I was willing to place my vote on Shadow for that reason yesterday, so I would not be averse to doing the same today, except it feels like Tiam is trying quite hard to frame this case as something it's not.

Agreeable, but not really adding anything useful:

Korlat, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

Does anyone else feel like Skintick is trying to piss us off?

And seeing how far they can take it? Yeah, kinda. A little like Khell's 'dumb inno' from a couple games back, only not actually as irritating. Or, on the other hand, seeing that they're prime meat for the lynch, deciding to go the route of 'uninterested townie' in hopes of dissuading the train that way. Or then again, genuinely not paying attention, sigh.

His case on Hanas is also a bit on the easy side. It's the kind of thing I could easily see being someone wanting to look like being a bit more involved, without putting themselves out there too much, and he doesn't push it very vigorously.

The other really noticeable thing is the pick up of activity in comparison to how quiet he was early game, which does mirror how scum tend to play, in particular with coasting day one.

The Korlat possibility is something I could get behind. You're right, she has garnered very little heat this game. I don't have enough time to go through her stuff as thoroughly as I would like right now, but there should be plenty of time for me to do so tomorrow before timeout if you don't get around to putting something a little more concrete together before then Shadow.

[Karatallid]

Shadow, on 11 June 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 11 June 2013 - 12:29 AM, said:

Give me something concrete to work with, Shadow, and I'll consider it. For now all you're doing is saying "Well Kara is just defending himself, and I kinda agree with him about Atrahal being scummy!" If you want me to put my vote elsewhere, give me a good reason to.

My point was more that the defensiveness seemed a bit out of place, given that the stuff you were bringing up happened ages ago. It's an odd thing to see in a case supposedly about someone else.

If I had ignored the cases against me that popped up in my case against you and Atrahal, I would have been accused of deliberately ignoring accusations leveled against me, so I dealt with them as they cropped up.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 24 hours and 59 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Shadow ( Karatallid, Cast )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Tholen )
1 Vote for Cast ( Hanas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow

[Atrahal]

At this stage I think I'm going to vote shadow. Hamas being a symp and voting cast when shadow gets two votes stands out. Hamas never did this so far. Usually a scummy hammer here our a vote night there. The only reason I'm not voting yet is in case I'm wrong. I'm reading up today.

[Atrahal]

Okay back to a computer, no one to talk to. So i'm going to run down my thoughts. It's best we get as much information out there as possible.

• We have got to look at potential symps,
• who they could have symped
• who the killer may think of as their symp,
• Galayn's lynch day
• Each players contribution

Potential symps are going to be the ones town are unsure of, anyone disagree that Cast, Atrahal and Hanas, Tholen, Shadow, Karatallid and Korlat could all be potential symps. So who is most likely?

Quick run down from the top of my head, it's not going to be easy and I'd have to look at the thread in greater detail but I have to go for the things that stick out and that I remember.

Cast replied to a post by Galayn Lord stating his boss is in town.

Atrahal did that early Shadowfax Post (there could be more but i'm not a symp and i'm not going to waste time on it, i'm just putting it there, you can add to it if you want)

Hanas voted night and did an early hammer on HP. If Hanas is town then that is bad town play, i'm thinking he is 100% the symp. That is just me though.

Tholen did a hammer on the healer reveal. Now we didn't have any night kills as of yet. (To my knowledge and memory) So this was potentially scummy, however he did vote to get a lynch at the end of day and a lot of his posts have come across as town.

Shadow has posted a lot of "clever verbal diarrhea", he slows down the thread with his points and comes across as town, can be a good symp leading us everywhere but his master, but could also be a hard to lynch killer.

Karatallid is least likely to be a symp but definitely could be a killer, throwing out a Shadow vote early on quickly followed by Cast rings some bells. It's not D day so we have that, if it was i'd be really annoyed at their level of play if town. Kara is one i'll need a read up on.

Korlat stands as most town in my opinion. He has been thoughtful and helpful and actually has had a look through the thread and made cases. I cannot think of him as a potential symp or killer at this stage.

[Atrahal]

Desra confirmed town in my eyes pointing out what we should be looking for. Shadow shoots it down.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Desra

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players. On the plus side if they don't know each other there is a chance they might kill each other. That would go down as the most epic fail play if they did that.

This post does not benefit the town. It tells us what we might want to look for. It also tells the scum. Why point that out at this stage? Instead of say, waiting until it's actually relevant? This warns the scum of what we might be looking for, and how not to play. It's a post that's more beneficial to a scum player than a town one.

People have mentioned me possibly symping Shadow, yet when Silchas votes Kara early on and I vote for Silchas for said vote no one calls me on this? Or if they have they haven't since.



I wasn't going to keep quoting Desra and Shadow but knowing now that Desra is town, ie his conviction of Hanas being symp and him being night killed, Shadow comes across as someone who wants to smother a town strategy. Take this post for example, Desra does make sense but Shadow keeps at it

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Vote Desra

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players. On the plus side if they don't know each other there is a chance they might kill each other. That would go down as the most epic fail play if they did that.

