[Galayn Lord]

I'm off to work, I'll check the thread when I can.

[Karatallid]

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, or that KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused about what's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that's just that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, or that KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused about what's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that's just that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven't had any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killers now that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiple reasons.

[Hanas]

Galayn Lord said:

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On the bright side, seems like we have the most incompetent killers in the history of mafia, which betters our chances somewhat.

Incompetent? I'm leaning more towards non-existent. This reminds me of the all symp game.
Vote Night

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, or that KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused about what's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that's just that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven't had any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killers now that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiple reasons.

I just figured that the kill shifted from one killer to the other each night. Either way, I still find it weird that the killers haven't managed to pull off a NK. Why would they abstain? What's the point in that?

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, or that KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused about what's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that's just that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven't had any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killers now that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiple reasons.

I just figured that the kill shifted from one killer to the other each night. Either way, I still find it weird that the killers haven't managed to pull off a NK. Why would they abstain? What's the point in that?

This is the first time this has been mentioned this game. We have seen no kills indicating this. How can we know that you aren't signalling another killer with knowledge that we do not have. Only the killers will know their roles and how it would work. For this I am voting for you.


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Vote Karatallid

[Hood's Path]

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

On the bright side, seems like we have the most incompetent killers in the history of mafia, which betters our chances somewhat.

Incompetent? I'm leaning more towards non-existent. This reminds me of the all symp game.
Vote Night

what is this all about?

[Tiamatha]

Path-Shaper, on 03 June 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

*scene*



The set-up consist of 2 independent killers and a symp. The killers don't know each other.
Town has a guard and a healer.
Day is 36 hours. Night is instant, so make sure to provide provisionals.

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 06 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

On the bright side, seems like we have the most incompetent killers in the history of mafia, which betters our chances somewhat.

Incompetent? I'm leaning more towards non-existent. This reminds me of the all symp game.
Vote Night

Um....

Vote Hanas

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, or that KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused about what's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that's just that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven't had any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killers now that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiple reasons.

I just figured that the kill shifted from one killer to the other each night. Either way, I still find it weird that the killers haven't managed to pull off a NK. Why would they abstain? What's the point in that?

This is the first time this has been mentioned this game. We have seen no kills indicating this. How can we know that you aren't signalling another killer with knowledge that we do not have. Only the killers will know their roles and how it would work. For this I am voting for you.


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Well that's a load of shit... Not sure if it was during Day 1 or at the beginning of Day 2 when we were discussing why there were no NKs, but the idea that the kill alternates between the two killers has certainly been mentioned before. Give me a few minutes and I'll dig up the quotes.

[Tiamatha]

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 12:57 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:59 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

Cast, on 06 June 2013 - 11:07 AM, said:

I signed in too late to do anything, but I don't think there was anything new that would have encouraged me to vote Skintick. I didn't like KL's play here, but she did say she wouldn't have much time this week in the sign up. SUCKS THAT YOU LYNCHED THE FUCKING HEALER!

So now we have two lynch trains to compare.

Path-Shaper, on 04 June 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 30 seconds remaining
15 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha, Venesara

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Silchas Ruin ( Atrahal, Tholen, Karatallid, Tiamatha, Skintick, Shadow, Hanas )
1 Vote for Galayn Lord ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Korlat )

Players not voted: Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Silchas Ruin, Venesara
Silchas Ruin is lynched. He was Knucklehead and RI.

Venesara has been modkilled. He was Shinrei and RI.

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2013 - 09:40 AM, said:

It is Day 2.
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Skintick, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Skintick ( Atrahal, Desra, Hood's Path, Tiamatha, Kara, GL, Tholen )
1 Vote for Hood's Path ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Cast )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas, Korlat, Skintick

"Wbat? Killers? Haven't seen 'em. I healed that guy last night. Why do you have that rope?"

Skintick has been lynched, he was King Lear and the Healer.

What stands out to me here is that Atrahal starts both trains and Tiam and Kara vote one after the other in both around the middle of the train, again building the momentum. If Tiam were symp and trying to follow Atrahal, that would explain his position in both trains as well as the Shadow case. I need to look closer at Kara and Tiam's interactions.

It doesn't also stand out that you are not on either train and both days you have voted for me? Are you not town? Then you'd want to lynch, why are you on neither train, the first train came close to not happening. Skintick revealed healer with an hour to go, how does that help us choose a different target?


Skintick played a terrible game as far as I am concerned. After 4-5 votes she should have come out and give us the information, not fucking say she will say something then disappear. Look at the votes for Skintick, I made my reasoning known. I wasn't to know everyone else would follow my vote.



Should I abstain from voting today?

