[Atrahal]

Right so Galayn says SR and Shadow could be a killer/symp combo. Does Shadow address this like every other post he addresses?

He replies to HP.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

I didnt find it scummy

If you outline a plan or say you think someone is suspicious, you also give scum a chance to respond or counter

How is that different?

There was no need for him to outline that plan at that point.

OMG guys, we should look for symping!

Oh, really?

Otoh, pointing out that since the killers aren't connected this game there will be more emphasis on symp could be useful for scum. But not town.

He addresses Desra's case. "Weaker than most".

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 09:03 PM, said:

Wait so you are totally ignoring the actual scummyness of players attempting to signal by saying that they have only read a couple of books. Nicely done sir. Nicely ignored.

I pointed out that Kara shouldn't post spoilers in the mafia area.
He said he didn't expect they were spoilers to anyone playing.
Someone else pointed out it would actually be for them.

It's a totally relevant thing to point out, not some stretch to signal. These sorts of cases tend to be flimsy at the best of times, and this one is weaker than most.

Shoots down Desra's post about symping two players.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

Also, I'm not claiming you're scummy because you pointed out that scum have a chance to kill each other. That's just fluff pretending to be content.

My issue is with this:

"So other then a random lynch on the killers we have to look for someone symping two players."

Which is useless to post as town, but potentially useful for scum.

Shadow, on 03 June 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

What do you mean I answered this question. Here is the specific post that I answered your question. Now you don't like the answer that I gave fine. But don't say that I didn't answer. Your statement implies that I attempted to derail something with out answering the question. When that is not what happened at all. Your synopsis is misleading and an attempt at strawmaning which you would not have to do if you actually had something. The fact that you are already having to revert to that so early in the game is scummy. With only 4 pages you should be able to quote the quotes so that other readers can draw there own conclusions. Instead you are attempting to mislead by misrepresentation. Poor show old boy.

And then I pointed out what I didn't like about what you posted.

And then you didn't answer, except with pointless insults. Which I did quote.

You would be well served by your own advice about misrepresentation.

Now Shadow has done this on the last page, a big long list without any quotes to back it up, or the odd one. He did this early on and now he is trying to sway us the same way late on.

[Atrahal]

Hanas, on 03 June 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

The above argument is borderline regarding meta. Another argument like that will get the person coming up with it mod-killed. If you are unsure, if you can say something, ask me.

Fräulein Lizard, is it permissible to say they are both too fucking stupid to pass a kidney stone and can we please lynch them both today?

Hanas cannot be the killer which fucking annoys me because of his scummy play later on. Here he says he would like them both mod killed. I assume he means Kara and Desra. Not Shadow. Now if Shadow is the killer I am putting Hanas as his possible symp. If Shadow is symp then why the fuck did Hanas be a retard later on?

[Atrahal]

Korlat agrees with Desra.

Korlat, on 03 June 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

I have to agree with Desra and say that I also find it odd that two people here seem to be saying that they haven't read all the series as yet. And if that really is true, then for shame. For shame!

Now, before I continue look at these pages. Shadow replies to almost everyone except for Galayn Lord. Galayn actually addresses Shadow and Shadow ignores him.

[Atrahal]

So Galayn has a similar stance as Shadow. That doesn't say much, but I think Desra made the "more town like points" and Galayn jumps onto Shadow's side of the fence.

Galayn Lord, on 03 June 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Korlat, on 03 June 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

I have to agree with Desra and say that I also find it odd that two people here seem to be saying that they haven't read all the series as yet. And if that really is true, then for shame. For shame!

I still fail to see relevance.

Yes, of the people playing, there aren't many noobs (though personally, anyone who started playing mafia round the time of GH is still a "noob" to me), but being on the board doesnt always equate with reading all the books.

And as a signalling case, I find it to be weak. Desra's grasping at straws, which kinda makes sense on Day 1, but it still doesn't inspire me with confidence.

