[Anomandaris]

I'm not sure if this was an honest mistake be Galain (who was trying to post this in his off thread communications thread?) or a ploy to make Equalists attack certain members (maybe in their own team?).

[Anomandaris]

Tennes, on 27 December 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 27 December 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

oops.
I forgot when the game was going to start again.
I don't like this Lio business at all and the reason has been said by me and others over and over and over.
He is a suspect because Spite made him a suspect.
after that out of nowhere someone comes out and says he is Amon. Someone else kills the supposed revealer because he is supposed to be Amon and now people are back to Lio being Amon. kinda funny when I look at it that way.

No Anomandaris, Liosan is a suspect because a CONFIRMED MEMBER OF TEAM AVATAR said he was Amon. He had a lynchproof, which suggests an uber-role - how can you possibly ignore that part? And a member of team Avatar would hardly turn on another of their own members, so therefore thus ergo Liosan is.....(finish the sentence, i know you can).

The CONFIRMED MEMBER OF TEAM AVATAR could have been mistaken. Having a LP does not mean he is an uber role. I have a LP myself and I assure you I'm not an uber role.

[Kaschan]

Liosan, on 27 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

He has never followed up on questions put to him following his reveal,

AFAIR, the only questions put to me were from Sil who asked about my abilities, and then promptly beheaded himself, so I didn't feel much need to give answer to his corpse. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

and has spent the past few days spamming up the thread.

When did reasoning out game mechanics, defending cases against oneself and pointing out scummy behaviour become spam?

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I also caught this post below, where he has mixed up Atrahal and Silanah, possibly an honest mistake, but it also has the potential to seriously confuse the thread, and is a little ironic considering how much he has attacked others for not fact checking

Liosan, on 22 December 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Ok, so I want to figure this out. See, whether or not you think I'm scum or whatever, it still makes no sense for Atrah to have such a reveal.

Atrahal was Brolin. Brolin is an Earthbender. And this get-abilities NA is Bloodbending, which is a specific skill of Waterbenders. Brolin can't Waterbend, so he definitely can't Bloodbend. How then did he get this info? Furthermore, if this were his ability, he surely would have used it on me the first night I was on the chopping block, and on someone supposedly associated with me - ie Tulas or Spite - the second night, but he didn't reveal anything about them, which would have helped town - and he is town so he would have.

So my theory is that Atrah did not have the Bloodbend NA. Instead, on some night he received the result of someone else doing it. I don't know how exactly, but we have both Reflect and Control actions we don't know about, plus other un-named actions. So I'm theorizing that on some night Atrah got this list of abilities and either got additional info that lead him to believe it was me, or else had some other reason to reach that conclusion. Unfortunately, this information did not refer to me (and I suspect did not actually refer to Amon either since it doesn't mention Bloodbending or removing bending abilities, which we know Amon can do from the plot/OP), but Atrah believed that it did, and hence went all out in his aggression against me and the reveal.

The underlined stands out to me particularly, because here it sounds like Lio has particular knowledge of blood bending. Atrahal (Bolin) never said how he got his knowledge about Lio, he certainly never stated he could blood bend (that was Silanah) and he never revealed anything about Lio's abilities in any case, his info was about Lio's protection.

Silanah, for whatever reason, was the one who believed he had found Amon through the use of blood bending. I still don't understand how that happened, as Atrahal clearly wasn't Amon.

This has me pretty convinced, even if the earlier lousy reveal, LP, and subsequent explosion of the thread did not.

Vote Liosan.

It was not a mix-up. Sil explained Bloodbending, and clearly reasoned that he felt Atrah was using the very same ability. I chose to believe this and believe that there would not be some other ability in the game that is almost the exact same. Simplest explanation for Atrah having an ability extremely similar to Sil's Bloodbending and which Sil believed was also Bloodbending, is that Atrah also had, used, or received the information from the same Bloodbending ability.

First off, I asked you pretty much directly after your reveal, and you blew me off by suggesting that I was scummy for wanting more details.

Second, your assumption is dangerous. You say that blood-bending gives the user information about the abilities of another player. Atrahal's information was all about the defences you had, rather than the abilities. And in addition, Silanah, as I said before, NEVER states how he got the information about Atrahal. Your suggestion, that he assumed Atrahal must be a blood bender because his ability was similar to blood bending, only works if you know in particular that blood-bending can give that information, and therefore YOU must be a blood bender as well.

