[Tattersail_]

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

[twelve]

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

This is the first day, the first time I have been able to look at the board since last Wednesday. I literally had no access and posted that move from my phone to move the game forward but it is a move I wouldn't have made if I could see the whole picture.

[twelve]

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

This is the first day, the first time I have been able to look at the board since last Wednesday. I literally had no access and posted that move from my phone to move the game forward but it is a move I wouldn't have made if I could see the whole picture.

Like I said what did you have in mind for an influence action instead of what you did?

Edit:

I'd probably be okay with you choicing any other combination of hexes to influence other than 107 as you specifically stated that you bankrupted this hex so D'rek could move into the GC without having to break diplomacy with you. You had no idea that she wasn't going to move into that hex until after your influence action. Everything else in your range I would be okay with but like I said it's probably up to the Mod for final decision. If you want to influence 107 on your next action then go ahead just not this time around.

This post has been edited by twelve: 16 July 2013 - 03:52 PM

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

This is the first day, the first time I have been able to look at the board since last Wednesday. I literally had no access and posted that move from my phone to move the game forward but it is a move I wouldn't have made if I could see the whole picture.

Like I said what did you have in mind for an influence action instead of what you did?

If I had to influence I would influence the hex with two money planets north of Mu Arae. Just use the one influence disc. 4 colony ships flying to money planets.

[twelve]

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

This is the first day, the first time I have been able to look at the board since last Wednesday. I literally had no access and posted that move from my phone to move the game forward but it is a move I wouldn't have made if I could see the whole picture.

Like I said what did you have in mind for an influence action instead of what you did?

If I had to influence I would influence the hex with two money planets north of Mu Arae. Just use the one influence disc. 4 colony ships flying to money planets.

I'd be okay with that in case you missed my edit.

[D'rek]

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

This is the first day, the first time I have been able to look at the board since last Wednesday. I literally had no access and posted that move from my phone to move the game forward but it is a move I wouldn't have made if I could see the whole picture.

Like I said what did you have in mind for an influence action instead of what you did?

If I had to influence I would influence the hex with two money planets north of Mu Arae. Just use the one influence disc. 4 colony ships flying to money planets.

I'd be okay with that in case you missed my edit.

I'm not sure I would. It kinda seems like "Oh I need to influence these hexes in case D'rek/Morgy/SS/Tapper do _____" and then after knowing that they won't you can change your mind and influence a different hex because the previous risk is averted...?

[Tattersail_]

D, on 16 July 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

This is the first day, the first time I have been able to look at the board since last Wednesday. I literally had no access and posted that move from my phone to move the game forward but it is a move I wouldn't have made if I could see the whole picture.

Like I said what did you have in mind for an influence action instead of what you did?

If I had to influence I would influence the hex with two money planets north of Mu Arae. Just use the one influence disc. 4 colony ships flying to money planets.

I'd be okay with that in case you missed my edit.

I'm not sure I would. It kinda seems like "Oh I need to influence these hexes in case D'rek/Morgy/SS/Tapper do _____" and then after knowing that they won't you can change your mind and influence a different hex because the previous risk is averted...?

I cannot afford to influence them, I do not have the economy to throw away influence discs at one world hexes. I didn't have a look at the game board properly, I rushed through and made a bad decision, if I were sat at a table I wouldn't have made that decision, CF had already blocked off the possible diplo "before" I laid down my provisional.

[D'rek]

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

D, on 16 July 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

twelve, on 16 July 2013 - 03:35 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 16 July 2013 - 03:32 PM, said:

The more I look at it, the more horrible influencing those two hexes becomes. I really don't want to have to influence them.

I was really surprised you did do that as you were severely limited in the number of actions that you had available to you this round but I wasn't going to complain or point out what a bad move it was. I just knew that you wouldn't have enough actions left to attack me so I was more than happy to leave you with it.

This is the first day, the first time I have been able to look at the board since last Wednesday. I literally had no access and posted that move from my phone to move the game forward but it is a move I wouldn't have made if I could see the whole picture.

Like I said what did you have in mind for an influence action instead of what you did?

If I had to influence I would influence the hex with two money planets north of Mu Arae. Just use the one influence disc. 4 colony ships flying to money planets.

I'd be okay with that in case you missed my edit.

I'm not sure I would. It kinda seems like "Oh I need to influence these hexes in case D'rek/Morgy/SS/Tapper do _____" and then after knowing that they won't you can change your mind and influence a different hex because the previous risk is averted...?

I cannot afford to influence them, I do not have the economy to throw away influence discs at one world hexes. I didn't have a look at the game board properly, I rushed through and made a bad decision, if I were sat at a table I wouldn't have made that decision, CF had already blocked off the possible diplo "before" I laid down my provisional.

In the first game I didn't look at the map as much as I should have, made a bad decision and left a back door open for STD to promptly invade my homeworld. But that was my fault for not paying enough attention and making a bad move. I understand that in this case it probably doesn't affect other players as much as doing a takebacksie would have in the first game, but I'm still not sure I like the precedent of letting players get a do-over just because they made a bad move, especially when they're not first-time players.

But I'm not the mod, so I think it should be CF's decision to make. And likewise, any future mods should decide how much stuff like that they should allow.

This post has been edited by D'rek: 16 July 2013 - 04:47 PM

[cerveza_fiesta]

Gnaw, on 15 July 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on 15 July 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

@Gnaw

Forgot...your summary posts look fine.

My intention with page 1 was to make it easier for me as a mod, and reduce the time investment...hence no multiple images for playerboards and game board, no simplified map, and 1 single manageable jpg that contains everything. Inter-round updates invariably take up a lot of time so I hesitate to add more burden to what I'm already doing, but that's up to the individual I guess.

