[Hinter]

Here.


Must say after the denoument yesterday. I feel somewhat used, therefore I'm going to be a lot more circumspect today - no piling on last minute votes just because an elder says it is the right thing to do.

However, with no NK I have to say that Silencer's reasoning has much merit, i.e our killer is being guarded (I am making the assumtion that we had two killers and we've lynched one of them, purely because two killers would be standard in a game like this).

Of course he could be a clever killer.

Now whether Bliss is a symp or not, not sure of the point in lynching her atm. We do want her master after all. Best to keep her alive and pile the pressure on in the hope that she'll give something away.

But hey - I have no fucking clue what is going on at the moment so what do I know?

[HiddenOne]

Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Lady B and HO are doing enough to not be considered as a low poster but not enough to lead the thread and be noticed. Tapper is low enough to be off the radar completely which is why I picked up on him attacking Lady B today of all days. You got to look at a few different things here.

As far as my post count goes, I've posted where I can, but I feel like I've actively participated instead of just post padding. I'm not so sure that we are as down to the wire as some people have implied though. I can't imagine that there could be more than 1 scum player left.

I'd have thought that the game would be over. So we must have a killer out there.

Yep. I thought so too.

What makes you think HO is not it?

Tapper's play stands out more to me as being on Blend's team. HO actually voted for them. I think hammering to distance yourself is one thing, but systematically removing your own team members is something else. I do agree that HO has played like a follower, which looks scummy itself.

that's called working together towards the best interest of town - If I don;t have something of my own to put forward, I try to support what makes most sense. Blend and Dude acted plenty scummy, imo so I didn't need anybody to come to that decision. The vote on Sixty was following, I give you. You'll notice everybody on at that time also followed Silencer, assuming he was doing what's best.

[Tattersail_]

HiddenOne, on 24 January 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

I'm thinking The dude pointed away from Blend by pointing at HO, it is a win win for the dude as one of them will be overlooked.

this doesn't make sense to me, please expand

Okay he is your symp AND Blends symp so by pointing a finger at you he is double bluffing. Not sure, bliss seems to protect you all the time. If someone had time go back to when I last voted HO and you'll see Bliss form her case elsewhere. Each time I've mentioned him it hits a sore note with her. Couple that with them being very agreeable and her making Him sound.like a follower other than her leader is clever play ish. if no one does it tonight I'll look to do it tomorrow.morning

[Bonecaster]

If nobody does what?

[Lady Bliss]

Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 08:01 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 24 January 2013 - 06:54 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 24 January 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

I'm thinking The dude pointed away from Blend by pointing at HO, it is a win win for the dude as one of them will be overlooked.

this doesn't make sense to me, please expand

Okay he is your symp AND Blends symp so by pointing a finger at you he is double bluffing. Not sure, bliss seems to protect you all the time. If someone had time go back to when I last voted HO and you'll see Bliss form her case elsewhere. Each time I've mentioned him it hits a sore note with her. Couple that with them being very agreeable and her making Him sound.like a follower other than her leader is clever play ish. if no one does it tonight I'll look to do it tomorrow.morning

This makes no sense. So I'm supposed to select what to me appears to be a less probable case instead of a stronger one? I guess I should have gone after you them instead of so doggedly pursuing Blend. If you guys are so sure then I'll vote HO, and if we are still around tomorrow then I'm going back to Tapper.

I'd like to hear more opinions first though since there's lots of time on the clock.

[Bonecaster]

*pokes head in and looks around*



Where the hell did everybody go?

[HiddenOne]

I'm still working like a fool

[Hinter]

Tapper, on 24 January 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

With only a symp left, by traditional understanding, the game would be called. I think we may be looking at a neutralized killer (guarded, so he needs the guard lynched?), or perhaps a scum guard plus one symp or something like that, or maybe two symps who know each other, but what then of The Dude? My expectation is that there is 2 scum alive still, really.

Two scum still alive meaning two killers?

Meaning one was guarded last night and one chose to withold? Or both were guarded (which seems highly unlikely) or both witheld (less unlikely if they can communicate I suppose but still seems a bit far fetched.)

Or two scum alive meaning one killer and one symp?

[Hinter]

Silencer, on 24 January 2013 - 12:52 AM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

Soooooooooo....

Yeah. Nah.

