[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 26 hours 8 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Eloth ( Karosis )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
1 vote Nimander ( Sorrit )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Tennes, Tulas Shorn   

I am going to bed. Next update whenever Venge gets to it!

[Nimander Golit]

Hello thread. I see there's some people casting aspersions upon my good name. Seems pretty weak frankly. I don't read thoroughly? Perhaps that's true. If I thought I needed to defend myself I would try to make an effort but my internet cut out this afternoon and though I got it back it's become very intermittent. For now I'll trust level heads to prevail and will log in from the library as soon as I can get there tomorrow.

[Gait]

Eloth, on 29 May 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Other really questionable individuals in my book include Nimander for fishing for town roles and Eloth for dropping votes and acting like it wasn't a big deal (votes without explanations are careless if not suspicious; assuming people know your motivations is like assuming people read the OP).

Right now of those three, I am leaning Nimander (and will review him again to confirm my suspicions).

Vote Nimander.

I think Shelly is going to come to haunt us, but it's obvious no one else agrees with me.
I could go along with Nimander for the reason you give.
Tennes for playing dumb.
Low poster hunt maybe.
I am bone tired and in foul humor, so I shall leave without voting. See what the situation looks like after a good nap.

Why are you so insistent on Shelly? I agree with people that she is PI today. And even if she gets recruited we know that she is neither the recruiter nor the TL. Going for Shelly would only give them another day .
Together with the lazy way you voted yesterday, I like this play even less than Nimanders.

vote Eloth




I have a busy day and no internet connection until I get home again, so I'll be gone for roughly 10 hours.

[Fener]

been out drinking all evening. Got graduation ceremony tomorrow, so more drinking to come.

I expect I'll have some free and sober time tomorrow morning to give an actual opinion abou the game.

[Aranatha]

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Hello thread. I see there's some people casting aspersions upon my good name. Seems pretty weak frankly.

I don't give a fuck about your good name, but I give a fuck about playing well.

Quote

I don't read thoroughly? Perhaps that's true.

And if you admit that, it is pretty damning in and by itself and makes me distrustful of you. If you don't read well, how good are your opinions going to be?
How much time would we have to spend to correct this deficiency by prodding, quoting, casemaking et cetera?
And we accept you not reading correctly, are we not giving you an alibi to coast through the game, and be off in your interpretations, reasoning and so forth?
If we give you that alibi, what's going to prevent others from using it?
Wouldn't that be an ideal position for scum to be in, and wouldn't that make you a good recruit if you aren't yet scum?

[Aranatha]

I would like to search/ lynch in a different direction than the names being thrown around right now Eloth/ Nimander.
I definately don't want to lynch Sheltatha today.


The reason being, I don't expect scum to play as loose as Eloth has done, nor as confused as Tennes has been. Nimander is odd, could be sympish, but I don't see a recruiter playing like that - too vital a role to risk losing to someone who's getting really pissed off and making an omgus case plus 1-3 jumping on the bandwagon. The Shelly lynch was almost like that. The scum Timelord I expect to behave like a symp, NG could be that.

Anyway, all three are basically begging to be offed on a day on which we have no real clues. They start to raise a little bit of frustration across the board by going against simple standards for town play, and faulty town play is a heaven for scum. Not only is it likely to culminate into a town lynch, it also presents scum with the chance to be holier-than-thou and build their image as a useful townie - without it requiring to take a stance that can backfire on them later.

So, I expect the recruiter to play very restrained, almost strict by the rules.

[Karosis]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

I would like to search/ lynch in a different direction than the names being thrown around right now Eloth/ Nimander.
I definately don't want to lynch Sheltatha today.


The reason being, I don't expect scum to play as loose as Eloth has done, nor as confused as Tennes has been. Nimander is odd, could be sympish, but I don't see a recruiter playing like that - too vital a role to risk losing to someone who's getting really pissed off and making an omgus case plus 1-3 jumping on the bandwagon. The Shelly lynch was almost like that. The scum Timelord I expect to behave like a symp, NG could be that.

Anyway, all three are basically begging to be offed on a day on which we have no real clues. They start to raise a little bit of frustration across the board by going against simple standards for town play, and faulty town play is a heaven for scum. Not only is it likely to culminate into a town lynch, it also presents scum with the chance to be holier-than-thou and build their image as a useful townie - without it requiring to take a stance that can backfire on them later.

So, I expect the recruiter to play very restrained, almost strict by the rules.

Who fits that MO?


I see a potential link to Sorrit and Eloth. Eloth received some heat towards the back end of day one, today he comes on and points a finger in Nimander's direction quoting a Fener post. Then Sorrit comes on and makes a case on Nimander. Does this fit with how they played day one?

[Karosis]

Just look at this, up to page 4. Eloth votes Sorrit, no explanation but he does quote my vote of Barghast post so we can assume it is for low posting.

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 05:38 PM, said:

Karosis, on 28 May 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

Barghast, Sorrit and Ay Estos.


Ay Estos has one vote already.



