[Kessobahn]

For now I am going to

vote Sorrit


he has laid pretty low, is a potential recruit, and a potential scum player.

I would be open to an Eloth lynch as a scum trying to quickly push a RI/recruit lynch. I would also be open to a few of the other lurky type players if more info comes forward.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kessobahn, on 29 May 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

For now I am going to

vote Sorrit


he has laid pretty low, is a potential recruit, and a potential scum player.

I would be open to an Eloth lynch as a scum trying to quickly push a RI/recruit lynch. I would also be open to a few of the other lurky type players if more info comes forward.

I agree that he would be quiet a good recruit option but:
1)as you yourself said, we need to look for the recruiter, not the recruit.
2)If I was the recruiter, I would want some vocal people on thread (like Karosis or Aranatha)

Eloth looks quiet scummy to me too, but he looks far too distracted and it seems like his mistakes were made because of he didn't care.

[Tulas Shorn]

That was an intriguing turn of events. For the record, I consider Shelly PI for today. I think that there are several options for why the day was moved forward again after Shelly was saved.

- If it was town TL, in order to stop us from getting hung up on lynching Shelly AGAIN. This would have been stupid as we knew that Shelly was an RI, but at still 6 votes on them and a few hours left (5? 6?) the TL might have wanted to avoid town acting super-retarded as in Mafia 101

- If it was town TL, then maybe they ended the day in order to not give scum another opportunity to put in another recruit order.

- If it was scum TL, then they could have done it to create confusion about Shelly's role. It is, I suppose, possible that the scum TL saved Shelly so that the recruiter could recruit them, and we would all think of them as PI the next day. Whilst this might appear clever on the surface, such a situation would only last one day at most before we go back to being as suspicious of Shelly as anyone else.


I have a suggestion regarding how to lynch which has just come to me, based on option 2. If the town TL really does have a limited supply of time, as in the first game, then I think that we should leave off hammering a lynch until near to the end of a day. That way, if we get it wrong, they don't have to expend a lot of time reversing to before they were lynched and then moving forward again to the new day, if indeed the town TL is doing so in order to prevent a recruitment.

Of course, the above suggestion doesn't take into account the buggering of time by the scum TL. And it also means that the scum TL wouldn't have to expend a lot of time saving a teammate should we actually get the lynch correct.

[Omtose]

Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

I have a suggestion regarding how to lynch which has just come to me, based on option 2. If the town TL really does have a limited supply of time, as in the first game, then I think that we should leave off hammering a lynch until near to the end of a day. That way, if we get it wrong, they don't have to expend a lot of time reversing to before they were lynched and then moving forward again to the new day, if indeed the town TL is doing so in order to prevent a recruitment.

Of course, the above suggestion doesn't take into account the buggering of time by the scum TL. And it also means that the scum TL wouldn't have to expend a lot of time saving a teammate should we actually get the lynch correct.

So basically we can ignore this part.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Omtose, on 29 May 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 29 May 2013 - 06:39 PM, said:

I have a suggestion regarding how to lynch which has just come to me, based on option 2. If the town TL really does have a limited supply of time, as in the first game, then I think that we should leave off hammering a lynch until near to the end of a day. That way, if we get it wrong, they don't have to expend a lot of time reversing to before they were lynched and then moving forward again to the new day, if indeed the town TL is doing so in order to prevent a recruitment.

Of course, the above suggestion doesn't take into account the buggering of time by the scum TL. And it also means that the scum TL wouldn't have to expend a lot of time saving a teammate should we actually get the lynch correct.

So basically we can ignore this part.

Actually Not.
1)There is a far greater chance of lynching town.
2)We can just lynch the found scum again.

[Omtose]

So defensive time reversals are largely useless. Unless really well timed by the defensive TL and/or done at points in real time when people cannot revote/action etc? Which would take some extensive studying of posting frequency/timing.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 32 hours 49 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Karosis )
1 vote for Sorrit (Kessobahn)


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 31 hours 51 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Karosis )
1 vote for Sorrit (Kessobahn)


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

[Path-Shaper]

Ok this mod is taking off.

V

[Merrid]

Eloth, on 29 May 2013 - 04:40 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Oh and whichever side Shely is on, someone is expending large amounts of time to see them live.

Or Town TL to stop the first recruitment happening. Possibly a very nice move there.

What makes you think that any recruit mechanism was just foiled?

Possibly it wasn't and the scum TL was double-dipping his recruitment. But then our roled town should have been doing the same, those that can.

If recruiting can be sped like that then it'll be a very short game. Could have been over already in fact. All it needs is a mod is around at day end to move time.

Day ends.
Recruit.
Rewind one hour.
New target.
Forward one hour.
Recruit.
Back an hour.
New target.
Forward an hour.
Recruit.

Were the scum TL planning this we'd all log in to find we'd been recruited. So I'm making the assumption that there is either no double recruiting or that you can do but the amount of time needed is significant - >=7 hours? - therefore making it an innovative tactic but not sustainable*.

I'm going to keep these assumptions till there's a decent alternative. Town roled can possibly verify one to themselves but only they'd know.

*Assuming that the TLs have a limited pool of time to call on of course. They may well have an initial pool then each day gain x hours of time.

[Merrid]

Kessobahn, on 29 May 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Back and Caught up.

I am not sure what the point of the time shifts are. Shelly is RI. Is he really worth saving like that? One would think our TL would be more interested in saving the roled members of town. Unless it was the scum TL, in which case, I am guessing he moved time forward to get a recruitment in. It's hard to follow the logic here.