^Best post of the game. XD

If Silencer is the guard then this is the only post I can spot that may indicate whom he was guarding. Thin I know, but I have jokingly made reference to Silencer's essays in the thread and he seems to always address several points per post but this is directed at one person specifically.

Best I can do atm.

I will have to vote in the next hour or so as I will be asleep when day ends, but Tapper's suspicion that Bliss is a symp and this rather cryptic post from Silencer suggesting to me that she may be more than that would lead me to vote Bliss.

Hopefully someone will be on to discuss before I turn in.

[Bonecaster]

Aren't there 12+ hours to go?


I sure wish more people had checked in, though. I'm going to bed. Not gonna vote until morning. Night all.

[Hinter]

Meh, still no one here.

[Hinter]

Ok. I have a minimum 12 hour night shift to get through tonight, followed immediately by a 250mile round trip to London (to pick up a rather spanking guitar I won on ebay) so I am going to...

vote Bliss


...despite my earlier post about going for the master rather than the symp.

My reasoning - the possible indicator from Silencer - is admittedly thin, but I figure that people will eventually get on thread later in the day and if Bliss is a bad vote a lynch can be easily avoided.

Won't be back on thread until 1900GMT ish.

[Tapper]

HiddenOne, on 24 January 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

never seen Tapper as lowest poster before, that's unusual

I'm still irritated about the end of day/tense lynch from last night - What was going on in the Silencer brain?

It's because I'm super busy. Had I known it would be this crazy and that the usual tolerance for life issues would be gone, seeing how people try and get me lynched for not voting (hard to vote if you are not around), I would not have bothered signing up.

Lady Bliss, on 24 January 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Nope, I'm not going to be pushed off. My gut has told me all along that Tapper was scum, and his lack of voting for his scum team confirms it for me. Maybe there was no signalling on day 1. I think Khell had stumbled into calling BC the same thing that Blend did, and he was NKd to say "if Khell was inno, then Bliss's Day 1 signalling case was total bullshit". Just because there might not have been signally is no reason to Tapper.

Tapper's case against me is based on the fact that I've found him scummy, and I still do, but this is purely on the vote trains.
Vote Tapper

Hard to vote when you are not around. I explained my initial absence of a vote for Blend, which was the same reasoning as why Silencer initially removed from Sixty. You swallow his explanation without a word but hunt me for mine. The Dude... I don't think I was around. Also, Blissy, in a game with no CF, how do you *know* they are scum? Pushing once again.

Bonecaster, on 24 January 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Well, even though I'm beginning to understand the tiniest part of things, I'm nowhere near understanding why things have gone the way they have. Hell, I'm not positive I know how things have gone! So I can only give my very uncertain opinion that I don't like Tapper's attitude. Bliss has voted all along, and participated. I don't really remember seeing TONS from her, at least not when compared to a few others, and a post count might reveal Tapper actually posted more. But Tapper hasn't been among the top, either, and hasn't been voting as much, if what Bliss just said is true. (I understand the need to keep notes, now.) So Tapper's vote looks at least like "Where do you get off?", and possibly suspicious.

Voting/posting =/= contributing.

@ Hinter:

Quote

Two scum still alive meaning two killers?

Meaning one was guarded last night and one chose to withold? Or both were guarded (which seems highly unlikely) or both witheld (less unlikely if they can communicate I suppose but still seems a bit far fetched.)

Or two scum alive meaning one killer and one symp?

the last bit.

[Tattersail_]

So firstly looking back. Blend votes HO.

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

Okay, so let me get this straight, because I called Bonecaster a dirty newbie, Khell copied me, Tapper talked about some dirty stilton, and then I commented about how agreeing with Khell makes me feel unclean, we're a scum team? Really? That case is stronger than Tattersail trying to manipulate the newbie and spazzing out over 2 votes? Wow... Here I thought I understood Mafia. Thank you for disabusing me of that notion.

I have obviously hit some nerves in the Tattersail accusations, so I'm going to back off for now.

Now that HO has checked in, however, I think we should vote him off. I know for a fact that he's been keeping up with the thread before he was subbed in for Brujah (he was often seen as one of the Users reading this topic at the bottom), so he should definitely have some opinions.

vote HiddenOne

Then a little later he removes vote.

Blend, on 16 January 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

For the record, HO was mostly a joke vote. Playing along with Gnaw. My true suspicions still lie in Tatts' direction.

remove vote
vote Tattersail

So early on he has put a vote on his potential partner. Why this vote already, that quick?

