[Telas]

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

I thought of that, but they're just as likely to be leaders (ie, one of them could be my leader) I'm also just not buying the 7 parshendi with lover connections, that seems like way to much information when the other teams are so much lower in number and only know one other person on their team. 5,5,5,4 makes way more sense if you assume that they have lover connections. It would make more sense if it was 7 total with no lover connections, which then makes your point about finding parshendi in the quieter groups... pointless. Both are a possibility, but I just don't think that works out balancewise to have both a 7 person team AND lover connections between 6 of them. One or the other? Sure. But your breakdown just seems really off to me.

And what happens if lover connections are are the only thing they had. Plus that would be 3 lover pairs isolated from each other. Not much different from the fact that each of us know at least one person on our team (don't insult me with denials).

[Ruse]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

I thought of that, but they're just as likely to be leaders (ie, one of them could be my leader) I'm also just not buying the 7 parshendi with lover connections, that seems like way to much information when the other teams are so much lower in number and only know one other person on their team. 5,5,5,4 makes way more sense if you assume that they have lover connections. It would make more sense if it was 7 total with no lover connections, which then makes your point about finding parshendi in the quieter groups... pointless. Both are a possibility, but I just don't think that works out balancewise to have both a 7 person team AND lover connections between 6 of them. One or the other? Sure. But your breakdown just seems really off to me.

And what happens if lover connections are are the only thing they had. Plus that would be 3 lover pairs isolated from each other. Not much different from the fact that each of us know at least one person on our team (don't insult me with denials).

No denials, I know of one person on my team. Lover connections being the only thing they have doesn't make sense with the gemheart mechanic though. Unless they need the gemhearts to power their relationships? In which case they are apparently not doing so well if they've got 1/6 so far.

[Telas]

You see, I feel like yes, killing vocal ones is satisfying, and in the end, no one wants to lose to a gloating loud mouth who says they led the thread of sheeple all game long. But in a game like this, where there isn't 1 versus 1 mentality, there are a lot of big targets, and statistically, killing the loud ones nets less in the way of biggies.

That's why I'm suggesting going after the coasters (not the lazy people or the people who don't have time to play), the people who are low posting and know what's going on. People like Anomander, Atrahal, Karosis.

[Sorrit]

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

I'm here until day times out, so I'd be keen to have an actual discussion about other potential lynches and see how we go?

For a bit, yes! But I gotta go back over the thread again.. I can never remember the majority of the content, ugh.

On a completely different note, I just had to describe what I meant when I said "old person smell".. I mean, I thought most people knew what I meant when I said that?

[Ruse]

Sorrit, on 22 February 2013 - 01:49 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:45 AM, said:

I'm here until day times out, so I'd be keen to have an actual discussion about other potential lynches and see how we go?

For a bit, yes! But I gotta go back over the thread again.. I can never remember the majority of the content, ugh.

On a completely different note, I just had to describe what I meant when I said "old person smell".. I mean, I thought most people knew what I meant when I said that?

I know what you mean!

I'm also slowly going over the thread, trying to make notes because I keep losing track of what's been happening when. The timeline IS important

[Telas]

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

I thought of that, but they're just as likely to be leaders (ie, one of them could be my leader) I'm also just not buying the 7 parshendi with lover connections, that seems like way to much information when the other teams are so much lower in number and only know one other person on their team. 5,5,5,4 makes way more sense if you assume that they have lover connections. It would make more sense if it was 7 total with no lover connections, which then makes your point about finding parshendi in the quieter groups... pointless. Both are a possibility, but I just don't think that works out balancewise to have both a 7 person team AND lover connections between 6 of them. One or the other? Sure. But your breakdown just seems really off to me.

And what happens if lover connections are are the only thing they had. Plus that would be 3 lover pairs isolated from each other. Not much different from the fact that each of us know at least one person on our team (don't insult me with denials).

No denials, I know of one person on my team. Lover connections being the only thing they have doesn't make sense with the gemheart mechanic though. Unless they need the gemhearts to power their relationships? In which case they are apparently not doing so well if they've got 1/6 so far.

Well, let's think of it like this. The prince teams have 4 players, each one with nighttime abilities. They have a head hauncho themselves who probably has a couple of skills if not a BP or two.

The Parshandi on the otherhand have only one mover/shaker (probably with an inheritance clause should he be unlucky on a day 1 lynch) who can do powerful things, but not without a gem first. So what do you do to balance that out? Give the Parshandi more opportunities to grab gems.

[Anomandaris]

You keep throwing my name out there. What more would you like me to do? I've discussed plenty, I just haven't gotten into petty shit-throwing like some of you have.

[Ruse]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:49 AM, said:

You see, I feel like yes, killing vocal ones is satisfying, and in the end, no one wants to lose to a gloating loud mouth who says they led the thread of sheeple all game long. But in a game like this, where there isn't 1 versus 1 mentality, there are a lot of big targets, and statistically, killing the loud ones nets less in the way of biggies.

That's why I'm suggesting going after the coasters (not the lazy people or the people who don't have time to play), the people who are low posting and know what's going on. People like Anomander, Atrahal, Karosis.

I often can't tell the difference between those three groups to be honest. That said, I do feel like Ano in particular is coasting. Atrahal I'll have to go back and take a proper look at because I remember very little of theirs, Karosis' posts have been pretty good contentwise, so they struck as more of a low-time person rather than a coaster. Also what happened to Olar Ethil? I remember them coming on and making a big noise a while after someone voted them and not much since then.

[Telas]

I also suspect that the denial of Parshandi numbers is due to the fact that a lot of people on thread are Parshandi.