This post is followed by this post

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 02:55 AM, said:

My boss is intownso posting will be sporadic unless he spends all day in the conference room. . Let me get caught up

Coincidence? We do know Galayn is a killer. So that is why this stands out.

[Atrahal]

If Cast is the symp then Shadow is less likely to be the killer because Cast casts his suspicion on Desra and Shadow.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 03:15 AM, said:

Looks like I didn't miss much, just the Desra/Shadow spat.
First they vote eachother:

Laying it on a bit thick aren't you guys? Looks like a symp buddying up to a killer.

I took away all the quotes. What is important here is Cast could have signalled Galayn and if he did then Cast is the symp and Kara could possibly be a killer. It's a stretch though because of Hanas' play. If Cast is a killer then I haven't found anyone symping him as of yet.

[Atrahal]

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:26 AM, said:

Just Tholen and Venesara yet to post. I was about to mention you Gamelon. What do you think of the day so far?

This goes against Tholen, day end is approaching, he hasn't posted, good way for a killer to lay low because he does come on and he hasn't been truly looked at.

[Atrahal]

I had an interaction with Gamelon here that people found sympish, the whole Sound of Music, I had recently watched it and that is why I knew what Fraulein was and why.

I vote for Silchas, let's see who joins in the lynch and their reasons. I basically picked a low posting low content person. Who seemed to joke vote but that was the extent of their participation.

Atrahal, on 04 June 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

For now I am going to

Vote Silchas Ruin

The only content he provided was the joke vote and a few one liners in response to me. Since then he hasn't done anything to engage in conversation. I am not sure where I place Desra and Shadow at the moment. One of them could be a symp muddying the waters. I want to focus on the people that don't want to stand out and coast along.

[Atrahal]

Korlat points out about Shadow muddying the waters and links him to Kara. Question to Korlat here, do you think of one symping the other? Ie Shadow symping Kara? I know Kara is voting Shadow but he may not have caught onto the fact that he may be symping him, or he has picked his symp wrong, ie me or Cast?

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Personally Shadow strikes me as having been wilfully stupid at times. That whole thing with...Karatallid? really seemed like they were taking things too much out of context. There's a fine line between questioning in order to stir things up/move the thread along, and on the other hand just plain muddying the waters. That spat took up almost as much space as the Desra vs Shadow/Silchas one, but seemed far more pointless.

Just a thought anyway...

[Atrahal]

So does this take Shadow off potential killer list?

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Although a scum who's involved themselves in two protracted pissing matches on day 1 is either very unlucky, or just not scum Then again, the Desra one was not of Shadow's making, but only really began when Silchas also piped up about not having read the entire series.

[Atrahal]

Okay so point here, on day one Shadow spammed the thread a lot. Would a killer do this? He could have been easily the lynch choice. People think I symped him and we went for a low poster so that is feasible, but I am not the symp so I am trying to look outside the box here. regardless of my play, just focusing on Shadow's play I do and don't think he is the killer. I don't because of his high early post count, it look very sympish at best. Yet he could be a killer acting like a symp. What makes me lean on symp more than killer is the no reply to Galayn lord. Up to this point anyway. We continue..

[Atrahal]

Okay so decisions regarding where to go next, day seemed to slow down.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

not much has happened since I left.

No shit. I thought I'd have a hard time getting caught up.
Edit:Finished sentence.

Cast pissed a little that not much as happened, I put this a point in her favour.

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Yeah, this hasn't been a fantastic day 1. I count myself amongst the fails, don't worry. Just been too busy the past couple of days, and the rest of the week is likely to be the same, alas.

I'll have to place a vote down in about twenty minutes, as there's a chance I won't be able to make it on again until well past timeout.

Korlat letting us know they are available and that they may have to vote then leave us for a while.

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 02:41 PM, said:

Skintick, on 03 June 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Checking in. Will have time to read the thread in about two hours.

