[Tattersail_]

1000th post

[Khellendros]

OK, had another look at HO.

HO was by far the most active on day 1. That was also the day when he garnered the most pressure, so it may be safe to assume the two are related. Once the pressure died, so did HO's participation. Drastically.

I don't have much to point out that I didn't before, but here goes anyway:


HO is, actually, one of the few people to express interest more than once in the pictures. Here, he doesn't push for looking further into Tats, but mentions previous interpretation.

HiddenOne, on 07 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

I'm having a problem with this whole "picture of Tatts, funny drawing" etc. I don't think this is P-S screwing with us, that would be unfair, obviously we will all try to figure it out.

I can't seem to come up with any interpretation better than that others have offered, but it has to be significant in some way

In the next post he does side toward the picture being genuine, Azath's reveal being fake. Unfortunately, not exactly an uncommon interpretation at the time.

HiddenOne, on 07 December 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

If the message were that Tatts isn't town, it would mean a finder. I agree that Azath looks scummy now because the odds of doing a Find on the guy who got Nkd are very low, but super convenient for him.

But then he doesn't like Bubba's reveal either, just like he didn't like Azath's before that. Immediately votes for him. Now, if HO was scum, why would he do this? Why would he not say something along the lines of what Shin said - "could be right, only one way to find out, lynch Bubba then if necessary lynch Tattersail." But no, it's just, it's a fake reveal, lynch him for being scum.

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

I don't like the reveal, doesn't add up for me

Vote Bubba


thanks Shin, I saw the all caps just for me

And again, here. So he believes that Tats is inno. If he was scum, then why not just keep going along with the possibility it's Tats - why rule someone out?

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Tatts, you have played like a machine all game, but you're freaking out, calm down


I think it was Bubba as symp trying to stall with his fake reveal

So all this almost makes me feel secure that HO is not the final killer. There is only one thing that worries me, and I've pointed it out before. It is this post, on day 1, from Blend.

Blend, on 04 December 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 03 December 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

After a role like that being a towny is kind of a nice break. I just get to enjoy the show rather then lick my chops at the amount of flesh that I am going to rip off of someones back.

Comments like this are pretty scummy if you ask me. I still think Gnaw's being scummy too. He still never really explained why he dropped a vote with no explanation, and has pretty much ignored any inquiries into that vote. But comments like Venge's up above make me feel quite alright with voting him.

I was pretty disappointed to wake up this morning to see that HO was a L-1 on a completely nothing case when there is some much scummier behaviour out there. I understand the want to lynch someone on principle, specially in an altless game, but come on guys, we could at least TRY to play Mafia.

remove vote
vote Venge

Screw not trying to start a new train. Yes, it looks suspicious, but come on, I'd much rather have a lynch that made a bit of sense, rather than finding out that HO was an inno after a caseless lynch.

Blend - that's the killer Blend - essentially saves HO and starts a new train.

Attempt early on to look like a concerned townie, or saving his partner?



I think I may give the benefit of the doubt, and say that scum wouldn't step in like that for their fellow scum so close to a lynch, for fear that the lynch goes through anyway - in which case the attempt to derail is obvious. So I think Blend was trying to look like a concerned townie.


Which - dun dun dun - rules HO out.

[bubba]

Tattersail, on 11 December 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

By the way my Shit posts are due to being on my phone. I cannot go over thread and stuff like this morning but my posts are there for you to read.

Die Bubba.

I did ....remember?

[Khellendros]

Another thing I'm thinking, though this is pretty theoretical and should be taken with a pinch of salt.


A higher TMDI game generally means it's more difficult to work out what's going on, which generally means it's harder for town (as scum begin with more information).

A symp who can post distracting pictures is more in keeping with this than a finder - who can keep their anonymity much more easily this way.

[Khellendros]

Oh, thanks for the birthday wishes Venge and Bubba

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 11 December 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

OK, had another look at HO.

