[Kilava]

Rashan, on 27 March 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Well of the two cases I have to say that I would much rather like to see if Bendal Home truly found something about Rhyllandaras and as I won't be on when day times out I'll lay my vote down now.

Vote Rhyllandaras

Can somebody enlighten me? Or did I just read rashan say that he wants to vote somebody simply to find out if somebody else is indeed a possible finder?Talk about exposing stuff that shouldn't be exposed to the thread, suspicns of who you think are finders is one of them.
Unless of course you are signaling or suggesting a possible nk target or two for the killer roles perhaps.
Did I read this right? Or is rashan talking about something I missed?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 6 hours and 50 minutes remaining
26 Players still alive: Ampelas, Ay Estos, Bek Okhan, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Desra, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

14 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Silchas Ruin ( Ampelas )
2 Votes for Ay Estos ( Tellan, Ryllandaras )
5 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Bek Okhan, Desra, Korlat, Rashan )
6 Votes for Ampelas ( Kilava, Karosis, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Ultama, Ay Estos )

Players not voted: D'riss, Demelain, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Trake, Tulas Shorn


I'm out for a while

-D

[Skintick]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

I have. I'm just ... not convinced at the moment. It's a little too easy to pretend.

[Karosis]

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Rashan, on 27 March 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Well of the two cases I have to say that I would much rather like to see if Bendal Home truly found something about Rhyllandaras and as I won't be on when day times out I'll lay my vote down now.

Vote Rhyllandaras

Can somebody enlighten me? Or did I just read rashan say that he wants to vote somebody simply to find out if somebody else is indeed a possible finder?Talk about exposing stuff that shouldn't be exposed to the thread, suspicns of who you think are finders is one of them.
Unless of course you are signaling or suggesting a possible nk target or two for the killer roles perhaps.
Did I read this right? Or is rashan talking about something I missed?

It is a strange one this because BH has been going after Ryll since day one. I do not recall coming across a day find ability before. I think he wants to know if BH has caught scum with his mafia skillz alone.


I am going to head away soon and not return until after deadline, does anyone know of time and vote?


edit - crosspost

This post has been edited by Karosis: 27 March 2013 - 10:13 PM

[Bek Okhan]

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Rashan, on 27 March 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Well of the two cases I have to say that I would much rather like to see if Bendal Home truly found something about Rhyllandaras and as I won't be on when day times out I'll lay my vote down now.

Vote Rhyllandaras

Can somebody enlighten me? Or did I just read rashan say that he wants to vote somebody simply to find out if somebody else is indeed a possible finder?Talk about exposing stuff that shouldn't be exposed to the thread, suspicns of who you think are finders is one of them.
Unless of course you are signaling or suggesting a possible nk target or two for the killer roles perhaps.
Did I read this right? Or is rashan talking about something I missed?

I do believe he's talking about the "signalling" BH found on Day 1.

at least I hope that's waht he's taking about.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I will change my vote later. As I said I was happy to do. But I'm also fine with a lynch of me. Unlike other CFs thus far, mine will be definitive about what I am.


I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

You claim to have a very definitive cf role. Yet you tell the thread not to believe cf's.
So which one is it? You can't have it both ways only when it suits you?

I was liking the passion in the post right up until this bit of hypocrisy cropped up....sigh

[Kilava]

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Rashan, on 27 March 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Well of the two cases I have to say that I would much rather like to see if Bendal Home truly found something about Rhyllandaras and as I won't be on when day times out I'll lay my vote down now.

Vote Rhyllandaras

Can somebody enlighten me? Or did I just read rashan say that he wants to vote somebody simply to find out if somebody else is indeed a possible finder?Talk about exposing stuff that shouldn't be exposed to the thread, suspicns of who you think are finders is one of them.
Unless of course you are signaling or suggesting a possible nk target or two for the killer roles perhaps.
Did I read this right? Or is rashan talking about something I missed?

I do believe he's talking about the "signalling" BH found on Day 1.

at least I hope that's waht he's taking about.

Ah yes. That could be it.
Forgot about that signal "joke vote" theory is it?....

[Bek Okhan]

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Rashan, on 27 March 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Well of the two cases I have to say that I would much rather like to see if Bendal Home truly found something about Rhyllandaras and as I won't be on when day times out I'll lay my vote down now.

Vote Rhyllandaras

Can somebody enlighten me? Or did I just read rashan say that he wants to vote somebody simply to find out if somebody else is indeed a possible finder?Talk about exposing stuff that shouldn't be exposed to the thread, suspicns of who you think are finders is one of them.
Unless of course you are signaling or suggesting a possible nk target or two for the killer roles perhaps.
Did I read this right? Or is rashan talking about something I missed?

