[Khellendros]

twelve, on 19 April 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 19 April 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

*scribbles furiously* "Pacifism in Eclipse doesn't work".

Not necessarialy. You had way too many ways into your territory. You had the lead going into the last round. If you had a choke point that you were willing to sacrifice that could have pinned all my ships entering your territory you probably would have won. Just continue to take notes and learn from this experience and I'm sure you will be a worthy advasary in the future.

My idea was to make everyone else my chokepoint. I was hoping to be able to block off my territories through alliances with my neighbours - but alas my allies and erstwhile allies proved deficient when it came to stopping you. It's clearly all their fault

[Khellendros]

D, on 19 April 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 April 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Can't wait for the final point tally!!!!

Especially since D'rek is leaving me high and dry all weekend on if I'm dead or not in mafia.

Well, if you do live you just got modkilled for blatantly breaking the rules right there...

?

How?

Rules B2 and B3, from every ME Mafia game ever. Blatantly.

Dock him 50VPs as punishment!

[D'rek]

Current statuses:


Terrans:

Money = 0 +28 -25 (1 influence disc available)
Science = 0 +10
Materials = 12 +15

Colony Ships available: 3

Hexes owned:
001 - Galactic Center
108 - Mu Cassiopeiae
211 - Beta Aquilae
225 - Eta Cassiopeiae
304 - Theta Pegasi
234 - Eta Geminorum
235 - Mu Arae

Hexes that can be influenced:
318 - Gamma Velorum
307 - Sigma Sagitarii
238 - Beta Lyrae
206 - Epsilon Indi
204 - Vega*
209 - Delta Eridani


Mechanema:

Money = 0 +28 -21 (2 influence disc available)
Science = 9 +10
Materials = 1 +10

Colony Ships available: 3

Hexes owned:
321 - Beta Delphini
381 - Beta Sextantis
308 - Kappa Scorpii
317 - Beta Crucis
230 - Lambda Aurigae
103 - Beta Leonis

Hexes that can be influenced:
204 - Vega*
106 - Capella


Orion:

Money = 4 +10 -13 (4 influence disc available)
Science = 0 +4
Materials = 0 +8

Colony Ships available: 3

Hexes owned:
203 - Chi Draconis
205 - Mu Herculis
232 - Rigel
302 - Gamma Serpentis
313 - Alphae Ursae Minoris

Hexes that can be influenced:
310 - Nu Phoenicis


Lyra:

Money = 0 +21 -7 (6 influence disc available)
Science = 8 +18
Materials = 0 +15

Colony Ships available: 0

Hexes owned:
311 - Canopus
301 - Zeta Draconis
314 - Spica
201 - Alpha Centauri

Hexes that can be influenced:


Magellans:

Money = 1 +8 -7 (6 influence disc available)
Science = 2 +2
Materials = 0 +4

Colony Ships available: 1

Hexes owned:
101 - Castor
107 - Aldebaran

Hexes that can be influenced:
105 - Zeta Herculis


Exiles:

Money = 2 +21 -25 (1 influence disc available)
Science = 3 +6
Materials = 0 +2

Colony Ships available: 3

Hexes owned:
305 - Lambda Serpentis
324 - Epsilon Carinae
281 - Delta Corvi
320 - Nu Ophiuci
303 - Eta Cephei

Hexes that can be influenced:
224 - Beta Hydri

This post has been edited by D'rek: 20 April 2013 - 03:27 AM

[D'rek]

So, everyone needs to decide what, if any, hexes they want to influence, and then use population cubes if they want, Khell can build a shrine, and then do their final upkeep!!!

[twelve]

D, on 19 April 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2013 - 09:01 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 April 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

twelve, on 19 April 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Can't wait for the final point tally!!!!

Especially since D'rek is leaving me high and dry all weekend on if I'm dead or not in mafia.

Well, if you do live you just got modkilled for blatantly breaking the rules right there...

?

How?

Rules B2 and B3, from every ME Mafia game ever. Blatantly.

I had to go look them up.

I of course disagree with breaking the rules especially the Blatantly part. I think my off the cuff comment falls into the grey area. First of all there was no discussion. And second there wasn't any information shared. All very ambiguous.

See no rules broken.

But if you stand by the modkilled feel free to just PM me the spoiler password.

