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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:39 AM

View PostTattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

Is it just me or does the last two pages just seem really off? The Dude posts something very interesting, urging us to vote HO, some people question it and are into what he is suggesting. Yet Sixty completely ignores him and focus' elsewhere. Not only that but he seems to want to set up lynches in a row.


I thought the same thing as I am here catching up. I expected to be the focal point of conversation... good and bad. But people seem content to go on their merry way.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:43 AM

View PostLady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

View PostLady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:39 PM, said:

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View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.


What do you mean? Why do you find him scummy?


Based upon his play in a previous game which I did not play, but watched from SH. I was skeptical of HO to say the least. He doesn't give much away, he tends not to make waves. It's hard to let someone like that skate. I thought he might be someone the thread would like information on. So to that affect I am recommending that you folks vote HO. I can't say much more than that. I'd also like to say that the random number generator must have a real hard on for him.


Are you saying what I think you are saying?


no comment


My problem with this is that you have either just made a target of yourself with your "reveal" on just Day 2, or you are trying to deflect against one of the two prominent lynch cases. Since HO is kind of out of nowhere, after your hard-on for Khell yesterday, I'm kind of inclined towards the latter. If we got CFs this game I'd suggest that we lynch you and depending on the results go after HO, Tatts or Blend next.


heh, I think your logic is wrong... If this was a CF game, you would lynch HO first to test my reveal and depending on the results would then lynch me if I was lying. That way you dont chance losing your finder. ... but thats neither here nor there. I understand That I made a target of myself.. but i weighed the pros and cons and decided that if we could get out scum on day 2 we had to go for it. I know its a challenge with no CF, but I felt it was worth the risk.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:


View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.



I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*



Heyo- you hit the nail on the head, and it's why I was hesitant to go gung ho for HO or try to make a case and see where the chips fall. BUT, knowing what I know, i figured the thread would veer back towards day 1 and lead towards a blend/tatts lynch. Knowing that HO was willing to go for Blend makes me think he is inno ( or insanely good at distancing) so rather than lynch an inno and put off an accusation... I just decided to go for it. I knew people would be skeptical, but... it is what it is. If you guys decide to take out HO we'll be down to one killer depending on how many scum there are. ( I am assuming 3) In my opinion it was worth the risk even if I die.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:51 AM

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View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:


View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.



I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*


Bah! Completely missed this, even with Bliss picking up on it. Just had a mad couple of hours at work but have just had a quick review. My initial thoughts since the forum came back up was that the interaction between HO and Sixty was a little ripe smelling and certainly bears further investigation. Dude points the finger at HO but Sixty completely ignores the fact and is pushing for a lynch on Tatts or Blend, before everyone had re-entered the game. So if the Dude is a finder then HO and Sixty are certainly a team. If the Dude is scum then HO is CI. So all three require further scrutiny.


I think i am missing some interaction, Why do you have HO and sixty paired up?
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:53 AM

ok, i am out for the night.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:05 AM

View PostThe Dude, on 19 January 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

View PostHinter, on 19 January 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:


View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.



I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*


Bah! Completely missed this, even with Bliss picking up on it. Just had a mad couple of hours at work but have just had a quick review. My initial thoughts since the forum came back up was that the interaction between HO and Sixty was a little ripe smelling and certainly bears further investigation. Dude points the finger at HO but Sixty completely ignores the fact and is pushing for a lynch on Tatts or Blend, before everyone had re-entered the game. So if the Dude is a finder then HO and Sixty are certainly a team. If the Dude is scum then HO is CI. So all three require further scrutiny.


I think i am missing some interaction, Why do you have HO and sixty paired up?


Meh, checking back over the thread there wasn't much actually - I must be getting paranoid, but Sixty jumped to HOs defence failry sharpish.

However I notice that your hard on for HO only started on day 2 so am a little more inclined to believe you now. However could just be a bit of clever scum play.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

OK, lynch me for being annoying if you want, but I'm still trying to understand fundamentals. Numbers were just mentioned, so I'll ask this question that I was thinking of.

So we're starting with 9 Town and 3 Scum. (Where were we told that? Wish I could keep track of this shit!)