[Tattersail_]

Only 3 hours to go, PS shows 4 votes for Blend

D, on 17 January 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 21 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: Blend, Bonecaster, Dude, Gnaw, Hiddenone, Hinter, Khell, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Sixty, Tapper, Tattersail

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Blend ( Hinter, Lady Bliss, Gnaw, Khell )
1 Vote for Khell ( Tattersail, The Dude )
Tattersail (Sixty, Blend, Khell)

Players not voted: Bonecaster, Dude, Hiddenone, Silencer, Sixty, Tapper

So now HO jumps on the train. Good place to jump on if you don't want to be associated with our suspected killer.

HiddenOne, on 17 January 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

glad to see Silencer is leading a master class on the finer points of noob baiting, I was really hurting myself trying to glean the facts from the page 1-5 crossfire.

now it's time for me to shut down for a few hours


My take on the two main suspects for today:

I interacted with Blend a bit, he struck me as somewhat jumpy, reacting - first voting me, then unvoting when called out, claiming jokes & general good times

Tatts has laid down plenty of his typical stream of thought, didn't note anything unusual- in fact I didn't get to read much of substance from anyone yet but it's early



I feel Blend to be the best choice at this time, and since I will not be back before time out (if the 5 hours is correct)I leave my vote

Vote Blend

[Tattersail_]

Okay so this little interaction strikes me as symp and killer talking to one and other. HO asking Lady Bliss for her thoughts.

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Booooooo! No lynch is lame. Now we need to relive day 1.

What are your thoughts about the events of Day1?

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 06:59 PM, said:

Booooooo! No lynch is lame. Now we need to relive day 1.

What are your thoughts about the events of Day1?

Two lynch trains but no lynch? Either one may have had resistance, and I think we need to follow through on one of them today. I still think that Blend is the better case, and with Khell voting and removing it could have been distancing. Tapper was also noticeably absent.

Early on she is pointing out Tapper as her lynch choice. If Lady B is a symp BUT only knows HO is the killer and Blend was a killer BUT the Dude only knew him then this could fit perfectly. There would be your four scum team. Just thinking this through it makes a bit of sense that two symps may only know one boss each.

[Tattersail_]

Okay here we go. The Dude "reveals". It's the next set of posts that makes me think i'm on the right track.

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

The first one to answer this is Lady B

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

What do you mean? Why do you find him scummy?

Based upon his play in a previous game which I did not play, but watched from SH. I was skeptical of HO to say the least. He doesn't give much away, he tends not to make waves. It's hard to let someone like that skate. I thought he might be someone the thread would like information on. So to that affect I am recommending that you folks vote HO. I can't say much more than that. I'd also like to say that the random number generator must have a real hard on for him.

Are you saying what I think you are saying?

She then says that we should slow down. Or at least not rush into things.

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 08:35 PM, said:

I do not see that we have time for a lynch before freeze.

Now HO's activity spikes, this is the most he is active this game. Post after post keeps coming

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Well, I still don't like Blend;s behavior on day 1 and I see no reason to change. However, it is premature to rush because of the timer

He wants our attention to stay on Blend.

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 08:58 PM, said:

Why are you pushing, Sixty? We never get in that big of a rush at this point in the game. weekend is underway for most non-Americans

Also wants to take this slowly in case people pile on him.

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

I don't like it either, scum got a free night and we ended up having suspects still around unresolved. Now we will have to rebuild our momentum.

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 16 January 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

Sixty, on 16 January 2013 - 01:25 AM, said:

Yeah I agree.

I'm curious to see if this mystery mechanic is something game-wide or something built into some unique role.

From what Bubba said it sounded to me like it would be a game-wide thing rather than a unique role. Or maybe a role/ability that's passed around from day to day?

seems to have insider info here, I hate that

Tries to shift focus to Khell.

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

The way HO showed up but didn't participate in anything at the end of day 1 (albeit with the forum downtime), followed by his utterly contentless posts at the beginning of day 2, really is classic HO.


Based on day one events I still think Tatts is a stronger lynch choice than Blend.


@P-S: what was the address of hte backup forum? I'd lost it.

Blatant defence of HO

You sure he's not just saying that I suck? I have to disagree with any sentiment that views me in a derogatory fashion.