[Telas]

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:49 AM, said:

You see, I feel like yes, killing vocal ones is satisfying, and in the end, no one wants to lose to a gloating loud mouth who says they led the thread of sheeple all game long. But in a game like this, where there isn't 1 versus 1 mentality, there are a lot of big targets, and statistically, killing the loud ones nets less in the way of biggies.

That's why I'm suggesting going after the coasters (not the lazy people or the people who don't have time to play), the people who are low posting and know what's going on. People like Anomander, Atrahal, Karosis.

I often can't tell the difference between those three groups to be honest. That said, I do feel like Ano in particular is coasting. Atrahal I'll have to go back and take a proper look at because I remember very little of theirs, Karosis' posts have been pretty good contentwise, so they struck as more of a low-time person rather than a coaster. Also what happened to Olar Ethil? I remember them coming on and making a big noise a while after someone voted them and not much since then.

My criteria has to do with tone of low posts. Some people sound like they are reading the thread carefully, getting in a jibe that could only come from someone who is paying attention and then lurking once more. Other people (Korvalain is the archetype) just sound like they are avoiding being mod killed, but are otherwise uninvolved.

[Anomandaris]

Avast ye mateys, I be coasting on the high seas of coasterdom. Arrrrrr!

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 22 February 2013 - 02:04 AM

[Ruse]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:48 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:28 AM, said:

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Well we have more time than I thought we did. Leaning towards Telas, because of the way they behaved on thread rather than the case, but I speed read the couple of pages I had to catch up on so I'll take another look. I'm also finding Fener's reaction a bit over the top. Lio makes Telas case, Fener comes on voting Lio for being stupid and stirs up a whole lot of mess. And now we have Lio as a potential lynch. Which is... interesting. Also annoying to read people acting like 7 year olds in playground. Blah.

I'll have a proper look at the thread.

And the case on me is just as flimsy as the pile up on Lio. Personally, I think that the careful one's are the power players. Moreover, lover pairs are more likely to be quite for the aforesaid reason that they do most of their talking off thread. I'd go after the quieter active one's personally, such as Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Anomander, and the K's (Kaschan, Korvalain, and Karosis).

I thought of that, but they're just as likely to be leaders (ie, one of them could be my leader) I'm also just not buying the 7 parshendi with lover connections, that seems like way to much information when the other teams are so much lower in number and only know one other person on their team. 5,5,5,4 makes way more sense if you assume that they have lover connections. It would make more sense if it was 7 total with no lover connections, which then makes your point about finding parshendi in the quieter groups... pointless. Both are a possibility, but I just don't think that works out balancewise to have both a 7 person team AND lover connections between 6 of them. One or the other? Sure. But your breakdown just seems really off to me.

And what happens if lover connections are are the only thing they had. Plus that would be 3 lover pairs isolated from each other. Not much different from the fact that each of us know at least one person on our team (don't insult me with denials).

No denials, I know of one person on my team. Lover connections being the only thing they have doesn't make sense with the gemheart mechanic though. Unless they need the gemhearts to power their relationships? In which case they are apparently not doing so well if they've got 1/6 so far.

Well, let's think of it like this. The prince teams have 4 players, each one with nighttime abilities. They have a head hauncho themselves who probably has a couple of skills if not a BP or two.

The Parshandi on the otherhand have only one mover/shaker (probably with an inheritance clause should he be unlucky on a day 1 lynch) who can do powerful things, but not without a gem first. So what do you do to balance that out? Give the Parshandi more opportunities to grab gems.

It's possible I suppose. I dunno, that group just seems too big given the number of players, given that it seems to be a merc game. Especially given that there were 4 night kills, that sounds like one for each team to me, but that's only one night so I guess we'll wait and see.

[Ruse]

Telas, on 22 February 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

I also suspect that the denial of Parshandi numbers is due to the fact that a lot of people on thread are Parshandi.

See if they add up to 7

Or you could just be wrong. Personally I'm suspicious of anything that sounds like certainty, but that's just me.

[Telas]

Oh, come now, I never said I was certain, but I think that I have a good theory.

[Telas]

Anomandaris, on 22 February 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

Avast ye mateys, I be coasting on the high seas of coasterdom. Arrrrrr!

Yup. You grabbed some low hanging fruit about Captains versus Elite Guards and saying something like "oh wow, lot of peopled died," but otherwise you are just being entertaining and not commenting as much as you are paying attention. Smacks of a bigger fish, which are better for frying.

[Ruse]

You are digging in you heels though. Saying you think people are disagreeing with you because there must be a lots of them on thread without actually taking a look at who is disagreeing with you is specious.

[Telas]

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 02:11 AM, said:

You are digging in you heels though. Saying you think people are disagreeing with you because there must be a lots of them on thread without actually taking a look at who is disagreeing with you is specious.

and a lot of work. If you insist, I'll do the grunt work of digging up the '7' deniers.

[Ruse]

If you like. It still doesn't scare me off disagreeing with you, just like it won't for other players who disagree and aren't parshendi. But but actually having some evidence for your claims is probably better play than just making accusations.

[Telas]

Ruse, on 22 February 2013 - 02:18 AM, said:

If you like. It still doesn't scare me off disagreeing with you, just like it won't for other players who disagree and aren't parshendi. But but actually having some evidence for your claims is probably better play than just making accusations.

With reasons like that, I think I need a pair of your rose-tinted glasses to see that "better" in a different light.

[Blend]

It is Day 2. 2 hours and 38 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Kaschan, Korvalain, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite, Telas

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night.

6 votes Liosan: Fener, Silanah, Kaschan, Galain, Atrahal, Anomandaris
4 votes Telas: Liosan, Osseric, Ruse, Sorrit
1 vote Atrahal: Telas

Players not voted: Karosis, Korvalain, Olar Ethil, Spite, Telas