[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 22 hours 17 minutes remaining.

14 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Serc, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Thyrllan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

2 votes Trake: Ruse, Kilava
1 vote Thyrllan: Trake,
1 vote Kilava: Kalse
1 vote Serc: Eldat Pressen


Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Ryadd Eleis, Serc, Spite, Thyrllan

And with that I am heading to bed. Next update in approximately 10 hours.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 14 May 2013 - 03:03 AM

[Mockra]

I noted a few interesting potentials for symp-master signaling. First, in line with the comment of RE playing middle of the road, take a lookie here:

Ryadd Eleis, on 12 May 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

Pallid, on 12 May 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

...... and my avatar looks like an electrified zebra. :|

At least you're a fellow critter of flesh and bones. The rest so far are just somewhat sentient mostly empty spaces.

This sounds like someone saying "You're on my team, the rest of the people, including myself, are roleless eejits," which is true. Symps are roleless as are the rest of town in this game.

Serc, on 13 May 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Blah blah blah. Had a yada

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Vote Kilava

Only scum would admire a silent stalker killer who is able to hide in the night.

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

What is wrong with you people? Path-Shaper hasn't been lynched yet? He is clearly spysat117 and has been recruited by Big Ben.

We need to kill him before he kills us.

So, minimal (actually, no) content and a vote in shortly after a (however spurious) case against Trake. Care to justify your vote a little, Kalse? Beyond some downright shoddy distraction to the only real interaction between alts so far?

As an aside, before anyone else brings it up, having looked into it (don't go there, really, don't) there's a pair of butt-beams pouring forth from a pair of arses in my avatar. Now were I thinking that PS is setting me up I'd be looking for another avatar featuring a pair of something - we do after all have a paired killer around and I may be being paranoid but hiding the obvious in plain sight is a very old trick. Just to get it out before anyone else brings it up Now we haven't seen Spite yet...

Look at my avatar, you know you want to.

Now zoom in.



Closer.





Clooooseeeerrrr!





Hey, I did it, now you all feel my pain.

Serc beat me to this one. The whole vote for Kalse followed with by comment about only scum admiring a silent killer sent up red flags for me as well.

As to the whole Trake thing, he's just trying to raise some hackles and shit. Doesn't discount him from being scum, but I usually see this as an irritating townie move. Gonna take more for me to waste a vote in his general direction.

Vote Pallid

[Pallid]

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

I noted a few interesting potentials for symp-master signaling. First, in line with the comment of RE playing middle of the road, take a lookie here:

Ryadd Eleis, on 12 May 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

Pallid, on 12 May 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

...... and my avatar looks like an electrified zebra. :|

At least you're a fellow critter of flesh and bones. The rest so far are just somewhat sentient mostly empty spaces.

This sounds like someone saying "You're on my team, the rest of the people, including myself, are roleless eejits," which is true. Symps are roleless as are the rest of town in this game.

Serc, on 13 May 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Blah blah blah. Had a yada

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Vote Kilava

Only scum would admire a silent stalker killer who is able to hide in the night.

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

What is wrong with you people? Path-Shaper hasn't been lynched yet? He is clearly spysat117 and has been recruited by Big Ben.

We need to kill him before he kills us.

So, minimal (actually, no) content and a vote in shortly after a (however spurious) case against Trake. Care to justify your vote a little, Kalse? Beyond some downright shoddy distraction to the only real interaction between alts so far?

As an aside, before anyone else brings it up, having looked into it (don't go there, really, don't) there's a pair of butt-beams pouring forth from a pair of arses in my avatar. Now were I thinking that PS is setting me up I'd be looking for another avatar featuring a pair of something - we do after all have a paired killer around and I may be being paranoid but hiding the obvious in plain sight is a very old trick. Just to get it out before anyone else brings it up Now we haven't seen Spite yet...

Look at my avatar, you know you want to.

Now zoom in.



Closer.





Clooooseeeerrrr!





Hey, I did it, now you all feel my pain.

Serc beat me to this one. The whole vote for Kalse followed with by comment about only scum admiring a silent killer sent up red flags for me as well.

As to the whole Trake thing, he's just trying to raise some hackles and shit. Doesn't discount him from being scum, but I usually see this as an irritating townie move. Gonna take more for me to waste a vote in his general direction.

Vote Pallid

And I'm here for a bit before bed.

You vote for me becaauuuse? I was the first to comment on my own avatar? And yet you brought up Kalse, with lots of fishy posting, and Ryadd Eleis comment on someone else's avatar. This doesn't follow - I only see a loose connection of people-who-commented-on-avatars, and you've technically also pointed out Kilava, though you chose not mention her despite the fact she also falls under this signalling-through-avatar-talk 'argument.' That's... an awful lot of scum. Signalling each other.

