[Fanderay]

Right, it looks like we have a choice between Ryll and Amp.

Personally, I think Ryll of simply dim. The joke vote for me referencing a scum team, the insistence that there are shenanigans surrounding the respawning, and continuous mistakes on interaction with BH. To be fair, I think BH's tactic of riding someone could get as many mistakes from an inno as a scum player. It's easy to get flustered when someone is acting so antagonistic.

On the other hand, we have Amp. The biggest black mark against him is that vote for Silchas. Also a pretty dim move, whether he is scum or inno. His point that his cf will be useful to town is leading me more towards his lynch than Ryll's right now.

[Ampelas]

I'm willing to discount Ay Estos, because I still think that's likely the former Jester. So I'll be taking a look at Karosis, Silchas, Skintick, and Ultama.

There's also yourself Kilava, but as you started the train and have been riding me hard for a long time, you don't fit into the same category as those four, especially the last three.

[Kilava]

Bed time for me.
I'm happy with a ryll lynch as he rubbed me the wrong way since day one.
The guy is all over the place. Certifiable at times even!
Good night and good luck...bitches.

[D'riss]

Interesting day.

I tend to somewhat believe Ampelas... but the Silchas Ruin vote is just so odd and is hard to step away from. I kind of get your reasoning, you believe it to not be a major hit to lose this alt if it benefits in the end, and I can understand that rationale. But, it also means you either believe Silchas is scummier than Ryll or you have reason to believe Ryll is town, or your claim that you honestly don't give enough of a flying fuck to vote someone you don't buy either.

Sounds similar to someone's posts yesterday....

Ryll is also acting strange with the returned alts.

Of the two I'm more apt to vote Ryll, but I have a feeling both are probably town.

[Ampelas]

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

Interesting day.

I tend to somewhat believe Ampelas... but the Silchas Ruin vote is just so odd and is hard to step away from. I kind of get your reasoning, you believe it to not be a major hit to lose this alt if it benefits in the end, and I can understand that rationale. But, it also means you either believe Silchas is scummier than Ryll or you have reason to believe Ryll is town, or your claim that you honestly don't give enough of a flying fuck to vote someone you don't buy either.

Sounds similar to someone's posts yesterday....

Ryll is also acting strange with the returned alts.

Of the two I'm more apt to vote Ryll, but I have a feeling both are probably town.

I have no certainty about Ryll one way or the other. I do, however, like to follow my own trains of thought, even if they are not very well thought out

I honestly did feel that the thread had gone very stale. If you removed me defending myself today, you'd have very little left, and all the arguments were just the same questions being repeated over and over again. We have 26 alts here. I know we can't have a proper discussion on everyone, I know that. But of the four who received attention today, two are the same as yesterday: Ryll, and New Eloth. Another is the Jester and there is NO POINT in them even being considered for another lynch, and yet some people were seriously suggesting that. The last one is me and even I was facing questions yesterday.


There has been little effort to get those skulking in the shadows out of those shadows, and they've thus far faced a very comfortable and happy time.

Ok, I admit my effort at drawing someone else out (Silchas, and possibly his defenders, if he is scum), was somewhat cack-handed. But I haven't exactly had much time to focus on others today, for some odd reason

[Tulas Shorn]

Bek Okhan, on 27 March 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 March 2013 - 08:41 PM, said:

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 27 March 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

I'm having the worst time trying to get read up

It's a pain, sure but It's better than a dead thread. Stop whining!

just so you know, I wasn't whining, I was letting you guys know that I hadn't wandered off

have you read up yet? what do you think?

I think there's something wrong with BH, to start.

Other than that, I could vote for Amp I guess if it's needed to get a lynch for today, but prefer Ryll - mostly because his tone somehow makes me think of a guy clenching his jaw during an ass chewing - we'll see I suppose

[Tulas Shorn]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

You people can be very strange, you know that? Why on earth, if I was scum, would i draw attention to myself with a new, fairly baseless vote?


And for those asking why would he do that with the cases our there already - you make it sound as if there's soooo much information on thread when there is not. The thread had gone stale and I wanted to draw other people into the conversation.


Several of you sound so big headed when you have no right to be. Because you've done nothing so far, nothing at all. You haven't even stooped to think why I would do such a thing aside from to regurgitate Karosis.

I could easily have kept my head down and not posted at all. Or just immediately hopped on Ryllandaras or Ay or Bek and ignored everything and everyone else. But I didn't. Yeah, very scummy.