My goal was to reduce the clutter in each player's 1st page post by moving their previous rounds to that "archives" post. The mod's responsibility in that situation (once it's set up) is to cut and past each player's Round 5 moves Once Round 6 has started.

All the information is retained. The player's 1st page post is very clean and easy to update. I sorta figured it would be win/win for all. Apparently I was wrong.

I did tell you when I asked for the GC password was that I would only touch the two placeholder posts #3 and #4.

I have no intention of cause you more problems CF. Sorry.

No offense taken whatsoever

I was just pointing out that I don't plan on maintaining the post, but you're definitely free to continue doing so. It would be amazing if we could all just have a communal post we can all edit but the forum doesn't really allow for that.

@All...moves up to and including D'rek's done and will be going up in a board update soon. Sorry it took so long. Today up to now has gone a bit sideways with work.

[cerveza_fiesta]

No takebacks. There was a beginning of round update made to the board prior to your post and that was definitely sufficient to figure out what you could/should have done. THe game will never be to the point where I'm updating after every action so everybody has to keep track somewhat on their own between updates.

And going by precedent, the takeback wasn't particularly immediate, nor was it done before D'rek posted her move, so I can't really allow it in good faith.

And one move is hardly the end of the world. If you need to rearrange things with an extra influence action then oh well.

Sorry GP.

Anybody able to answer my question yet about ion turrets on Morgoth's other ships? I can't find specific reference to it anywhere.

[D'rek]

cerveza_fiesta, on 16 July 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

Anybody able to answer my question yet about ion turrets on Morgoth's other ships? I can't find specific reference to it anywhere.

I did here

[Galactic Council]

D, on 16 July 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on 16 July 2013 - 04:56 PM, said:

Anybody able to answer my question yet about ion turrets on Morgoth's other ships? I can't find specific reference to it anywhere.

I did here

Ah ok, thanks. Makes sense. There would only be 1 ion turret tile in the table top game and it is only available via discovery, and therefore placing multiple copies of it on multiple blueprints would not be possible by default.

Just wanted to make sure because it tips the odds in the battle heavily in Morgoth's favour if he was able to do it.

So I've run some sims based on the best loadouts that D'rek can field and the best loadouts that Morgoth can field. The debate was whether to build a cruiser or an orbital

Morgoth builds an orbital in Beta Centauri


populate with science cube


@SolidSnape

Are you able to see the board now? I can't have you boardless forever. PM me your email and I'll send it to you when I do the updates from now on if you can't get to it on the forum.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Waiddaminute....for some reason I've been thinking this whole time that D'rek went first and I was responding to her move.

She has not yet moved to Beta Centauri, so strike that from the current board update.

D'rek do you then confirm your provisional?

[D'rek]

cerveza_fiesta, on 16 July 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Waiddaminute....for some reason I've been thinking this whole time that D'rek went first and I was responding to her move.

She has not yet moved to Beta Centauri, so strike that from the current board update.

D'rek do you then confirm your provisional?

Now I'm confused... are we on action 2 or 3 now?

[Imperial Historian]

Are you sure an orbital is better? Especially considering:
1) Morgoth is going to have to spend a lot of upgrades to improve the crusier, dread and orbital
2) once d'rek has plasma cannons the extra hull on the orbital isn't going to matter, and it probably won't have shields
and 3) if d'rek wins she gets an even better system orbital

Also is it even Morgoths go? I'm completely confused I've not had a second turn yet and Morgoth has 3!

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 16 July 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

Are you sure an orbital is better? Especially considering:
1) Morgoth is going to have to spend a lot of upgrades to improve the crusier, dread and orbital
2) once d'rek has plasma cannons the extra hull on the orbital isn't going to matter, and it probably won't have shields
and 3) if d'rek wins she gets an even better system orbital

Also is it even Morgoths go? I'm completely confused I've not had a second turn yet and Morgoth has 3!

Noooo, shhhhhhh, I want an orbital!

In seriousness, though, I think it is more that it looks like Morgoth's ships can beat me fairly reliably whether he builds a cruiser or an orbital (mostly because he has more money so he can counter any of my upgrades), so having the extra production from the orbital is more beneficial.

[D'rek]

So is this what we've had so far for round 5?

GP - RES improved Hull
Morgy - RES improved hull
drek - RES plasma cannon
SS - BUI dreadnaught
Tapper/IH - [something]
twelve - RES advanced robotics
CF - INF
Khell - RES advanced robotics
GP - INF
Morgy - UPG
drek - MOV ships into Beta Centauri
SS - UPG

[twelve]

cerveza_fiesta, on 16 July 2013 - 05:25 PM, said:

Waiddaminute....for some reason I've been thinking this whole time that D'rek went first and I was responding to her move.

She has not yet moved to Beta Centauri, so strike that from the current board update.

D'rek do you then confirm your provisional?

CF,

Morgoth put in a provisional for his second action to upgrade his Dreads with two improved hulls. He had no idea what D'rek was going to do before this action so I think that needs to stay the same. Then D'rek moves her two ships into Beta Centauri and SS upgrades his Dread with a fusion source.

It's currently IH/Tapper's go.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Well GP moved in action round 2 to do his influence action. Then you said you were moving to Beta centauri

then in my brain I thought it was morgoth's turn, when really it should have been his turn before yours.

Nothing changes - your move was simply provisional. We were just talking about it like it was final. I guess this gives you an opportunity to change things knowing that Morgoth put an orbital in Beta Centauri.