HO was by far the most active on day 1. That was also the day when he garnered the most pressure, so it may be safe to assume the two are related. Once the pressure died, so did HO's participation. Drastically.

I don't have much to point out that I didn't before, but here goes anyway:


HO is, actually, one of the few people to express interest more than once in the pictures. Here, he doesn't push for looking further into Tats, but mentions previous interpretation.

HiddenOne, on 07 December 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

I'm having a problem with this whole "picture of Tatts, funny drawing" etc. I don't think this is P-S screwing with us, that would be unfair, obviously we will all try to figure it out.

I can't seem to come up with any interpretation better than that others have offered, but it has to be significant in some way

In the next post he does side toward the picture being genuine, Azath's reveal being fake. Unfortunately, not exactly an uncommon interpretation at the time.

HiddenOne, on 07 December 2012 - 03:11 PM, said:

If the message were that Tatts isn't town, it would mean a finder. I agree that Azath looks scummy now because the odds of doing a Find on the guy who got Nkd are very low, but super convenient for him.

But then he doesn't like Bubba's reveal either, just like he didn't like Azath's before that. Immediately votes for him. Now, if HO was scum, why would he do this? Why would he not say something along the lines of what Shin said - "could be right, only one way to find out, lynch Bubba then if necessary lynch Tattersail." But no, it's just, it's a fake reveal, lynch him for being scum.

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

I don't like the reveal, doesn't add up for me

Vote Bubba


thanks Shin, I saw the all caps just for me

And again, here. So he believes that Tats is inno. If he was scum, then why not just keep going along with the possibility it's Tats - why rule someone out?

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Tatts, you have played like a machine all game, but you're freaking out, calm down


I think it was Bubba as symp trying to stall with his fake reveal

So all this almost makes me feel secure that HO is not the final killer. There is only one thing that worries me, and I've pointed it out before. It is this post, on day 1, from Blend.

Blend, on 04 December 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 03 December 2012 - 09:46 PM, said:

After a role like that being a towny is kind of a nice break. I just get to enjoy the show rather then lick my chops at the amount of flesh that I am going to rip off of someones back.

Comments like this are pretty scummy if you ask me. I still think Gnaw's being scummy too. He still never really explained why he dropped a vote with no explanation, and has pretty much ignored any inquiries into that vote. But comments like Venge's up above make me feel quite alright with voting him.

I was pretty disappointed to wake up this morning to see that HO was a L-1 on a completely nothing case when there is some much scummier behaviour out there. I understand the want to lynch someone on principle, specially in an altless game, but come on guys, we could at least TRY to play Mafia.

remove vote
vote Venge

Screw not trying to start a new train. Yes, it looks suspicious, but come on, I'd much rather have a lynch that made a bit of sense, rather than finding out that HO was an inno after a caseless lynch.

Blend - that's the killer Blend - essentially saves HO and starts a new train.

Attempt early on to look like a concerned townie, or saving his partner?



I think I may give the benefit of the doubt, and say that scum wouldn't step in like that for their fellow scum so close to a lynch, for fear that the lynch goes through anyway - in which case the attempt to derail is obvious. So I think Blend was trying to look like a concerned townie.


Which - dun dun dun - rules HO out.

Great. I'm with you on HO.

I'm going to bed. I'll add my vote now and hope to wake up with good news.


vote starling

Now Khell I'm voting starling with the belief that HO is town. Plus you would not go to all.this work if you we're scum when you could have just lynched me. There is nothing I can do to convince you once you've set your mind so if you decide it's me I'll understand. It all books down to whether a) you believe Bubba 2) you believe Azath X)you think I'd play a killer that way 4) whether you believe the picture thing did town good or bad.

From the games point of view the pictures created Wifom which is never good for town. That combined with Mg initial reaction to them should prove I'm innocent.

Lastly, my reaction to Blends death, my case against the two scum and my reaction to Bubba fake reveal should all be tell take signs I'm innocent.

