[Serc]

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

What I find odd Ruse, is that you seem to think that the Denul vote is suspicious (in that you think it's fake symping). But at the same time you discount the possibility of just regular symping, which seems the more common tactic and the more likely case.

Personally, Thyrs vote looks like a joke vote to me. Maybe symping, maybe not. In a way, he's unlucky the game went serious quickly, because normally we have way more joke vote stuff. I guess this is also the reason people are getting paranoid about any avatar banter.

Though on a meta note, it would be cool if we could get into the habit of not dropping joke votes etc, to generally make it harder for scum.

What I believe is that the vote was a joke vote. Yet there are possibilities with the vote itself

Town making a joke vote, putting themselves out there to be scrutinized

Symp making signalling vote

Symp making fake signalling vote

killer making symp like vote

I personally think it was a joke vote and nothing more. Denul is going to come up town, in 3 out of the 4 scenarious therefore it could be a brave play by scum. We will not lynch Denul today because people would prefer to vote the master. When Thyr comes up innocent (which I think he will) people will see Denul as a symp. Shifting focus elsewhere and keeping it away from his masters day one.

Alternatively, town trying to pretend to be the symp in order to avoid getting NK'd and to draw the killers out as they try to signal to him who they are. Which the rest of town can then pick up on and lynch away.

But yeah, I'm with the joke vote too. Who expected seriousness?

[Serc]

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

People are voting you mostly because Denul voted you earlier (sucks for you really, there's no defense against cases that rely on you being symped by someone else).

Ruse is voting Trake because Trake came on thread and immediately started pointing fingers. Ruse points out that he ignored Ruse's vote, but then it didn't really have much substance behind the vote so that doesn't seem too bad to me. When Ruse pushed him with an actual argument, he did respond.

I'm voting Trake because I feel like he over-reacted to very little pressure. Also because he started playing into the aggressive townie persona (with some success, note the people who have said that they think he is more likely loudmouthed town than scum etc). Also to a very slight degree for his subtle assumptions that scum would be playing quietly.

Mockra is voting Pallid, I think for being signaled by Ryadd.

I'm now going to change my vote to Kalse. He's coasting, and he's already been called on it. He has posted, and at times when lots of discussion was happening, and hasn't gotten involved with it at all. More than just coasting, he seems to be making an effort to coast, because he's posting jokes etc when there is actual discussion happening at that very moment and lots of stuff for him to comment on, however briefly, which he hasn't done.

Similarly, he's also left a joke vote on me when the game is getting serious, which is slightly scummy as having a vote on at the end of the day gives the slight appearance of contribution.

Remove vote
Vote Kalse

Probably about 10 hours left.

Not to mention the vote on me from Eldat for not pointing-out-the-flaming-obvious for those too mentally damaged to see it for themselves regarding to OP and Thry's apparent not reading of it. <sigh> Yeah okay, I should have jumped down his throat but he's clearly enjoying playing the clueless fucking noob.

I should be back before the end of the day but just in case;

Vote Kalse

[Ruse]

I am not going to jump on the Kalse train yet as I think two votes should pressure him somewhat.

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[Mockra]

Kilava, I wonder why you are voting Kalse when the suspicion was that he was signalling you. Destroying evidence?


I also find Pallid's response to my accusation over the top, OMGUS. It was the first vote on him, with no following train, so why the intentional misunderstanding of what I was getting at (that RE was signaling his master Pallid).

[Monok Ochem]

summaries are useful to the whole world, thx

[Trake]

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

What I find odd Ruse, is that you seem to think that the Denul vote is suspicious (in that you think it's fake symping). But at the same time you discount the possibility of just regular symping, which seems the more common tactic and the more likely case.

Personally, Thyrs vote looks like a joke vote to me. Maybe symping, maybe not. In a way, he's unlucky the game went serious quickly, because normally we have way more joke vote stuff. I guess this is also the reason people are getting paranoid about any avatar banter.

Though on a meta note, it would be cool if we could get into the habit of not dropping joke votes etc, to generally make it harder for scum.