As for what I plan on doing for the upkeep in this game. I believe I left a provisional on what to influence and settle. But I'll repeat for ease of reference.

Influence and settle Gamma Velorum.

Colonize the Shellworld with a science cube and grey planet with a material cube.
On Eta Geminorum settle the orbital with a science cube.

Current Upkeep

Money=0+28-30=-2
Convert 4 material to 2 money
Money=0+28-30+2=0
Science=0+15=15
Material=12-4+18=26

Great game every.

Thanks again D'rek for all the hard work modding this and the beast that is mafia.

[Khellendros]

Sigh, do I have to do upkeep? It's like adding insult to injury.

Can we just say I built a shrine somewhere, add those VPs, take off the bajillion VPs I lost with the hexes I lost, etc?

This post has been edited by Khellendros: 19 April 2013 - 11:54 PM

[Khellendros]

Build a monumental Science Shrine in Zeta Draconis for 6 Science.


THE GREAT WORK IS COMPLETE. THE MISSION OF THE LYRA IN THIS STAR SYSTEM IS AT AN END. WE NOW LEAVE YOU TO YOUR LOWLY GAMES OF INTERGALACTIC POLITICS AND POSTURING. THE SYSTEMS LOST TO WAR ARE AS NOTHING TO US - WHY DO YOU THINK OUR DEFENCE WAS SO NEGLIGBLE? WE CAME WITH BUT ONE PURPOSE, AND NOTHING YOU DID COULD HAVE STOPPED US. LET THE ENLIGHTENMENT BEGIN!


Money:

Current Amount: 0
Income: 10 (I think)
Upkeep: 7
New Amount: 3


Science:

Current Amount: 2
Income: 10 (I think)
New Amount: 12


Materials:

Current Amount: 0
Income: 4 (I think)
New Amount: 4


The cubes which were on grey planets I can return to whatever track, right? I just put some of them on the science and some on the materials tracks.

[Imperial Historian]

Influence zeta herculis and colonise the money planet, that leaves me on one money.

I won't bother with science and materials as if it comes to a draw twelve clearly wins the tie breaker!

[Imperial Historian]

Path-Shaper, on 19 April 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

Also, I really should have put a cube down in Capella. CF wouldn't have been able to remove my disc with just missiles and no neutron bombs...

Easy mistake to make there, I completely lost track of where everyone was and what their ships were by the end of things! Shame you lost the map

[cerveza_fiesta]

I don't really know what to do here...sorry for holding up things so close to the end.

I lost both B. Hydrii and Herculis. That puts 2 econ, 1 science and 2 material cubes in my graveyard, but I don't have to worry about those for bankruptcy until after upkeep right? They would be put on my cube tracks in a hypothetical 10th round?

So that means after starting at -30 econ (after using all my actions last turn) I'm now at -21 economy with the recovered discs from my system losses? This is actually my first loss of a system this game, just wondering what order that fits into the end of round play.

If those assumptions above are true, probably best to influence Capella, no? Use colony ships to offset the Mat and Science losses (in case of a tie) and then do upkeep as normal?

[twelve]

CF you can settle both vega and capella if you want. there are enough population slots so you can max your money generation if you have enough resources to convert to cover your upkeep if you want. it will give the most points. thats what i would do.

[D'rek]

Khellendros, on 20 April 2013 - 12:08 AM, said:

Build a monumental Science Shrine in Zeta Draconis for 6 Science.


THE GREAT WORK IS COMPLETE. THE MISSION OF THE LYRA IN THIS STAR SYSTEM IS AT AN END. WE NOW LEAVE YOU TO YOUR LOWLY GAMES OF INTERGALACTIC POLITICS AND POSTURING. THE SYSTEMS LOST TO WAR ARE AS NOTHING TO US - WHY DO YOU THINK OUR DEFENCE WAS SO NEGLIGBLE? WE CAME WITH BUT ONE PURPOSE, AND NOTHING YOU DID COULD HAVE STOPPED US. LET THE ENLIGHTENMENT BEGIN!


Money:

Current Amount: 0
Income: 10 (I think)
Upkeep: 7
New Amount: 3


Science:

Current Amount: 2
Income: 10 (I think)
New Amount: 12


Materials:

Current Amount: 0
Income: 4 (I think)
New Amount: 4


The cubes which were on grey planets I can return to whatever track, right? I just put some of them on the science and some on the materials tracks.