If there are lynchings for the first three days, we have a total of 6 dead; 3 lynched and 3 killed. Only 6 left, but no idea how many Town and how many Scum. Any chance there's only 1 Scum left? If so, we're jumping at shadows when we think X is trying to protect Y because they're both Scum.

OTOH, if there are no lynchings for the first three days, there will be nothing but three killings. So there's 9 left after three days. 3 scum , and 6 Town. And we *know* those are the numbers. The killers aren't killing other scum, after all, right? The odds of figuring anything out are better when there are 6 and 3 than they were in the beginning, when there were 9 and 3. Because I) wrong guesses will be more likely to hit Scum; II) the Scum don't have as many to hide among. The information (how many of each) is a sure thing. That has to be the stronger position, doesn't it? Also, we're not wasting three days arguing about people who, it turns out, were clearly not Scum, getting wrong impressions of each other because some genuinely thought those people were Scum.

So why doesn't it make sense to let the Scum kill a few Town? If Town wins, regardless of how many are still alive, then a few sacrifices is a small price to pay for surer victory.

And I guess this is like asking why we shouldn't vote Night, which is another reason to lynch me. Two reasons in one post. Probably not a record, but I'm proud anyway!

I suppose Marilyn vos Savant would tell me my thinking of the odds is wrong, like the doors on The Price is Right.

And I guess no lynchings for a few days would mean a pretty quiet, boring few days.

But boredom and making myself look like Scum for suggesting the idea aside - thinking only in terms of math and odds - what's wrong with this approach to the game?
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:09 AM

View PostThe Dude, on 19 January 2013 - 01:49 AM, said:

View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:


View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.



I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*



Heyo- you hit the nail on the head, and it's why I was hesitant to go gung ho for HO or try to make a case and see where the chips fall. BUT, knowing what I know, i figured the thread would veer back towards day 1 and lead towards a blend/tatts lynch. Knowing that HO was willing to go for Blend makes me think he is inno ( or insanely good at distancing) so rather than lynch an inno and put off an accusation... I just decided to go for it. I knew people would be skeptical, but... it is what it is. If you guys decide to take out HO we'll be down to one killer depending on how many scum there are. ( I am assuming 3) In my opinion it was worth the risk even if I die.


You're welcome. :(

As I said, the only real trouble we are going to have is that this cannot work like a regular early-/mid-game Finder reveal (lynch the accused scum, then go from the CF), as we essentially have to treat it like an end-game Finder reveal (i.e. choosing to believe you or not is a near-permanent decision and could win or lose us the game). To my mind, if we agree with you we are practically CI'ing you. Because the death of HO will not give us any info to verify or deny your claim.

In short, you've put us in a fucking nasty position. >.< If you're a Finder for real, it's not your fault - you HAD to do something and if you'd found scum it was a logical play and would often be an unquestionable one. The trouble is that the potential for disaster here is considerable. Unless we COMMIT to lynching you (regardless of if you're really our Finder or not, as we won't be able to tell) tomorrow - on the basis that scum do the smart thing and don't kill you tonight if we lynch HO - we are risking fucking ourselves over on day two.
And I think everyone here knows what a thread agreement on future action is worth the next day; sweet fuckall.

Which places us in something of a bind. We can't really in good conscience lynch you today at the potential expense of our Finder. Nor can we rationally play this game in such a way that places us in your hands (preparing for the massive can of WIFOM that will be opened tomorrow and haunt us for the rest of the game) with essentially "no questions asked" on day two, and lynch HO on your word (the possibilities around you lying to us far outweigh the likelihood you're telling the truth). Because that's nigh suicidal. However to just put this aside? Doesn't feel right...




I suppose it's Q+A time. What made you suspicious of HO? (Note how I'm asking that in a way that won't force you into making this a "real" reveal) He was a replacement player, did you have much to go on in your suspicions of him? How do you see this playing out? What's your strategy for day three? I see we agree on the expected numbers of scum; don't you think you could have played a more subtle angle for a day or so, given the lack of CF verification?




