[Kaschan]

So I've caught up on my notes, and I think that basically we need to get Lio lynched so we can move on with the game. He has never followed up on questions put to him following his reveal, and has spent the past few days spamming up the thread. I also caught this post below, where he has mixed up Atrahal and Silanah, possibly an honest mistake, but it also has the potential to seriously confuse the thread, and is a little ironic considering how much he has attacked others for not fact checking

Liosan, on 22 December 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Ok, so I want to figure this out. See, whether or not you think I'm scum or whatever, it still makes no sense for Atrah to have such a reveal.

Atrahal was Brolin. Brolin is an Earthbender. And this get-abilities NA is Bloodbending, which is a specific skill of Waterbenders. Brolin can't Waterbend, so he definitely can't Bloodbend. How then did he get this info? Furthermore, if this were his ability, he surely would have used it on me the first night I was on the chopping block, and on someone supposedly associated with me - ie Tulas or Spite - the second night, but he didn't reveal anything about them, which would have helped town - and he is town so he would have.

So my theory is that Atrah did not have the Bloodbend NA. Instead, on some night he received the result of someone else doing it. I don't know how exactly, but we have both Reflect and Control actions we don't know about, plus other un-named actions. So I'm theorizing that on some night Atrah got this list of abilities and either got additional info that lead him to believe it was me, or else had some other reason to reach that conclusion. Unfortunately, this information did not refer to me (and I suspect did not actually refer to Amon either since it doesn't mention Bloodbending or removing bending abilities, which we know Amon can do from the plot/OP), but Atrah believed that it did, and hence went all out in his aggression against me and the reveal.

The underlined stands out to me particularly, because here it sounds like Lio has particular knowledge of blood bending. Atrahal (Bolin) never said how he got his knowledge about Lio, he certainly never stated he could blood bend (that was Silanah) and he never revealed anything about Lio's abilities in any case, his info was about Lio's protection.

Silanah, for whatever reason, was the one who believed he had found Amon through the use of blood bending. I still don't understand how that happened, as Atrahal clearly wasn't Amon.

This has me pretty convinced, even if the earlier lousy reveal, LP, and subsequent explosion of the thread did not.

Vote Liosan.

[Ampelas]

vote liosan

Lets move this game forward. I always self doubt, but I feel like this is one of those places where simple is probably right and overthinking fucks us over.

[Tennes]

Crap, do people even know the game has restarted for a day? i had no idea, thought we wouldn't be playing again till January. I just happened to come on because I was bored!

Or is it just me who don't read good?

[Ampelas]

You done read gud! You smart and I laike caikes! You got a purty mouth. Caikes n syrep be the best i reckon. CAIKES!

[Karosis]

GAME ON!!!!

I can now say for certain the no voting thing is NOT chi blocking. It is an electrical weapon. Found this out last night. (I got to use my power yea!)

I'm for lynching off Liosan today, but we have a shit load of time. I'm going to see who else stands out. I will back later.

[Galain]

Osseric, on 27 December 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

If we can get a spite Lynch, we can get a Liosan Lynch. We need 6 to lynch. unless Lio has 3 (spite included) symps left, we should still have enough. 11-2 (lio and Spite)-2 (you and tennes)= 7. Thats 7 people that can vote Lio. We only need 6. Your post confuses me. I thought you were on the good guy side... but this post makes me confused about where your allegiances are. you were the biggest anti-lio person on thread, now you want spite. Why the 180?

I can't vote, so like day 3 I just sit, carp, and criticize.
Osseric, you've got blinders on; not everybody is convinced that Lio is Amon. All it takes is a niggling bit of doubt and you end up with a no-lynch. My solution stands a much better chance of getting sufficient votes. Not a 180, more of a tacking move.

[Galain]

Fener, on 27 December 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Because if we lynch lio and he turns out to be korra then we're in deep shit.

If we lynch spite and we lynch a weak role on team avatar it's a lot lower risk but gives us a pretty good idea whether lio is korra or amon.

Yeah, what he said.

[Osseric]

Atrahal, on 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Ok since night is about to be resolved and am doubtful of my survival, Liosan is Amon, he has one LP and some regenerating BP when he is eventually taken out he will FM switch to one of the people he has recruited (this is why we seen kills)

Please dont' forget this people.