Actually, your incomes were +21 / +18 / +15. The cubes that were destroyed went to graveyards, not the population tracks.

So you end up with
0 +21 -7
2 +18
0 +15

giving you 53 resources at the end.

[D'rek]

I assume Tatts/EM will do the optimal move - Influencing Nu Phoenicis and then removing from Alpha Ursae Minoris. Gets them the same amount of points, but slightly more resources.

Money = 4 +10 -17 (3 influence disc available)
Science = 0 +6
Materials = 0 +10

remove from Alphae Ursae Minoris

Money = 4 +10 -13 (3 influence disc available)
Science = 0 +4
Materials = 0 +10

End with:

Money: 1
Science: 4
Materials: 10

[D'rek]

I influence Beta Hydri, colonizing the orbital with money, a money planet and a science planet.


Money = 2 +28 -30
Science = 3 +8
Materials = 0 +2

end with


Money = 0
Science = 11
Materials = 2

[D'rek]

As twelve says, CF gets the most points by influencing both hexes and converting resources to pay for it, so let's do that. Since the money track is already maxed, the next best choice is to colonize with 3 science or 3 materials for maximum additional resources. Let's say resources (2 brown planets, 1 grey planet).

Money = 0 +28 -30
Science = 9 +10
Materials = 1 +18

Trade 6 science for 2 money

Money = 2 +28 -30
Science = 3 +10
Materials = 1 +18

end with

Money = 0
Science = 19
Materials = 19

[D'rek]

So, the end resource counts and hexes owned are:


Terrans:

Resources = 41

Hexes owned:
001 - Galactic Center
108 - Mu Cassiopeiae
211 - Beta Aquilae
225 - Eta Cassiopeiae
304 - Theta Pegasi
234 - Eta Geminorum
235 - Mu Arae
318 - Gamma Velorum



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Mechanema:

Resources = 38

Hexes owned:
321 - Beta Delphini
381 - Beta Sextantis
308 - Kappa Scorpii
317 - Beta Crucis
230 - Lambda Aurigae
103 - Beta Leonis
204 - Vega
106 - Capella

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Orion:

Resources = 15

Hexes owned:
203 - Chi Draconis
205 - Mu Herculis
232 - Rigel
302 - Gamma Serpentis
310 - Nu Phoenicis


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Lyra:

Resources = 53

Hexes owned:
311 - Canopus
301 - Zeta Draconis
314 - Spica
201 - Alpha Centauri



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Magellans:

Resources = 9

Hexes owned:
101 - Castor
107 - Aldebaran
105 - Zeta Herculis




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Exiles:

Resources = 13

Hexes owned:
305 - Lambda Serpentis
324 - Epsilon Carinae
281 - Delta Corvi
320 - Nu Ophiuci
303 - Eta Cephei
224 - Beta Hydri

[D'rek]

I'll go tally the points!!!

[cerveza_fiesta]

D, on 20 April 2013 - 03:38 AM, said:

As twelve says, CF gets the most points by influencing both hexes and converting resources to pay for it, so let's do that. Since the money track is already maxed, the next best choice is to colonize with 3 science or 3 materials for maximum additional resources. Let's say resources (2 brown planets, 1 grey planet).

Money = 0 +28 -30
Science = 9 +10
Materials = 1 +18

Trade 6 science for 2 money

Money = 2 +28 -30
Science = 3 +10
Materials = 1 +18

end with

Money = 0
Science = 19
Materials = 19

would mine not go like this?



Influence vega and capella. Colonize the grey planet in vega with science, colonize orbital in vega with science (I can do that even without the tech right?), colonize science in capella.

Money -30 upkeep + 28 income + 0 in bank = -2 subtotal + conversion of 6 science to 2 money = 0 Money
Science = 9 bank + 18 income = 27 subtotal -6 from conversion = 21 science
Materials = 1 bank + 10 income = 11 materials

EDIT


I realize I just did the opposite choice from you, but I think your resource tally is too high. Did I miss something?

This post has been edited by cerveza_fiesta: 20 April 2013 - 03:58 AM

[cerveza_fiesta]

Also, I have to shake Khell's hand. Somehow we managed to finish the game without one of us forcing the other to break diplo. Didn't expect that!