Anyway, my thoughts at the moment are thus: we're at an impasse. Our choices are lynch the Claimant, lynch the Accused, or lynch an Alternative. To be frank, I'm worried about touching the mess from this reveal with anything less than a ten-foot pole. But I doubt that leaving it alone would be a sensible choice either (WIFOM ensues, it seems, no matter our move). Dammit. You had to go and reveal in a no-reveals game, didn't ya? XD
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:17 AM

View PostBonecaster, on 19 January 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

OK, lynch me for being annoying if you want, but I'm still trying to understand fundamentals. Numbers were just mentioned, so I'll ask this question that I was thinking of.

So we're starting with 9 Town and 3 Scum. (Where were we told that? Wish I could keep track of this shit!)

If there are lynchings for the first three days, we have a total of 6 dead; 3 lynched and 3 killed. Only 6 left, but no idea how many Town and how many Scum. Any chance there's only 1 Scum left? If so, we're jumping at shadows when we think X is trying to protect Y because they're both Scum.

OTOH, if there are no lynchings for the first three days, there will be nothing but three killings. So there's 9 left after three days. 3 scum , and 6 Town. And we *know* those are the numbers. The killers aren't killing other scum, after all, right? The odds of figuring anything out are better when there are 6 and 3 than they were in the beginning, when there were 9 and 3. Because I) wrong guesses will be more likely to hit Scum; II) the Scum don't have as many to hide among. The information (how many of each) is a sure thing. That has to be the stronger position, doesn't it? Also, we're not wasting three days arguing about people who, it turns out, were clearly not Scum, getting wrong impressions of each other because some genuinely thought those people were Scum.

So why doesn't it make sense to let the Scum kill a few Town? If Town wins, regardless of how many are still alive, then a few sacrifices is a small price to pay for surer victory.

And I guess this is like asking why we shouldn't vote Night, which is another reason to lynch me. Two reasons in one post. Probably not a record, but I'm proud anyway!

I suppose Marilyn vos Savant would tell me my thinking of the odds is wrong, like the doors on The Price is Right.

And I guess no lynchings for a few days would mean a pretty quiet, boring few days.

But boredom and making myself look like Scum for suggesting the idea aside - thinking only in terms of math and odds - what's wrong with this approach to the game?


Oh lord. You really need to stop thinking like this. The odds that you are scum are going through the roof on my Scumdar. :p

To break it down for you:

View PostBonecaster, on 19 January 2013 - 02:08 AM, said:

OK, lynch me for being annoying if you want, but I'm still trying to understand fundamentals. Numbers were just mentioned, so I'll ask this question that I was thinking of.

So we're starting with 9 Town and 3 Scum. (Where were we told that? Wish I could keep track of this shit!)


We weren't. It's a guess based on the likely setup (12 players generally equals three scum)

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If there are lynchings for the first three days, we have a total of 6 dead; 3 lynched and 3 killed. Only 6 left, but no idea how many Town and how many Scum. Any chance there's only 1 Scum left? If so, we're jumping at shadows when we think X is trying to protect Y because they're both Scum.


This is a quirk of no CF games. It's going to make the final day or two VERY neurotic. But that's kinda the point. I'm thinking Bubba might give us a scum count at some point - but that's just a guess.

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OTOH, if there are no lynchings for the first three days, there will be nothing but three killings. So there's 9 left after three days. 3 scum , and 6 Town. And we *know* those are the numbers. The killers aren't killing other scum, after all, right? The odds of figuring anything out are better when there are 6 and 3 than they were in the beginning, when there were 9 and 3. Because I) wrong guesses will be more likely to hit Scum; II) the Scum don't have as many to hide among. The information (how many of each) is a sure thing. That has to be the stronger position, doesn't it? Also, we're not wasting three days arguing about people who, it turns out, were clearly not Scum, getting wrong impressions of each other because some genuinely thought those people were Scum.


No. This is where your thinking is going wrong. Generally there are not three KILLERS, there would be two Killers and one "Symp". Now, the Symp will know the Killers, but they will not know him. I.e. they might accidentally NK him and thus reduce their own numbers. Plus what you're talking about is putting us voluntarily closer to D-Day without any thread interaction or viable leads. It would be like starting a game with 9 players and three scum - that's insane!