I want to lynch, but I am not about to follow along like a fucktard on a lynch for a case that I don't agree with. That kind of lazy playing doesn't help town at all. I have my suspicions about you, Tiam and Kara, and considering the amazing success rate (<-- note sarcasm font) of the previous lynches, I think it makes sense for us to start following a different path of reasoning.

So day one you vote for me, day two you vote for me, so what is your "different path of reasoning" today then? You have shown us the way forward yes?

Town needs to stop picking pointless easy votes, and start focussing on interactions. I still want to lynch you, but think Kara or Tiam may be good lynches. I lean more towards Kara as I think Tiam is symp.

I would like to point out that GL was on both lynches as well, though it is not shown on Day 1 due to a MM bug. GL was the hammer.

[Tiamatha]

So why are you voting night Hanas? I fail to see how that helps town in the least. The OP is clear, and as we have seen from our full CF, there was a healer, which would be pointless if Lizra was fucking with our heads. Are you a scum killer desperate for another chance to kill since you fucked up last night, perhaps because you had your kill set on Skintick without a provisional? Hmmmmm?

[Hanas]

Karatallid said:

1370529261[/url]' post='1060785']

Atrahal said:

1370527533[/url]' post='1060778']

Karatallid said:

1370526881[/url]' post='1060777']

Atrahal said:

1370526221[/url]' post='1060775']

Karatallid said:

1370526033[/url]' post='1060774']
Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, or that KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused about what's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that's just that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven't had any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killers now that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiple reasons.

I just figured that the kill shifted from one killer to the other each night. Either way, I still find it weird that the killers haven't managed to pull off a NK. Why would they abstain? What's the point in that?

This is the first time this has been mentioned this game. We have seen no kills indicating this. How can we know that you aren't signalling another killer with knowledge that we do not have. Only the killers will know their roles and how it would work. For this I am voting for you.


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Vote Karatallid

Well that's a load of shit... Not sure if it was during Day 1 or at the beginning of Day 2 when we were discussing why there were no NKs, but the idea that the kill alternates between the two killers has certainly been mentioned before. Give me a few minutes and I'll dig up the quotes.

It was shadow. About 10 minutes into day 2.
As for my night vote. Now that I have your attention:
All we've done so far is have lots of finger pointing and two town lynches. And two nights with no kills.
2 killers independent of each other. Maybe they can only kill on alternate nights. Maybe they have to kill the other before they can start killing us.
I don't know. But until I see evidence of a killer I'm not going to vote for anyone. We're simply thinning our own ranks for them.

[Karatallid]

Shadow, on 04 June 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

Hanas, on 04 June 2013 - 10:23 PM, said:

13 players. 2 killers. 1 guard. 1 healer.
No NKs
Very good guessing. 1 or both killers abstaining. Or mod shenanigans.
Day 2 looks to be fun. Where's the popcorn?

Yeah, really unsure what to make of it.

It's possible they kill on alternate nights for example. It has been the case before anyway, not sure how likely it is.

Co-ordinated withhold? Or just both independently deciding to, it's a feasible strategy.

Really unsure.

Shadow, on 05 June 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

Gamelon, on 05 June 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

I'm here and thanks to the small amount of posts on thread caught up.
Will be on and off for some time.*








*I cannot care less about what happens on thread, but unfortunately I don't like to be mod-killed and ruin the game so I will post and hope you lynch me or I will get nked.

Town not playing an being a distraction is more annoying imo. If you're town and we lynch you for not playing, it's a worse result than you being modkilled. If you have enough time and want to play the game, you should try and contribute. If you don't, then why sign up? This kind of coasting is a total pain.

Karatallid, on 05 June 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

Wow, a whole like 10 posts since I left yesterday. Oh well, at least we got the lynch. As I suspected, Silchas came back town. Doesn't discount him being the symp, but I guess we shall see how the game goes. I am surprised and confused about the no NK situation. Possible that no provisionals were given? Maybe the killers, or at least one of them, actually is one of the low posters.

Another possibility. Still seems sort of unlikely. It's not like there was a speed lynch, they had a lot of time, and if they knew they wouldn't be around much it seems unlikely they'd not put a provisional in at least.

More likely if they do kill on alternate nights or something like that. Also possible they'd had a prov in on shin or something.

Korlat, on 05 June 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 05 June 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Having no kill on night one with a modkill and a lynch benefits us. I am hoping for a similar outcome tonight minus the modkill.

Wait, so you're hoping that we can get a lynch and that there are no kills in the night? Why didn't you also mention that you hope the lynch is a successful scum lynch and so fully declare your inno intentions and beliefs to the thread?

Agree with this sentiment.

[Tiamatha]

Hanas, on 06 June 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 01:40 PM, said:

Wish I hadn't been in bed when Day timed out, or that KL had revealed earlier than she did. I'm mighty confused about what's happening with the NKs. I mean, do we have a guard that's just that good, or do the killers really suck that bad?