What I believe is that the vote was a joke vote. Yet there are possibilities with the vote itself

Town making a joke vote, putting themselves out there to be scrutinized

Symp making signalling vote

Symp making fake signalling vote

killer making symp like vote

I personally think it was a joke vote and nothing more. Denul is going to come up town, in 3 out of the 4 scenarious therefore it could be a brave play by scum. We will not lynch Denul today because people would prefer to vote the master. When Thyr comes up innocent (which I think he will) people will see Denul as a symp. Shifting focus elsewhere and keeping it away from his masters day one.

Why would scum make a fake symp like vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why would scum want to go to the trouble of trying to set someone up on day one. They have nks all scum need to do is to lay low and avoid lynches and let town take themselves out on day one. Stepping out by having scum make a fake symp like vote would be the opposite of laying low. You seem to have a perverse idea that scum want to be in the front of things.

[Ruse]

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

What I find odd Ruse, is that you seem to think that the Denul vote is suspicious (in that you think it's fake symping). But at the same time you discount the possibility of just regular symping, which seems the more common tactic and the more likely case.

Personally, Thyrs vote looks like a joke vote to me. Maybe symping, maybe not. In a way, he's unlucky the game went serious quickly, because normally we have way more joke vote stuff. I guess this is also the reason people are getting paranoid about any avatar banter.

Though on a meta note, it would be cool if we could get into the habit of not dropping joke votes etc, to generally make it harder for scum.

What I believe is that the vote was a joke vote. Yet there are possibilities with the vote itself

Town making a joke vote, putting themselves out there to be scrutinized

Symp making signalling vote

Symp making fake signalling vote

killer making symp like vote

I personally think it was a joke vote and nothing more. Denul is going to come up town, in 3 out of the 4 scenarious therefore it could be a brave play by scum. We will not lynch Denul today because people would prefer to vote the master. When Thyr comes up innocent (which I think he will) people will see Denul as a symp. Shifting focus elsewhere and keeping it away from his masters day one.

Why would scum make a fake symp like vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why would scum want to go to the trouble of trying to set someone up on day one. They have nks all scum need to do is to lay low and avoid lynches and let town take themselves out on day one. Stepping out by having scum make a fake symp like vote would be the opposite of laying low. You seem to have a perverse idea that scum want to be in the front of things.

Bitch be crazy ^

Why would scum lie low? Is that why you are top poster and overtly aggressive? So that you don't fit your own scum model?

Pick one thing out of what I said and go with that instead. I know you need a few brain cells but I am just under my limit and I cannot lend any to you sorry.

[Serc]

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

killer making symp like vote

Why would scum make a fake symp like vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why would scum want to go to the trouble of trying to set someone up on day one. They have nks all scum need to do is to lay low and avoid lynches and let town take themselves out on day one. Stepping out by having scum make a fake symp like vote would be the opposite of laying low. You seem to have a perverse idea that scum want to be in the front of things.

Sorry, but OMGUS

If they get town believing that they've genuinely identified a someone as the symp then town won't waste a lynch on a symp, they'll just ignore it and keep hunting for the killers. Symp is there to muddy the waters, once town know who is stirring up do you think they'll take any notice? So if a killer gets themselves identified as the symp they're safe for a while yet.

Symp only needs to be lynched at end game when approaching scum VCs - town wins when both killers are out, regardless of the condition of the symp. READ THE FUCKING OP

[Trake]

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

What I find odd Ruse, is that you seem to think that the Denul vote is suspicious (in that you think it's fake symping). But at the same time you discount the possibility of just regular symping, which seems the more common tactic and the more likely case.

Personally, Thyrs vote looks like a joke vote to me. Maybe symping, maybe not. In a way, he's unlucky the game went serious quickly, because normally we have way more joke vote stuff. I guess this is also the reason people are getting paranoid about any avatar banter.

Though on a meta note, it would be cool if we could get into the habit of not dropping joke votes etc, to generally make it harder for scum.

