[Atrahal]

Shadow could be killer, you could be, Kara could be but one thing is for abso Fucking lutely certain Hanas is the symp.

[Korlat]

I'm on my phone and unable to post properly. But can we slow down a bit please?! Jesus.

[Korlat]

That vote by Cast to jump on Kara's vote so quickly is fucking dodgy.

[Tholen]

Atrahal, on 10 June 2013 - 06:06 PM, said:

Shadow could be killer, you could be, Kara could be but one thing is for abso Fucking lutely certain Hanas is the symp.

Yeah...that hammer and his subsequent response to Desra kinda made that clear. It just goes against everything i've been taught/learned to go after someone who we know will CF as RI. That being said. I'd rather do it now when it isn't D-day.

vote Hanas


I guess I owe Shadow an apology as I have been harping him as symp all game long. I guess I can hope shadow is the killer... but I just don't see it with the way he has played this game. The 2 quick votes on Shadow directly after night are also a little strange and concerning.

[Tholen]

Based on Hanas being Symp, I tend to think that Cast is the likely killer partner. It would also jive with Cast jumping on Shadow so quick after the lynch. So the question... Do we go after 90% probably symp and know we are going to get an RI CF...or do we go after the person he is most likely symping. If we don't do Hanas today then tomorrow is WCS D-day if we haven't got the symp. If Cast were to come back inno we'd be in a really tight spot with Hanas being suspected of being a symp and us voting off a RI CF on D-Day... thats pretty unacceptable. I think we have to vote off Hanas now as I just couldn't bring myself to vote off a RI CF on WCS D-day.

[Cast]

Korlat, on 10 June 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

That vote by Cast to jump on Kara's vote so quickly is fucking dodgy.

Just admit it, there isn't anything I can do that you will like.
I preferred the Shadow lynch before, but Kara was the only other one going that way. Now that HP and Gamelon both CFd as RI, I think we need to return back to that case, which I remind you is one that Tiam A CONFIRMED town liked.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 35 hours and 13 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Hanas ( Tholen )
2 Votes for Shadow ( Karatallid, Cast )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Hanas, Korlat, Shadow

[Tholen]

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Korlat, on 10 June 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

That vote by Cast to jump on Kara's vote so quickly is fucking dodgy.

Just admit it, there isn't anything I can do that you will like.
I preferred the Shadow lynch before, but Kara was the only other one going that way. Now that HP and Gamelon both CFd as RI, I think we need to return back to that case, which I remind you is one that Tiam A CONFIRMED town liked.

Hmmm, do you remember about what page tiam said that he didn't like Shadow? I don't remember him saying that at all.

[Tholen]

Nevermind, found it. Yeah he was all over Shadow. Not sure how I forgot that.

[Karatallid]

I think it makes more sense to go after someone we suspect as being a killer today, and, if they turn up inno, then go after Hanas tomorrow in hopes that it'll give us a bit more time.

[Tholen]

Karatallid, on 10 June 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

I think it makes more sense to go after someone we suspect as being a killer today, and, if they turn up inno, then go after Hanas tomorrow in hopes that it'll give us a bit more time.

It's so hard for me to see myself voting someone who is going to come up RI on a WCS D-day. What if we are wrong and Hanas isn't the symp (unlikely, but possible)... then it's game over.

[Hanas]

Atrahal said:

1370887329[/url]' post='1061732']
On the one hand I am pleased we got the lynch on the other how Fucking scummy was that move by Hanas? We had good discussion going on and plenty of time left on the clock. No town would vote night, no town would Fucking hammer like that.

Fuck you cast. You think I'm the symp after that play? I'm think you and hanas.

"Good discussion going on"? Bullshit. At 3 hours the only thing that was going to happen with more discussion was a no-lynch.

[Hanas]

Tholen said:

1370889839[/url]' post='1061763']

Karatallid said:

1370889208[/url]' post='1061759']
I think it makes more sense to go after someone we suspect as being a killer today, and, if they turn up inno, then go after Hanas tomorrow in hopes that it'll give us a bit more time.

It's so hard for me to see myself voting someone who is going to come up RI on a WCS D-day. What if we are wrong and Hanas isn't the symp (unlikely, but possible)... then it's game over.

It is much better to lynch me today if you think I'm the symp.
Kara's quick vote on Shadow and now telling the town to wait until d-day to lynch the symp? That raises some flags, or ought to.

[Karatallid]

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Tholen, on 10 June 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 10 June 2013 - 06:33 PM, said:

I think it makes more sense to go after someone we suspect as being a killer today, and, if they turn up inno, then go after Hanas tomorrow in hopes that it'll give us a bit more time.

It's so hard for me to see myself voting someone who is going to come up RI on a WCS D-day. What if we are wrong and Hanas isn't the symp (unlikely, but possible)... then it's game over.

It is much better to lynch me today if you think I'm the symp.
Kara's quick vote on Shadow and now telling the town to wait until d-day to lynch the symp? That raises some flags, or ought to.

This doesn't make any sense to me. I'd rather try for the killer until we absolutely have to lynch the symp. There is no need to lynch the symp to win, so if we are 95% certain who the symp is, then there's no point in voting them out until we absolutely have to for a WCS situation. Better to try for the killer and whittle down the pool of possible candidates for killer.

I was gonna ask you why you are trying so hard to deflect from Shadow, but I guess since you're the symp, it makes sense for you to do so!

[Hanas]

Karatallid said:

1370892005[/url]' post='1061781']

Hanas said:

1370890613[/url]' post='1061773']

Tholen said:

1370889839[/url]' post='1061763']

Karatallid said:

1370889208[/url]' post='1061759']
I think it makes more sense to go after someone we suspect as being a killer today, and, if they turn up inno, then go after Hanas tomorrow in hopes that it'll give us a bit more time.