[Kaschan]

Galain, on 27 December 2012 - 07:46 PM, said:

Osseric, on 27 December 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

I didn't follow Sil's logic eather. He said that he had an ability that was the same as Atrahals and he made the logic leap that since he was Amons brother...that Atrahal must have been Amon. Bad logic, bad choice, and it cost us 2 innos. It never crossed his mind that 2 innos would have the same ability, or that Lio's LP was a sign that he was Amon. Ugh.

Good logic. But based upon a faulty premise.

Tarlokk is a blood bender.

Tarlokk's blood bending gives him an ability that reveals to him all the abilities of another person.

Tarlokk is Amon's brother.

Amon is a blood bender.

Therefore, Amon should have the same ability.

Premise: ONLY blood blenders have an ability to get the abilities of another person.
Premise: Atrahal revealed the abilities of another player.
Conclusion: Atrahal is a blood bender and Amon

Atrahal was not Amon. So, at least one of the premises is wrong.

Yep. Again, Atrahal did not reveal the abilities of Lio, he revealed the defences.

Seriously, do people even read what I write?

[Anomandaris]

Kaschan, on 28 December 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

Liosan, on 27 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

He has never followed up on questions put to him following his reveal,

AFAIR, the only questions put to me were from Sil who asked about my abilities, and then promptly beheaded himself, so I didn't feel much need to give answer to his corpse. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

and has spent the past few days spamming up the thread.

When did reasoning out game mechanics, defending cases against oneself and pointing out scummy behaviour become spam?

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I also caught this post below, where he has mixed up Atrahal and Silanah, possibly an honest mistake, but it also has the potential to seriously confuse the thread, and is a little ironic considering how much he has attacked others for not fact checking

Liosan, on 22 December 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Ok, so I want to figure this out. See, whether or not you think I'm scum or whatever, it still makes no sense for Atrah to have such a reveal.

Atrahal was Brolin. Brolin is an Earthbender. And this get-abilities NA is Bloodbending, which is a specific skill of Waterbenders. Brolin can't Waterbend, so he definitely can't Bloodbend. How then did he get this info? Furthermore, if this were his ability, he surely would have used it on me the first night I was on the chopping block, and on someone supposedly associated with me - ie Tulas or Spite - the second night, but he didn't reveal anything about them, which would have helped town - and he is town so he would have.

So my theory is that Atrah did not have the Bloodbend NA. Instead, on some night he received the result of someone else doing it. I don't know how exactly, but we have both Reflect and Control actions we don't know about, plus other un-named actions. So I'm theorizing that on some night Atrah got this list of abilities and either got additional info that lead him to believe it was me, or else had some other reason to reach that conclusion. Unfortunately, this information did not refer to me (and I suspect did not actually refer to Amon either since it doesn't mention Bloodbending or removing bending abilities, which we know Amon can do from the plot/OP), but Atrah believed that it did, and hence went all out in his aggression against me and the reveal.

The underlined stands out to me particularly, because here it sounds like Lio has particular knowledge of blood bending. Atrahal (Bolin) never said how he got his knowledge about Lio, he certainly never stated he could blood bend (that was Silanah) and he never revealed anything about Lio's abilities in any case, his info was about Lio's protection.

Silanah, for whatever reason, was the one who believed he had found Amon through the use of blood bending. I still don't understand how that happened, as Atrahal clearly wasn't Amon.

This has me pretty convinced, even if the earlier lousy reveal, LP, and subsequent explosion of the thread did not.

Vote Liosan.

It was not a mix-up. Sil explained Bloodbending, and clearly reasoned that he felt Atrah was using the very same ability. I chose to believe this and believe that there would not be some other ability in the game that is almost the exact same. Simplest explanation for Atrah having an ability extremely similar to Sil's Bloodbending and which Sil believed was also Bloodbending, is that Atrah also had, used, or received the information from the same Bloodbending ability.

First off, I asked you pretty much directly after your reveal, and you blew me off by suggesting that I was scummy for wanting more details.

Second, your assumption is dangerous. You say that blood-bending gives the user information about the abilities of another player. Atrahal's information was all about the defences you had, rather than the abilities. And in addition, Silanah, as I said before, NEVER states how he got the information about Atrahal. Your suggestion, that he assumed Atrahal must be a blood bender because his ability was similar to blood bending, only works if you know in particular that blood-bending can give that information, and therefore YOU must be a blood bender as well.