[D'rek]

FINAL POINTS BREAKDOWN

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Terran Union (twelve)

Hexes Influenced = 19 points

Spoiler

001 - Galactic Center = 4 points
108 - Mu Cassiopeiae = 2 points
211 - Beta Aquilae = 2 points
225 - Eta Cassiopeiae = 3 points
304 - Theta Pegasi = 1 point
234 - Eta Geminorum = 3 points
235 - Mu Arae = 3 points
318 - Gamma Velorum = 1 point

Technological Research = 6 points

Spoiler

Military Track = 2 points
Grid Track = 3 points
Nano Track = 1 point

Reputation = 11 points

Diplomatic Relations = 1 point

Alliances = 2 points

Slayer of the Ancient Dreadnaught = 1 point

Control of the Shellworld = 5 points

Total VP = 45

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Mechanema (CF)

Hexes Influenced = 14 points

Spoiler

321 - Beta Delphini = 1 point
381 - Beta Sextantis = 2 points
308 - Kappa Scorpii = 1 point
317 - Beta Crucis = 1 point
230 - Lambda Aurigae = 3 points
103 - Beta Leonis = 2 points
204 - Vega = 2 points
106 - Capella = 2 points

Technological Research = 5 points

Spoiler

Military Track = 0
Grid Track = 5 points
Nano Track = 0

Discoveries = 2 points

Reputation = 8 points

Diplomatic Relations = 2 points

Alliances = 2 points

Total VP = 33

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Orion Hegemony (EM, later Tattersail)

Hexes Influenced = 8 points

Spoiler

203 - Chi Draconis = 1 point
205 - Mu Herculis = 1 point
232 - Rigel = 3 points
302 - Gamma Serpentis = 2 points
310 - Nu Phoenicis = 1 point

Technological Research = 2 points

Spoiler

Military Track = 1 point
Grid Track = 1 point
Nano Track = 0

Reputation = 14 points

Diplomatic Relations = 1 point

Traitor Card = -2 points

Betrayer = -3 points

Control of the Warp Portal = 1 point

Total VP = 21

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Enlightened of Lyra (Khell)

Hexes Influenced = 5 points

Spoiler

311 - Canopus = 1 point
301 - Zeta Draconis = 2 points
314 - Spica = 1 point
201 - Alpha Centauri = 1 point

Technological Research = 3 points

Spoiler

Military Track = 0
Grid Track = 3 points
Nano Track = 0

Discoveries = 2 points

Reputation = 4 points

Diplomatic Relations = 3 points

Alliances = 2 points

Shrines = 7 points (control of 4 shrines and +3 completion bonus)

Total VP = 26

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Keepers of Magellan (IH)

Hexes Influenced = 7 points

Spoiler

101 - Castor = 2 points
107 - Aldebaran = 2 points
105 - Zeta Herculis = 3 points

Technological Research = 7 points

Spoiler

Military Track = 2 points
Grid Track = 5 points
Nano Track = 0

Discoveries = 6 points

Used Discoveries = 1 point

Reputation = 8 points

Diplomatic Relations = 2 points

Alliances = 2 points

Total VP = 33

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The Exiles (D'rek)

Hexes Influenced = 11 points

Spoiler

305 - Lambda Serpentis = 1 point
324 - Epsilon Carinae = 2 points* o
281 - Delta Corvi = 2 points o
320 - Nu Ophiuci = 1 point
303 - Eta Cephei = 2 points*
224 - Beta Hydri = 3 points* o

Technological Research = 6 points

Spoiler

Military Track = 5 points
Grid Track = 0
Nano Track = 1 point

Reputation = 8 points

Diplomatic Relations = 1 points

Alliances = 2 points

Ancient Monument = 3 points

Artifact Link = 3 points

Spoiler

324 - Epsilon Carinae
303 - Eta Cephei
224 - Beta Hydri

Orbitals = 3 points

Spoiler

324 - Epsilon Carinae
281 - Delta Corvi
224 - Beta Hydri

Total VP = 37

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Hydrani Progress (Tattersail)

Total VP = 17

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FINAL SCORES:

Nova Alliance = 39 VP
Flare Alliance = 35 VP
Vortex Alliance/Lyra = 26 VP
Orion = 21 VP
Hydrani = 17 VP



The winners are: Twelve and CF! Congratulations!