In fact second lastly, would you prefer to lose through a reveal or win by what your posts are revealing? You've got 20 hours yet to finish your analysis. Good luck

[Starling]

Bubba, on 11 December 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Holy Shit Tatts! Three whole pages of you squirming. That may be a record.

You really are trying to wriggle out of this. Admit it, it's over. Your partner and your symp are gone. Game over.

Vote Tatts

This kinda clinches it for me. It's obvious Bubba has no interest in trying to answer any of the questions we've put to him, instead simply trying to redirect interest onto Tatts.

I'm going to have a quick look back and see where we are with voting.

[Tattersail_]

I like that post starling. Hmm.

Still going to bed HO if Shit goes down and you are unsure hold off until I'm awake. I feel like I'm lost. I'm having night mares tonight

[Starling]

Ack! Sorry, wasn't completely caught up. I'll be back in a minute.

[Lizradusa]

It is Day 5. 29 hours and 35 minutes remaining
4 Players still alive: Hiddenone, Khellendros, Starling, Tattersail

3 votes to lynch, 2 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Starling ( Tattersail )

Players not voted: Hiddenone, Khellendros, Starling

[Starling]

Ok, since we have time, I'm going to finish the re-read I started last night, before the forum crashed on me. It will probably be a few hours before I can finish it and post my thoughts.

But for now, something more for you guys to chew over. I'm inno, one half of a lover pair. I had the supreme bad luck, in an altless game, of being paired with Venge, and you bastards lynched him. EM picked it up day two, and I think it was HO who accused me of defending Venge day one, and I was. Brujah's reference to someone mourning more over the deaths than the others was a reference to me.

Usually I hate reveals, but I'm hoping this will sway you just a little bit. It would be a mistake to vote for me today, that would hand the game to scum.

[Khellendros]

OK, let's have a look at Azath.


First thing that strikes me is that, based upon his play and previous posts, his supposed finds on Gnaw and especially Gust DON'T look as suspect. Weird to the rest of us, yes, but not for Azath. Have a look-see:

Votes for Gust.

Azathmaster, on 03 December 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

Here, sorry about my earlier nekkidness, I meant to post but fell asleep.

Serious me thoughts: The bubba speed lynch train is suspicious, but fits the veteran trying to have fun stereotype. The most meaty case (which isnt very much at all) is the EM one. But I need to gety altless energy out.

This is for the newb game:

Vote Gust Hubb

Again, Gust.

Azathmaster, on 03 December 2012 - 06:01 PM, said:

Gusty hasnt gotten any attention yet. He's scum

And once more. The point is that Azath makes it apparent he has a grudge with Gust and doesn't trust him one inch because of previous experience. In this light, his decision to do a find on Gust makes more sense.

Azathmaster, on 03 December 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 03 December 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

All alone!!! except for me

Gust Hubb, on 03 December 2012 - 09:31 AM, said:

Not sure what to say about mine.

Gust Hubb, on 03 December 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

Salamander

The entirety of Gusty's posts... Seems like he's said just enough to not get mod-killed, then tried to drop off the radar. Good catch on your part, Azath.

Thanks. Ironically, this started as a list/grudge vote about mafia 84 the newb game, where I revealed as lover with twelve as he was lynched, and gusty convinced me he was town, the NKd me and convinced ansible that HO was the last scum. But looking at his posts now, yeah, I think my vote will stay where it is for a while

And here he is suspecting Gnaw.

Azathmaster, on 03 December 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Hey Gnaw? Are you gonna explain why you dropped your vote on HO? Or just trying to get lynched?

This looks a bit dodgy - the drive-by, middle-of-the-train vote on Venge.

Azathmaster, on 04 December 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Dropping by, I need to get to lunch, but with only 4 votes on Vengy I'll add mine. I think his lynch is good either way. If hes inno we get a few targets to look at, if scum, its a great lynch.