I will change my vote later. As I said I was happy to do. But I'm also fine with a lynch of me. Unlike other CFs thus far, mine will be definitive about what I am.


I just wish more of you would actually pause and really think about it.

I hate it when people say stuff like that

[Skintick]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 11:21 PM, said:

If you removed me defending myself today, you'd have very little left, and all the arguments were just the same questions being repeated over and over again. We have 26 alts here. I know we can't have a proper discussion on everyone, I know that. But of the four who received attention today, two are the same as yesterday: Ryll, and New Eloth. Another is the Jester and there is NO POINT in them even being considered for another lynch, and yet some people were seriously suggesting that.

There's no real conclusive evidence as to which of Ay Estos and Bek Okham is Eloth or Aranatha, to me. Or I'd say repeatedly speed lynch whichever isn't the Jester, to get our first 100% CF.

[D'riss]

There are so many alts I have absolutely no clue on how to read. The game is already so large it makes it hard to keep track and I only get about one chance to read the thread a day.

I'll vote Ryll because I think it helps to get a read and he has been somewhat on the radar both days. In addition it will get him off the radar for now so that the thread can focus elsewhere if he turns out to CF as a role that is likely town.

Vote Ryllandaras

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 5 hours and 28 minutes remaining
26 Players still alive: Ampelas, Ay Estos, Bek Okhan, Bendal Home, D'riss, Demelain, Desra, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Karosis, Kilava, Korbas, Korlat, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Tellan, Trake, Tulas Shorn, Ultama

14 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Silchas Ruin ( Ampelas )
2 Votes for Ay Estos ( Tellan, Ryllandaras )
7 Votes for Ryllandaras ( Bendal Home, Bek Okhan, Desra, Korlat, Rashan, Kilava, D'riss )
5 Votes for Ampelas ( Karosis, Silchas Ruin, Skintick, Ultama, Ay Estos )

Players not voted: Demelain, Fanderay, Galayn Lord, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Omtose, Prazec Goul, Trake, Tulas Shorn

[Tulas Shorn]

I finally caught up, but I'm still feeling like an idiot

Aren't there a few people not posting at all?

[Monok Ochem]

Ampelas, on 27 March 2013 - 10:56 PM, said:

Kilava, on 27 March 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

So... Because you keep harping on about the fact that you where only telling people to be "cautious". I just had to go back and get the quote that started this all to refresh everyone's memory. I just can't help myself.

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 11:15 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 26 March 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 26 March 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:

Nenanda's role strikes me as either scum or serial killer - making sure a death happens during the day no matter what.

Zahska was town in espers though...

I don't think we can think about it that way, though. It would just be a little too easy. Otherwise it would be too easy to say, "Well, that person is town, because that role in a previous game was town, and that person is scum, because that role was scum..." If the number of deaths per day/night stays about as low as we've had thus far, then it would become a little too easy to identify the good/bad guys. Then it just comes down to identifying whether they're in your faction or not. Huh, having written all that and looked over it, you could be on to something too.

I'm not discounting the fact that, just as with Eloth, Nenanda could have been one or the other, but just in the context of this game, it strikes me as more of a scummy role.

Here. You plainly and simply state that you don't think that roles that come up in cf's in this game will reflect roles in the older games.There is no word of caution. No you say you don't think it's that way because it would make the game too easy.
So how do you say things like this, in one post. And then claim your very own role is in fact actually "definitive" later on in the day?
Thus I find myself wondering at your hypocrisy. At least acknowledge it.

Lol, I can just imagine you pounding my head against a brick wall whilst screaming, 'ACKNOWLEDGE IT, ACKNOWLEDGE IT!!!'


I believe my particular case is fairly rare - although definitely not the only one if my reading of posts is any good.


I had a post, some time ago, in which I said that the particular things taken from previous games might be more mundane than people assume. I'll go find it if you want. Well, I wasn't getting that from thin air, I was speaking from my own situation. This particular role is from a famous game, yes, but it is just an RI from that game. Nothing more. It doesn't even have a proper name. That's how, upon my CF, you will know I am town.

I am going to do a deeper read in a little while, mainly cause I'm busy with post-dinner stuff atm, but I just have to say that I find the above by Amp highlighted in red patently ridiculous. If anyone else wants to substantiate his claim by saying they have a RI role as well, please do, because I find it very hard to believe D'rek would give someone a nameless RI in this game (especially with the CF's we've seen so far).