It's a fundamental of mafia that those "wrong impressions" are what help us work out the right impressions. Watching how everyone interacts tells you things - even if those are wrong things. :(

And again, we're only ASSUMING the number of scum.

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So why doesn't it make sense to let the Scum kill a few Town? If Town wins, regardless of how many are still alive, then a few sacrifices is a small price to pay for surer victory.

And I guess this is like asking why we shouldn't vote Night, which is another reason to lynch me. Two reasons in one post. Probably not a record, but I'm proud anyway!

I suppose Marilyn vos Savant would tell me my thinking of the odds is wrong, like the doors on The Price is Right.

And I guess no lynchings for a few days would mean a pretty quiet, boring few days.

But boredom and making myself look like Scum for suggesting the idea aside - thinking only in terms of math and odds - what's wrong with this approach to the game?


So yeah, it's a bit like your impression of the odds are off - it's a little bit different to how you expect. And besides, you're essentially saying that we might as well make it so that three people don't get to actually play the game. Which is jut sad. :p
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:28 AM

Ah. OK, two things I didn't know about: We don't KNOW there are 3 Scum; the Scum might kill other Scum. Big honkin' glitches in my theory.

Carry on, people! :(

But yeah, I was only talking from an odds perspective. I know it would make it so that three people don't get to actually play the game. Not cool. Plus the aforementioned boring first few days. Heh.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 02:49 AM

View PostThe Dude, on 19 January 2013 - 01:51 AM, said:

View PostHinter, on 19 January 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:


View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.



I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*


Bah! Completely missed this, even with Bliss picking up on it. Just had a mad couple of hours at work but have just had a quick review. My initial thoughts since the forum came back up was that the interaction between HO and Sixty was a little ripe smelling and certainly bears further investigation. Dude points the finger at HO but Sixty completely ignores the fact and is pushing for a lynch on Tatts or Blend, before everyone had re-entered the game. So if the Dude is a finder then HO and Sixty are certainly a team. If the Dude is scum then HO is CI. So all three require further scrutiny.


I think i am missing some interaction, Why do you have HO and sixty paired up?

Hinter assumed that I had ignored your push for HO when, in all honesty, I initially wrote it off as a vote for HO just because he's HO, not with any additional reasoning behind it.

Obviously I was incorrect in that assumption.



However, all the WIFOM your reveal creates puts us in a pretty shitty situation, as Silencer has outlined for us. Unfortunately I'd almost like to just ignore it outright, but that clearly isn't all that viable of an option.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:13 AM

I hate to say this, but people are flirting with the rules. ANY REAL REVEAL WILL BE MEET WITH AN INSTANT MOD KILL. Posted Image

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:18 AM

View PostBubba, on 19 January 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

I hate to say this, but people are flirting with the rules. ANY REAL REVEAL WILL BE MEET WITH AN INSTANT MOD KILL. Posted Image

Ahhh. Finally.


This is the thing that's been causing me to itch for the past couple of hours, I think. The Dude basically revealed Finder, right? Well, this is a no-reveals game. He was so blatant about it. Now, the thing that's been bugging me is: what classes as a reveal? And if he can stretch that definition, by not actually being a Finder and just being very blatant in his allusions, is that not the best situation for a symp to be in? Whereas if he was a real Finder, would he risk the modkill/nonstandard game over?

To me, this is pretty much the most crucial piece of info we have right now - and I am finding myself leaning a lot more towards "lynch the Claimant" because of it.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:23 AM

View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

View PostBubba, on 19 January 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

I hate to say this, but people are flirting with the rules. ANY REAL REVEAL WILL BE MEET WITH AN INSTANT MOD KILL. Posted Image

Ahhh. Finally.


This is the thing that's been causing me to itch for the past couple of hours, I think. The Dude basically revealed Finder, right? Well, this is a no-reveals game. He was so blatant about it. Now, the thing that's been bugging me is: what classes as a reveal? And if he can stretch that definition, by not actually being a Finder and just being very blatant in his allusions, is that not the best situation for a symp to be in? Whereas if he was a real Finder, would he risk the modkill/nonstandard game over?