Vote Vengy

And others did notice - although this was also based on Gust doing a case painting Azath as a killer.

Azathmaster, on 05 December 2012 - 03:41 AM, said:

Back, finally. I see I'm a scum suspect now. The entire case is pretty much my drive by vote on venge and that im being "nervous."

Is there anyone who didn't paint Blend as a symp?! Could be argued he's doing it on purpose to protect Blend, but then so many others did the same...

Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 04:02 AM, said:

I just want to quickly point out about my case:
Since most of your case rests on Blends sympage of me and Khell, and the "slip" where he says he's waiting for me and Khell to decide where to vote, it's possible that Blend is a symp, but is fake-symping Khell and I in order to bring suspicion away from their masters. Who was under pressure day 1? Venge and HO and EM and Gnaw. Venge is dead and Inno, Gnaw "hasn't done anything suspicious day 2" as you said. That leaves EM and HO. They warrant a closer look if we're going to explore all avenues today, whether one, both, or neither are killers.

But here's a bit of a defence of Blend - although I have to admit that I think I said something along similar lines myself.

Azathmaster, on 06 December 2012 - 04:26 AM, said:

I guess when he explains why he did that we'll have a better understanding of the connections that make up the case.

Another possibility, is that iirc, Khell and I were the only two players without a vote down at all, and so maybe blend thought no one else would change votes and wanted to see where the undecided players stood and how the numbers would go before voting.

Lastly, why are you interested in me because I haven't gotten any votes yet? Khell I understand because he always has a vote or two on him, but I've rarely had votes on me in any game

Now here is Azath discussing the pictures. Notice he doesn't dismiss them out of hand - indeed he believes they're a genuine, and possibly helpful, ability.

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

...But then he also says it could just be scum

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

Explains the decision to find Gust - and points out his past experiences, which gels with the earlier posts.

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

On break right now, classes in 10 mins. I see multiple people want to know why I found Gusty. First off, I wanted to be sure he wasn't scum, because Gusty seems most like a towny when scum. He was being, even though targetting me, very constructive and helpful to town. That is when, due to multiple past experiences, i am most suspicious of him.
And I didn't see his NK coming either, and figured that knowing he was inno would give me a completely CI townie to trust.

Azath's last post. Could be argued that with his final breath he tries to make Tats look more inno - deliberate in order to discredit the pictures of Tats and the real finder ability? Or simply, as he says, because Tats didn't vote for him.

Azathmaster, on 10 December 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Let me put this forward. Just believe, even if you don't, I am a finder (I am). If you lynch me today, who will the killers likely kill? Tats or Gnaw. Gnaw will become VPI, and Tats' reluctance to cote me today has made some people say that he will be inno if I am. I'd bet the killer(s) kill gnaw. Town will have lost a finder and a PI in one cycle if I'm lynched.

If I'm scum (hypothetically), lynching me will either win the game, or kill half the pair. I'd bet on a killer pair, as a finder could end the game day 2 with a lucky find if only 1 killer. You'd be halfway finished, and would have some leads yes, but even if I was a killer. Lynching me tomorrow instead would make you lose only a single extra townie and still have a good majority, and would let you take a chance this lynch without huge repurcussions later in the game.

I've got to say, one of the main argumens against Azath was the seemingly weird find decisions. But, in retrospect, for Azath, they are not weird. It really seems to strengthen his case as a true finder.


And a game where we have a true, normal, finder and a 'fake' finder is something I can totally see.


I still have to have another look at Bubba's posts, but this appears to strengthen the case for Azath, and against Bubba, and therefore makes Tats look that bit more inno.

[Khellendros]

Starling, on 11 December 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Ok, since we have time, I'm going to finish the re-read I started last night, before the forum crashed on me. It will probably be a few hours before I can finish it and post my thoughts.