In response to the Trake / Kilava fest, all I can say is "prodding." Both brought up a lot of good points... and perhaps Trake should be watched, if only for the vehemency displayed. But only watched, as I'm not really taking it that seriously (or not as seriously as some of the other cases brought up - Denul/Thyr and/or Kalse).

[Pallid]

Ooops, and forgot about Thyr's very "innocent" posting - I find this highly suspicious. I'm also agreeing with whomever said Denul fake-symping on day 1 is highly unlikely, so it's either real or day 1 shenanigans. Might as well test that too:

vote Thyrllan

[Pallid]

So Spite truly only has 1 post. Trake is at highest post count, with Kilava a bit behind, BUT this does make sense due to their earlier back-and-forth. And it was full of content.

This is all I can really think of posting since no one else seems to be awake atm. I don't personally prescribe much to post counts, ESPECIALLY since we're barely into Day 1.... but they are sometimes interesting in conjunction with content? Spite, maybe post something with your thoughts tomorrow? Just an idea.

And now I'm off to bed.

[Ruse]

When I voted Trake originally I basically picked the one out of two alts that had not posted. The reason I have left my vote that way is because of his behaviour since or at least up until I went away. I have not had much time to read the thread yet. This game got serious very quickly. I was prodding him to post with the vote which he did but his posts felt wrong.

[Ruse]

Denul, on 12 May 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

Vote Thyr

Clearly trying to break the pattern, must be scummmmmm!

When this vote came out I thought it was a joke vote, I still do. I disagree with Trake here thinking that someone would make such an obvious mistake or signal or whatever you want to call it. Especially after the last game where he points out it did happen. Last game was complex and had factions unlike this game which is a lot simpler.

Messing around early in day one is allowed, what I would be wary of is that Denul could be a killer trying to set up himself as a symp. His post is friendly and a joke, and could be construed as signalling as by which Trake is adamant. If Thyr is lynched and comes up innocent then people may think Denul is off the hook, because why would a killer vote that way off the bat? That would just make them stand out. I suppose we could test Trake's theory about Thyr being a killer but again if Thyr comes up innocent then does that make Trake seem more innocent because he was accusing another innocent?

The case is flimsy at best.

Like this post by Ryadd, is it a joke? Do you all understand it?

Ryadd Eleis, on 12 May 2013 - 11:55 PM, said:

Pallid, on 12 May 2013 - 11:33 PM, said:

...... and my avatar looks like an electrified zebra. :|

At least you're a fellow critter of flesh and bones. The rest so far are just somewhat sentient mostly empty spaces.

It reads strange to me. Fellow critter of flesh and bones? Fellow to who? Is he comparing dragon and wolf? Or just because Mockra and that do not have "bodies"? Unless by Fellow he means another creature like Kilava? Kilava and Pallid killers with Ryadd as their symp? Mafia paranoia setting in here, I know he is meant to be referring to the avatars gone by as opposed to something deeper and meaningful, isn't he?

Now here is the first post that shows Thyrllan as wide eyed stupid

Thyrllan, on 13 May 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I couldn't find it in the OP - how many alts do we all get in this game again?

Is he joking here or being innocent? Is it someone pretending to be the noob on purpose? Or is it the noob?


Now next post is by Trake, he could have been reading the thread, but maybe he hasn't and is posting as he goes. I have just voted for him, it has been 10 minutes, instead of addressing my joke vote, which most people may have done with a "fuck you ruse" or something, he goes on the attack, he picks up something and finds it suspicious, and from here goes on to become our highest poster, arguing back and forth, coincidence?

Trake, on 13 May 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

Denul, on 12 May 2013 - 11:03 PM, said:

Vote Thyr

Clearly trying to break the pattern, must be scummmmmm!

Now the thing that jumps out at me about this is that it could be a signaling vote. We know that there is a symp in this game and using a joke vote (one that doesn't count is even better) to try to signal their scum master is a tried and tested technique. Now I don't know if that is the case here but it definitely behooves us to watch both Thyr and Denul.

Yes Thyr could be scum and Denul has made a noobish mistake, one way to test it is lynch Thyr. I could go that way certainly. It could be that Denul is not a symp but still Thyr could be a killer. Denul could be a killer. Neither could be a killer and scum are laughing. I think it is the last but hope that it is the first and then we only have to find one more scum.

[Ruse]

Can we have a time update? I do not know if I can get enough online time today, the kids are a handful today!

[Spite]

I don't think any of the current cases are particularly strong in general, but looking at them as first day cases might be our only choice. As of right now, I guess I'd be most willing to vote for thyrllan. I don't really think he's actually pretending to be so uninformed, but you just can't ever know for sure. I'll hold off for a while longer.

[Spite]

I'm placing my vote for thyrllan for right now just in case. None of the cases are great, but of the only ones out there, I'm willing to test this one. I'll try to be on between now and time out.
vote thyr

[Thyrllan]

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

[Kilava]

What I find odd Ruse, is that you seem to think that the Denul vote is suspicious (in that you think it's fake symping). But at the same time you discount the possibility of just regular symping, which seems the more common tactic and the more likely case.