Retard is the word that comes to mind.
1.Silanah is a blood bender.
2.he knows what abilities blood benders have.
3.He sees something similar on thread.
4.assumes its his brother(the only other bender on the show?).
5.kills him ...
Silanah was a blood bender if you haven't noticed.

[Kaschan]

Anomandaris, on 28 December 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 28 December 2012 - 09:20 AM, said:

Liosan, on 27 December 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

He has never followed up on questions put to him following his reveal,

AFAIR, the only questions put to me were from Sil who asked about my abilities, and then promptly beheaded himself, so I didn't feel much need to give answer to his corpse. If you have questions, feel free to ask.

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

and has spent the past few days spamming up the thread.

When did reasoning out game mechanics, defending cases against oneself and pointing out scummy behaviour become spam?

Kaschan, on 27 December 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

I also caught this post below, where he has mixed up Atrahal and Silanah, possibly an honest mistake, but it also has the potential to seriously confuse the thread, and is a little ironic considering how much he has attacked others for not fact checking

Liosan, on 22 December 2012 - 04:00 AM, said:

Ok, so I want to figure this out. See, whether or not you think I'm scum or whatever, it still makes no sense for Atrah to have such a reveal.

Atrahal was Brolin. Brolin is an Earthbender. And this get-abilities NA is Bloodbending, which is a specific skill of Waterbenders. Brolin can't Waterbend, so he definitely can't Bloodbend. How then did he get this info? Furthermore, if this were his ability, he surely would have used it on me the first night I was on the chopping block, and on someone supposedly associated with me - ie Tulas or Spite - the second night, but he didn't reveal anything about them, which would have helped town - and he is town so he would have.

So my theory is that Atrah did not have the Bloodbend NA. Instead, on some night he received the result of someone else doing it. I don't know how exactly, but we have both Reflect and Control actions we don't know about, plus other un-named actions. So I'm theorizing that on some night Atrah got this list of abilities and either got additional info that lead him to believe it was me, or else had some other reason to reach that conclusion. Unfortunately, this information did not refer to me (and I suspect did not actually refer to Amon either since it doesn't mention Bloodbending or removing bending abilities, which we know Amon can do from the plot/OP), but Atrah believed that it did, and hence went all out in his aggression against me and the reveal.

The underlined stands out to me particularly, because here it sounds like Lio has particular knowledge of blood bending. Atrahal (Bolin) never said how he got his knowledge about Lio, he certainly never stated he could blood bend (that was Silanah) and he never revealed anything about Lio's abilities in any case, his info was about Lio's protection.

Silanah, for whatever reason, was the one who believed he had found Amon through the use of blood bending. I still don't understand how that happened, as Atrahal clearly wasn't Amon.

This has me pretty convinced, even if the earlier lousy reveal, LP, and subsequent explosion of the thread did not.

Vote Liosan.

It was not a mix-up. Sil explained Bloodbending, and clearly reasoned that he felt Atrah was using the very same ability. I chose to believe this and believe that there would not be some other ability in the game that is almost the exact same. Simplest explanation for Atrah having an ability extremely similar to Sil's Bloodbending and which Sil believed was also Bloodbending, is that Atrah also had, used, or received the information from the same Bloodbending ability.

First off, I asked you pretty much directly after your reveal, and you blew me off by suggesting that I was scummy for wanting more details.

Second, your assumption is dangerous. You say that blood-bending gives the user information about the abilities of another player. Atrahal's information was all about the defences you had, rather than the abilities. And in addition, Silanah, as I said before, NEVER states how he got the information about Atrahal. Your suggestion, that he assumed Atrahal must be a blood bender because his ability was similar to blood bending, only works if you know in particular that blood-bending can give that information, and therefore YOU must be a blood bender as well.

Retard is the word that comes to mind.
1.Silanah is a blood bender.
2.he knows what abilities blood benders have.
3.He sees something similar on thread.
4.assumes its his brother(the only other bender on the show?).
5.kills him ...
Silanah was a blood bender if you haven't noticed.

I'm not contesting that at all, which you would know if you could read properly, and not just cherry-pick what you disagree with. My point is that only someone who also knew what blood benders could do could make that connection. Ergo, Lio is a blood bender.

[Tennes]

Emurlahn said:

1356682892[/url]' post='1020943']
Safe to say Galain is a dick.