This post does not benefit the town. It tells us what we might want to look for. It also tells the scum. Why point that out at this stage? Instead of say, waiting until it's actually relevant? This warns the scum of what we might be looking for, and how not to play. It's a post that's more beneficial to a scum player than a town one.

Vote shadow


For being a slow fucking reader.

And your wrong that information does help town. Why because Scum has to play that way if they want a shot at winning. Scum already knows that town is looking for them HOW couldn't they (unless they have never heard of mafia or played the fucking game). Telling them how we are going to do it isn't going to change anything. Plus I want the scum to be hesitant to kill because they might hit the other scum. I want scum to want to try to figure out who there symp is so that they can look to him for signals to make sure that they don't kill the other scum. I want scum to have to do that. WHY you ask would I want scum to do that. BECAUSE that is going to give us clues to find the symp and then to find scum or to find scum then find the symp then find the other scum. Town wants clues. Town needs clues.

That doesn't explain how it helps town at all at this point, it's just a collection of vaguely related theory. If it doesn't change anything, how does it help town?

The information isn't relevant at this stage, why not actually wait until you see someone who may be symping and then bring it up? Does town really need it pointed out to them that maybe we ought to keep an eye out for symping?

Whereas a master might want to warn their symp, particularly since there is always the chance they have an inexperienced symp.

It may not change the basics of how scum play, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't benefit scum, and it doesn't mean it wouldn't affect how they play this game, being more or less cautious. If a master is worried in this game about symping, because he believes it to be a risk, and wants to warn the symp that town might be particularly alert to it, the only way he can get that message out is on thread.

Edit: Grammar

He just doesn't let it go.

[Atrahal]

Hanas the symp looking out for Shadow by attacking Desra? Don't for get we have two votes on Shadow and Hanas is voting Cast.

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

That doesn't explain how it helps town at all at this point, it's just a collection of vaguely related theory. If it doesn't change anything, how does it help town?

The information isn't relevant at this stage, why not actually wait until you see someone who may be symping and then bring it up? Does town really need it pointed out to them that maybe we ought to keep an eye out for symping?

Whereas a master might want to warn their symp, particularly since there is always the chance they have an inexperienced symp.

It may not change the basics of how scum play, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't benefit scum, and it doesn't mean it wouldn't affect how they play this game, being more or less cautious. If a master is worried in this game about symping, because he believes it to be a risk, and wants to warn the symp that town might be particularly alert to it, the only way he can get that message out is on thread.

Edit: Grammar

So you don't think that information is relevant to town from the get go. Mafia is just a vaguely related theory.

How exactly would a master (who doesn't know his symp) warn his symp? That makes no sense what so ever. The benefit to scum is inmaterial when compared to the benefit of all town knowing what to look for. You would have had me keep my suspicions and ideas to myself while I only looked for things. How does that benefit town? If I am day 1 lynched or nked then town would have lost the benefit of my insight. Which would not help town in the least.

So you are so insightful, that we really, really need you around?

I am going to try and incorporate everything and everyone I can into these posts. This is "still" potential symps and who they were symping. I am going off everyone being either a killer or symp.

[Atrahal]

See Shadow breaking up the thread, making it hard for people to venture their own opinions. Not only does he shoot down Desra's point but he break it up sentence by sentence. If only he could do this when looking for scum.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

So you don't think that information is relevant to town from the get go.

No, I don't. It didn't need to be pointed out to town, there's nothing town gains from it.

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

How exactly would a master (who doesn't know his symp) warn his symp?

Roughly like this:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players.

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

The benefit to scum is inmaterial when compared to the benefit of all town knowing what to look for. You would have had me keep my suspicions and ideas to myself while I only looked for things. How does that benefit town? If I am day 1 lynched or nked then town would have lost the benefit of my insight. Which would not help town in the least.

The benefit to town is nonexistent. Did town need to be told to look out for symping? Really? There is no need to bring it up unless you actually think someone is doing it. Do you really think that you if you were lynched on day 1 or nked the idea of looking for symping would've been lost forever to the town?

It's not helpful for town, it just tries to pretend it is. It could be useful for scum though.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Looking at the sign up sheet I find it very very very strange that there are two players who are signed up who have not read at least most of the series. This smacks of signaling.

And this smacks of meta.

Then Shadow creates the meta argument. More thread distractions and shenanigans.

[Atrahal]

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 05:24 PM, said:

And apparently we have two players new enough to mafia not to know that using meta reasoning for cases is against the rules...

Attempting to use Meta so that other players won't look at a relevant and suspicious interaction is scummy. My vote was an initial OMGUS but I am becoming more sure of it.

Desra is voting Shadow. He makes a point I am trying to make.