I do believe he's talking about the "signalling" BH found on Day 1.

at least I hope that's waht he's taking about.

Ah yes. That could be it.
Forgot about that signal "joke vote" theory is it?....

yeah, that's the one

[Ampelas]

Skintick, on 27 March 2013 - 10:11 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

I have. I'm just ... not convinced at the moment. It's a little too easy to pretend.

Unless something big happens (which ok, is more likely in this game than others), I will either be lynched today or tomorrow, with Ryll being the other one who is lynched either today or tomorrow. Because there's no way that enough people will let go of what they see as the easy, don't-really-have-to-put-in-effort lynch.

I'm speaking of myself, not Ryll. Ryll could well be scummy for all I know, but unfortunately I've spent the entire day defending myself from this that and the other, so I haven't exactly had much time to look deeper. I know that there is a signalling case related to Fanderay, and I know that Ryll is making some really weird arguments on who Ay and/or Bek supposedly are. With the latter, it could be part of an effort to pull attention away from himself.

As I said in my previous post, I am fine with a lynch of myself. In the long run, it could, *could* actually prove useful to town. Of course, I wouldn't exactly be happy, but whatevs.

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I will change my vote later. As I said I was happy to do. But I'm also fine with a lynch of me. Unlike other CFs thus far, mine will be definitive about what I am.


I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

You claim to have a very definitive cf role. Yet you tell the thread not to believe cf's.
So which one is it? You can't have it both ways only when it suits you?

I was liking the passion in the post right up until this bit of hypocrisy cropped up....sigh

I never said don't believe, I said show caution...sigh. Let's save the entire thread some hassle and not get into this argument again, Killy. So lynch me and find out. Or don't. Either way, I hardly think this alt is staying alive for much longer.

[Bek Okhan]

ok, i'm off to work. back in 5 hours or so.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I will change my vote later. As I said I was happy to do. But I'm also fine with a lynch of me. Unlike other CFs thus far, mine will be definitive about what I am.


I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

You claim to have a very definitive cf role. Yet you tell the thread not to believe cf's.
So which one is it? You can't have it both ways only when it suits you?

I was liking the passion in the post right up until this bit of hypocrisy cropped up....sigh

I never said don't believe, I said show caution...sigh. Let's save the entire thread some hassle and not get into this argument again, Killy. So lynch me and find out. Or don't. Either way, I hardly think this alt is staying alive for much longer.

You have to agree that from the outside what you have said is hypocritical. On the one hand you advise people to not trust cf's, yet on the other hand yours just happens to be "definitive".
Bloody hell... Just as I was going to change my vote.You go and do this, and acting all defeatist and soppy to boot.
Confusing the shit out if me.
Could you explain to me why you would.... Oh never mind. I'm going to start wifomming myself to smithereens here.

[Ampelas]

Kilava said:

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Kilava said:

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I will change my vote later. As I said I was happy to do. But I'm also fine with a lynch of me. Unlike other CFs thus far, mine will be definitive about what I am.


I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

You claim to have a very definitive cf role. Yet you tell the thread not to believe cf's.
So which one is it? You can't have it both ways only when it suits you?

I was liking the passion in the post right up until this bit of hypocrisy cropped up....sigh

I never said don't believe, I said show caution...sigh. Let's save the entire thread some hassle and not get into this argument again, Killy. So lynch me and find out. Or don't. Either way, I hardly think this alt is staying alive for much longer.

You have to agree that from the outside what you have said is hypocritical. On the one hand you advise people to not trust cf's, yet on the other hand yours just happens to be "definitive".
Bloody hell... Just as I was going to change my vote.You go and do this, and acting all defeatist and soppy to boot.
Confusing the shit out if me.
Could you explain to me why you would.... Oh never mind. I'm going to start wifomming myself to smithereens here.

Oh I'm not defeatist (I am irritated by the manner of some/most of the votes on me, but for all I know those could be scum). And you'll never catch me self-voting. Do the work yourselves. I'm just saying that there could actually, in the long run, be an upside for town in lynching me. So there is that.
To be honest, I didn't think about my own CF when making those comments. I was entirely focused on Isabelle Paix's CF. Someone said they were likely scum, possibly based on that role previous performance, and I was making the point that it's not so obvious, and that Paix could just as easily be town here.

[Kilava]

So... Because you keep harping on about the fact that you where only telling people to be "cautious". I just had to go back and get the quote that started this all to refresh everyone's memory. I just can't help myself.

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 26 March 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Nenanda's role strikes me as either scum or serial killer - making sure a death happens during the day no matter what.

Zahska was town in espers though...