This is why I am pushing so hard for a lynch today. I feel we have him. lynching someone else just gives him more time to recruit/cultivate people to jump into. As of know we know of Spite... but if we give it another day by killing spite, we'll have an unknown.

Take out the head first. You can deal with the body later

vote Liosan

[Osseric]

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

So I've caught up on my notes, and I think that basically we need to get Lio lynched so we can move on with the game. He has never followed up on questions put to him following his reveal, and has spent the past few days spamming up the thread. I also caught this post below, where he has mixed up Atrahal and Silanah, possibly an honest mistake, but it also has the potential to seriously confuse the thread, and is a little ironic considering how much he has attacked others for not fact checking

Liosan, on 22 December 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Ok, so I want to figure this out. See, whether or not you think I'm scum or whatever, it still makes no sense for Atrah to have such a reveal.

Atrahal was Brolin. Brolin is an Earthbender. And this get-abilities NA is Bloodbending, which is a specific skill of Waterbenders. Brolin can't Waterbend, so he definitely can't Bloodbend. How then did he get this info? Furthermore, if this were his ability, he surely would have used it on me the first night I was on the chopping block, and on someone supposedly associated with me - ie Tulas or Spite - the second night, but he didn't reveal anything about them, which would have helped town - and he is town so he would have.

So my theory is that Atrah did not have the Bloodbend NA. Instead, on some night he received the result of someone else doing it. I don't know how exactly, but we have both Reflect and Control actions we don't know about, plus other un-named actions. So I'm theorizing that on some night Atrah got this list of abilities and either got additional info that lead him to believe it was me, or else had some other reason to reach that conclusion. Unfortunately, this information did not refer to me (and I suspect did not actually refer to Amon either since it doesn't mention Bloodbending or removing bending abilities, which we know Amon can do from the plot/OP), but Atrah believed that it did, and hence went all out in his aggression against me and the reveal.

The underlined stands out to me particularly, because here it sounds like Lio has particular knowledge of blood bending. Atrahal (Bolin) never said how he got his knowledge about Lio, he certainly never stated he could blood bend (that was Silanah) and he never revealed anything about Lio's abilities in any case, his info was about Lio's protection.

Silanah, for whatever reason, was the one who believed he had found Amon through the use of blood bending. I still don't understand how that happened, as Atrahal clearly wasn't Amon.

This has me pretty convinced, even if the earlier lousy reveal, LP, and subsequent explosion of the thread did not.

Vote Liosan.

I didn't follow Sil's logic eather. He said that he had an ability that was the same as Atrahals and he made the logic leap that since he was Amons brother...that Atrahal must have been Amon. Bad logic, bad choice, and it cost us 2 innos. It never crossed his mind that 2 innos would have the same ability, or that Lio's LP was a sign that he was Amon. Ugh.

[Galain]

Osseric, on 27 December 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

I didn't follow Sil's logic eather. He said that he had an ability that was the same as Atrahals and he made the logic leap that since he was Amons brother...that Atrahal must have been Amon. Bad logic, bad choice, and it cost us 2 innos. It never crossed his mind that 2 innos would have the same ability, or that Lio's LP was a sign that he was Amon. Ugh.

Good logic. But based upon a faulty premise.

Tarlokk is a blood bender.

Tarlokk's blood bending gives him an ability that reveals to him all the abilities of another person.

Tarlokk is Amon's brother.

Amon is a blood bender.

Therefore, Amon should have the same ability.

Premise: ONLY blood blenders have an ability to get the abilities of another person.
Premise: Atrahal revealed the abilities of another player.
Conclusion: Atrahal is a blood bender and Amon

Atrahal was not Amon. So, at least one of the premises is wrong.

[Liosan]

Present, Your Honour. I plead not guilty. I would now like for the court to grant a short recess in which I shall "catch up" as it were. Gavel go bangy bang bang!

[Liosan]

Osseric, on 22 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

You are not Korra or Atrahal would have known as he is on team avatar and it's a pretty safe assumption that they know each other.

How on earth is that a safe assumption? A team of 3 (there are 3 characters that are "Team Avatar" in the show, I think) knowing each other, with one uber role is far more up scum's alley than a part of town's.