But for now, something more for you guys to chew over. I'm inno, one half of a lover pair. I had the supreme bad luck, in an altless game, of being paired with Venge, and you bastards lynched him. EM picked it up day two, and I think it was HO who accused me of defending Venge day one, and I was. Brujah's reference to someone mourning more over the deaths than the others was a reference to me.

Usually I hate reveals, but I'm hoping this will sway you just a little bit. It would be a mistake to vote for me today, that would hand the game to scum.

I was wondering if someone would reveal this. Although I thought the scene intimated that KL was part of the lover pair, not Venge.

Do you have any proof? Any embedded message in your posts?

[Khellendros]

Path-Shaper, on 04 December 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Thirteen shipwrecked survivors had carved out a nice living for themselves along the shoreline of this deserted island. They had pretty much all they needed to live semi-comfortably, and despite their obvious plight of being lost, things weren't so bad for the motley crew.

Of course, blood and broken bones tend to shatter even the strongest of bonds.

Of late, the group had heard whisperings in the darkest of the night. Something, or someone was no longer happy with the small society they'd worked so hard to build from wood and sand. Something evil had slowly crept into the peace they shared. And with it came the paranoia.

The previous day, the more outspoken of the group began pointing fingers, insisting that there was something wrong, and that it could only be that one or more of the survivors were no longer whom they seemed.

After much bickering and curses that would make the saltiest sailor flinch, they all fell upon the one most agreed to be the harbinger of whatever malice had infiltrated their small group.

His body swings from a tree, dead skin beaded by the salty mist that blows from across the choppy sea to wash over the island in a cool breeze.

They knew that night that they'd chosen wrongly. The evil could still be felt just as strong as before. Whispers in the dark still sent chills across their exposed skin. Once again, they knew one or more of them were still amongst them. They just felt it. And when they woke with the rising of the sun, and the squalling of gulls flying above, they no longer relied on 'feelings.' Another of them was dead.

Today they gathered in small clumps. A few here. Some there. None knew who to trust.

Besides a newly killed body, they had all seen a strange picture scratched into the sand near the fresh drinking water, as if it was placed somewhere it wouldn't go unnoticed. One by one, or some in groups, all wondered at its meaning.

Why had someone drawn what looked to be the likeness of one of the members of the group, and done so during the night.

Eventually they all felt they had more important things to worry about, and as water was drawn from the spring, the picture was scratched away by feet passing to and fro.

Today was indeed different. There was a killer or killers among the 'tribe.' They all set about doing their normal tasks that offered surviving of being stranded on this island.

One of them had begun digging holes in various parts of the sand. Whatever they were hoping to find, no one knew. Maybe it was just a way to pass the time.

One of the stranded seemed far more upset at the death that occurred that night. Was it a sensitivity to that sort of thing in general, or was it something more. There had obviously been a closer bond between that saddened face, and the murdered friend than they'd known.

One peculiar individual went into the forest and felled a thin sapling, and with a large clam shell he'd sharpened on the rocks, began to whittle away at the tip of the lengthy shaft of wood until it was Sharp enough to skewer a boar. Or a person.

The sun rose to a point not yet half way up the sky. It was still early on the second day after the strange events had changed the dynamics of this once peaceful group of survivors.

Survivors. That was still to be seen.

-Brujah

This is the scene.


Notice the bolded bit. Killed that NIGHT. MURDERED. Both these things point to KL, not Venge.

[Starling]

Khellendros, on 11 December 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Starling, on 11 December 2012 - 10:50 PM, said:

Ok, since we have time, I'm going to finish the re-read I started last night, before the forum crashed on me. It will probably be a few hours before I can finish it and post my thoughts.

But for now, something more for you guys to chew over. I'm inno, one half of a lover pair. I had the supreme bad luck, in an altless game, of being paired with Venge, and you bastards lynched him. EM picked it up day two, and I think it was HO who accused me of defending Venge day one, and I was. Brujah's reference to someone mourning more over the deaths than the others was a reference to me.