I find this post scummy. I'm happy we haven't had any kills. We'd need to have a double gaurd for him to block both killers now that the healer is dead. I think they are abstaining. It could be multiple reasons.

I just figured that the kill shifted from one killer to the other each night. Either way, I still find it weird that the killers haven't managed to pull off a NK. Why would they abstain? What's the point in that?

This is the first time this has been mentioned this game. We have seen no kills indicating this. How can we know that you aren't signalling another killer with knowledge that we do not have. Only the killers will know their roles and how it would work. For this I am voting for you.


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Vote Karatallid

Well that's a load of shit... Not sure if it was during Day 1 or at the beginning of Day 2 when we were discussing why there were no NKs, but the idea that the kill alternates between the two killers has certainly been mentioned before. Give me a few minutes and I'll dig up the quotes.

It was shadow. About 10 minutes into day 2.
As for my night vote. Now that I have your attention:
All we've done so far is have lots of finger pointing and two town lynches. And two nights with no kills.
2 killers independent of each other. Maybe they can only kill on alternate nights. Maybe they have to kill the other before they can start killing us.
I don't know. But until I see evidence of a killer I'm not going to vote for anyone. We're simply thinning our own ranks for them.

Nice try. Unfortunately, way off base, but again, nice try. So the only way for town to get scum is through lynching. If we have a suspect and a line of reasoning, the only way to gather evidence and proof is to lynch and receive that full CF (I emphasize full CF because other than the symp, we know exactly who we have lynched). To avoid voting and lose a lynch basically gives scum another free shot at us, making up for the previous 2 nights. What you propose only benefits scum, and for someone who has been low posting, pointing only at Gamelon and Atrahal, it behooves one such as you to allow others to further dig their grave while you coast your way to victory.

[Atrahal]

Well um, this is easiest way for a killer to let another killer know who they are. They will presumably have the same PM so by discussing possibilities they can throw the right one on thread to signal the other. Reading fail by me much? I'd be happy to vote him for mentioning it first or you for just going along with it.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Well um, this is easiest way for a killer to let another killer know who they are. They will presumably have the same PM so by discussing possibilities they can throw the right one on thread to signal the other. Reading fail by me much? I'd be happy to vote him for mentioning it first or you for just going along with it.

The idea that 2 killers, having 2 kills, either abstained, failed to provide a provisional, or were blocked by town on both nights stretches credulity. After the 2nd night of no action from the killers, I assumed that the alternating kill thing was most likely. It's a lot more believable that town managed to block 1 killer each night, or that 1 killer made a mistake on one or each night than it is that 2 kills were blocked on both nights.

[Tiamatha]

Does anyone with more mafia experience (whether through veteran status or actually modding) wish to comment about game balance in relation to 2 kills per night versus an alternating kill? Having never really modded, I am unsure upon the reasoning behind such game creation.

[Tiamatha]

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Well um, this is easiest way for a killer to let another killer know who they are. They will presumably have the same PM so by discussing possibilities they can throw the right one on thread to signal the other. Reading fail by me much? I'd be happy to vote him for mentioning it first or you for just going along with it.

The idea that 2 killers, having 2 kills, either abstained, failed to provide a provisional, or were blocked by town on both nights stretches credulity. After the 2nd night of no action from the killers, I assumed that the alternating kill thing was most likely. It's a lot more believable that town managed to block 1 killer each night, or that 1 killer made a mistake on one or each night than it is that 2 kills were blocked on both nights.

A mistake like setting up a kill without a provisional perhaps ?

[Karatallid]

Tiamatha, on 06 June 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 06 June 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 06 June 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Well um, this is easiest way for a killer to let another killer know who they are. They will presumably have the same PM so by discussing possibilities they can throw the right one on thread to signal the other. Reading fail by me much? I'd be happy to vote him for mentioning it first or you for just going along with it.

The idea that 2 killers, having 2 kills, either abstained, failed to provide a provisional, or were blocked by town on both nights stretches credulity. After the 2nd night of no action from the killers, I assumed that the alternating kill thing was most likely. It's a lot more believable that town managed to block 1 killer each night, or that 1 killer made a mistake on one or each night than it is that 2 kills were blocked on both nights.

A mistake like setting up a kill without a provisional perhaps ?

Yeah, I don't want to try and guess what's going on in the killers head, it's all WIFOM anyway, really. But given how the last couple of nights have gone down, I think it's likely that we have an alternating kill.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 30 hours and 29 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Karatallid ( Atrahal )
1 Vote for Tholen ( Shadow )
1 Vote for Atrahal ( Galayn Lord )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Night ( Hanas )

Players not voted: Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Tholen