To me, this is pretty much the most crucial piece of info we have right now - and I am finding myself leaning a lot more towards "lynch the Claimant" because of it.


When I seen it, I had to nip it in the bud. Sorry Dude, the rules are VERY clear. You will have to work old school for a lynch.

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:25 AM

View PostThe Dude, on 19 January 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

View PostLady Bliss, on 18 January 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

View PostThe Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

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vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.


What do you mean? Why do you find him scummy?


Based upon his play in a previous game which I did not play, but watched from SH. I was skeptical of HO to say the least. He doesn't give much away, he tends not to make waves. It's hard to let someone like that skate. I thought he might be someone the thread would like information on. So to that affect I am recommending that you folks vote HO. I can't say much more than that. I'd also like to say that the random number generator must have a real hard on for him.


Are you saying what I think you are saying?


no comment


My problem with this is that you have either just made a target of yourself with your "reveal" on just Day 2, or you are trying to deflect against one of the two prominent lynch cases. Since HO is kind of out of nowhere, after your hard-on for Khell yesterday, I'm kind of inclined towards the latter. If we got CFs this game I'd suggest that we lynch you and depending on the results go after HO, Tatts or Blend next.


heh, I think your logic is wrong... If this was a CF game, you would lynch HO first to test my reveal and depending on the results would then lynch me if I was lying. That way you dont chance losing your finder. ... but thats neither here nor there. I understand That I made a target of myself.. but i weighed the pros and cons and decided that if we could get out scum on day 2 we had to go for it. I know its a challenge with no CF, but I felt it was worth the risk.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:32 AM

View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

View PostBubba, on 19 January 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

I hate to say this, but people are flirting with the rules. ANY REAL REVEAL WILL BE MEET WITH AN INSTANT MOD KILL. Posted Image

Ahhh. Finally.


This is the thing that's been causing me to itch for the past couple of hours, I think. The Dude basically revealed Finder, right? Well, this is a no-reveals game. He was so blatant about it. Now, the thing that's been bugging me is: what classes as a reveal? And if he can stretch that definition, by not actually being a Finder and just being very blatant in his allusions, is that not the best situation for a symp to be in? Whereas if he was a real Finder, would he risk the modkill/nonstandard game over?

To me, this is pretty much the most crucial piece of info we have right now - and I am finding myself leaning a lot more towards "lynch the Claimant" because of it.


So basically if he was a real finder he would have been modkilled by now?

Which means he ain't a real finder and therefore must be scum.

Can I change my vote if the game is frozen?
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:45 AM

View PostHinter, on 19 January 2013 - 03:32 AM, said:

View PostSilencer, on 19 January 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

View PostBubba, on 19 January 2013 - 03:13 AM, said:

I hate to say this, but people are flirting with the rules. ANY REAL REVEAL WILL BE MEET WITH AN INSTANT MOD KILL. Posted Image

Ahhh. Finally.


This is the thing that's been causing me to itch for the past couple of hours, I think. The Dude basically revealed Finder, right? Well, this is a no-reveals game. He was so blatant about it. Now, the thing that's been bugging me is: what classes as a reveal? And if he can stretch that definition, by not actually being a Finder and just being very blatant in his allusions, is that not the best situation for a symp to be in? Whereas if he was a real Finder, would he risk the modkill/nonstandard game over?

To me, this is pretty much the most crucial piece of info we have right now - and I am finding myself leaning a lot more towards "lynch the Claimant" because of it.


So basically if he was a real finder he would have been modkilled by now?

Which means he ain't a real finder and therefore must be scum.

Can I change my vote if the game is frozen?


That is basically what I'm getting at - or at least, if he was a real Finder, he wouldn't have taken the chance that pushing that close to a reveal would get him modkilled, therefore he is a scum for whom the possibility of a modkill was not that big of a deal. Thus he's scum.


View PostBubba, on 18 January 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Game is frozen. Thread is unlocked and votes count. No resolution until thread opens at 10:00am EST on monday.


And yes, it would seem you can change your vote.


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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:48 AM

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Posted 19 January 2013 - 03:54 AM

Not really relevant over a weekend break, but I'm off to work. Back in seven hours or so. :(
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 04:30 AM

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