Usually I hate reveals, but I'm hoping this will sway you just a little bit. It would be a mistake to vote for me today, that would hand the game to scum.

I was wondering if someone would reveal this. Although I thought the scene intimated that KL was part of the lover pair, not Venge.

Do you have any proof? Any embedded message in your posts?

I can see your point with the wording, but in that case Brujah has screwed me over. We didn't have time for embedding messages, because of our different time zones we barely had much of a chance for conversation, let alone any thoughts of embedding. It actually never occurred to me (I've never played a lover before). All I really got before Venge was lynched was a prediction from him that either he or you would be NKed night one.

[Khellendros]

Neither can I find any messages in Venge's, KL's, Gnaw's, or Gust's (the latter two possible other lover partners who didn't reveal before they died).

You amateurs whichever ones you are

HO/Tattersail - give me your views. That also means you, HO.

[Starling]

Just had a thought, we didn't get a picture in the latest resolution. Any thoughts?

I'm wondering if this gives more credibility to Bubba's reveal. But if that were the case, why would he not answer our questions?

[Khellendros]

Starling, on 12 December 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

Just had a thought, we didn't get a picture in the latest resolution. Any thoughts?

I'm wondering if this gives more credibility to Bubba's reveal. But if that were the case, why would he not answer our questions?

I went over that already.

The issue isn't whether Bubba did the pictures - he did - but whether they were true or not. That is, was it a finder or a symp ability.

[HiddenOne]

Not convinced by Starling reveal
She seems sincere but timing too convenient plus no proof - would have been more believable days ago imo

[Khellendros]

And, finally, let's look at Bubba again:

Doesn't seem to have qualms about voting HO. This is only relevant if we assume Bubba is a symp, as it might inno both Tats and HO.

Bubba, on 04 December 2012 - 10:45 AM, said:

I will swap over to the HO train if everyone bails on the Venge train, or if my vote is needed to get the lynch. I have no history of HO so it's hard for me to guess at his playing style.

Drawing attention to the pictures and Tats - but then no mention of Tats for quite some time after this.

Bubba, on 05 December 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

I'm sorry Venge. I thought you we playing way to nice.

I have three of the clues from the expanded morning scene figured out.

But I cant for the life of me figure out what the drawing of Tatts by the well is supposed to mean. Anybody?

Again pretending to guess at the pictures. It's clear that Bubba is trying to hide the fact that he's the one doing them. But for what purpose?

Bubba, on 06 December 2012 - 09:45 PM, said:

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. He's not a home owner?

I think the scum want us to dis-trust and lynch Gnaw or Az, That's the only reason I can see one of them not getting NKed last night.

I would like some answers from Az, like, did you find any scum last night?


And to answer Gnaw. I was looking at the post count and noticed he hadn't posted. So piss off.

If you want people to look at a quoted post....how about this one of yours

Quote

Now, back to killing people.

Identifies Azath, Tats and Gnaw as his targets - basically the 'finder', findee, and his picture person. Gunning for the main threats to scum, or really believing what he's saying?

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:24 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:06 AM, said:

Gnaw, on 07 December 2012 - 03:50 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 03:26 AM, said:

Comparing an old role to ideas of a new role help me to organize my thoughts about it. Its just a habit i guess.

Care to share those thoughts?
If I need to remind you, you did put us at the top of the "suspicious" list by not getting NK'd last night.

My thoughts are that the role is likely to be an information role (maybe a tracker? Or watcher?) and can see if someone performed an NA, but can only post about it in pics in resolution.
On being on suspicion list: some people may find you or me suspicious because we havent been NK'd, but others have noticed that scum may have purposefully not killed either of us so town would think that we were scum, which reinforces the fact that we are town. So its kinda WIFOM.

The problem I have with that is there is now some sort of other finder revealing stuff. Your finds now look kinda scumy, and with you doing a find on GH just as he gets NKed. Doesn't look good.