What I believe is that the vote was a joke vote. Yet there are possibilities with the vote itself

Town making a joke vote, putting themselves out there to be scrutinized

Symp making signalling vote

Symp making fake signalling vote

killer making symp like vote

I personally think it was a joke vote and nothing more. Denul is going to come up town, in 3 out of the 4 scenarious therefore it could be a brave play by scum. We will not lynch Denul today because people would prefer to vote the master. When Thyr comes up innocent (which I think he will) people will see Denul as a symp. Shifting focus elsewhere and keeping it away from his masters day one.

Why would scum make a fake symp like vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why would scum want to go to the trouble of trying to set someone up on day one. They have nks all scum need to do is to lay low and avoid lynches and let town take themselves out on day one. Stepping out by having scum make a fake symp like vote would be the opposite of laying low. You seem to have a perverse idea that scum want to be in the front of things.

Bitch be crazy ^

Why would scum lie low? Is that why you are top poster and overtly aggressive? So that you don't fit your own scum model?

Pick one thing out of what I said and go with that instead. I know you need a few brain cells but I am just under my limit and I cannot lend any to you sorry.

I'm sorry did you say you wanted to suck my dick?

[Trake]

 Serc, on 14 May 2013 - 02:47 PM, said:

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

killer making symp like vote

Why would scum make a fake symp like vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why would scum want to go to the trouble of trying to set someone up on day one. They have nks all scum need to do is to lay low and avoid lynches and let town take themselves out on day one. Stepping out by having scum make a fake symp like vote would be the opposite of laying low. You seem to have a perverse idea that scum want to be in the front of things.

Sorry, but OMGUS

If they get town believing that they've genuinely identified a someone as the symp then town won't waste a lynch on a symp, they'll just ignore it and keep hunting for the killers. Symp is there to muddy the waters, once town know who is stirring up do you think they'll take any notice? So if a killer gets themselves identified as the symp they're safe for a while yet.

Symp only needs to be lynched at end game when approaching scum VCs - town wins when both killers are out, regardless of the condition of the symp. READ THE FUCKING OP

Umm once again OMGUS is for votes not for replying to someone. Also you are doing a lot of hard core defending of Ruse? Why is that?

Still why would anyone draw attention to themselves if they didn't have to? Having been a killer lots and lots and lots of times. I have never wanted nor I have I ever seen killers want to draw attention to themselves on day one. Please feel free to show me where that has ever happened. I can find evidence of scum signaling on day one. SHit I have already pointed that out. Please direct me to your evidence that scum would ever want to be labled as anything other then a towny on day one. Sure day 3 -5 scum would rather have people think that they are a symp then actual scum but on day one. Bullshit. I call total and complete bullshit. Also what about reading the OP has do to with a scum wanting to be a symp on day one. Seriously are you drinking the same kind of batshit crazy water the Ruse is?

[Kalse]

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

People are voting you mostly because Denul voted you earlier (sucks for you really, there's no defense against cases that rely on you being symped by someone else).

Ruse is voting Trake because Trake came on thread and immediately started pointing fingers. Ruse points out that he ignored Ruse's vote, but then it didn't really have much substance behind the vote so that doesn't seem too bad to me. When Ruse pushed him with an actual argument, he did respond.

I'm voting Trake because I feel like he over-reacted to very little pressure. Also because he started playing into the aggressive townie persona (with some success, note the people who have said that they think he is more likely loudmouthed town than scum etc). Also to a very slight degree for his subtle assumptions that scum would be playing quietly.

Mockra is voting Pallid, I think for being signaled by Ryadd.

I'm now going to change my vote to Kalse. He's coasting, and he's already been called on it. He has posted, and at times when lots of discussion was happening, and hasn't gotten involved with it at all. More than just coasting, he seems to be making an effort to coast, because he's posting jokes etc when there is actual discussion happening at that very moment and lots of stuff for him to comment on, however briefly, which he hasn't done.

Similarly, he's also left a joke vote on me when the game is getting serious, which is slightly scummy as having a vote on at the end of the day gives the slight appearance of contribution.

Remove vote
Vote Kalse

Probably about 10 hours left.