It's been well past two hours. Any input?

Encourages Skintick to post something

Tholen, on 04 June 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

modkill avoidance. back in 3-4 hrs to catch up and play properly.

This vindicates Tholen somewhat, I sense RL issues here.

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Personally Shadow strikes me as having been wilfully stupid at times. That whole thing with...Karatallid? really seemed like they were taking things too much out of context. There's a fine line between questioning in order to stir things up/move the thread along, and on the other hand just plain muddying the waters. That spat took up almost as much space as the Desra vs Shadow/Silchas one, but seemed far more pointless.

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Although a scum who's involved themselves in two protracted pissing matches on day 1 is either very unlucky, or just not scum Then again, the Desra one was not of Shadow's making, but only really began when Silchas also piped up about not having read the entire series.

Gah! I've just been reading over the thread and realised that I mistook Shadow for Atrahal. It was Atrahal who was questioning Kara at the beginning, not Shadow. So in fact Shadow has not been as embroiled in day 1 hijinks as I had thought. I'm surprised nobody called me on this - I guess people are paying as much close attention to the thread as I did

So scrap my last post. You're linking me to Kara? First one to do that, point in your favour. To be honest I have crossed you off my suspect list. If you are scum then well played but I trust you are town but this is mafia so maybe I should just vote you as I must be wrong and you are scum.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

It's been a very slow day.

Which I find pretty odd given that every time I've been on there have been at least 4/5 anons watching the thread.

Shadow says it's been a slow day but I think that is majorly his fault.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

Tholen, on 04 June 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

modkill avoidance. back in 3-4 hrs to catch up and play properly.

That is bullshit. This post shouldn't even count.

[Atrahal]

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ok, this actually makes my decision easier, knowing that Shadow hasn't been putting themselves as 'out there' as much as I thought they had. I'm going with the 'I haven't read the entire series' signalling theory as the best thing currently around. In that scenario Silchas Ruin is the symp signalling to the killer Shadow that they're relatable in some pretty unique way amongst the players here. Shadow has one of the higher post counts but most of that is from the to-and-fro with Desra, mostly having to react rather than instigate - arguably, anyway.

Vote Shadow

Okay the vote of Shadow. This is why I think he "should not" turn out as killer. He posted a lot day one which is something a killer shouldn't really do, as we normally vote that person off. We got lucky with our guard day one, do you think we got lucky with our first train too?

This is the reason I could paint Shadow as a massive symp. Now if not symp, ie Hanas, then it's disbelieving he could be the killer. Yet not improbable.

[Atrahal]

This was aimed at Cast about Tholen's post. Interestingly he asks Cast what he thinks about Karatallid.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I find that somewhat rich coming from you. Seven posts perhaps, but what content?

What do you think about say, Karatallid?

Particularly regarding this accusation by Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Parroting the OP in order to look useful and insightful.

He could also be accused of trying too hard to appear useful while providing no content with his unnecessary D-day calculations.

Also these posts jumped out at me while looking at Kara, just as being a bit unnecessary, and odd.

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

I disagree, he was answering questions, we almost had a conversation going

Until you sent a shadow fax

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

but seriously Kara, don't be discouraged by the oppositional methods of a few. It can be an effective but annoying strategy for sparking the flow of information and ideas, a great mutual exchange of thought

I prefer to ask questions, and trust in the integrity of my fellow players to provide the insight that makes the experience so enriching for everyone


oops, exhausted my BS quota, now what am I gonna do?

Edit: This was aimed at Cast.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ok, this actually makes my decision easier, knowing that Shadow hasn't been putting themselves as 'out there' as much as I thought they had. I'm going with the 'I haven't read the entire series' signalling theory as the best thing currently around. In that scenario Silchas Ruin is the symp signalling to the killer Shadow that they're relatable in some pretty unique way amongst the players here. Shadow has one of the higher post counts but most of that is from the to-and-fro with Desra, mostly having to react rather than instigate - arguably, anyway.