Osseric, on 22 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

He didn't just pull up a random role PM and bust it out on thread and blame it on you for shits and giggles.

Kinda seems like he did, considering the role he described doesn't match the description of Amon at all. But I already addressed this, explaining a possible way that he might have gotten mixed up info from a reflect. Nice of you to just keep trying to shout your way forward and too high-horse'd to even try and answer my reasonable responses.

[Liosan]

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

He has never followed up on questions put to him following his reveal,

AFAIR, the only questions put to me were from Sil who asked about my abilities, and then promptly beheaded himself, so I didn't feel much need to give answer to his corpse. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

and has spent the past few days spamming up the thread.

When did reasoning out game mechanics, defending cases against oneself and pointing out scummy behaviour become spam?

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I also caught this post below, where he has mixed up Atrahal and Silanah, possibly an honest mistake, but it also has the potential to seriously confuse the thread, and is a little ironic considering how much he has attacked others for not fact checking

Liosan, on 22 December 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Ok, so I want to figure this out. See, whether or not you think I'm scum or whatever, it still makes no sense for Atrah to have such a reveal.

Atrahal was Brolin. Brolin is an Earthbender. And this get-abilities NA is Bloodbending, which is a specific skill of Waterbenders. Brolin can't Waterbend, so he definitely can't Bloodbend. How then did he get this info? Furthermore, if this were his ability, he surely would have used it on me the first night I was on the chopping block, and on someone supposedly associated with me - ie Tulas or Spite - the second night, but he didn't reveal anything about them, which would have helped town - and he is town so he would have.

So my theory is that Atrah did not have the Bloodbend NA. Instead, on some night he received the result of someone else doing it. I don't know how exactly, but we have both Reflect and Control actions we don't know about, plus other un-named actions. So I'm theorizing that on some night Atrah got this list of abilities and either got additional info that lead him to believe it was me, or else had some other reason to reach that conclusion. Unfortunately, this information did not refer to me (and I suspect did not actually refer to Amon either since it doesn't mention Bloodbending or removing bending abilities, which we know Amon can do from the plot/OP), but Atrah believed that it did, and hence went all out in his aggression against me and the reveal.

The underlined stands out to me particularly, because here it sounds like Lio has particular knowledge of blood bending. Atrahal (Bolin) never said how he got his knowledge about Lio, he certainly never stated he could blood bend (that was Silanah) and he never revealed anything about Lio's abilities in any case, his info was about Lio's protection.

Silanah, for whatever reason, was the one who believed he had found Amon through the use of blood bending. I still don't understand how that happened, as Atrahal clearly wasn't Amon.

This has me pretty convinced, even if the earlier lousy reveal, LP, and subsequent explosion of the thread did not.

Vote Liosan.

It was not a mix-up. Sil explained Bloodbending, and clearly reasoned that he felt Atrah was using the very same ability. I chose to believe this and believe that there would not be some other ability in the game that is almost the exact same. Simplest explanation for Atrah having an ability extremely similar to Sil's Bloodbending and which Sil believed was also Bloodbending, is that Atrah also had, used, or received the information from the same Bloodbending ability.

[Liosan]

Karosis, on 27 December 2012 - 03:22 PM, said:

GAME ON!!!!

I can now say for certain the no voting thing is NOT chi blocking. It is an electrical weapon. Found this out last night. (I got to use my power yea!)

I'm for lynching off Liosan today, but we have a shit load of time. I'm going to see who else stands out. I will back later.

From what I can recall of the lore, the Equalists use electric weapons in lieu of/to counter benders.

[Liosan]

Osseric, on 27 December 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Ok since night is about to be resolved and am doubtful of my survival, Liosan is Amon, he has one LP and some regenerating BP when he is eventually taken out he will FM switch to one of the people he has recruited (this is why we seen kills)

Please dont' forget this people.

This is why I am pushing so hard for a lynch today. I feel we have him. lynching someone else just gives him more time to recruit/cultivate people to jump into. As of know we know of Spite... but if we give it another day by killing spite, we'll have an unknown.

Take out the head first. You can deal with the body later

vote Liosan

I never really got what Atrah was even trying to say with that last bit of his tomfoolery. "this is why we seen kills" -> why does a 1-time FM equate kills?

