[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 33 hours and 8 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Blend, Bonecaster, Dude, Hiddenone, Hinter, Khell, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Sixty, Tapper, Tattersail

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Blend ( Hinter )
1 Vote for Hiddenone ( Dude )
1 Vote for Tattersail ( Sixty )

Players not voted: Blend, Bonecaster, Hiddenone, Khell, Lady Bliss, Silencer, Tapper, Tattersail


This game is fozen in 27 minutes. I am off to catch my train. One of the others will freeze.

[HiddenOne]

Hinter, on 16 January 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 15 January 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

I should say so! Hinter's been logging in as me all day long! But he made good in the end.

This, is quite weird. Is he suggesting he is two people?

Hopefully just noobiness, but it annoyed me.

Back in a couple, off to build a diddley bow.

may I ask why you are building a diddley bow?

[Bonecaster]

Good question! I had to look it up. Looks pretty cool. Probably not too tough to play.

[Sixty]

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Well I'll leave my vote where it was at the end of day one. I think that we are best off lynching Tatts for reasons outlined at the end of day one, but I'd settle for lynching Blend as well. The fact we couldn't lynch either of them (and frankly I was a bit worried we were gonna no-lynch even without the board going down) is rather telling IMO.

Vote Tattersail

If not me then Blend.

Based on the end of day one I'd say you and blend are the prime candidates, no?

[Lady Bliss]

The Dude said:

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Lady Bliss said:

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The Dude said:

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Tattersail said:

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The Dude said:

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vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

What do you mean? Why do you find him scummy?

Based upon his play in a previous game which I did not play, but watched from SH. I was skeptical of HO to say the least. He doesn't give much away, he tends not to make waves. It's hard to let someone like that skate. I thought he might be someone the thread would like information on. So to that affect I am recommending that you folks vote HO. I can't say much more than that. I'd also like to say that the random number generator must have a real hard on for him.

Are you saying what I think you are saying?

no comment

My problem with this is that you have either just made a target of yourself with your "reveal" on just Day 2, or you are trying to deflect against one of the two prominent lynch cases. Since HO is kind of out of nowhere, after your hard-on for Khell yesterday, I'm kind of inclined towards the latter. If we got CFs this game I'd suggest that we lynch you and depending on the results go after HO, Tatts or Blend next.

[bubba]

Game is frozen. Thread is unlocked and votes count. No resolution until thread opens at 10:00am EST on monday.

[Tattersail_]

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Well I'll leave my vote where it was at the end of day one. I think that we are best off lynching Tatts for reasons outlined at the end of day one, but I'd settle for lynching Blend as well. The fact we couldn't lynch either of them (and frankly I was a bit worried we were gonna no-lynch even without the board going down) is rather telling IMO.

Vote Tattersail

If not me then Blend.

Based on the end of day one I'd say you and blend are the prime candidates, no?

I'm more interested in you trying to speed a lynch when people aren't around and HO is being fingered. Prime candidates you say why? Go back and build a case rather than taking the embassy option so that people may vote along. Its easy to say its got to be one of those two because they were up yesterday.

Khell had gone very quiet boy I suppose that's because the limelight is elsewhere.

[Tattersail_]

vote Tapper

Id like to hear more from him and until I do my vote stays.

We weren't a good team day one we have scum an easy rise let's not let this happen again.

I'm looking at a number of people today

[HiddenOne]

Tatts train : Blend votes, claims T is deflecting; Khell votes, for being symped; Blend removes vote; Sixty votes, says overreaction;
Blend revotes, earlier suspicion; Khell moves vote back, calling bluff; The Dude votes, claims most resistance


Blend train Tatts votes, for not arguing Khell; Tatts removed, moves it to Khell; Hinter votes, symping & scumdar; Bliss votes, claims B & K are partners;
Gnaw votes, claims distance & deflection; Khell votes, not sure why; HO votes, jumpiness & reactions; Silencer votes, doesn't like manipulation


I gathered this up, wasting much time to do so, for easy viewing. It was a huge pain to transpose resulting in 14 edits.