Vote Shadow

This is a ludicrously bad case.

Sadly everyone's made a pathetic effort to contribute, and thus yet again anyone actually being vocal and trying to play the game becomes a target.

Which is why I cannot see him being a killer. Symp possible but Killer?

[Atrahal]

What I find interesting is that Shadow says it was aimed at Cast. Cast who was upset that there was not much content on thread. Cast who says this reply. Shit guys. Shit, this rings my alarm bells!! Next post, the reason we lynched HP...

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I find that somewhat rich coming from you. Seven posts perhaps, but what content?

What do you think about say, Karatallid?

Particularly regarding this accusation by Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Parroting the OP in order to look useful and insightful.

He could also be accused of trying too hard to appear useful while providing no content with his unnecessary D-day calculations.

Is this directed at me? I already said what I thought of the Atra-Kara debate, only I got your name confused with Atrahal's (and then corrected myself just a few posts above). I thought that Atrahal was being dumb, almost wilfully so, with the part of the sentence of Kara's which he took out of context. And personally, I found those D-day calculations quite useful, as I almost never bother to do it for myself.

Anyways, I'm already late for a meeting. Like I said before, there's a chance I may not make it back anytime soon, sorry about that, can't be helped.

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ok, this actually makes my decision easier, knowing that Shadow hasn't been putting themselves as 'out there' as much as I thought they had. I'm going with the 'I haven't read the entire series' signalling theory as the best thing currently around. In that scenario Silchas Ruin is the symp signalling to the killer Shadow that they're relatable in some pretty unique way amongst the players here. Shadow has one of the higher post counts but most of that is from the to-and-fro with Desra, mostly having to react rather than instigate - arguably, anyway.

Vote Shadow

This is a ludicrously bad case.

Sadly everyone's made a pathetic effort to contribute, and thus yet again anyone actually being vocal and trying to play the game becomes a target.

It's awful, I agree, but I don't see better currently. Doesn't mean it's not right anyway, though perhaps for the wrong reasons Really out now.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:16 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I find that somewhat rich coming from you. Seven posts perhaps, but what content?

What do you think about say, Karatallid?

Particularly regarding this accusation by Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Parroting the OP in order to look useful and insightful.

He could also be accused of trying too hard to appear useful while providing no content with his unnecessary D-day calculations.

Is this directed at me? I already said what I thought of the Atra-Kara debate, only I got your name confused with Atrahal's (and then corrected myself just a few posts above). I thought that Atrahal was being dumb, almost wilfully so, with the part of the sentence of Kara's which he took out of context. And personally, I found those D-day calculations quite useful, as I almost never bother to do it for myself.

Anyways, I'm already late for a meeting. Like I said before, there's a chance I may not make it back anytime soon, sorry about that, can't be helped.

No it was aimed at cast.

Though for that matter, it's odd with so little to read you actually managed to make that mistake. I thought your analysis was wishy washy.

There's a fine line between pushing things and just taking things out of context and muddying the waters? Quote it then. Where do you think he's doing that? Do you think it's unfair to accuse Kara of trying too hard to be helpful?

You say he think he was genuinely helpful with the D-day calculations, because you didn't do them. Just because you hadn't done them, doesn't mean it's not a weird thing to post though. Should town really need that pointed out? I mean, at this stage as well? It's not relevant at all at this stage.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:28 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:12 PM, said:

Korlat, on 04 June 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ok, this actually makes my decision easier, knowing that Shadow hasn't been putting themselves as 'out there' as much as I thought they had. I'm going with the 'I haven't read the entire series' signalling theory as the best thing currently around. In that scenario Silchas Ruin is the symp signalling to the killer Shadow that they're relatable in some pretty unique way amongst the players here. Shadow has one of the higher post counts but most of that is from the to-and-fro with Desra, mostly having to react rather than instigate - arguably, anyway.