As I said, I need to read over everything, again. But that comment alone has made you lynch worth in my eyes (not even the SR thing was altogether convincing). I will judge for myself as to whether or not your CF is convincing like the Jester's.

Vote Ampelas

[D'riss]

There're "roles" and then there are "ROLES."

I somewhat believe Amp. Maybe not that he is completely "nameless" but that his first alt is effectively RI.

[Ryllandaras]

I think it would be more beneficial to find out who Ay is, but Ampelas has contradicted himself regarding cfs, and his vote for Silchas seemed off. .



remove vote


Vote Ampelas

[Tulas Shorn]

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

There're "roles" and then there are "ROLES."

I somewhat believe Amp. Maybe not that he is completely "nameless" but that his first alt is effectively RI.

what convinces you?

[Tulas Shorn]

Ryllandaras, on 27 March 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

I think it would be more beneficial to find out who Ay is, but Ampelas has contradicted himself regarding cfs, and his vote for Silchas seemed off. .



remove vote


Vote Ampelas

and, he's not you...

I thought everybody had decided that no one cares who Ay really is?

[D'riss]

What do you think?

I hopped on Eloth for the same statement yesterday that everybody will have three roles with abilities.

I could be wrong about Amp, but I'm not wrong about the theory being basically incorrect.

[Monok Ochem]

D, on 27 March 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

There're "roles" and then there are "ROLES."

I somewhat believe Amp. Maybe not that he is completely "nameless" but that his first alt is effectively RI.

I would agree, but RI stands for roleless innocent. If he had say a once a night healer power with no knowledge of who was on his team, he would still have a role, albeit a minor one. Even Aranatha Jesus, while not having any active powers, still had the clause of eradicating everyone on thread should she be lynched coupled with the memorability of being Jesus in a prison scene.

And the barely having a name, as Amp states, implies that this role doesn't even have memorability going for it. The statement is just too self-depreciatin.

[Mockra]

Here for 5 minutes, haven't quite caught up the last few pages yet, but I'll have time later tonight.

I just wanted to say that the talk about recruitment today seems a bit... odd. I don't remember any discussion about recruitment in day 1 and it seems to have turned up unremarked today.

Monok Ochem, on 27 March 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

What I'm trying to reason out is why the Jester would have to be lynched 3 times. It makes sense at first glance (3 lives, 3 deaths, win!), but then thinking about the Jester's first role, Jesus, it becomes obvious that the Jester was a Jester when killed and thus people will not want to waste lynches on him in the future.

This all means that
1) The Jester would have to avoid being identified in the role switch to manage getting another lynch
2) The Jester would have to be suspicious enough to garner subsequent lynches without being probed by the more terminal day/night kill.

Now I agree that it seems silly for the Jester to have such a difficult winning conditions (1 NK = loss? ). I actually think that somehow the Jester is still in the game, without having to rely on the recruitment mechanic. That would in my mind justify an unspoken role switch between Bek and Ay, such that Eloth doesn't want to be lynched and Aranatha does, and thus it is in both their interests to appear as the other player (hence Bek's sullen cryptic responses).
/snip

Have I missed something about Jester role mechanics? I remember reading a discussion about the Jester winning with another team, but doesn't that just mean that they don't need everyone else to lose before they win (and also that their winning doesn't mean that everyone else loses?). I'm willing to be completely off track here, since I've not been following the game closely enough (should be all right over the next few days though) but I thought I should bring it up just in case.

Korbas, on 27 March 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

/snip

Korlat, on 27 March 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

/snip

I'm becoming less and less interested in taking out somebody's 2nd alt.

Rhyllandros' still trying to convince us that Nenanda activated a new alt before the old alt was dead is getting weird. Bringing up why Nenanda was killed in the first place.

Ampelas' incredibly lazy vote on Silchas suggests stupidity or deflecting. Off Rhyll???

He did not seem interested in Ryll yesterday. Are you suggesting he was recruited?

Why would this be the first conclusion people jump to? There are plenty of other reasons why Amp might not be interested in Rhyll (They're a finder, Rhyll is a scum partner, day 1 is usually crap anyway etc.)

I'm not saying that it's not in the game, for all I know it could be. I'm just curious about why it's being brought up now.

[Ampelas]

I find it astonishing how some people seem to think that RI is not an important role. It is the foundation of mafia. It is the role which, when people have it, they should not be afraid to come and speak out, because they know they have no ability to protect and help town with behind the scenes. It is the role for which posting on thread is meant for more than any other. And as such of course it would be in a game celebrating mafia.