[Atrahal]

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

I'm okay with someone pointing out any oddness as possible signalling as long as it doesn't consume the entire thread to the exclusion of all else


oh, I hope nobody tries to act like a noob in this one

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

A5) Treat everybody else playing with courtesy and respect

Modkill Desra for breaking this rule?

Or just for being a braindead failure of a person, whatever's good.

You really must be new to Mafia if you thought that Desra's response to you was anything but respectful and courteous.

You really must be new to humour if you thought I was being at all serious.

So here follows a few posts by Shadow doing these kind of punches in the face.

Someone says something, Shadow replies with something silly or sarcastic. In the face of things looking back this wasn't good town play, if he is town, as it just shits up the thread and we are not focused on looking for signals or mistakes.

[Atrahal]

So when we actually come back to the fore Shadow blames Desra for "de-railing" discussion when in fact it was Shadow that did just that. Then he cherry picks one of Desra's posts.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Not actually answering questions = suspicious.

On a more serious note, Desra's OMGUS on me has totally de-railed any discussion from his post that kindly pointed out for the symp that this game would be looking particularly for them. I'd be interested in hearing what others feel about that, as I do feel it is a legitimately scummy move, since it is pointless do to as town, but could benefit scum.

I also don't like that Desra's response to pressure is just avoidance of the issue:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

Actually yes. I do assume that if I am lynched on day one then town is fucked. Because I am that fucking good. Ask your mom. She couldn't stop screaming my name as I was putting it in ass. Did you know that she goes from ass to mouth with no urging. Fucking dirty girl.

Followed by OMGUS.

[Atrahal]

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

checking in, I see Desra is being their lovely self as usual. And we haven't said or done anything useful, except for some meta borderline meta. Lovely, that.

Galayn Lord arrives. Just pointing this out, see if anyone addresses him.

[Atrahal]

Desra addresses Galayn Lord, includes Shadow in his aspersions, what is Galayn's response and does Shadow join in, seem as he has been all over the thread like a fat kid on his birthday cake.

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 09:09 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

checking in, I see Desra is being their lovely self as usual. And we haven't said or done anything useful, except for some meta borderline meta. Lovely, that.

That isn't true.

You have shadow's ascertain that I am suspicious because I pointed out that scum have a chance to kill each other. He claims that pointing that out is not helpful to town.

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players. On the plus side if they don't know each other there is a chance they might kill each other. That would go down as the most epic fail play if they did that.

Then you have me (and kara) saying that we are doubtful that there are two people in this game who have not read up. So potential signaling between Shadow and Silchas Ruin.

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

That doesn't explain how it helps town at all at this point, it's just a collection of vaguely related theory. If it doesn't change anything, how does it help town?

The information isn't relevant at this stage, why not actually wait until you see someone who may be symping and then bring it up? Does town really need it pointed out to them that maybe we ought to keep an eye out for symping?

Whereas a master might want to warn their symp, particularly since there is always the chance they have an inexperienced symp.

It may not change the basics of how scum play, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't benefit scum, and it doesn't mean it wouldn't affect how they play this game, being more or less cautious. If a master is worried in this game about symping, because he believes it to be a risk, and wants to warn the symp that town might be particularly alert to it, the only way he can get that message out is on thread.

Edit: Grammar

So you don't think that information is relevant to town from the get go. Mafia is just a vaguely related theory.

How exactly would a master (who doesn't know his symp) warn his symp? That makes no sense what so ever. The benefit to scum is inmaterial when compared to the benefit of all town knowing what to look for. You would have had me keep my suspicions and ideas to myself while I only looked for things. How does that benefit town? If I am day 1 lynched or nked then town would have lost the benefit of my insight. Which would not help town in the least.

So you are so insightful, that we really, really need you around?

Obviously it is always better to have me around unless it isn't. Of course if I am not around then I am modding which means fun and joy for everyone else. This time I most definitely will abuse it.



Looking at the sign up sheet I find it very very very strange that there are two players who are signed up who have not read at least most of the series. This smacks of signaling.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

The what now? Fewer spoilers in my mafia please

Silchas Ruin, on 03 June 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Bonjour mes amis!!!

Fuck you Frenchie!

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Honestly though, you haven't read, what, MoI? I'm pretty sure that's where the HoL are first mentioned as possibly existing. It seems a little crazy to me that someone who has been on these boards as long as everyone who is signed up for this game has been, and hasn't read at least up to MoI, let alone the whole series. Regardless, it's not like it's a plot shattering spoiler, at least.

I just started Deadhouse Gates...

vote Kara

In a perfect world, stating the obvious wouldn't be helpful to town. It'd be redundant and a waste of time. Given our predilection to put such a low value of fellow town's common sense, pointing out the obvious becomes an exercise that may potentially be valuable to town.



Shadow and SR, on one side, you and Karat on the other. From where i'm standing, either pair could be a killer/symp combo.