Anyone can read that post. You must be part of team Equalist for a shit post like that. You highlight that you think Osseric is Korra and that Liosan is just "an equalist". Even though I pointed out that Anomandaris is an equalist YOU have no clue about him. Can you explain your accusations about Osseric? Also what type of post is that? Is that off thread communication or something you are showing us? I don't know if that is Mod killable offence. Yet to me at least it proves you have been recruited. One day you are vehemently opposed to Liosan now you are not. Your play today has been scummy as fuck, maybe you are trying to inadvertently show town that you have been recruited.

My question to other people is this, when we lynch Liosan do we think he can jump into his own equalists as well as his recruits? How successful do we think his recruiting has been? I mean people may have abilities against this so that it will not be a walk over for team equalist

Liosan could not vote the first two days, so I'm going to dangerously assume (read: hope) that he couldn't recruit then either. So i think maybe one recruit (Galain) thus far?
I'm not sure about whether he could jump into any of the original Equalists too though.

[Emurlahn]

Ano just ignores what I've said, he also mentions he has an lp. I don't think he has but I'm not sure. We'll see after lios cf what to do, I'm for testing anos reveals about an lp.

[Anomandaris]

Emurlahn, on 28 December 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

Ano just ignores what I've said, he also mentions he has an lp. I don't think he has but I'm not sure. We'll see after lios cf what to do, I'm for testing anos reveals about an lp.

Because you are talking bullshit.
feel free to test my LP whenever you want.

[Anomandaris]

Silanah, on 21 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Atrahal is Amon. I have to kill Amon for my VC. I know he is because I can bloodbend, as can he. Bloodbending gives you the ability list of someone else and lets you use one of them that night, so i figured out he could when he revealed lios abilities.

Kaschan, on 28 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

I'm not contesting that at all, which you would know if you could read properly, and not just cherry-pick what you disagree with. My point is that only someone who also knew what blood benders could do could make that connection. Ergo, Lio is a blood bender.

OK retard.

[Path-Shaper]

It is now Day 4. 1 hour 49 minutes remaining.

11 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Kaschan, Liosan, Osseric, Spite, Tennes

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

5 votes Liosan : Kaschan, Ampelas, Osseric, Emurlahn, Fener


Players not voted: Anomandaris, Galain, Karosis, Liosan, Spite, Tennes

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 28 December 2012 - 01:16 PM

[Kaschan]

Anomandaris, on 28 December 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Silanah, on 21 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Atrahal is Amon. I have to kill Amon for my VC. I know he is because I can bloodbend, as can he. Bloodbending gives you the ability list of someone else and lets you use one of them that night, so i figured out he could when he revealed lios abilities.

Kaschan, on 28 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

I'm not contesting that at all, which you would know if you could read properly, and not just cherry-pick what you disagree with. My point is that only someone who also knew what blood benders could do could make that connection. Ergo, Lio is a blood bender.

OK retard.

Ok, point conceded. I missed this on my read through.

[Tennes]

Gee I'm so surprised that Karosis isn't showing up.

[Emurlahn]

WHO cannot vote? You should vote to disprove our worry as it canbe a tactic for Amons team to not vote their master.

[Tennes]

Vote Liosan

[Tennes]

That unfortunately won't count. Galain also said he can't vote.

[Karosis]

Vote Liosan

work is kicking my ass

[Anomandaris]

Kaschan, on 28 December 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 28 December 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

Silanah, on 21 December 2012 - 07:27 PM, said:

Atrahal is Amon. I have to kill Amon for my VC. I know he is because I can bloodbend, as can he. Bloodbending gives you the ability list of someone else and lets you use one of them that night, so i figured out he could when he revealed lios abilities.

Kaschan, on 28 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

I'm not contesting that at all, which you would know if you could read properly, and not just cherry-pick what you disagree with. My point is that only someone who also knew what blood benders could do could make that connection. Ergo, Lio is a blood bender.

OK retard.

Ok, point conceded. I missed this on my read through.

You know you are not gonna sound smarter by using words like "concede".
Makes me think of EU3.

[Karosis]

Sorry I'm late. I thought I would be back sooner. I think I am in time though.

[Tennes]

Karosis said:

1356706355[/url]' post='1021000']
Vote Liosan

work is kicking my ass

I love you Karosis, I take back all the things I said about you in my head.