It's so hard for me to see myself voting someone who is going to come up RI on a WCS D-day. What if we are wrong and Hanas isn't the symp (unlikely, but possible)... then it's game over.

It is much better to lynch me today if you think I'm the symp.
Kara's quick vote on Shadow and now telling the town to wait until d-day to lynch the symp? That raises some flags, or ought to.

This doesn't make any sense to me. I'd rather try for the killer until we absolutely have to lynch the symp. There is no need to lynch the symp to win, so if we are 95% certain who the symp is, then there's no point in voting them out until we absolutely have to for a WCS situation. Better to try for the killer and whittle down the pool of possible candidates for killer.

I was gonna ask you why you are trying so hard to deflect from Shadow, but I guess since you're the symp, it makes sense for you to do so!

But I'm the symp remember? And everyone 'knows' it. My deflection from Shadow is therefore a fake deflection. I'm really trying to keep your attention focused away from oh wait, look at the time.

[Hanas]

Desra said:

1370885451[/url]' post='1061710']

Path-Shaper said:

1370885116[/url]' post='1061705']
It is Day 4. 2 hours and 57 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )
5 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas

So the scum killer is probably either Korlat, Tholen or Cast and Hansa is the symp.

I don't think Desra was a symp. But he thought I was. So if I give weight to his suspicions and look at those:
I don't think Korlat is scummy.
Cast has been on everyone's list at one time or another and still around. The quick vote drop on Shadow right after the lynch is shady.
Tholen. Meh. Thinks me hammering HP is scummy but his hammer of the healer is ok.
Of those 3 I have to go with Cast if pushed. She's more likely based upon previous looks at her. (And yeah, that's pretty much saying I think she's suspicious because others think she has been suspicious; not really an accusation that enables a defense.)

Kara has had the hots for Shadow all game; that level of obstinence is simply unscummy to me.
Shadow has been all over the place all game. My weekend read dropped him down my list. But...
Atrahal. Maybe. His spat with Kara on Day 3 about the advisability of discussing possible killer mechanisms had me thinking that either one or the other was scummy. But that was a lot of posts ago.

At the moment, my list is Cast/Tholen, Cast/Shadow, or 1 of those with Atrahal.
I feel like shit so I'm going to go take a nap.
Vote Cast

[Tholen]

Hanas, on 10 June 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

Desra, on 10 June 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 10 June 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 2 hours and 57 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )
5 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas

So the scum killer is probably either Korlat, Tholen or Cast and Hansa is the symp.

I don't think Desra was a symp. But he thought I was. So if I give weight to his suspicions and look at those:
I don't think Korlat is scummy.
Cast has been on everyone's list at one time or another and still around. The quick vote drop on Shadow right after the lynch is shady.
Tholen. Meh. Thinks me hammering HP is scummy but his hammer of the healer is ok.
Of those 3 I have to go with Cast if pushed. She's more likely based upon previous looks at her. (And yeah, that's pretty much saying I think she's suspicious because others think she has been suspicious; not really an accusation that enables a defense.)

Kara has had the hots for Shadow all game; that level of obstinence is simply unscummy to me.
Shadow has been all over the place all game. My weekend read dropped him down my list. But...
Atrahal. Maybe. His spat with Kara on Day 3 about the advisability of discussing possible killer mechanisms had me thinking that either one or the other was scummy. But that was a lot of posts ago.

At the moment, my list is Cast/Tholen, Cast/Shadow, or 1 of those with Atrahal.
I feel like shit so I'm going to go take a nap.
Vote Cast

I have no problem voting Cast... But will only do so letting you guys know that I won't be voting Hanas tomorrow. The fact that I am willing to vote Cast is now suspect as Hanas is the one voting him. So is he distancing, is he not the symp, or is Cast inno. Not sure on this. I'd like Shadow to weigh in as he is garnering a lot of attention. I'd like to see what he says about how the train went down and now this vote by Hanas as I believe Cast was a main suspect of Shadow.

Right now, I like my Hanas Vote, but if he is distancing from Shadow...then obviously thats the way to go. (If he's the symp!!) my head hurts.

WIFOM WIFOM everywhere and not a drop to drink.

[Shadow]

I can't see much reason to vote Hanas, today or tomorrow.

With 7 of us left, we have 2 lynches to get the killer.
If we lynch him, and he is the symp, we'll have 2 lynches after that.
If we lynch him, and he isn't the symp, we'll have one lynch to find the killer.

It doesn't really gain us much.

[Shadow]

Cast, on 10 June 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

which I remind you is one that Tiam A CONFIRMED town liked.

So?

Doesn't add as much weight as your caps would suggest.

[Shadow]

Karatallid, on 10 June 2013 - 04:08 PM, said:

Shadowbasically does the same – pushes the whole let's wait until we get GL's side ofthe story. Of course, if Shadow is scum,that's exactly what he would want, for us to wait until his partner came onlineto do something about the reveal. Ofcourse, GL didn't do a very good job at rebutting the reveal, so there was noreason for any of us to vote elsewhere, and Shadow basically had no choice butto vote him at that point.

I stand by this as simply being good play, and entirely normal.

What exactly am I waiting for my partner to do about the reveal? GL didn't do a good job of rebutting a reveal? Its Ment, he's a good player, but at the end of the day, what exactly do you say when someone's revealed on you? It's not the kind of thing we ignore, and I didn't say we should. We test reveals. Part of that test is waiting to see if anyone counters it.

I would be stupid to think that my supposed partner would come on and someone convince everyone to not bother testing the reveal this time, and it's stupid to suggest it.

I did not want us to potentially be disadvantaged just because people were impatient.