[Anomandaris]

oops.
I forgot when the game was going to start again.
I don't like this Lio business at all and the reason has been said by me and others over and over and over.
He is a suspect because Spite made him a suspect.
after that out of nowhere someone comes out and says he is Amon. Someone else kills the supposed revealer because he is supposed to be Amon and now people are back to Lio being Amon. kinda funny when I look at it that way.

[Anomandaris]

Tennes, on 21 December 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

By the way people, today I have a case of that nasty 'can't vote' bug that's being going around. Convenient for Liosan.
Here's what I will say on the matter of Liosan:
Do you think that so many people would so obviously stick their heads out trying to get this lynch if Liosan wasn't big name scum? Scum would not do that. Why? Because whilst they may succeed in getting their target lynched, they've exposed themselves to all manner of night actions and lynches for the rest of the game, because of the CF from the lynch. On the other hand, the only retribution townies would have to fear is scum night actions - which they would expect anyway - as town wouldn't lynch them after that kind of scum CF, and scum wouldn't have the numbers on their own.


In addition, I would say that Atrahal's description of the abilities supposedly available to Liosan is pretty detailed, whereas we've had nothing except one vague attempt from Liosan which surely didn't ring quite right for anyone who read it.

How do this "so many people" know that he is scum? all of scum would come out of open and try for Korra's head if they knew who he is...

[Anomandaris]

Osseric, on 27 December 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Ok since night is about to be resolved and am doubtful of my survival, Liosan is Amon, he has one LP and some regenerating BP when he is eventually taken out he will FM switch to one of the people he has recruited (this is why we seen kills)

Please dont' forget this people.

This is why I am pushing so hard for a lynch today. I feel we have him. lynching someone else just gives him more time to recruit/cultivate people to jump into. As of know we know of Spite... but if we give it another day by killing spite, we'll have an unknown.

Take out the head first. You can deal with the body later

vote Liosan

The underlined sentence is on my nerves. That argument is only valid as long as you know all the people he has for jumping into right now.(if Lio is in fact Amon)
Right now, I don't know one single recruit of his.To me he has the ability to jump into anyone he wants at the moment .

[Spite]

Liosan, on 27 December 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Osseric, on 27 December 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 December 2012 - 02:40 PM, said:

Ok since night is about to be resolved and am doubtful of my survival, Liosan is Amon, he has one LP and some regenerating BP when he is eventually taken out he will FM switch to one of the people he has recruited (this is why we seen kills)

Please dont' forget this people.

This is why I am pushing so hard for a lynch today. I feel we have him. lynching someone else just gives him more time to recruit/cultivate people to jump into. As of know we know of Spite... but if we give it another day by killing spite, we'll have an unknown.

Take out the head first. You can deal with the body later

vote Liosan

I never really got what Atrah was even trying to say with that last bit of his tomfoolery. "this is why we seen kills" -> why does a 1-time FM equate kills?

I guess Atrah meant to insert "no" in there between 'seen' and 'kills', aka scum functions like a cult, or 'why' ought to be 'when' instead.

As for his assumption, I googled around a tiny bit, as I know nothing about the show. What little I caught of the plot and characters was basically what every anime series with a decent following has: a lot of name dropping, two pages per character and very little way to make sure who's important and who isn't without reading everything and seeing where things cross over from the main person.

Anyhow, what I found did indeed say that Amon and brother are one of the very few who know how to blood bend, so maybe the whole vig shenanigans on Atrahal came from there: wiki-writing by people with no aptitude for seperating main, secondary and tertiary issues but rather spewing forth endless amounts of factoid stuff about their favorite characters.

[Spite]

Anomandaris, on 27 December 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

oops.
I forgot when the game was going to start again.
I don't like this Lio business at all and the reason has been said by me and others over and over and over.
He is a suspect because Spite made him a suspect.

That's a novel way of phrasing it. Not that I disapprove, really.

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after that out of nowhere someone comes out and says he is Amon. Someone else kills the supposed revealer because he is supposed to be Amon and now people are back to Lio being Amon. kinda funny when I look at it that way.

Be careful, Galain is dead serious about it, up to the point of providing lots of theorycraft to make anything stick.