I don't think we can think about it that way, though. It would just be a little too easy. Otherwise it would be too easy to say, "Well, that person is town, because that role in a previous game was town, and that person is scum, because that role was scum..." If the number of deaths per day/night stays about as low as we've had thus far, then it would become a little too easy to identify the good/bad guys. Then it just comes down to identifying whether they're in your faction or not. Huh, having written all that and looked over it, you could be on to something too.

I'm not discounting the fact that, just as with Eloth, Nenanda could have been one or the other, but just in the context of this game, it strikes me as more of a scummy role.

Here. You plainly and simply state that you don't think that roles that come up in cf's in this game will reflect roles in the older games.There is no word of caution. No you say you don't think it's that way because it would make the game too easy.
So how do you say things like this, in one post. And then claim your very own role is in fact actually "definitive" later on in the day?
Thus I find myself wondering at your hypocrisy. At least acknowledge it.

[Kilava]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 10:22 PM, said:

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

I will change my vote later. As I said I was happy to do. But I'm also fine with a lynch of me. Unlike other CFs thus far, mine will be definitive about what I am.


I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

You claim to have a very definitive cf role. Yet you tell the thread not to believe cf's.
So which one is it? You can't have it both ways only when it suits you?

I was liking the passion in the post right up until this bit of hypocrisy cropped up....sigh

I never said don't believe, I said show caution...sigh. Let's save the entire thread some hassle and not get into this argument again, Killy. So lynch me and find out. Or don't. Either way, I hardly think this alt is staying alive for much longer.

You have to agree that from the outside what you have said is hypocritical. On the one hand you advise people to not trust cf's, yet on the other hand yours just happens to be "definitive".
Bloody hell... Just as I was going to change my vote.You go and do this, and acting all defeatist and soppy to boot.
Confusing the shit out if me.
Could you explain to me why you would.... Oh never mind. I'm going to start wifomming myself to smithereens here.

Oh I'm not defeatist (I am irritated by the manner of some/most of the votes on me, but for all I know those could be scum). And you'll never catch me self-voting. Do the work yourselves. I'm just saying that there could actually, in the long run, be an upside for town in lynching me. So there is that.
To be honest, I didn't think about my own CF when making those comments. I was entirely focused on Isabelle Paix's CF. Someone said they were likely scum, possibly based on that role previous performance, and I was making the point that it's not so obvious, and that Paix could just as easily be town here.

Hmmmm
Remove vote
Vote ryllanderas
See what a little honesty can get you?I believe a ryllanderas lynch will yield more interesting results.Ampelas has somewhat swayed me. I'm not sure why. Just smacks of honesty.

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

So... Because you keep harping on about the fact that you where only telling people to be "cautious". I just had to go back and get the quote that started this all to refresh everyone's memory. I just can't help myself.

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 26 March 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Nenanda's role strikes me as either scum or serial killer - making sure a death happens during the day no matter what.

Zahska was town in espers though...

I don't think we can think about it that way, though. It would just be a little too easy. Otherwise it would be too easy to say, "Well, that person is town, because that role in a previous game was town, and that person is scum, because that role was scum..." If the number of deaths per day/night stays about as low as we've had thus far, then it would become a little too easy to identify the good/bad guys. Then it just comes down to identifying whether they're in your faction or not. Huh, having written all that and looked over it, you could be on to something too.

I'm not discounting the fact that, just as with Eloth, Nenanda could have been one or the other, but just in the context of this game, it strikes me as more of a scummy role.

Here. You plainly and simply state that you don't think that roles that come up in cf's in this game will reflect roles in the older games.There is no word of caution. No you say you don't think it's that way because it would make the game too easy.
So how do you say things like this, in one post. And then claim your very own role is in fact actually "definitive" later on in the day?
Thus I find myself wondering at your hypocrisy. At least acknowledge it.

Lol, I can just imagine you pounding my head against a brick wall whilst screaming, 'ACKNOWLEDGE IT, ACKNOWLEDGE IT!!!'


I believe my particular case is fairly rare - although definitely not the only one if my reading of posts is any good.


I had a post, some time ago, in which I said that the particular things taken from previous games might be more mundane than people assume. I'll go find it if you want. Well, I wasn't getting that from thin air, I was speaking from my own situation. This particular role is from a famous game, yes, but it is just an RI from that game. Nothing more. It doesn't even have a proper name. That's how, upon my CF, you will know I am town.

[Ampelas]

That's also why I don't care about stirring shit up, and posting, and responding to all and sundry. That is, after all, the point of the RI role. Not to hide.

[Kilava]

Oh shut your pie hole...I removed my vote.

[Kilava]

I see you got a nice train on you while I was gone.
Nice place to look for scum perhaps. Choooo choooo

[Ampelas]

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

I see you got a nice train on you while I was gone.
Nice place to look for scum perhaps. Choooo choooo

Those were my thoughts also. At least a couple of people jumped on very readily.