To those that advocate a relynch of Shelly, I think that's stupid. We need to be chasing the recruiter, not the potentially recruited. Sure Shelly is a candidate for recruitment, but scum now know he is RI, I would think they have bigger fish to fry. I also think they would go after someone that hasn't generated much heat to this point and has layed low. . Someone like Gait, Merrid, or Sorrit.

You've been laying pretty damned low yourself.

[Kessobahn]

Merrid, on 29 May 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 29 May 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

Back and Caught up.

I am not sure what the point of the time shifts are. Shelly is RI. Is he really worth saving like that? One would think our TL would be more interested in saving the roled members of town. Unless it was the scum TL, in which case, I am guessing he moved time forward to get a recruitment in. It's hard to follow the logic here.

To those that advocate a relynch of Shelly, I think that's stupid. We need to be chasing the recruiter, not the potentially recruited. Sure Shelly is a candidate for recruitment, but scum now know he is RI, I would think they have bigger fish to fry. I also think they would go after someone that hasn't generated much heat to this point and has layed low. . Someone like Gait, Merrid, or Sorrit.

You've been laying pretty damned low yourself.

I was the subject of a few votes and was probably the 2nd or 3rd most likely lynch target yesterday. I've given an opinion in most of my posts that can later be fact checked towards end game and I have voted early on both days. Not sure how that's considered laying low...but that's your call. You can put me on your list of low-laying players.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 30 hours 19 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Karosis )
1 vote for Sorrit (Kessobahn)


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn 

[Tennes]

So if we agree we can PI Shelly for day1 and Day 2, looking back at Day 1 we have Omtose starting with a joke vote on Shelly, the Shelly/Karosis spat. There is usually a lot of joke voting, but what are the thoughts on Karosis?

[Sorrit]

I don't like Karo personally. Just finished reading over everything, and I got the impression that he twists words or deliberately misunderstands posts to build cases. I didn't see any merit in voting Shelly obviously, not that my busy-ness has allowed me to do much else than try to keep up.

Other really questionable individuals in my book include Nimander for fishing for town roles and Eloth for dropping votes and acting like it wasn't a big deal (votes without explanations are careless if not suspicious; assuming people know your motivations is like assuming people read the OP).

Right now of those three, I am leaning Nimander (and will review him again to confirm my suspicions).

Vote Nimander.

[Eloth]

Sorrit said:

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Other really questionable individuals in my book include Nimander for fishing for town roles and Eloth for dropping votes and acting like it wasn't a big deal (votes without explanations are careless if not suspicious; assuming people know your motivations is like assuming people read the OP).

Right now of those three, I am leaning Nimander (and will review him again to confirm my suspicions).

Vote Nimander.

I think Shelly is going to come to haunt us, but it's obvious no one else agrees with me.
I could go along with Nimander for the reason you give.
Tennes for playing dumb.
Low poster hunt maybe.
I am bone tired and in foul humor, so I shall leave without voting. See what the situation looks like after a good nap.

[Sorrit]

Evidence to back up my vote (excuse redundancy for emphasis):

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 May 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 28 May 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 04:35 PM, said:

I'm back! You'll all be pleased to know that I found a big investor for my mint chocolate licorice business. Be on the lookout for Heavenly Cords™ to hit the market Q2 next year. And now I shall go and catch up.

Dude you are soooooooo funny!

I know

So if I'm reading correctly we have 5 pages of discussion over the Timelord role which we shouldn't even need since we've trod this ground before, and a burgeoning pissing match between SL and Kar. Am I up to date or did I miss something?

Personally I'm interested in what the 4th town role could be. Healer or finder seems most likely to me.

Healer makes no sense, unless scum has a kill. Otherwise, it is just there to neutralize the vig in case he gets recruited, and what are the odds that the healer then picks the right guy to heal at the right night?
Finder is perhaps a tiny bit OP as town has a both a vig + a guard, both of whom team excellently with a finder. I wouldn't count on it.

Good point about the healer. I take it you assume the High Court have off thread comms?

Asking about town roles is a big no no. This caught my attention and started my suspicion.

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 10:40 PM, said:

Why thank you for clarifying your position in a level headed and concise manner. See Eloth, this is why I like to ask people questions. You usually get these nice things called answers which help you to formulate opinions. Sometimes you even get slip ups which are convenient ways of identifying scum. Maybe next time you want to make unnecessarily harsh statements you'll remember that it is only through promoting discussion that we identify scum.

Defending his town-role hunt, he sounds like he's doing damage control, even turning his mistake back on those calling him out (he does this later when his town-role hunt was brought up again).

Nimander Golit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

And I'm caught up. I wasn't really sold on the Shelly case before I left but emo self votes on day 1 are unforgivable in my mind. Add that to the fact that day 1 is often just 'kill a random and hope for the best' day anyway leaves me with no qualms as I:

vote Sheltatha Lore

And this is what makes me think that there is something behind this scummy behavior. Nimander is being a little careless, such as saying he read up when obviously he didn't (or at least didn't read up well) and then hammering before thinking. He tries to act like a thoughtful townie, but really doesn't do much for town, even asking some questions that are counter productive.

High poster, but not much that is overtly helpful (also, as a side note, remember his accusations over Tennes contradicting himself when really it was Nimander's own reading prowess that was the problem).

Ok, out for now.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 29 hours 13 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Karosis )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
1 vote Nimander ( Sorrit )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Tulas Shorn  

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 28 hours 9 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Karosis )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
1 vote Nimander ( Sorrit )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Tulas Shorn   

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 26 hours 49 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Karosis )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
1 vote Nimander ( Sorrit )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Tulas Shorn