Personally, Thyrs vote looks like a joke vote to me. Maybe symping, maybe not. In a way, he's unlucky the game went serious quickly, because normally we have way more joke vote stuff. I guess this is also the reason people are getting paranoid about any avatar banter.

Though on a meta note, it would be cool if we could get into the habit of not dropping joke votes etc, to generally make it harder for scum.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 13 May 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I couldn't find it in the OP - how many alts do we all get in this game again?

Is he joking here or being innocent? Is it someone pretending to be the noob on purpose? Or is it the noob?

When I first read the post I saw it as a joke about the craziness of other games. After all, it's pretty obvious how many alts everyone gets after they've been given out. Also by knowing the sign up numbers etc.

Which again, makes me feel weird about the noobiness of later posts.

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:23 PM, said:

Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 09:12 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on 13 May 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

I couldn't find it in the OP - how many alts do we all get in this game again?

Is he joking here or being innocent? Is it someone pretending to be the noob on purpose? Or is it the noob?

When I first read the post I saw it as a joke about the craziness of other games. After all, it's pretty obvious how many alts everyone gets after they've been given out. Also by knowing the sign up numbers etc.

Which again, makes me feel weird about the noobiness of later posts.

The noob in question read the last game and that game alone, so he may not know this game has only one alt, but again I think this person could be fucking with us and not who we expect.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 11 hours 50 minutes remaining.

14 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Serc, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Thyrllan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

2 votes Trake: Ruse, Kilava
3 votes Thyrllan: Trake, Pallid, Spite
1 vote Kilava: Kalse
1 vote Serc: Eldat Pressen
1 vote Pallid: Mockra


Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Monok Ochem, Ryadd Eleis, Serc, Thyrllan

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 14 May 2013 - 01:31 PM

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

What I find odd Ruse, is that you seem to think that the Denul vote is suspicious (in that you think it's fake symping). But at the same time you discount the possibility of just regular symping, which seems the more common tactic and the more likely case.

Personally, Thyrs vote looks like a joke vote to me. Maybe symping, maybe not. In a way, he's unlucky the game went serious quickly, because normally we have way more joke vote stuff. I guess this is also the reason people are getting paranoid about any avatar banter.

Though on a meta note, it would be cool if we could get into the habit of not dropping joke votes etc, to generally make it harder for scum.

What I believe is that the vote was a joke vote. Yet there are possibilities with the vote itself

Town making a joke vote, putting themselves out there to be scrutinized

Symp making signalling vote

Symp making fake signalling vote

killer making symp like vote

I personally think it was a joke vote and nothing more. Denul is going to come up town, in 3 out of the 4 scenarious therefore it could be a brave play by scum. We will not lynch Denul today because people would prefer to vote the master. When Thyr comes up innocent (which I think he will) people will see Denul as a symp. Shifting focus elsewhere and keeping it away from his masters day one.

[Kilava]

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Where do we stand now? Could someone give me a quick summary of the cases so far please, I'm having a bit of trouble keeping up.

People are voting you mostly because Denul voted you earlier (sucks for you really, there's no defense against cases that rely on you being symped by someone else).

Ruse is voting Trake because Trake came on thread and immediately started pointing fingers. Ruse points out that he ignored Ruse's vote, but then it didn't really have much substance behind the vote so that doesn't seem too bad to me. When Ruse pushed him with an actual argument, he did respond.

I'm voting Trake because I feel like he over-reacted to very little pressure. Also because he started playing into the aggressive townie persona (with some success, note the people who have said that they think he is more likely loudmouthed town than scum etc). Also to a very slight degree for his subtle assumptions that scum would be playing quietly.

Mockra is voting Pallid, I think for being signaled by Ryadd.

I'm now going to change my vote to Kalse. He's coasting, and he's already been called on it. He has posted, and at times when lots of discussion was happening, and hasn't gotten involved with it at all. More than just coasting, he seems to be making an effort to coast, because he's posting jokes etc when there is actual discussion happening at that very moment and lots of stuff for him to comment on, however briefly, which he hasn't done.

Similarly, he's also left a joke vote on me when the game is getting serious, which is slightly scummy as having a vote on at the end of the day gives the slight appearance of contribution.

Remove vote
Vote Kalse

Probably about 10 hours left.

[Kilava]

Off briefly, back soon.

[Ruse]

Good vote of Kalse there, his posts are yada yada whatever he said earlier. Disinterested townie in my opinion for now anyway.

[Serc]

Ruse, on 14 May 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

The noob in question read the last game and that game alone, so he may not know this game has only one alt, but again I think this person could be fucking with us and not who we expect.

I'm inclined to agree with this statement - mind you, someone suggested more normal games to read up on as TotD, Espers etc so we could have one seriously confused noob.