I just don't know who should get voted on first. You, Gnaw, or Tatts.

I will wait to hear from the of the people before placing a vote.

Again looking to throw doubt on his own pictures - is all this to be used as evidence in case the pictures are discovered as false that it wasn't him? Or trying to hide that he's a town finder?

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 04:55 AM, said:

Azathmaster, on 07 December 2012 - 04:43 AM, said:

The pictures could also just be scum fucking with us.

This could be true also.

An interesting post - he is pretty non-commital in his response to Blend. It's not all really about playing style, but what has been said on thread. Doesn't address that.

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 06:46 AM, said:

Quote

Hey Bubba, got anything to say about anyone else? Like your partner Blend for instance?

Well Shin, I have been gone from Mafia so long that most of the players in this game are unknown to me. I thought I had a read on Venge playing nice, ended up with a Inno lynch. So I have been trying to watch for just mistakes or good evidence before posting.

I didn't think we had scum yesterday so I didn't vote. I went on "Gut" before, didn't work out for Venge. Blend? as with the rest ..... No idea what to look for as far as their playing style.....so no clue.

Now this is where he finally starts pushing for Tats, long after the first picture and his tentative feelers.

Bubba, on 07 December 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Bullshit. I am voting for Azath because I DON'T think he is a finder. The only person i will swap my vote to Tatt's. His play over the last 24hs has been pushing to say the least. I was willing to with pics being some sort of scum tactic, but now i'm not so sure

This is perhaps Bubba's dodgiest post. Deliberately misinterpreting what Tats says in order to put more pressure on him, perhaps before the planned "big reveal"?

And I particularly found it interesting that he labels Tattersail as a symp here. Presumably, his find if real would have shown him that Tattersail was a killer. Does he think that labelling Tats as a symp will sound more convincing to us? This is quite iffy. Why not just say he thinks Tats is Azath's killer partner?

Bubba, on 09 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 09 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Starling I have a problem voting Azath today. I will not tomorrow it depends on who he finds tonight and the outcome.

How dodgy does it look that both Blend and Bubba are voting Azath when multiple people find them at least a little bit scummy.

Fair enough you think I'm scummy and you've.thought that since day one, that's fine. All I can do is make my thoughts known.

I think Blend is a symp or killer and Bubba is symp or killer leaving another symp or killer out there. From your comments above you suggest that you could be a killer but I will go on thinking that it would.be bad etiquette for a killer to play that way, by showing disinterest you get overlooked and that is why HO was frowned upon a few games back.

Shin or Khell is my bet for the other killer.

I'm happy to vote either of the ones I mentioned. Not so much on azath yet. Not starling gnaw or HO.

It does not make sense to do otherwise. Assuming two killers AND Azath IS one then well know more about him tomorrow. There is still another one out there.

I think Gust Hubbs death points fingers towards Azath and I think they (the killers) are setting us up.

This is your scummiest comment to date. How the fuck could the killers know who Azath was doing a find on?

Tatts, that comment pins you as the symp in my mind. You will do anything to protect your master.

And here's the big reveal. Now here's one thing I didn't notice before and apparently no one else has either. Read that second line again. Bubba says: I have been getting a find in EVERY OTHER NIGHT. Not every night. Every other night.

The other thing is the reversal of Tats and Azath's supposed roles now that Azath is dead.

Bubba, on 11 December 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

Well that is game if you guys play it right.

First off let me say DO vote me off today. It is the only way you will see I'm telling the truth.

First off, I am the real finder. I have been getting a find in every other night. The Pics have been me.

I tried to show you all that Tatts was one of the killers, but their symp jumped to the rescue with his counter reveal.

So I played it safe, waiting for the other killer to make an appearance. Great job shin.

Now that all are revealed. I have no problem giving up this info.

Great game everyone.

So why would Bubba say every other night? In case people asked him who were his finds and he only had to name Tattersail and one other? Or does that extra detail make his reveal sound more credible?