Vote Barghast

Vote Sorrit

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 28 May 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

So you're saying that the nested quotes were just misleading me?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Because going back to the two comments (138 and 139) Tennes made it's obvious that his use of "WIFOM" was aimed at Sheltatha Lore, not Karosis.

Starts his suspicion of Nimander with this little poke.

Eloth, on 28 May 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 28 May 2013 - 08:49 PM, said:

Tennes, on 28 May 2013 - 12:22 PM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 May 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 28 May 2013 - 11:28 AM, said:

Aranatha, on 28 May 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

I guess. Where the fuck is everyone, anyway?Ay Estos, Barghast, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn still to come on thread.Damned slackers. Vote Ay Estos. I hate double names, anyway. And that goes for you, as well, Shelly. You're one redeeming feature is that you're online.

You are judging them early, they may be sleeping or something.Can you stop using so many commas ?

As long as I am within the forum regulations regarding content and style, I see no point to change my writing style just for your convenience. If I want to type with comma's, I will. I suggest you get used to them: I plan to last some time this game. That being said, I will admit that the apostrophe in You're (..one redeeming feature) was excessive and in fact, both a spelling mistake as well as a grammatical mistake. But that was an apostrophe, not a comma.The past five comma's have been brought to you by Aranatha, commissioner of comma's.

Comma-gate all over again!

Apostrophe gate?

Finally stole a phone with some internetz (thank god for family )!

Why would someone waste the effort moving the clock forward an hour on day 1?

Playing with a new toy?

Remove Vote

Removes vote.



This is strange seem as I was looking at how day two started.

[Karosis]

First thing I notice about Sorrit is that he waits 20 hours before posting. That is a lot of discussion and posts before he comes on thread. he only come son thread after being voted for, ie Eloth day one and as you can see day two, Kessobahn votes for him and he appears with a case on Nimander.

[Karosis]

So I see self preservation from Sorrit and Eloth is still wanting to vote Shelly. So, although I can see where people are coming from in terms of Nimander, I don't think these two players are trustworthy. I could definitely see them as scum 1 and scum 2.

Kessobahn, on 29 May 2013 - 06:21 PM, said:

For now I am going to

vote Sorrit


he has laid pretty low, is a potential recruit, and a potential scum player.

I would be open to an Eloth lynch as a scum trying to quickly push a RI/recruit lynch. I would also be open to a few of the other lurky type players if more info comes forward.

Sorrit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

I don't like Karo personally. Just finished reading over everything, and I got the impression that he twists words or deliberately misunderstands posts to build cases. I didn't see any merit in voting Shelly obviously, not that my busy-ness has allowed me to do much else than try to keep up.

Other really questionable individuals in my book include Nimander for fishing for town roles and Eloth for dropping votes and acting like it wasn't a big deal (votes without explanations are careless if not suspicious; assuming people know your motivations is like assuming people read the OP).

Right now of those three, I am leaning Nimander (and will review him again to confirm my suspicions).

Vote Nimander.

Eloth, on 29 May 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Other really questionable individuals in my book include Nimander for fishing for town roles and Eloth for dropping votes and acting like it wasn't a big deal (votes without explanations are careless if not suspicious; assuming people know your motivations is like assuming people read the OP).

Right now of those three, I am leaning Nimander (and will review him again to confirm my suspicions).

Vote Nimander.

I think Shelly is going to come to haunt us, but it's obvious no one else agrees with me.
I could go along with Nimander for the reason you give.
Tennes for playing dumb.
Low poster hunt maybe.
I am bone tired and in foul humor, so I shall leave without voting. See what the situation looks like after a good nap.

[Ay Estos]

Sorrit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

I don't like Karo personally. Just finished reading over everything, and I got the impression that he twists words or deliberately misunderstands posts to build cases. I didn't see any merit in voting Shelly obviously, not that my busy-ness has allowed me to do much else than try to keep up.

Other really questionable individuals in my book include Nimander for fishing for town roles and Eloth for dropping votes and acting like it wasn't a big deal (votes without explanations are careless if not suspicious; assuming people know your motivations is like assuming people read the OP).

Right now of those three, I am leaning Nimander (and will review him again to confirm my suspicions).

Vote Nimander.

Dropping votes like it's not a big deal, this happens a lot in mafia especially if you don't have time or don't want to simply parrot the same reasons already mentioned. I was sort of coming into the idea of voting for Nimander as well based on what people have been picking up on, except for this:

Eloth, on 29 May 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 29 May 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Other really questionable individuals in my book include Nimander for fishing for town roles and Eloth for dropping votes and acting like it wasn't a big deal (votes without explanations are careless if not suspicious; assuming people know your motivations is like assuming people read the OP).

Right now of those three, I am leaning Nimander (and will review him again to confirm my suspicions).

Vote Nimander.

I think Shelly is going to come to haunt us, but it's obvious no one else agrees with me.
I could go along with Nimander for the reason you give.
Tennes for playing dumb.
Low poster hunt maybe.
I am bone tired and in foul humor, so I shall leave without voting. See what the situation looks like after a good nap.