Vote Shadow

This is a ludicrously bad case.

Sadly everyone's made a pathetic effort to contribute, and thus yet again anyone actually being vocal and trying to play the game becomes a target.

It's awful, I agree, but I don't see better currently. Doesn't mean it's not right anyway, though perhaps for the wrong reasons Really out now.

Maybe there'd be better if people were bothered to actually play.

It's great getting to hop onto a train that is simultaneously decried though, just cause no one else has presented anything better for you to do, lots of info for town there.

[Atrahal]

Shadow blatantly asks Cast what he thinks about Karatallid.

Cast, on 04 June 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I find that somewhat rich coming from you. Seven posts perhaps, but what content?

What do you think about say, Karatallid?

Particularly regarding this accusation by Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Parroting the OP in order to look useful and insightful.

He could also be accused of trying too hard to appear useful while providing no content with his unnecessary D-day calculations.

Also these posts jumped out at me while looking at Kara, just as being a bit unnecessary, and odd.

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

I disagree, he was answering questions, we almost had a conversation going

Until you sent a shadow fax

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

but seriously Kara, don't be discouraged by the oppositional methods of a few. It can be an effective but annoying strategy for sparking the flow of information and ideas, a great mutual exchange of thought

I prefer to ask questions, and trust in the integrity of my fellow players to provide the insight that makes the experience so enriching for everyone


oops, exhausted my BS quota, now what am I gonna do?

Edit: This was aimed at Cast.

Not sure if I see anything there tbh.

His reply below.

Later we use this in the HP case, but it should have fit more in a Kara case.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, I think you may have been right. I think that is why Kara wants to lynch you today.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:09 PM, said:

I find that somewhat rich coming from you. Seven posts perhaps, but what content?

What do you think about say, Karatallid?

Particularly regarding this accusation by Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 03 June 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Parroting the OP in order to look useful and insightful.

He could also be accused of trying too hard to appear useful while providing no content with his unnecessary D-day calculations.

Also these posts jumped out at me while looking at Kara, just as being a bit unnecessary, and odd.

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:26 PM, said:

I disagree, he was answering questions, we almost had a conversation going

Until you sent a shadow fax

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

but seriously Kara, don't be discouraged by the oppositional methods of a few. It can be an effective but annoying strategy for sparking the flow of information and ideas, a great mutual exchange of thought

I prefer to ask questions, and trust in the integrity of my fellow players to provide the insight that makes the experience so enriching for everyone


oops, exhausted my BS quota, now what am I gonna do?

Edit: This was aimed at Cast.

you dare call my posts odd? Don't you know that it's considered rude

Care to actually engage in the game since you're around?

You seem kindly disposed towards Kara, don't you think that pointless discussion about whether the killers were separate teams (was this really necessary? It doesn't seem odd to anyone else?), and posting a bunch of irrelevant D-Day information is just trying too hard to seem like he's contributing? Especially as that keenness for useful contribution seems to have faded somewhat now.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

Hood, on 04 June 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

I don't think you have to worry about getting lynched for talking a lot, somebody has to do it after all.

Stupid day one lynches on vocal players are practically tradition, and the fact that they almost always fail never seems to have done much to dent that.

Shadow makes sense but when he is the accused he could be playing this way on purpose.

[Atrahal]

If only you picked Kara over HP.

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

My point about the early game and people trying to seem to helpful is as follows.

None of this shit is actually contribution:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

*scene*



The set-up consist of 2 independent killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other.
Town has a guard and a healer.
Day is 36 hours. Night is instant, so make sure to provide provisionals.

Hmmm, so with 2 independent killers, can we expect 2 deaths per night? If so...

15 players

WCS is 1 town lynch per day, 2 town deaths per night

Day 2 = 3 scum, 9 town
Day 3 = 3 scum, 6 town
Day 4 = 3 scum, 3 town

WCS, Day 3 is D-Day. Now, given that the killers don't know each other, maybe Day 4 is more D-Day than Day 3, but either way, let's not fuck it up, eh?