This post has been edited by HiddenOne: 18 January 2013 - 11:02 PM

[HiddenOne]

@ LB - Mind saying why you want to throw me in with Tatts & Blend? Don't call Sixty down and then do the same thing


@ Tatts: what is the embassy option? pressure his behind good for the speed lynch, I almost felt the need to join, either I'm having a sheep day or he's slick


also, that line about fingering a HO when nobody is around just reads wrong, plain wrong

[Lady Bliss]

HiddenOne said:

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@ LB - Mind saying why you want to throw me in with Tatts & Blend? Don't call Sixty down and then do the same thing


@ Tatts: what is the embassy option? pressure his behind good for the speed lynch, I almost felt the need to join, either I'm having a sheep day or he's slick


also, that line about fingering a HO when nobody is around just reads wrong, plain wrong

Read Dude's post.

[Tattersail_]

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 11:06 PM, said:

@ LB - Mind saying why you want to throw me in with Tatts & Blend? Don't call Sixty down and then do the same thing


@ Tatts: what is the embassy option? pressure his behind good for the speed lynch, I almost felt the need to join, either I'm having a sheep day or he's slick


also, that line about fingering a HO when nobody is around just reads wrong, plain wrong

On phone that was meant to read easiest option

[Bonecaster]

OH!! LOL! I thought I had to go do a search through the rules for "embassy" so I'd know what you meant.

[Silencer]

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*

[Hinter]

Silencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*

Bah! Completely missed this, even with Bliss picking up on it. Just had a mad couple of hours at work but have just had a quick review. My initial thoughts since the forum came back up was that the interaction between HO and Sixty was a little ripe smelling and certainly bears further investigation. Dude points the finger at HO but Sixty completely ignores the fact and is pushing for a lynch on Tatts or Blend, before everyone had re-entered the game. So if the Dude is a finder then HO and Sixty are certainly a team. If the Dude is scum then HO is CI. So all three require further scrutiny.

[Hinter]

HiddenOne, on 18 January 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

Hinter, on 16 January 2013 - 09:35 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 16 January 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Bonecaster, on 15 January 2013 - 09:57 PM, said:

I should say so! Hinter's been logging in as me all day long! But he made good in the end.

This, is quite weird. Is he suggesting he is two people?

Hopefully just noobiness, but it annoyed me.

Back in a couple, off to build a diddley bow.

may I ask why you are building a diddley bow?

For fun! Not to hard to play and sounds brilliant through an amp!

[Sixty]

Hinter, on 19 January 2013 - 12:45 AM, said:

Silencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*

Bah! Completely missed this, even with Bliss picking up on it. Just had a mad couple of hours at work but have just had a quick review. My initial thoughts since the forum came back up was that the interaction between HO and Sixty was a little ripe smelling and certainly bears further investigation. Dude points the finger at HO but Sixty completely ignores the fact and is pushing for a lynch on Tatts or Blend, before everyone had re-entered the game. So if the Dude is a finder then HO and Sixty are certainly a team. If the Dude is scum then HO is CI. So all three require further scrutiny.

I certainly didn't ignore that, read the part where I comment that HO's behavior prior to the Dude's vote was classic HO--i.e., classic HO that pisses people off since he's Fener-esque in ending up scum. I saw why he would lay down that vote, but I thought that finishing what we started day one was more important.

[Sixty]

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Well I'll leave my vote where it was at the end of day one. I think that we are best off lynching Tatts for reasons outlined at the end of day one, but I'd settle for lynching Blend as well. The fact we couldn't lynch either of them (and frankly I was a bit worried we were gonna no-lynch even without the board going down) is rather telling IMO.

Vote Tattersail

If not me then Blend.

Based on the end of day one I'd say you and blend are the prime candidates, no?

I'm more interested in you trying to speed a lynch when people aren't around and HO is being fingered. Prime candidates you say why? Go back and build a case rather than taking the embassy option so that people may vote along. Its easy to say its got to be one of those two because they were up yesterday.

Khell had gone very quiet boy I suppose that's because the limelight is elsewhere.

Both of you had decent-sized trains on you at some point. Blend was full emo-I'm-about-to-be-lynched mode. Yet we couldn't pull a lynch on either of you? Being that it was day one you'd expect people to be happy to swap to secure the lynch, but there were people online before the downtime who didn't get their votes in. Of course it's possible, perhaps even likely that those people would've laid down votes if not for the downtime, but that's something we can't know for sure at this stage. I consider that failure to lynch something that makes both of you suspicious, and between the two of you I find you more suspicious based on your initial reaction to those 2 first votes.