Who said it was a joke vote? You and Ruse are clearly deflecting from Thryll whatever the fuck his name light is by voting for Trake someone who was serious right out of the gate so is so low on my scum list as to almost be PI. You all three need to go.

Thanks Have a nice day.

[Kalse]

Oh also why are you so afraid of one joke vote? Clearly you have something to hide.

[Trake]

 Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

This is pathetic. There are only 4 pages. You are either scum trying to be a newb or just plan lazy. My vote is for scum trying to pretend to be a newb.

[Ruse]

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:32 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

What I find odd Ruse, is that you seem to think that the Denul vote is suspicious (in that you think it's fake symping). But at the same time you discount the possibility of just regular symping, which seems the more common tactic and the more likely case.

Personally, Thyrs vote looks like a joke vote to me. Maybe symping, maybe not. In a way, he's unlucky the game went serious quickly, because normally we have way more joke vote stuff. I guess this is also the reason people are getting paranoid about any avatar banter.

Though on a meta note, it would be cool if we could get into the habit of not dropping joke votes etc, to generally make it harder for scum.

What I believe is that the vote was a joke vote. Yet there are possibilities with the vote itself

Town making a joke vote, putting themselves out there to be scrutinized

Symp making signalling vote

Symp making fake signalling vote

killer making symp like vote

I personally think it was a joke vote and nothing more. Denul is going to come up town, in 3 out of the 4 scenarious therefore it could be a brave play by scum. We will not lynch Denul today because people would prefer to vote the master. When Thyr comes up innocent (which I think he will) people will see Denul as a symp. Shifting focus elsewhere and keeping it away from his masters day one.

Why would scum make a fake symp like vote? That doesn't make any sense. Why would scum want to go to the trouble of trying to set someone up on day one. They have nks all scum need to do is to lay low and avoid lynches and let town take themselves out on day one. Stepping out by having scum make a fake symp like vote would be the opposite of laying low. You seem to have a perverse idea that scum want to be in the front of things.

Bitch be crazy ^

Why would scum lie low? Is that why you are top poster and overtly aggressive? So that you don't fit your own scum model?

Pick one thing out of what I said and go with that instead. I know you need a few brain cells but I am just under my limit and I cannot lend any to you sorry.

I'm sorry did you say you wanted to suck my dick?

Who'd want to touch that atrocity? Not me, no thanks.

[Ruse]

 Kalse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

People are voting you mostly because Denul voted you earlier (sucks for you really, there's no defense against cases that rely on you being symped by someone else).

Ruse is voting Trake because Trake came on thread and immediately started pointing fingers. Ruse points out that he ignored Ruse's vote, but then it didn't really have much substance behind the vote so that doesn't seem too bad to me. When Ruse pushed him with an actual argument, he did respond.

I'm voting Trake because I feel like he over-reacted to very little pressure. Also because he started playing into the aggressive townie persona (with some success, note the people who have said that they think he is more likely loudmouthed town than scum etc). Also to a very slight degree for his subtle assumptions that scum would be playing quietly.

Mockra is voting Pallid, I think for being signaled by Ryadd.

I'm now going to change my vote to Kalse. He's coasting, and he's already been called on it. He has posted, and at times when lots of discussion was happening, and hasn't gotten involved with it at all. More than just coasting, he seems to be making an effort to coast, because he's posting jokes etc when there is actual discussion happening at that very moment and lots of stuff for him to comment on, however briefly, which he hasn't done.

Similarly, he's also left a joke vote on me when the game is getting serious, which is slightly scummy as having a vote on at the end of the day gives the slight appearance of contribution.

Remove vote
Vote Kalse

Probably about 10 hours left.

Who said it was a joke vote? You and Ruse are clearly deflecting from Thryll whatever the fuck his name light is by voting for Trake someone who was serious right out of the gate so is so low on my scum list as to almost be PI. You all three need to go.

Thanks Have a nice day.

Clearly! That is exactly what I am trying to do. I will vote for Thyr to get a lynch but I don't have to agree with Trake's logic, I don't think Trake thinks Thyr will turn out to be scum.