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

*scene*



The set-up consist of 2 independent killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other.
Town has a guard and a healer.
Day is 36 hours. Night is instant, so make sure to provide provisionals.

Hmmm, so with 2 independent killers, can we expect 2 deaths per night? If so...

15 players

WCS is 1 town lynch per day, 2 town deaths per night

Day 2 = 3 scum, 9 town
Day 3 = 3 scum, 6 town
Day 4 = 3 scum, 3 town

WCS, Day 3 is D-Day. Now, given that the killers don't know each other, maybe Day 4 is more D-Day than Day 3, but either way, let's not fuck it up, eh?

Do you think the killers are on the same team?

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

I guess of this is an M&P/low TDMI joint, they would have to, otherwise it's a faction game instead. Was this info already stated?

Desra, on 03 June 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

*scene*



The set-up consist of 2 independent killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other.
Town has a guard and a healer.
Day is 36 hours. Night is instant, so make sure to provide provisionals.

Hmmm, so with 2 independent killers, can we expect 2 deaths per night? If so...

15 players

WCS is 1 town lynch per day, 2 town deaths per night

Day 2 = 3 scum, 9 town
Day 3 = 3 scum, 6 town
Day 4 = 3 scum, 3 town

WCS, Day 3 is D-Day. Now, given that the killers don't know each other, maybe Day 4 is more D-Day than Day 3, but either way, let's not fuck it up, eh?

Do you think the killers are on the same team?

Yes I think that the killers are on the same team. That would by why they would have a single symp. It would be the symps job to keep them both alive. This game has been ran a couple of times before. It is a good classic twist on the standard M/P game. I would put it at a tmdi 3.

The post from Desra doesn't seem weird. He steps in and clarifies something that he really shouldn't have needed to. Atrahal also calls the discussion on its shit.

And a similar post from Kara.

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

Well, the OP does say 2 independent killers and a symp.

Independent seems to point at them not necessarily being on the same team, but then what would the point of having a symp be? I think that yes, they're on the same team, they just don't know each other.

Which isn't too odd, but if you compare it to Desra's post, it seems a bit artifically "balanced", a bit wishy washier.

Kara responds to Atrahal pointing out the idiocy of the discussion by explaining how great he is.

Karatallid, on 03 June 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

So, the point of my entire post is to discuss the possibility of scum not being part of the same team. I review the question, posit a theory, and then add facts that we KNOW are true (i.e. they don't know each other) to show that it works within the constraints given to us by PS. It's a simple post, with some simple critical thought put into it. You're trying to make something out of nothing.

Looking over it, I'm not sure if it's Kara or HP's behaviour that I don't like. Kara tries too hard to seem useful, particularly with the maths post. I also much prefer Desra's response to the setup speculation, it's much more straightforward, and doesn't seem to give unnecessary weight to a very unlikely possibility.

The whole discussion is sparked by HP asking really pointless questions though, and I don't like that.

I mean:

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Do you think the killers are on the same team?

Hood, on 03 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

I guess of this is an M&P/low TDMI joint, they would have to, otherwise it's a faction game instead. Was this info already stated?

These just seem very strange questions to me.

I think you make good points here.

[Atrahal]

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Remove vote

Vote Coast Cast

For providing no meaningful contribution.

If you disagree with a case, you could expand on that more than "I don't see anything there". At least try. Do you think the person is genuinely trying to be helpful, do you think the discussion is useful to have, what?

Do you have any of your own suspicions?

So Shadow is playing how I am trying to play and I am going to put him in the same Category as Korlat for now, I see some things that could be sympish but nothing that indicates killer. I am agreeable to posts his makes, and with each post I am becoming more and more convinced of Kara as scum and Cast as his symp, this with the earlier post from Cast following Galayn lord I cannot look away.