[Sixty]

Silencer, on 19 January 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

OK, so not only did everyone go and not gets us a lynch despite me laying out in plain English the reasons why we should not let that happen (and, oh, LOOK WHAT IS FUCKING HAPPENING, we're stuck on Blend and Tatts AGAIN today because we didn't LYNCH yesterday), we now have a delightful reveal by the Dude:

The Dude, on 18 January 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

vote Hidden One


After his last go round HO needed some serious scrutiny.

my vote will not change. I highly suggest people follow me on this vote. Thats all I can really say.

I don't care what you call it, this is the most blatant claim of Finder you could possibly make in a "No Reveals" game.

We need to talk about this. Because we have absolutely no way to test reveals this game. Even soft reveals like this - it essentially amounts to taking one player at his or her word. Now, if I were scum this game, and wanted a nice method to PI/VPI/CI myself (assuming I'm not thinking too far ahead to the likelihood of it being an unprovable reveal), I would certainly try and claim Finder early on. Wouldn't you?

Of course, there is always the possibility that he's a Finder and actually caught scum night one. A nice catch - and as a Finder rule #1 of Finding is to reveal as soon as you've got a scum confirmed. So his soft reveal also makes sense in that context.

There is also the possibility that he's a symp trying to muddy the waters - now that's actually not a bad idea AT ALL. I'd certainly consider it in a no-CF game if I were a symp.

And he could be (now this one is unlikely, I don't think the Dude runs like this) a regular RI who is just trying to get everyone to follow him on gut - and decides to soft-reveal a Finder to get people to go along with him (and draw any NKs from the real/other scum onto himself).


Those are our options as I see them. And they all suck balls. That being said, on the weight of probabilities he's lying or doing something stupid. Which are both excellent grounds for lynching the fuck out him. But again, no CF to confirm either way. *sigh*

That bit actually kinda flew over my head. That's a bit of a quandary, seeing as how we can't test that reveal. If he's the finder and we lynch HO we have no way of verifying if he's scum. Of course, if we decide to lynch him then we could be killing our finder...

[Silencer]

Sixty, on 19 January 2013 - 12:53 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 10:47 PM, said:

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 18 January 2013 - 09:22 PM, said:

Sixty, on 18 January 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

Well I'll leave my vote where it was at the end of day one. I think that we are best off lynching Tatts for reasons outlined at the end of day one, but I'd settle for lynching Blend as well. The fact we couldn't lynch either of them (and frankly I was a bit worried we were gonna no-lynch even without the board going down) is rather telling IMO.

Vote Tattersail

If not me then Blend.

Based on the end of day one I'd say you and blend are the prime candidates, no?

I'm more interested in you trying to speed a lynch when people aren't around and HO is being fingered. Prime candidates you say why? Go back and build a case rather than taking the embassy option so that people may vote along. Its easy to say its got to be one of those two because they were up yesterday.

Khell had gone very quiet boy I suppose that's because the limelight is elsewhere.

Both of you had decent-sized trains on you at some point. Blend was full emo-I'm-about-to-be-lynched mode. Yet we couldn't pull a lynch on either of you? Being that it was day one you'd expect people to be happy to swap to secure the lynch, but there were people online before the downtime who didn't get their votes in. Of course it's possible, perhaps even likely that those people would've laid down votes if not for the downtime, but that's something we can't know for sure at this stage. I consider that failure to lynch something that makes both of you suspicious, and between the two of you I find you more suspicious based on your initial reaction to those 2 first votes.

And this, right here, is why we must ALWAYS lynch. Ugh.

What are we thinking for WCS? Three scum? So going with that setup and assuming no scum deaths but a lynch and NK each day: 11, 9, 7, scum victory? We've got a couple of spare days but we can easily waste two of them on Tatts and Blend (remember: NO CF) and we've already spent one day dicking around with day one cases. Do you really think it's worth focusing on them again today (and possibly tomorrow as well)?

We've got a clock freeze and thirty-six hour days, as well...