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Hello thread. I see there's some people casting aspersions upon my good name. Seems pretty weak frankly. I don't read thoroughly? Perhaps that's true. If I thought I needed to defend myself I would try to make an effort but my internet cut out this afternoon and though I got it back it's become very intermittent. For now I'll trust level heads to prevail and will log in from the library as soon as I can get there tomorrow.

Now, this could be the "HO" defense, but I would almost expect more effort than this from a genuine scum. Will keep a Nimander consideration on the back burner for further contribution from him. If none is forthcoming though, I will be tempted to cry "HO" and vote him.

I will admit to not understanding Eloth's belief that Shelly will come back to bite us. I'm not seeing it, at least not on day 1 or 2.

edit: strikethrough

This post has been edited by Ay Estos: 30 May 2013 - 09:06 AM

[Aranatha]

Eloth's idea that a Shelly lynch may be mandatory in the future is perhaps a correct one. What better recruit target than a PI?




That being said, a premature Shelly lynch, as he more or less seems to advocate, is a dumb idea. We'd lynch a guy with the PI tag and the inno status (most likely, unless scum changed provisionals) in order to PREVENT scum from recruiting him. Meanwhile, scum would recruit someone else and we'd be 2 inno's down by default.

The question is, is this a scummy play by Eloth?

[Sheltatha Lore]

I just had a brilliant idea!
a)scum recruit someone
b)day ends
c)x hours pass (enough time so that both TLs together can't bring the time to before recruitment
d)the recruit gets the name of recruiter
And when
a)scum recruit someone
b)day ends and the new day begins
c)someone rewinds time back to before recruitment
d)the first scum recruit doesn't get the name of recruiter, is actually not recruited.
e)scum recruit someone else

The partial CFs gave me this idea.
This theory is dependent on TLs being like last game and having just the original stack of time...

[Sheltatha Lore]

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 09:56 AM, said:

Eloth's idea that a Shelly lynch may be mandatory in the future is perhaps a correct one. What better recruit target than a PI?




That being said, a premature Shelly lynch, as he more or less seems to advocate, is a dumb idea. We'd lynch a guy with the PI tag and the inno status (most likely, unless scum changed provisionals) in order to PREVENT scum from recruiting him. Meanwhile, scum would recruit someone else and we'd be 2 inno's down by default.

The question is, is this a scummy play by Eloth?

I'm gonna defend Eloth here. His idea is actually a sound one, the scum could have recruited me in the second night1 if there was a delay between when the time was rewinded and when the time went forward. (but there was not, I think he is just mistaken)
Also, I completely agree that I would be a good lynch target on a D-Day if you have no other clues.

[Aranatha]

Ehm, can you explain why this is good or bad, but mostly why it is brilliant? Because I don't see it. I also think

x hours pass so that TLs can't wind back enough;

and

the TLs wind back time to before the recruit

are mutually exclusive?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Sheltatha Lore, on 30 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

I just had a brilliant idea!
a)scum recruit someone
b)day ends
c)x hours pass (enough time so that both TLs together can't bring the time to before recruitment
d)the recruit gets the name of recruiter
And when
a)scum recruit someone
b)day ends and the new day begins
c)someone rewinds time back to before recruitment[The first recruit doesn't have the name of recruiter]
d)the first scum recruit doesn't get the name of recruiter, is actually not recruited. Recruit1 gets unrecruited.
e)scum recruit someone else

The partial CFs gave me this idea.
This theory is dependent on TLs being like last game and having just the original stack of time...

Aranatha, on 30 May 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

Ehm, can you explain why this is good or bad, but mostly why it is brilliant? Because I don't see it. I also think

x hours pass so that TLs can't wind back enough;

and

the TLs wind back time to before the recruit

are mutually exclusive?

well, brilliant was something I added so I would sound cool.
It's neither good nor bad. It's a way to stop the game breaking ...

[Sheltatha Lore]

Vote Nimander




I explained why before...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 16 hours 10 minutes remaining

14 Players still alive: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Karosis, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 vote Eloth ( Karosis, Gait )
1 vote Sorrit ( Kessobahn )
2 vote Nimander ( Sorrit, Sheltatha Lore )


Players not voted: Aranatha, Ay Estos, Eloth, Fener, Gait, Kessobahn, Merrid, Nimander Golit, Omtose, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

[Sheltatha Lore]

Nimander has not voted nimander ...

[Omtose]

Nimander Golit, on 30 May 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

Hello thread. I see there's some people casting aspersions upon my good name. Seems pretty weak frankly. I don't read thoroughly? Perhaps that's true. If I thought I needed to defend myself I would try to make an effort but my internet cut out this afternoon and though I got it back it's become very intermittent. For now I'll trust level heads to prevail and will log in from the library as soon as I can get there tomorrow.

"Doesn't read good", blames internet connection for not defending/posting, self proclaims "good name" and tries to inspire feeling of trust by implying that if we don't we are not "level headed". Subliminal implications and outsourcing blame.

Vote Nimander Golit