[Trake]

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Clearly! That is exactly what I am trying to do. I will vote for Thyr to get a lynch but I don't have to agree with Trake's logic, I don't think Trake thinks Thyr will turn out to be scum.

I do think that thy is scum he is trying to hard to try to be a total newb to actually be a newb. It is obvious that you do not think logically when it comes to mafia at all so there is no way that you will ever agree with my logic.

[Ruse]

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Clearly! That is exactly what I am trying to do. I will vote for Thyr to get a lynch but I don't have to agree with Trake's logic, I don't think Trake thinks Thyr will turn out to be scum.

I do think that thy is scum he is trying to hard to try to be a total newb to actually be a newb. It is obvious that you do not think logically when it comes to mafia at all so there is no way that you will ever agree with my logic.

Oh is there logic within your posts? I fail to see that.

Vote Thyrllan

[Trake]

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:31 PM, said:

 Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 03:27 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

Clearly! That is exactly what I am trying to do. I will vote for Thyr to get a lynch but I don't have to agree with Trake's logic, I don't think Trake thinks Thyr will turn out to be scum.

I do think that thy is scum he is trying to hard to try to be a total newb to actually be a newb. It is obvious that you do not think logically when it comes to mafia at all so there is no way that you will ever agree with my logic.

Oh is there logic within your posts? I fail to see that.

Vote Thyrllan

Of course you would. You to busy trying to figure out how people are conspiring to fake symp thy and how scum want to have attention on them day one.

[Kalse]

Remove vote

Vote Thyrllan

Well I don't have time to be anything other than sheeple at the moment but it fits in with my current thoughts anyway even though I would really like to lynch the black cat.

[Kilava]

 Kalse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

 Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

People are voting you mostly because Denul voted you earlier (sucks for you really, there's no defense against cases that rely on you being symped by someone else).

Ruse is voting Trake because Trake came on thread and immediately started pointing fingers. Ruse points out that he ignored Ruse's vote, but then it didn't really have much substance behind the vote so that doesn't seem too bad to me. When Ruse pushed him with an actual argument, he did respond.

I'm voting Trake because I feel like he over-reacted to very little pressure. Also because he started playing into the aggressive townie persona (with some success, note the people who have said that they think he is more likely loudmouthed town than scum etc). Also to a very slight degree for his subtle assumptions that scum would be playing quietly.

Mockra is voting Pallid, I think for being signaled by Ryadd.

I'm now going to change my vote to Kalse. He's coasting, and he's already been called on it. He has posted, and at times when lots of discussion was happening, and hasn't gotten involved with it at all. More than just coasting, he seems to be making an effort to coast, because he's posting jokes etc when there is actual discussion happening at that very moment and lots of stuff for him to comment on, however briefly, which he hasn't done.

Similarly, he's also left a joke vote on me when the game is getting serious, which is slightly scummy as having a vote on at the end of the day gives the slight appearance of contribution.

Remove vote
Vote Kalse

Probably about 10 hours left.

Who said it was a joke vote? You and Ruse are clearly deflecting from Thryll whatever the fuck his name light is by voting for Trake someone who was serious right out of the gate so is so low on my scum list as to almost be PI. You all three need to go.

Thanks Have a nice day.

Maybe I assumed it was a joke vote because you gave absolutely no reasoning for it until now.

If you had a reason for it, why didn't you mention that before now? Real useful.

Not immediately hopping on the first thing to come along on day one is hardly deflecting. There is such a thing as exploring other options, putting pressure elsewhere to draw people out into the game etc.

Personally, I'm not convinced of the symp signal vote idea. Symp signalling votes are hit or miss, and also lynching based on them tends not to give us that much information (oh, guess it was a joke vote then...what now?) unless we go do the fake symp route etc. I've made my opinion on that pretty clear throughout. But I have been willing to actually discuss it. That isn't deflecting, that's just a difference of opinion. Apparently I was also deflection when I pointed out Thyr playing the noob card (something I'm still not very happy with btw, considering he also managed to pull out the absolutely standard defense against symping cases).

At least I was actually here discussing things and contributing, rather than having to be pushed for any sort of participation...