I was in the process of looking for why you became a lynch candidate yesterday

[Tattersail_]

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Hinter, on 16 January 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 15 January 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

I should say so! Hinter's been logging in as me all day long! But he made good in the end.

This, is quite weird. Is he suggesting he is two people?

Hopefully just noobiness, but it annoyed me.

Back in a couple, off to build a diddley bow.

may I ask why you are building a diddley bow?

So yeah, his activity is pretty high once The Dude says what he says.

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 07:21 PM, said:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

What do you mean? Why do you find him scummy?

Based upon his play in a previous game which I did not play, but watched from SH. I was skeptical of HO to say the least. He doesn't give much away, he tends not to make waves. It's hard to let someone like that skate. I thought he might be someone the thread would like information on. So to that affect I am recommending that you folks vote HO. I can't say much more than that. I'd also like to say that the random number generator must have a real hard on for him.

Are you saying what I think you are saying?

no comment

My problem with this is that you have either just made a target of yourself with your "reveal" on just Day 2, or you are trying to deflect against one of the two prominent lynch cases. Since HO is kind of out of nowhere, after your hard-on for Khell yesterday, I'm kind of inclined towards the latter. If we got CFs this game I'd suggest that we lynch you and depending on the results go after HO, Tatts or Blend next.

So Lady B defends HO, pointing at flawys in The Dude's reasoning. She has a problem with voting HO.

[Tattersail_]

Tapper, on 19 January 2013 - 02:43 PM, said:

Here, but only for five minutes. Life is hectic. Normally I I'd agree with letting the likely symp off the hook, as Blend suggests, and instead monitor his connections to find his masters.
This time, though, he'd just use it to muddy the waters more.

So,

vote The Dude

I just hope posting from my phone doesn't affect the format of the message too much.

Lady B is connecting Tapper to Blend and The Dude because he didn't vote. Just found Tapper did vote for The Dude.

Gnaw went after HO day one and died night one.

[Tattersail_]

Lady Bliss, on 20 January 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

I did another read through today and came across this post which stood out to me:

The Dude, on 16 January 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 16 January 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 16 January 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 16 January 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Bliss, it's not your voting for Blend that I necessarily disagree with. Right now, he's my second choice after Tats, but the way you identified me as a killer with Blend but then voted Blend rather than me which is interesting, as is the timing of your vote. You are, after all, the person I'm accusing of being a symp if I'm right about Tats, and so it's interesting that you agree with Tats' assumptions but then vote differently to him. That suggests to me that you want to help him but don't feel you can afford to vote the same way as him, so you go for his other target, and dress it up as your own 'case'.

Khell, the reason why I chose Blend over you is because he really seems to be milking this 'dirty' talk. Tapper also emphasized "dirty" in his response which seems significant.
The fact that I flirted with Tatts is just my being a shameless tart which we should all be aware of by now. I think he spazzed a bit too much, and does look scummy, but the Blend, Khell, Tapper case I made just seems stronger to me.

Oh yes, your case is super-strong.

Remove Vote
Vote Blend


I do like your 'oh yes, I think Tats is scummy, but actually I clearly have no intention of voting for him ever'

I'll only be around a couple more hours on and off, day timeout is in the wee small hours for me.

And this seals the deal

vote Khell


you have looked scummy to me all game and this vote stinks of trying to get a train going on someone to save your skin before they can turn on you.


I'd also be open to tattersail. But I am happy with this vote. Same feeling I got when I led the train on Ruse day one last game. I was right then as well. I am going with informed instincts here.

I don't really have a feel for Bliss. I don't think a lynch is as essential in a non CF game as we don't know either way if we are right or not. So unless I got a better feel for her I;m not sure if i'd go for a vote on her.

Not sure how I feel about a blend lynch. His interactions with Khell haven't stuck out at me. (And Khell's interactions with him are not the reason I am voting Khell).

Let me go back and look at Bliss and see if I can pick up what you guys are sensing.

Dude went after Khell when he put Blend at 4 votes, which may have been enough to get a train rolling. This is what I would expect from a symp, as well as the false reveal today since we never got a lynch day 1. The fact that he didn't get mod killed for violating game rules doesn't support a true reveal to me.
Any scum lynch is better than none, and I'd like to see us move forward.
Vote Dude

What is funny in the idea that two symps that know only one master each is that by protecting HO she actually lynched two of the other half of team scum.